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Fresh data from IDC shows that Samsung surpassed Apple in collective PC, portable PC, tablet and smartphone shipments for 2012, with the Korean outfit moving 250 million devices over the 12 month period.

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Overall, the segment, which IDC calls "smart connected devices," reached shipments of 367.7 million units in the last quarter of 2012, up 28.3 percent from one year ago. For the entire year, the firm's Worldwide Quarterly Smart Connected Device Tracker saw manufacturers ship a staggering 1.2 billion devices, a 29.1 percent uptick from 2011.

Chart: Worldwide Smart Connected Device Market Share by Product Category, 2010-2012Description: IDC's Smart Connected Device Tracker looks at a holistic view of PCs, tablets, and smartphone, to help further analyze the shifting trends between product categories. The research program covers over 50 countries in detail, and provides quarter market sizing, vendor analysis, and forecasting across all product groups in a combined view. For further information contact Kathy Nagamine at knagamine@idc.com.Tags: Author: IDCcharts powered by iCharts


Driving the shift toward the so-called smart connected devices were Apple and Samsung, which combined took a 41.3 percent share of the market in the December quarter. While Apple was the previous number one vendor, taking a large portion of smartphone sales and being largely uncontested in the tablet arena, Samsung edged out the Cupertino, Calif., company by a little over 3 million shipped units for the last quarter of 2012.

Samsung took 21.2 percent of the smart connected device market on shipments of 77.9 million, up 86 percent from the year ago quarter. By comparison, Apple's marketshare grew by 29.7 percent over the same period to hit 20.3 percent of the market on shipments of 74.8 million units.

"The fourth quarter market share numbers showed a fairly dramatic resurgence for Apple," said Bob O'Donnell, IDC vice president of the Clients and Displays program. "After falling well behind Samsung early in 2012, Apple came roaring back in final quarter of the year thanks to its latest hits ? the iPhone 5 and the iPad Mini ? and reduced the market share gap to less than a single percentage point. The question moving forward will be whether or not Apple can maintain its hit parade against the juggernaut of Samsung."

Coming in a distant third was Lenovo, which managed to net 6.6 percent of the market after shipping 24.3 million devices, a year-over-year change of 47.2 percent. HP and Sony rounded out the top five with unit shipments of 15.1 million and 11.1 million, representing 4.1 percent and 3 percent of the market, respectively.

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For the year, Samsung shipped 250 million units, representing a 119.3 percent year-to-year increase that was fueled in large part by the company's popular smartphone lineup. The iPad's dominance helped Apple stay close in overall numbers as the tablet market enjoyed a growth rate of 78.4 percent, the highest of any smart connected device.

The metrics tell only half the story, however, as shipment values went unreported. In December, IDC found that for the third quarter of 2012, Samsung lead in device volumes, but Apple's high-value products raked in the most cash. At the time, Apple trailed Samsung in quarterly market share by 6.7 percent, compared to the last quarter's 1.9 percent gap.
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Unfortunately, they never define 'smart connected devices'. If Samsung shipped 78 M of these devices, they're including everything that connects to the Internet-including feature phones.

(Of course, we'll get the usual whining that Android isn't used on feature phones - even though I provided over half a dozen examples with just a few minutes searching last time the question came up).
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"The question moving forward will be whether or not Apple can maintain its hit parade against the juggernaut of Samsung."

 

Conversely whether Samsung can maintain it's hit parade of high end devices against the juggernaut of Apple and make a decent return on the low end devices which form the majority of their sales, just ask Nokia where that road leads.

 

But what the hey, the author of the report had to throw in this fashionable statement denigrating Apple.

 
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(Of course, we'll get the usual whining that Android isn't used on feature phones - even though I provided over half a dozen examples with just a few minutes searching last time the question came up).

 

Technically any Android phone is a "smartphone" just like the Symbian phones they are replacing, the devil in the detail is whether they are being used as such.

 
Going on usage studies, a lot of them aren't.

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shipped vs activation

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Unfortunately, they never define 'smart connected devices'. 

 

IDC's website defined the devices as "Desktop PCs, portable PCs, tablets, and smartphones".    That was even mentioned in the first sentence of the thread article.

 

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If Samsung shipped 78 M of these devices, they're including everything that connects to the Internet-including feature phones.

 

After looking up shipments for 4Q 2012, we easily calculate that 78 million meant ~64 million smartphones plus ~ 14 million of the other connected devices... not much.

 

If IDC had included feature phones, Samsung's total would've been closer to 125 million.

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IDC have clearly not included the iPod Touch in their figures for Apple.
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If IDC had included feature phones, Samsung's total would've been closer to 125 million.

 

So tell us about these 47 million "feature phones", what OS are they running?

 

Perhaps you are confused with dumb phones, such as this.

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Apple has never even tried to be #1 in market share, and when you think about it, it's pretty incredible that Apple sells as much as they do, since their products are not priced at bargain basement prices, like almost everybody else.

 

It's not hard to design Android phones, anybody with minimal talent could probably come up with a top selling Android phone design in five minutes. Just make the screen bigger than whatever is already out there, that's step number one. Don't worry if it's too big to hold or to use, or if the device won't fit in any normal person's pocket, just do it, don't sweat it. You also don't have to worry about the OS, since that is free, and provided by Google. When you choose your other parts, remember, numbers are the most important thing, and not the overall performance of your device, just go with whatever chips have big sounding numbers that will impress Fandroids who know nothing about specs and very little about tech in general.

 

As for the hardware design, most phones now are just a display that you hold in your hand, so keep it simple, take some inspiration (or a lot) from Apple, and there's your new Android phone. Have it come in both black and white of course, so that Fandroids and other jealous people will be able to emulate Apple owners, and these people can pretend that they have a brand new iPhone, and maybe they'll even be able to fool a few of their friends from a distance of at least 10 meters away.

 

And last but not least, price your device pretty damn cheap, remember who your customer base is. This group includes people who have recently filed for bankruptcy, people on welfare who have 13 kids, people who don't really care about tech, people who are just looking to replace their 10 year old feature phone and the most important group of all, people in "developing" countries whose yearly tech budget is less than 7 dollars.

 

I also take exception to the term smart connected device, as time and time again, the evidence has shown that nobody knows what the hell Fandroids are doing with their supposed "smart" devices, since they are so severely underrepresented on web stats. Something doesn't add up.


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Unfortunately, they never define 'smart connected devices'. If Samsung shipped 78 M of these devices, they're including everything that connects to the Internet-including feature phones.

(Of course, we'll get the usual whining that Android isn't used on feature phones - even though I provided over half a dozen examples with just a few minutes searching last time the question came up).

 

The first sentence in the article gives what the definition of "smart connected devices" is.

 

This just tells me that you fail to read the article. Not only that, you also made up your opinion even before you read the details.

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I love these things. IDC and many of the other "reports" are paid PR. Pay and they'll make you look good with their numbers.

 

I take all these reports with a grain of salt since most companies don't release their numbers. Why is Apple one of the few companies being semi-transparent? Most others don't release their definitive numbers. 

 

At least Nokia seems to be playing on the same disclosure field. 

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Samsung shareholders had a banner year in 2012. Apple was a major fail for shareholders in 2012. Samsung is seen as a company having a future. Apple is seen as a company having no future. Whatever numbers are being made up by Samsung is paying off in gold. Apple's numbers, on the other hand, are pretty much perceived headed for oblivion. Maybe Apple better start putting out some fabricated PR reports for investors to get excited about. Apple's actual numbers don't impress anyone that matters. In fact, Apple should stop reporting sales numbers altogether. Let Wall Street and the news media continue to make up its own numbers for Apple.
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Samsun isn't a major player in the PC or portable PC market. Samsung isn't remotely close to Apple in tablets sales. Samsung may sell many cheap feature phones but those aren't smartphone? I question the accuracy and validity of this articles conclusions.

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(Of course, we'll get the usual whining that Android isn't used on feature phones - even though I provided over half a dozen examples with just a few minutes searching last time the question came up).

Are those the examples you were told they weren't running android and you wouldn't listen?
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Technically any Android phone is a "smartphone" just like the Symbian phones they are replacing, the devil in the detail is whether they are being used as such.
 
Going on usage studies, a lot of them aren't.

So Macbooks that never leave the desk they are placed on shouldn't be included in notebook/laptop sales?
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 Apple's numbers, on the other hand, are pretty much perceived headed for oblivion. 

 

Yeah, because Apple moving 151 million units in 2011 and 218 million units in 2012 clearly means that Apple is selling less, since 151 million is greater than 218 million. At this horrific rate of decline, I fully expect Apple to only ship 2 million units in 2013. 

 

The fact is that Apple is growing and selling significantly more every year. Samsung sells more junk and makes less money, hurry up, somebody give them a medal. 

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Do I understand this correctly? Apple has more units shipped, yet they have 0.9% less market share for 4Q12. Then people wonder if Apple can compete with the 'juggernaut' Shamsung when they are basically neck and neck with them now with much less product offerings (at least right now…). I don't know why I continue to read these b.s. articles. Everyday someone else is saying something to contradict what some other idiot said the day before.
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Samsung leads in 3 key metrics:

Shipments
Returns
Warehousing

Apple leads in a different 3:

Unit sales
Actual customer usage
Profits

Of course, this is all educated guesswork since Apple reports very little data and Samsung reports even less.
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As always we're seeing "Shipped" not "sold"

For all we know those devices are sitting in BestBuy's warehouses unsold.

I can't believe how oblivious some people seem to be when you follow the money.

AT&T and Verizon push Android phones because they can make more money on it
BestBuy and third party stores also push Android because they can make more money on it, no matter what BS tell the customer. This has been going on ever since mobile phones went digital. The third party stores push whatever makes more short term money to them, even if the product is total garbage.

Here's why I won't buy an Android device
- Java/Dalvik (and the lawsuits)
- Fragmentation
- No updates from carriers or manufacturers*

*This is more important. We told people to stop using MSIE because of poor updating practices, Android's become the next MSIE of smartphones.

Meanwhile Apple supports their devices even when they no longer sell them. The average apple device lasts well past the point of supporting it (how many people still have PPC Mac's in their basement?) Very few PC's do that. So for this reason Apple has synonymous with quality.

Meanwhile HP is synonymous with extremely poor build quality, the average device barely lasts longer than it's warranty period. What about Samsung? I can tell you from experience that their Cell phone build quality has always been poor, and they have a perception of being poor (with only LG being worse) when it comes to cheap phones. Call AT&T or Verizon and speak with the Warranty Exchange department and just casually ask which devices get exchanged the most often. It often correlates with whichever device is cheapest.
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IDC have clearly not included the iPod Touch in their figures for Apple.

In their most recent financial call, Apple said they sold more than 75 million iOS devices and 4.1 million Macs. So yes, IDC has left out the iPod touch, which would put Apple ahead.
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Investors fear Apple.

Investors feel greedy about Samsung.

Only changes in market share, earnings per share, or truly wild gossip can change that.
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"Smart connected device" is so not a real category.

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"Smart connected device" is so not a real category.

 

How else would they be able to include Samsung TV's?

 

 

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(Of course, we'll get the usual whining that Android isn't used on feature phones - even though I provided over half a dozen examples with just a few minutes searching last time the question came up).

 

No, you didn't. You found one device that was replacing a feature phone and that never got released.

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Conversely whether Samsung can maintain it's hit parade of high end devices against the juggernaut of Apple and make a decent return on the low end devices which form the majority of their sales, just ask Nokia where that road leads.

 

Of course, Samsung are clearly doomed!

 

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Samsung Electronics Co reported a record quarterly profit of $8.3 billion and kept its 2013 investment plans at the previous year's level, defying expectations that it may reduce spending amid weaker demand for computer chips.

The South Korean firm said October-December operating profit increased 89 percent from a year ago to 8.84 trillion korean won ($8.3 billion), in line with its earlier estimate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/samsung-earnings-idUSS6E8H100T20130124

 

Of course being AI, we now have to point out the obvious that it was probably just 'shipped' profit versus Apple's superior 'sales' profit.

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Samsung shareholders had a banner year in 2012. Apple was a major fail for shareholders in 2012. Samsung is seen as a company having a future. Apple is seen as a company having no future. Whatever numbers are being made up by Samsung is paying off in gold. Apple's numbers, on the other hand, are pretty much perceived headed for oblivion. Maybe Apple better start putting out some fabricated PR reports for investors to get excited about. Apple's actual numbers don't impress anyone that matters. In fact, Apple should stop reporting sales numbers altogether. Let Wall Street and the news media continue to make up its own numbers for Apple.

This is where you are wrong. You and others like you don't matter. The ones that like Apple, love their products and buy them as long as they are the best, matter. That's us, not you and others like you.

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(Of course, we'll get the usual whining that Android isn't used on feature phones - even though I provided over half a dozen examples with just a few minutes searching last time the question came up).

Bull....

You provided no examples of an Android feature phone being sold today.  You found one that ran Brew as the OS. You found another using Symbian. You found a rumor of an upcoming Samsung feature phone line that you hoped would be using Android, but as it turns out will apparently be using Tizen according to a recent press release. IF there is an Android feature phone out there somewhere the evidence for one certainly didn't come from you. 

 

Why you would even write such a thing today already knowing you weren't telling the truth is beyond me. It was proven to you weeks ago that you were mistaken. Today's post isn't a mistake anymore, nor even a simple difference of opinion. You think it's proper to fib about what you dug up. You'd have been better off never bringing it up again.  Geez...

 

Here's the links for those that wonder how truthful you are. They're your answers from the "last time the question came up".

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/155756/apples-ios-mobile-web-share-calls-into-question-reports-touting-android-sales-supremacy/40#post_2270277

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/155756/apples-ios-mobile-web-share-calls-into-question-reports-touting-android-sales-supremacy/40#post_2270299

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/155756/apples-ios-mobile-web-share-calls-into-question-reports-touting-android-sales-supremacy/120#post_2270865. 

 

Now back to the topic. My apologies to the other posters for the distraction. Speaking to this article, it doesn't really serve to prove much of anything IMO. It seems more like a creative way to group a set of select data points to form a nice link-bait article.  


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Shipments does not equal SALES

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And tomorrow it's Apple. And the day after it's Samsung again. And the day after that they're tied. Yeah, yeah, we get the point; give it a rest.
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... Why you would even write such a thing today already knowing you weren't telling the truth is beyond me. ...

 

Pretty ironic stuff from GG.

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Conversely whether Samsung can maintain it's hit parade of high end devices against the juggernaut of Apple and make a decent return on the low end devices which form the majority of their sales, just ask Nokia where that road leads.

But what the hey, the author of the report had to throw in this fashionable statement denigrating Apple.
 

Technically any Android phone is a "smartphone" just like the Symbian phones they are replacing, the devil in the detail is whether they are being used as such.
 
Going on usage studies, a lot of them aren't.

No, some Android phones are feature phones - as I've shown repeatedly. See below. Typically, the dividing line is if it doesn't run Android Market, it's not considered a smartphone, although different manufacturers may define it differently.
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IDC's website defined the devices as "Desktop PCs, portable PCs, tablets, and smartphones".    That was even mentioned in the first sentence of the thread article.
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The first sentence in the article gives what the definition of "smart connected devices" is.

This just tells me that you fail to read the article. Not only that, you also made up your opinion even before you read the details.

No, it tells me that your reading comprehension matches a second grader. They stated that it included smartphones - but never defined smartphones. There are plenty of examples where different analysts get vastly different numbers simply by defining 'smartphone' differently.
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Are those the examples you were told they weren't running android and you wouldn't listen?
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No, you didn't. You found one device that was replacing a feature phone and that never got released.

Wrong. There was one that was listed as an Android phone but turned out not to be. However, after that, I provided at least a half dozen examples of Android phones that were defined as the manufacturer as being feature phones. I guess I'm condemned to do this for all eternity because the Android shills will keep denying it:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400017,00.asp
"The ZTE Chorus ($49.99) is just weird. It's based on Android, but it's not a smartphone."

http://www.cellaz.com/news/6578/huawei-ascend-android-feature-phone-now-available-on-metropcs/
"The Huawei Ascend a new Android 2.1 powered feature phone "

http://betanews.com/2011/08/22/sony-ericsson-keeps-feature-phones-alive-with-android-walkman-line/
"Sony Ericsson keeps 'feature phones' alive with Android Walkman line"

That alone should be enough to shut up the naysayers (but, of course, they'll keep denying).
There are, in addition, many, many articles that establish that Android can easily be used in a feature phone:

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/leap-plans-android-feature-phone-wait-what/2011-10-12
"Garcia, Leap's senior director of business and product management, said the carrier plans to use Android as the platform to power its forthcoming feature phone but will strip away much of what makes Android a smartphone platform"

http://pocketnow.com/android/lg-adds-android-os-to-env-touch-feature-phone-follow-up

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-rex-156218/
"Samsung has just done something they haven’t done in what feels like a century or two, they’ve announced a new family of feature phones....Oh right, the recently announced Galaxy Fame, which is in fact an Android phone."

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Which ever way you slide and dice it you have to admire the South Korean success story. Every other car on the road seems to be from Korea in our town these days and gone is the stigma attached to them as cheap rubbish. It is no wonder Japan is feeling the pinch. I wonder how long can the S. Korean success last and which Asian country will be next?
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Which ever way you slide and dice it you have to admire the South Korean success story. Every other car on the road seems to be from Korea in our town these days and gone is the stigma attached to them as cheap rubbish. It is no wonder Japan is feeling the pinch. I wonder how long can the S. Korean success last and which Asian country will be next?

I'm guessing Vietnam.
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I really wish you would take the extra couple minutes in your post and tell us how you really feel :P 

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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400017,00.asp
"The ZTE Chorus ($49.99) is just weird. It's based on Android, but it's not a smartphone."
--Me: The reason your "link" couldn't figure out what version of Android it was running is because it's not running Android. It's a proprietary ZTE OS, perhaps based on open-source Android code, tho I think ZTE would claim it isn't taken from Android.  http://www.gsmarc.com/model-finder/zte/operating-system/proprietary-os/ 
 
--Me: Congrats on finding an obscure site with a one-sentence description of the Ascend, and referring to it as a feature phone.  Altho it's long discontinued and no other source refers to it as a feature phone I'll even give you half-a-point for making an attempt. It's the closest you've come yet.  http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2886

http://betanews.com/2011/08/22/sony-ericsson-keeps-feature-phones-alive-with-android-walkman-line/
"Sony Ericsson keeps 'feature phones' alive with Android Walkman line"
--Me: Did you actually read that link? It doesn't refer to the Sony as a feature phone. "Today, the joint venture debuted the Sony Ericsson "Live with Walkman" Android smartphone, another device capitalizing on the music player brand Sony popularized nearly 30 years ago.

The smartphone features a 3.2" touchscreen, a single core 1GHz processor, Android 2.3 (Gingerbread), and a 5 megapixel camera with 720p video capture."


That alone should be enough to shut up the naysayers (but, of course, they'll keep denying).
There are, in addition, many, many articles that establish that Android can easily be used in a feature phone:

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/leap-plans-android-feature-phone-wait-what/2011-10-12
"Garcia, Leap's senior director of business and product management, said the carrier plans to use Android as the platform to power its forthcoming feature phone but will strip away much of what makes Android a smartphone platform" (Me: Yet oddly it never happened)

http://pocketnow.com/android/lg-adds-android-os-to-env-touch-feature-phone-follow-up

--Me:They don't claim the EnV-Touch is a feature phone in that article from three years ago. Instead they're making the point that entry level smartphones can replace feature phones. READ YOUR LINKS!

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-rex-156218/
"Samsung has just done something they haven’t done in what feels like a century or two, they’ve announced a new family of feature phones....Oh right, the recently announced Galaxy Fame, which is in fact an Android phone." 

--Me: The Rex line was officially announced by Samsung a few days ago, using a "Java-based OS" assumed to be Tizen. Further your link doesn't call the Fame a feature phone either. The follow link is in your article. (PLEASE READ YOUR OWN LINKS) http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2013/02/17/samsung-rex/ 

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-young-galaxy-fame-specs-availability-153795/

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/editors/archives/2009/08/poll_google_and.html

 

--Me: Another link to a thread posted years ago (2009)? Of course Android could be used for a feature phone. It's very adaptable. It doesn't mean it IS being used today for a feature phone anymore than iOS is ( strangely discussed in that same thread).

 

Why not drop trying to prove you're right for now instead of trying to dig out of deeper holes that don't speak well for your "Googling" skills. 

 


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A lot of these are just confused journalists. AI's forums make it way too hard to split quotes up so I won't point out every error - just be aware of the accepted definition of a smartphone and notice how you don't link to many mainstream tech websites. However, your last link (above) is the most hilarious. It listed both Android and iOS as feature-phone operating systems. Is this really your proof?

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Samsung shareholders had a banner year in 2012. Apple was a major fail for shareholders in 2012. Samsung is seen as a company having a future. Apple is seen as a company having no future. Whatever numbers are being made up by Samsung is paying off in gold. Apple's numbers, on the other hand, are pretty much perceived headed for oblivion. Maybe Apple better start putting out some fabricated PR reports for investors to get excited about. Apple's actual numbers don't impress anyone that matters. In fact, Apple should stop reporting sales numbers altogether. Let Wall Street and the news media continue to make up its own numbers for Apple.

 

Shareholders? Who cares about people who typically know little about the company they are 'investing' in other than someone telling them to buy their stock? 

 

How can Apple have a fail for the stock when they never try to pump the stock and tell investors constantly that they are not concerned about the stock. Do your DD and you won't be surprised. 

 

"Fabricated PR reports for investors to get excited about" WHY? Apple is buying their stock back, not selling more, so they don't need you buying anything except more product. They have plenty of money so they don't need investors.

 

Get a clue! 

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A lot of these are just confused journalists. AI's forums make it way too hard to split quotes up so I won't point out every error - just be aware of the accepted definition of a smartphone and notice how you don't link to many mainstream tech websites. However, your last link (above) is the most hilarious. It listed both Android and iOS as feature-phone operating systems. Is this really your proof?

It no longer matters at all whether JR is ever able to show that "somewhere out there" is an Android feature-phone. IF there is the number is so infinitesimal it's not worthy of mention as a factor in "smart-device market share" claims (bogus anyway in my view), Android activation numbers or estimated smartphone shipments for Samsung, Moto or anyone else. It's just one of his red herrings.

 

IMHO he needs to change the claim to something not as easily questioned.  Suggestion: "Some Android owners use their phone like a feature phone" might work.

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I think someone else has mentioned this already, but it's worth repeating. The shipped v. sold argument is old. As far as Apple is concerned, Samsung is a force to be reckoned with. Any counter-argument is moot.

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Both Samsung and Apple are doing well in the phone business. Samsung and Apple are not going away in the phone business anytime soon. Both companies have had a successful strategy when it comes to their "connected" business.

 

With that being said, is it so hard for some to believe that the definition of the phone that is included in the article is somewhat hazy making a real comparison difficult? Also different writers have biases both pro and anti Apple as well as pro and anti Android making things more complicated.

 

Personally, I don't like Samsung because I think they cheated their way to their present position. Many people complain about Apple complaining way too much about how Samsung copied this and that from them but now there is a second source, Nokia, saying that this is what Samsung did to them, essentially corroborating what Apple has been saying all along.

 

But no matter what the ethics of the situation, at least for right now, Samsung is doing well. The question is whether they can continue to perform at this high level. Apple has kept it up for going on 6 years now. It will be interesting to see where Samsung will be in 2-3 years, especially if Apple and Nokia take a good part of their component business away from them and they no longer get the first copier advantage away. Or maybe the biggest part of the copier's advantage has already happened and it won't have any effect at all.

 

As always, it will remain interesting.

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I think someone else has mentioned this already, but it's worth repeating. The shipped v. sold argument is old. As far as Apple is concerned, Samsung is a force to be reckoned with. Any counter-argument is moot.

Yup. I said it first and got blasted for it.
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