Samsung unwraps Galaxy Note 8.0 to take on Apple's iPad mini - Page 3

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Originally Posted by LMGS 

Shaq will like it...

No, Shaq is waiting for the 27" model to match the Buick that he wears on each foot.

How Utterly Ridiculous all these claims of Samsung 'copying' Apple into the (near) 8 inch tablet space - Especially since Samsung Created It.

I've owned my Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 for almost 1.5 years now, and know (sans nonsensical fanatical posturing) that my Apple iPad Mini is within small fractions in every, single dimension e.g. height, weight, thickness and screen size.

It would not be unreasonable to deduce that Apple may have used the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 as some sort of benchmark/template for the design of the iPad Mini.

- Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7: 196.7 mm H,  133.0 mm W,  7.9 mm D , Weight 340g

- Apple iPad Mini: 200mm H, 134.7mm W, 7.2 mm D, Weight Wi-Fi: 308g, Wi-Fi + Cellular: 312g

Additionally:

01) The Galaxy Tab 7.7's display is noticeably brighter, more vivid and of a higher resolution than my iPad Mini.

02) In several reviews (in addition to my own ownership experience) both devices typical battery autonomy is within minutes of the other.

03) The Galaxy Tab 7.7 has featured LTE for some 1.2 years whereas Apple has only used LTE in their devices in the last 6 months.

Anyway... They're both excellent (near) 8 inch, aluminum-cased tablets, but it is undeniable that Samsung was the first major manufacturer to enter the (near) 8 inch tablet market (more than a year before Apple), as well as the first to introduce a 7 inch tablet device capable of also making (conventional) cellular telephone calls e.g. the original Samsung Galaxy Tab on 2 September 2010.

So... If anything the iPad Mini was created as Apple's answer to Samsung Galaxy Tab series of tablets.

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Originally Posted by Eriamjh 

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Originally Posted by Dunks 

 

 

I would have said the distinguishing feature is the fugly camera optics protruding from the (otherwise flush) back.

I call it a camera nipple.

I think that it is a nubbin... or a zit.

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Originally Posted by mstone 

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Originally Posted by Eriamjh 

I call it a camera nipple.

It is sort of a weird design. As we know designing an ultra-thin, light mobile device with touch-based OS creates a series of challenges and compromises. Apple makes compromises and so does Samsung. They just choose different areas where they are compromising. Apple puts their camera along the upper edge area utilizing the void so not to conflict with the thickness of the screen thus accommodating the lens depth they need, but the compromise is that it tends to be an awkward place for the lens as the users' fingers often are in the photography frame. Samsung's design although adding more thickness puts the lens nearer the center of the device similar to traditional cameras. The trade off is that you have to live with the less than elegant esthetics.

 

These are conscious design decisions that both companies make weighing the pluses and minuses. 

 

I think the same thing applies to the stylus. Samsung has decided that the overall benefits of the stylus such precision pointing and drawing outweigh the negatives of possibly misplacing the stylus and also providing onboard space to store it.

I agree that the stylus would be beneficial for certain things -- just as Siri and Maps 3D Flyover are useful for certain things.  

I would prefer an iPad with a good stylus and system software -- to an iPad with cell data.

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Originally Posted by nikon133 


... and here they go.

Hmmm....

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Originally Posted by sennen 

 

Thing is, you can still use a stylus with an iPad, if you really want/need to. Most people don't so Apple doesn't design around the use of one or supply one. This one gets good comments:

 

http://www.studioneat.com/products/cosmonaut

Looks good. The price/feature/performance mix of many styli I've researched have been less than impressive.

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Originally Posted by KDarling 

 

Totally different things.

 

The product you referenced is an inactive stylus (stick), which pretends to be a meat finger, and is just as (in)accurate.

 

What Samsung is using is a Wacom digitizer active pen, which is far more accurate in positioning, and has over two hundred pressure levels to boot.

 

There are several third party active pens available for the iPad (for example, the iPen Kickstarter project), but they require interface dongles that plug into the expansion port or headphone jack.  That's why people would like to see Apple build the digitizer technology into the tablet itself.

I realise it's not exactly the same, but it's hardly a large market. Most people who need/prefer them, illustrators, graphic designers etc, have Wacom tablets already. It's a specialised market, and for most people an inactive stylus is fine. It may well come to Apple's products but I can see why it's not a priority.

Samsung released the Galaxy Tab 7" in 2011 and the Tab 2 7" last year. Now, after the release of the iPad mini, they're going back to a larger display. The fact that they had a 7.7" screen tablet (which they made in 2011) before doesn't mean the Galaxy Note 8 is not inspired by the release of the smaller iPad. As others have noted, Apple was not the first to release a smaller tablet but they have increased its mindshare. (This is not to knock the success of the Nexus 7.)

That said, the Galaxy Note family of phones and tablets is, in theory, pretty nifty for those who like to use a stylus. I say "in theory" because the note taking software on them is wretched. Still, many people love them.

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Originally Posted by KDarling 

 

There are 1 billion smartphone users in the WORLD.  The max ratio of 0.3% would be 3 million buyers.

 

However, the first Note sold over 10 million, with the Note 2 expected to  top that, by perhaps up to double.

 

Obviously more than just artists make up the people buying the Note.  For example, there have been news stories about executives using pens to annotate PDFs and then send them to their teams. I've also seen reports of field contractors using them to take notes on construction diagrams.

 

Personally, I used to use a stylus all the time on my old WinMo smartphones, to draw diagrams and take notes before going to Home Depot to buy materials.   I also used to jot down circuit ideas.  Sometimes it's just easier for anyone to scribble down info, or draw a picture, rather than have to type it in.

Shipped or sold, which one is it ?

How do you know how many they sold when even samsung do not divulge numbers ?

I enjoy catching you with your lies.

Show proof, just like Apple does with their SEC filings, if you cannot, then apologie on this forum for sprouting lies.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 


Good then you'll do fine here, just do research before you post.

Just like you right ?

The post about penis sizes was so funny (not). Is this what you call research ?

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

Wow. They need a quad core 1.6 GHz processor with 2 GB of RAM in order to match Apple's performance from a 1 GHz dual core processor with 512 MB?

Is Android really that bad?

It sure is.

A work colleague has an android samsung phone (don't recall the model, but not the GS3).

One day he got an alert for an app that wished to be downloaded, before he could reply no, it went and downloaded itself anyway.

Now, I don't know the full story, as he doesn't appear to be very tech-savy, although he works in IT, so maybe there is an android/samsung feature that allows this.

But if my suspicions are correct, this is incredibly bad.

Any android apologists want to comment ?

An imagined concept and a real functioning device are two different things.  Does Jules Verne get credit for inventing the submarine because he wrote a science fiction novel mentioning the concept?  Imagining a product takes a vision, no doubt but no where near the vision of bringing that concept into reality that people line up to buy.  Bringing that vision into reality is a combination of technology, design, timing and a slew of other factors that have to converge all at once.  No, Samsung would not be making tablets if it were not for the iPad.  Does this mean Apple invented the tablet? No, everyone knows that Windows tablets have been around for decades.  And yet no one bought them, until the iPad.  Everything is compared to the iPad for a reason, they are the standard bearer.  Other tablets are smaller, cheaper, but are still modeled after the iPad running a similar OS.  As ultra books copy the originally criticized MacBook Air, all tablets in their current form are copying the iPad.  Some are a smaller, some have a stylus, but they are still modeled after the iPad.  They weren't first, but they redefined the category.

That's enough on the personal attacks side. If the argument is trollish, it will tear itself apart with logic. No nose picking, penis measuring, or… whatever else it was required. 

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 

TS, those sound like personal attacks by DaHarder to me.

Then you seriously need to check your 'hearing'/reading comprehension if pointing out that someone is TROLLING is considered a 'personal attack', as then you should have been reprimanded/banned years ago, as should some 90% of the hostile/bitter posters in this place who have absolutely no respect for the opinions of others. see: hfts.

So Please... Keep your own 'personal attacks' directed at those who are actually guilty rather than unjustly aiming your inane vitriol at those who are respectfully contributing to the conversation. Thanks

Anyway... Looking forward to all recognizing that the iPad Mini can also make 'calls', just in iOS' case they're FaceTime Calls.

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Originally Posted by sennen 

 

The way this place has been the last few years I can't help but jump to the conclusion when seeing a post like the above (apologies to the poster if genuine) is using the "naive troll" persona.

Ah you've described Soli to a "T". A "naive troll " now!

Soli I kid of course. Amazing how some of us get tagged by other members.

Originally Posted by DaHarder 

Anyway... Looking forward to all recognizing that the iPad Mini can also make 'calls', just in iOS' case they're FaceTime Calls.

So can the iPad. So can my Mac Pro. It's a phone? I realize that hefting around a ghetto blaster that took twelve D batteries was hip in the '80s and early '90s, but a Mac Pro on one shoulder would take the cake. You'd wind up looking like this:

Never mind the UPS you'd have to strap to your fanny pack to keep the thing running. 

"What about the screen?"

Oh, just hook it up to Google Glasses and project it onto those.

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Originally Posted by currentinterest 

Better be priced at least $100 less than the mini if it wants any traction at all. And why no Retina level display? Where is the innovation? Oh yeah, those criticisms are reserved for Apple.

Face it, Apple has become THE target for the tech media. No amount of outrage or argument will change that. The charge is on to take Apple down, the knives are out, the FUD flows like wine. There's no explanation, no reason, no motive. It's just time for Apple to be eviscerated.

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Originally Posted by Bondm16 

Trolling? Im sorry but I dont think I have.

Yes, you are trolling, big time. And you won't last very long if you keep it up.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152839/rules-of-the-troll-wip

You make all the classic straw man arguments, you fit the description perfectly.

lol, DaHarder, Samsung didn't create anything, they made a smaller tablet at that time because that's all they could do to make a cost-effective product.

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Originally Posted by lkrupp 

 

Face it, Apple has become THE target for the tech media. No amount of outrage or argument will change that. The charge is on to take Apple down, the knives are out, the FUD flows like wine. There's no explanation, no reason, no motive. It's just time for Apple to be eviscerated.

No, there is an explanation, a reason, a motive. The news media need narratives to pull in ratings -- or, in today's parlance, page views. It's either about building someone up or tearing them down. Straight news reporting is not clickbait.

At least for the tech blogs I follow, the real "disaster story" now seems to be Windows 8. It's a good narrative, too: the king of enterprise tries to copy Apple's success in the consumer space (particularly mobile) and falls flat. I've yet to see a glowing review of a Windows 8 laptop or tablet.

In the meantime, of course, Apple and Microsoft are still making boatloads of money...

Edited for grammar.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


I didn't quite understand sennen's comment so I didn't respond.

By "naive troll" I meant the kind of person who re-hashes the same tired, long-ago debunked arguments, but then claims to not know any better, and is apologetic when questioned/confronted about it.

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Originally Posted by jragosta 


Interestingly, I just saw a commercial for a Windows 8 phone today. It was clearly targeted at the Galaxy SIII - and even gave the name of the product. It struck me as odd that they'd go after Galaxy and ignore Apple. Probably:

1. They might also have commercials comparing their product to the iPhone and I missed them (I don't watch much TV)
or
2. They think it's easier to take customers away from Samsung than Apple.

You're probably right that it's (at least partly) reason 2, but in that case I think that's a marketing mistake. Tech savvy Android users complain that iOS is feature-poor in comparison to their mobile OS of choice. Just wait till they see WP8. Beautiful exterior (for many) but gimped functionality.

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Originally Posted by iSteelers 

An imagined concept and a real functioning device are two different things.  Does Jules Verne get credit for inventing the submarine because he wrote a science fiction novel mentioning the concept?  Imagining a product takes a vision, no doubt but no where near the vision of bringing that concept into reality that people line up to buy.  Bringing that vision into reality is a combination of technology, design, timing and a slew of other factors that have to converge all at once.  No, Samsung would not be making tablets if it were not for the iPad.  Does this mean Apple invented the tablet? No, everyone knows that Windows tablets have been around for decades.  And yet no one bought them, until the iPad.  Everything is compared to the iPad for a reason, they are the standard bearer.  Other tablets are smaller, cheaper, but are still modeled after the iPad running a similar OS.  As ultra books copy the originally criticized MacBook Air, all tablets in their current form are copying the iPad.  Some are a smaller, some have a stylus, but they are still modeled after the iPad.  They weren't first, but they redefined the category.

I suspect that Sammy can deliver this device... At some price point and at some time..

I also suspect that Apple will more than match this device's capability before, or soon after release...

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


I got that part. What I don't get is how I was acting as such.

Gatorguy's comment? I assume he was just being cheeky. (I was referring to Mr/Mrs/Ms. Bond originally)

This tablet can do true multitasking: side by side apps running at the same time. 

You can not do that in any of the the iOS software. 

Even Microsoft's Windows 8 cant properly run two SAME SIZE windows next to each other like this Samsung can. 

Not only that, you can dynamically adjust the screen sizes for each apps. 

If the Galaxy Note II is any indication, this should also run up to 16 apps AT ONE TIME. 

That is innovation. 

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


I hadn't noticed the protrusion. I wonder if it's included in Samsung's statement of how thick it is.

Samsung hasn't included the extra camera thickness in the past e.g. Galaxy S II.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


When you're tablets apps are just blown up smartphone apps I guess it does make sense to run them at a smartphone size so why not have two at once.

16 apps on the screen at once. What a brilliant idea¡

Since Apple is always regarded as the "brilliant" and "innovative" company, why did'nt they come up with it at first? 

It's proven that multi-tasking improves productivity and saves time. That is why people at work have multiple monitors to keep track of different things all at the same time. 

On this tablet, you can watch movies (both stream and SD card on a "pop up window" similar to a PIP window in TV's) while surfing the internet and checking email, all at the same time. Not even Google came up with this system on their OS. This is strictly a Samsung thing. 

Multitasking on a tablet is pushing boundaries = innovation. 

Stop trying to brush it off as something that isnt innovative. Credit needs to be given where its due. 

Your response would be 180 degrees from the above given statement if this same feature was available on the Apple's product in the first place. At least, acknowledge that. Then I'll let this one fly by. 

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Originally Posted by Galbi 

 

Since Apple is always regarded as the "brilliant" and "innovative" company, why did'nt they come up with it at first? 

 

It's proven that multi-tasking improves productivity and saves time. That is why people at work have multiple monitors to keep track of different things all at the same time. 

 

On this tablet, you can watch movies (both stream and SD card on a "pop up window" similar to a PIP window in TV's) while surfing the internet and checking email, all at the same time. Not even Google came up with this system on their OS. This is strictly a Samsung thing. 

 

Multitasking on a tablet is pushing boundaries = innovation. 

 

Stop trying to brush it off as something that isnt innovative. Credit needs to be given where its due. 

 

Your response would be 180 degrees from the above given statement if this same feature was available on the Apple's product in the first place. At least, acknowledge that. Then I'll let this one fly by. 

Yes, but not with phone apps on a tablet whose differentiator is a pen and despite having 4 cortex a9 at 1.5 and 2gb of ram, has basic lag and is utterly destroyed in real world usage by a device with half the cores and a fourth of the ram.

Then, i can bend it with my hands. How's that? I actually do love vanilla Android, and it's a well known fact that almost every single knowledgeable android user hates what Samsung does software wise.

They have this policy of enabling certain features/mimics just to please people like you on situations like these. Meanwhile, they don't update their devices, they can't fix lag problems, they provide very bad software, etc.

There's 0 innovation here, even with 5000 patents each year. It's a corrupt company after all.