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Trolling? Im sorry but I dont think I have.

Then make better arguments.
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Then make better arguments.

This is a great place to learn how to do that and I think his replies so far have shown clearly he is open to what others have to say.

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Besides punctuation errors and blatant trolling, no; you haven't done anything wrong.

Thats the spirit !

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This is a great place to learn how to do that and I think his replies so far have shown clearly he is open to what others have to say.

I like to think im open minded

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I don't wish to sound critical but saying that Samsung wouldn't be making any tablets in any size, if it wasn't for the iPad is like saying Audi wouldn't be making cars if it wasn't for Henry Ford. The iPad was not the first tablet.  Anyone remember this:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1381528/Knight-Ridder-tablet-looks-just-like-iPad-17-YEARS-OLD.html

 

This is my first post in a discussion so forgive me if ive done something wrong.

 

It's a rehash of Samsung enthusiast arguments, a variation of the "Apple never invented anything" theme. We went through that when Samsung's attorneys tried to use the Knight-Ridder and 2001: A Space Odyssey concepts during the trial. That's fine if you believe the "Apple never invented anything; Apple just steals ideas and sues everybody" narrative fiction. But if you want to include those concept tablets, then you need to also include Apple's concepts, which go back to the 80s:

 

http://www.designboom.com/technology/hartmut-esslingers-early-apple-computer-and-tablet-designs/

 

What does that prove? That Apple was in fact, thinking about tablets a long time ago. And if you know your history, Apple sold a stylus-controlled tablet called the Newton which was similar in size to the Galaxy Note. There was even a clamshell style tablet (with keyboard) based on the Newton called the eMate 300. To use the Knight-Ridder tablet or the 2001: A Space Odyssey tablets implicate that the iPad was somehow a ripoff of someone else's tablet instead of an evolution of Apple's own experiences designing, building and selling tablets is just a desperate attempt to discredit what Apple has accomplished with the iPad.

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It's a rehash of Samsung enthusiast arguments, a variation of the "Apple never invented anything" theme. We went through that when Samsung's attorneys tried to use the Knight-Ridder and 2001: A Space Odyssey concepts during the trial. That's fine if you believe the "Apple never invented anything; Apple just steals ideas and sues everybody" narrative fiction. But if you want to include those concept tablets, then you need to also include Apple's concepts, which go back to the 80s:

 

http://www.designboom.com/technology/hartmut-esslingers-early-apple-computer-and-tablet-designs/

 

What does that prove? That Apple was in fact, thinking about tablets a long time ago. And if you know your history, Apple sold a stylus-controlled tablet called the Newton which was similar in size to the Galaxy Note. There was even a clamshell style tablet (with keyboard) based on the Newton called the eMate 300. To use the Knight-Ridder tablet or the 2001: A Space Odyssey tablets implicate that the iPad was somehow a ripoff of someone else's tablet instead of an evolution of Apple's own experiences designing, building and selling tablets is just a desperate attempt to discredit what Apple has accomplished with the iPad.

 

Firstly, i am in no way a Samsung enthusiast and second, I didn't say at any point i believed that Apple never invented anything. Just one example...the iPhone totally changed the face of smartphones and revolutionised the way we use mobile phones. If that isn't both invention and innovation I don't know what is.

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post #47 of 165
Finally, competition in the new 8 inch tablet market.

The Note 8.0 has a screen area of 28.8 sq.in. The iPad Mini measures at 29.6 sq.in.

The Note's dimensions are 210.8 x 135.9 x 7.95 mm.
The Mini's dimensions are 200.0 x 134.7 x 7.2 mm.

The Note weighs 338 g. while the Mini weighs 308 g.

So, the Note is bigger and heavier but has a smaller screen, albeit with higher resolution... for now.
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I like to think im open minded

Good then you'll do fine here, just do research before you post.
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I like to think im open minded

So does my great aunt but you should hear how she refers to "minorities" at Thanksgiving dinner.

In all seriousness though, the burden of proof (something you'll see stated here often) is upon you. I think you've shown that already but others will need more convincing.

This is a great forum with amazingly knowledgable posters but any BS is like chumming the water in a school sharks.

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Good then you'll do fine here, just do research before you post.

Or ask. Sometimes it's hard to know how to begin research something.

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I like how they don't even have a mention of this thing on their website.  1oyvey.gif

 

Not only that, their site search is "dumb" so a search for "Galaxy Note 8" yields pages and pages of irrelevant crap just because some document has the word "galaxy" or "note" in it, and none of the titles of their "Galaxy Note" products includes the size so you have to click on three or four different "Galaxy Note" results before you realise it isn't there.  

 

 

 

Apple has a clear, detailed, easy to understand product page about every single product within 20 minutes of it being announced to the world.  They also put the latest products at the top of the first page.  

 

Samsung's right hand doesn't even know what it's left is doing it seems. 

 

Shhhh....  Don't tell them.

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Firstly, i am in no way a Samsung enthusiast and second, I didn't say at any point i believed that Apple never invented anything. Just one example...the iPhone totally changed the face of smartphones and revolutionised the way we use mobile phones. If that isn't both invention and innovation I don't know what is.

I think people get hung up on the word 'invent', I think nobody can reimagine a device like Apple can.
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post #53 of 165
Wow. They need a quad core 1.6 GHz processor with 2 GB of RAM in order to match Apple's performance from a 1 GHz dual core processor with 512 MB?

Is Android really that bad?
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Shaq will like it...
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Wow. They need a quad core 1.6 GHz processor with 2 GB of RAM in order to match Apple's performance from a 1 GHz dual core processor with 512 MB?

Is Android really that bad?

Based on the specs I doubt it will match the performance of the iPad mini with the 2011 A5 processor.

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There are 1 billion smartphone users in the WORLD.  The max ratio of 0.3% would be 3 million buyers.

However, the first Note sold over 10 million, with the Note 2 expected to  top that, by perhaps up to double.

Obviously more than just artists make up the people buying the Note.  For example, there have been news stories about executives using pens to annotate PDFs and then send them to their teams. I've also seen reports of field contractors using them to take notes on construction diagrams.

Personally, I used to use a stylus all the time on my old WinMo smartphones, to draw diagrams and take notes before going to Home Depot to buy materials.   I also used to jot down circuit ideas.  Sometimes it's just easier for anyone to scribble down info, or draw a picture, rather than have to type it in.

Stylus is much more natural than finger. I cannot say for others, but much as I am concerned, I'd always rather scribble with "pen" than finger. Regardless of being or not being an artist.
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Note 8.0


The Note 8.0's distinguishing feature is its S Pen stylus. 

 

 

I would have said the distinguishing feature is the fugly camera optics protruding from the (otherwise flush) back.

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This won't end well...

Yes. A lot of trolls will start jumping up...
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Besides punctuation errors and blatant trolling, no; you haven't done anything wrong.

... and here they go.
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Stylus is much more natural than finger. I cannot say for others, but much as I am concerned, I'd always rather scribble with "pen" than finger. Regardless of being or not being an artist.

So you type on a physical or virtual keyboard with a stylus? You use a trackpad with a stylus? You ring doorbells with a stylus? Are you flicking me off right now with a stylus? You recreate the clay modeling scene in Ghost, not with your hands, but with a stylus? You play piano with a stylus? You touch yourself at night with a stylus?

It's so much more natural than using fingers¡… which are still required to hold a stylus… naturally.
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I would have said the distinguishing feature is the fugly camera optics protruding from the (otherwise flush) back.

I hadn't noticed the protrusion. I wonder if it's included in Samsung's statement of how thick it is.

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I would have said the distinguishing feature is the fugly camera optics protruding from the (otherwise flush) back.

Pretty much requires a case to make the back flush, otherwise it would seem like it could be a bit wobbly when placed on a flat surface. Lots of people use cases on their tablets so it is not necessarily a deal breaker. Longer lenses generally take better pictures than a super short lens which is perhaps why they designed it like that. I think they also use that same protruding design on some of their phones.

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post #63 of 165
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a stylus-enabled Galaxy Note 8.0 that the South Korean conglomerate hopes will finally make inroads in the mini tablet sector that it arguably pioneered years ago.

 

I'm sorry, this is an idiotic statement. You don't "pioneer" an en existing concept at a slightly smaller size. There's nothing pioneerish about that. Also, it's not called pioneering if you don't make a dent in the marketplace, and your product fails. Which Samsung's tablets have done so far. Samsung releases stuff for the sake of releasing- they throw all the half-baked shit they can at the wall, all sizes, hoping something sticks- there's nothing commendable about this, nor is it called pioneering.

 

 

This place seems to give Samsung way, way too much credit in all the language it uses in its articles, as well as sketchy stats. 

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I'm sorry, this is an idiotic statement. You don't "pioneer" an en existing concept at a slightly smaller size. There's nothing pioneerish about that. Also, it's not called pioneering if you don't make a dent in the marketplace, and your product fails. Which Samsung's tablets have done so far. Samsung releases stuff for the sake of releasing- they throw all the shit they can at the wall, all sizes, hoping something sticks- there's nothing commendable about this.  This place seems to give Samsung way, way too much credit in all the language it uses in its articles, as well as sketchy stats. 

I wouldn't call this pioneering in any way but the Galaxy Note product category has sold relatively well. Not Apple sales but impressive numbers for such an expensive Android-based device.

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This place seems to give Samsung way, way too much credit in all the language it uses in its articles, as well as sketchy stats. 

Agreed. Especially the part about sketchy stats.

 

Perhaps somewhat understandable, given all the advertising they get from Samsung......

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I don't wish to sound critical but saying that Samsung wouldn't be making any tablets in any size, if it wasn't for the iPad is like saying Audi wouldn't be making cars if it wasn't for Henry Ford. The iPad was not the first tablet.  Anyone remember this:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1381528/Knight-Ridder-tablet-looks-just-like-iPad-17-YEARS-OLD.html

 

This is my first post in a discussion so forgive me if ive done something wrong.

 

Easier said than done.

Where is the touch interface?  The operating system?  The AppStore, The retina display?

Where is the iCloud ecosystem for audio/video media, FaceTime, Siri, AirPlay, TextBooks, Mapping, NewsPapers and Magazines?

 

Everyone remembers that Microsoft had several thick and heavy stylus based tablets that went nowhere.

,,,because it is easier said than done.

 

You can not compare these things with the iPad.

The iPhone and iPad were the first of their kind as demonstrated by their wild success.

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You guys implying AI is pro-Samsung? There's a spy among us!
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I would have said the distinguishing feature is the fugly camera optics protruding from the (otherwise flush) back.

I call it a camera nipple.

post #69 of 165
Finally an 8 inch tablet that's good. The iPad Mini is dreadful. I wasted $329 on a useless tablet that doesn't even have a stylus. I can't wait to buy this!



THAT'S TROLLING!
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I call it a camera nipple.

It is sort of a weird design. As we know designing an ultra-thin, light mobile device with touch-based OS creates a series of challenges and compromises. Apple makes compromises and so does Samsung. They just choose different areas where they are compromising. Apple puts their camera along the upper edge area utilizing the void so not to conflict with the thickness of the screen thus accommodating the lens depth they need, but the compromise is that it tends to be an awkward place for the lens as the users' fingers often are in the photography frame. Samsung's design although adding more thickness puts the lens nearer the center of the device similar to traditional cameras. The trade off is that you have to live with the less than elegant esthetics.

 

These are conscious design decisions that both companies make weighing the pluses and minuses. 

 

I think the same thing applies to the stylus. Samsung has decided that the overall benefits of the stylus such precision pointing and drawing outweigh the negatives of possibly misplacing the stylus and also providing onboard space to store it.

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I think it is unfair for AT&T and Verizon to subsidize Galaxy Note 2 so much and without subsidize iPad with cellular at all. I don't have good impression of these two carriers.
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This is a great place to learn how to do that and I think his replies so far have shown clearly he is open to what others have to say.

 

The way this place has been the last few years I can't help but jump to the conclusion when seeing a post like the above (apologies to the poster if genuine) is using the "naive troll" persona.

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post #73 of 165
Looks like Samsung had their specs finalized before the iPad mini was launched because they didn't copy the iPad mini's narrow left and right borders. Expect Samsung to copy that in the Galaxy Note 9.

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I hadn't noticed the protrusion. I wonder if it's included in Samsung's statement of how thick it is.

I think this design language from Samsung is hideous but to be fair the back of the new iPod touch isn't flush either (although it doesn't protrude quite as much as this).  I'm actually a bit surprised Apple didn't make it thick enough so the camera would be flush with the back.

 

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Looks like Samsung had their specs finalized before the iPad mini was launched because they didn't copy the iPad mini's narrow left and right borders. Expect Samsung to copy that in the Galaxy Note 9.

Probably not since they need the side bezel area to store the stylus.

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The stylus is useful for some. While artists here and there are using the iPad for "fingerpainting", many of them do wish for a pen. But I am not sure this stylus does the trick because artists prefer a pressure-sensitive pen.

 

Thing is, you can still use a stylus with an iPad, if you really want/need to. Most people don't so Apple doesn't design around the use of one or supply one. This one gets good comments:

 

http://www.studioneat.com/products/cosmonaut

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Everyone is coming out with cheap 7" 16:9 Android tablets.  So far at MWC we've seen new Android tablets from HP, Asus, Acer and Samsung. Not much to differentiate them other than Samsung's S-pen.  And in the phone space it's even worse with new 5" Android phones being announced left and right.

 

Boy I hope Apple knocks it out of the park this year and reminds people what a premium experience can be.  Let all these other companies fight for the crumbs in a race to the bottom.

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They had a ~7" tablet a long time before Apple did.  Granted it was an incredibly crappy tablet, but they had one.  For once, this isn't a case of Samsung copying Apple.

 

When I was 5 years old, I made a time machine out of cardboard boxes and toilet rolls. It didn't work too well, but I'm still gonna claim I invented the time machine once someone else irons out it's flaws.

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Thing is, you can still use a stylus with an iPad, if you really want/need to. Most people don't so Apple doesn't design around the use of one or supply one. This one gets good comments:

 

http://www.studioneat.com/products/cosmonaut

 

Totally different things.

 

The product you referenced is an inactive stylus (stick), which pretends to be a meat finger, and is just as (in)accurate.

 

What Samsung is using is a Wacom digitizer active pen, which is far more accurate in positioning, and has over two hundred pressure levels to boot.

 

There are several third party active pens available for the iPad (for example, the iPen Kickstarter project), but they require interface dongles that plug into the expansion port or headphone jack.  That's why people would like to see Apple build the digitizer technology into the tablet itself.

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They had a ~7" tablet a long time before Apple did.  Granted it was an incredibly crappy tablet, but they had one.  For once, this isn't a case of Samsung copying Apple.

Yeah I guess some could say that the Newton came far before any of these and had a stylist.  I hate them, I had the palm phones with them and hated having to keep track of them.  Never ever again!

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