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LG on Monday announced it has acquired the webOS operating system from Hewlett-Packard, which it will use to power its next-generation television sets.

LG announced at this week's Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Spain, that it has purchased HP's webOS Global Business Unit. The deal reportedly includes all of the patents, employees, and source code associated with the operating system originally developed by Palm.

Instead of using webOS to power smartphones or tablets, as was done previously, LG said it plans to use the software on forthcoming television sets. Details on LG's acquisition were first reported on Monday by CNet.

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With webOS on its HDTVs, LG plans to offer an "intuitive user experience and Internet services," said Skott Ahn, president and chief technology officer at LG Electronics Inc. The webOS team will work at LG's new Silicon Valley Lab. The terms of the deal were not disclosed.

The acquisition by LG marks the latest twist and turn in the strange history of webOS. The platform was first developed by Palm, which was then headed by ex-Apple executive Jon Rubinstein, and it powered the company's Pre smartphone lineup before the struggling company was sold to HP for $1.2 billion in 2010.

HP acquired Palm primarily to own webOS, and used the platform for its TouchPad tablet, which debuted in 2011. But after seeing slow sales after only weeks on the market, HP decided to abandon the TouchPad and move remaining inventory with a $99 fire sale.

HP then announced last year that webOS would live on as an open source project. Rubinstein, who joined HP through its acquisition of Palm, also left the PC maker last year.
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Doh. I don't get with the size, scope, and history if HP how they can't be a viable contender like Sumdung and LookPee. Perhaps they will move to Android based devices? I would love to have another American company in the electronics game.
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PREDICTION: Six to nine months from now, LG leaves the TV market.

 

WebOS is the STD of software.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

PREDICTION: Six to nine months from now, LG leaves the TV market.

WebOS is the STD of software.

STD
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

STD may refer to:
  1. Sexually transmitted disease
  2. Subscriber trunk dialling, also known as subscriber toll dialling, allowing subscribers to dial trunk calls without operator assistance.
  3. Doctor of Sacred Theology (Sacrae Theologiae Doctor)
  4. São Tomé and Príncipe dobra, the ISO 4217 code for the currency of São Tomé and Príncipe
  5. Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq, one of the many incarnations of the Sunbeam Car Company
  6. Grupo Santander, The New York Stock Exchange symbol
  7. Schaffer The Darklord, a nerdcore rapper from Queens, New York.
  8. C++ Standard Library
  9. STD, followed by an integer, is a designation of an RFC that has been accepted as an Internet Standard
  10. Stroud railway station (National Rail code) in Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
  11. Scheduled Time of Departure, the time advertised by an airline (or other transport company) as the time a flight (or other form of transport) is due to start its journey.
  12. std, the set direction flag instruction on x86 compatible CPUs, opposite of cld
  13. Mayor Buenaventura Vivas Airport, in Santo Domingo, Venezuela (IATA code STD)
  14. Internet Standard, abbreviated as STD, e.g. "STD 1"
  15. S-T-D, STD is a Linux-based Security Tool,S-T-D
  16. Save the date, a notice stating the date of a significant event such as a wedding

Perhaps something else on TS's mind...
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

PREDICTION: Six to nine months from now, LG leaves the TV market.

 

WebOS is the STD of software.

LOL!  Nice to start Monday with a laugh.

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At least this way it'll get used, I still find it hard to believe just how badly HP screwed up with Web OS. Was it perfect, no. Could it have been a genuine competitor to iOS and Android, absolutely, at least in my opinion.

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Such a waste.. a real waste.. webOS had such potential.. now, it's nothing more than a TV interface? wow. Amazing how corporate politics and BS can kill a good products potential.

I loved webOS, it's tile setup for multitasking was awesome.. Android does something similar, but its incomplete.. they use it as a previous history task list instead of a true multi-tasking ui.. gets confusing as to whats running and what was running that you used previously.

Notification setup was very cool too.. can get text messages on all devices.. not just phone.. Yes, you can do that with iMessage, but only iMessage's.. webOS allowed it with standard text/photo messages as well.. was very cool..

Ahead of their time and little appreciated.
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LG on Monday announced it has acquired the webOS operating system from Hewlett-Packard, which it will use to power its next-generation television sets.

 

I predict that if this is successful, WebOS will then be used to power LG's next-generation of toaster-refrigerator combo devices for enterprise break rooms.

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Doh. I don't get with the size, scope, and history if HP how they can't be a viable contender like Sumdung and LookPee. Perhaps they will move to Android based devices? I would love to have another American company in the electronics game.

Ask and you shall receive: http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/gadgetbox/hp-launches-slate-7-android-tablet-beats-audio-169-1C8516739

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Instead of using webOS to power smartphones or tablets, as was done previously, LG said it plans to use the software on forthcoming television sets. Details on LG's acquisition were first reported on Monday by CNet.

With webOS on its HDTVs, LG plans to offer an "intuitive user experience and Internet services," said Skott Ahn, president and chief technology officer at LG Electronics Inc. The webOS team will work at LG's new Silicon Valley Lab. The terms of the deal were not disclosed.

 

Based on my experience with their current "Smart TV" and their "Magic Remote Control", they couldn't do much worse on the UX front.  Switching inputs is needlessly complicated (and slow), not to mention incompatible with virtually all 3rd party remotes.

 

I'd rather see them address the severe artifacting issues with their so-called 120 Hz Tru-Motion technology.

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I think Samsung should have done this after HP announced they were going to kill off any WebOS development. They could have used it to truly create a competitor to Android and iOS. I don't predict LG will be able to do the same.

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STD
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

STD may refer to:
  1. Sexually transmitted disease
  2. Subscriber trunk dialling, also known as subscriber toll dialling, allowing subscribers to dial trunk calls without operator assistance.
  3. Doctor of Sacred Theology (Sacrae Theologiae Doctor)
  4. São Tomé and Príncipe dobra, the ISO 4217 code for the currency of São Tomé and Príncipe
  5. Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq, one of the many incarnations of the Sunbeam Car Company
  6. Grupo Santander, The New York Stock Exchange symbol
  7. Schaffer The Darklord, a nerdcore rapper from Queens, New York.
  8. C++ Standard Library
  9. STD, followed by an integer, is a designation of an RFC that has been accepted as an Internet Standard
  10. Stroud railway station (National Rail code) in Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
  11. Scheduled Time of Departure, the time advertised by an airline (or other transport company) as the time a flight (or other form of transport) is due to start its journey.
  12. std, the set direction flag instruction on x86 compatible CPUs, opposite of cld
  13. Mayor Buenaventura Vivas Airport, in Santo Domingo, Venezuela (IATA code STD)
  14. Internet Standard, abbreviated as STD, e.g. "STD 1"
  15. S-T-D, STD is a Linux-based Security Tool,S-T-D
  16. Save the date, a notice stating the date of a significant event such as a wedding

Perhaps something else on TS's mind...
He means sexually transmitted disease.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
He means sexually transmitted disease.

 

Well, don't be hasty now; I'm starting to take a fancy to "save the date", particularly since one can almost predict the timeframe in which the company that owns it has an internal capitulation… And "scheduled time of departure" in the same vein, as we could probably predict the timeframe from which the company then sells WebOS to another unsuspecting victim… 1wink.gif

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PREDICTION: Six to nine months from now, LG leaves the TV market.

WebOS is the STD of software.

If only Scamsung had bought it first. Darn it!

I still feel guilty buyiong a Scamsung fridge but I love the LED lights ...1hmm.gif
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U guys crack me ⇧

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WebOS is definitely going to die now.

The future is NOT in a OS Powered TV monitor. The problem is that people don't buy TV monitors frequently. They buy them about every 10 years. Thus the hardware (including CPU and GPU) is going to age and get slower compared to the competitions.

The Competition is Apple TV. Apple TV is inexpensive and can be replaced every 1-2 years. Its hardware will always be competitive with the competition. Once it gets gaming and downloadable apps capabilities, it will KILL the competition.
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I'm surprised that someone hasn't made a Smart TV fork of Android yet.

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Originally Posted by jameskatt2 View Post
The future is NOT in a OS Powered TV monitor. The problem is that people don't buy TV monitors frequently. They buy them about every 10 years. Thus the hardware (including CPU and GPU) is going to age and get slower compared to the competitions.

The Competition is Apple TV. Apple TV is inexpensive and can be replaced every 1-2 years. Its hardware will always be competitive with the competition. Once it gets gaming and downloadable apps capabilities, it will KILL the competition.

 

That's one of the biggest reasons I still don't think Apple will make an actual TV. They don't support anything beyond three years, which is all well and good, but the fact that people wouldn't care and would just hang onto their TV two or even three times that length doesn't do much for new software and hardware adoption in that regard.

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I loved webOS, it's tile setup for multitasking was awesome.. Android does something similar, but its incomplete.. they use it as a previous history task list instead of a true multi-tasking ui.. gets confusing as to whats running and what was running that you used previously.

I liked the tiles but it was ultimately doomed. It used too much power and slowed down the system too much as you added tiles. This was not a good solution for a phone. Maybe once all handhelds are powered by Arc Reactors things will be different. Android's solution is more well rounded. Apple's solution is the most efficient but it's also the most limited in functionality.

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Well, don't be hasty now; I'm starting to take a fancy to "save the date", particularly since one can almost predict the timeframe in which the company that owns it has an internal capitulation… And "scheduled time of departure" in the same vein, as we could probably predict the timeframe from which the company then sells WebOS to another unsuspecting victim… 1wink.gif

I like the Sexually Transmitted Disease option. I'm picturing some LG's CEO getting some other company's CEO to meet him in some hotel room. He knocks him out with a roofie and he wakes up several hours later in the bathroom with paperwork and a HDD taped to his body and finds written on the mirror, "YOU NOW HAVE WEB OS."

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This story has nothing to do with Apple.
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I think it's interesting LG didn't choose Android for their smart TV. Not sure what webOS has that's better
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This story has nothing to do with Apple.

I'm not sure why people keep writing this. AI has always written stories that not only about Apple but about their competitors, their supplies, etc. Anything that can potentially affect Apple is game. Frankly, I'd rather discuss these stories here, in this community, then have to read about it on The Verge or Engadget and then have to try to find a decent response in the comments. It's like trying to pan for gold in a bird bath. You'll come up short every time.
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Originally Posted by ifij775 View Post
Not sure what webOS has that's better

 

It's not made by Google.

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I think it's interesting LG didn't choose Android for their smart TV. Not sure what webOS has that's better

One of the big advantages may be that it gives them a better chance of differentiating their smart TV's from Samsung or Sony or Panasonic. I doubt it's costing them very much to give it a go. 

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I think Samsung should have done this after HP announced they were going to kill off any WebOS development. They could have used it to truly create a competitor to Android and iOS. I don't predict LG will be able to do the same.


They already had their own OS - Bada - so they didn't need to spend money to acquire WebOS.

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I'm glad to see WebOS being used for something. I hope LG don't blow it like Palm and HP did. But as theunfetteredmind said - Samsung might of been able to utilize it better (as an alternative to Tizen)...but hope springs eternal - maybe LG will succeed afterall in turning it into something of a minor hit, WebOS deserves that...I'm not holding my breath though.
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I bet they didn't have to pay 1.2 billion to acquire it 1wink.gif Glad I'm not an HP investor.
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One of the big advantages may be that it gives them a better chance of differentiating their smart TV's from Samsung or Sony or Panasonic. I doubt it's costing them very much to give it a go. 

After seeing the state that Win OEMs are in any tech company that needs to use an OS should build their own platform -or- use someone else's whilst building their own platform.
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Doh. I don't get with the size, scope, and history if HP how they can't be a viable contender like Sumdung and LookPee. Perhaps they will move to Android based devices? I would love to have another American company in the electronics game.

I think HP is going down the road of "Business Services" and getting our of the business of producing HW. A la IBM.

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How fitting. 

 

A zombie-OS acquired by a company that specializes in killing brand image.

 

It's scheduled to resurrect in ZTE's offices around a year from now. 

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At least this way it'll get used, I still find it hard to believe just how badly HP screwed up with Web OS. Was it perfect, no. Could it have been a genuine competitor to iOS and Android, absolutely, at least in my opinion.

Crappy hardware did them in if you ask me.

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Based on my experience with their current "Smart TV" and their "Magic Remote Control", they couldn't do much worse on the UX front.  Switching inputs is needlessly complicated (and slow), not to mention incompatible with virtually all 3rd party remotes.

I'd rather see them address the severe artifacting issues with their so-called 120 Hz Tru-Motion technology.

Even at 240 Hz it sucks and that's why I went with a plasma.
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yet once again HP shows us why it is doomed:

 

1. acquire a promising independent OS with great potential to power a wide range of products, and then fail to invest in its full development, leaving it atrophied instead.

2. then dump it cheap to some Asian OEM.

3. and revert to relying totally on Google and MS OS' for products.

4. thereby joining the profitless Race To The Bottom where every HP product is a mere commodity up against cutthroat competition.

5. starting with the $169 Slate 7 tablet and an HP Chromebook just announced.

 

in just a few years it will be all of what's left of HP itself that gets dumped cheap to some Asian OEM.

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He means sexually transmitted disease.

Specifically AIDS.

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If only Scamsung had bought it first. Darn it!

I still feel guilty buyiong a Scamsung fridge but I love the LED lights ...1hmm.gif

Yeah, but you can always sell it, take a loss and buy something else.  You still have time to redeem yourself.  LOL.  I'm sure people will forgive you for buying a Samsung labeled product.  Just tell people you had a were temporarily insane, that usually works, or some commissioned rep forced you to buy it.  That usually works. :-)

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yet once again HP shows us why it is doomed:

 

1. acquire a promising independent OS with great potential to power a wide range of products, and then fail to invest in its full development, leaving it atrophied instead.

2. then dump it cheap to some Asian OEM.

3. and revert to relying totally on Google and MS OS' for products.

4. thereby joining the profitless Race To The Bottom where every HP product is a mere commodity up against cutthroat competition.

5. starting with the $169 Slate 7 tablet and an HP Chromebook just announced.

 

in just a few years it will be all of what's left of HP itself that gets dumped cheap to some Asian OEM.

Yeah, it looks like HP with their Android tablets are intentionally going after the Low Margin, No Profit business model just to join the gang of other companies destined for failure.  Hey, lets some up with a Me-Too product, sell it at just above cost and we'll make it up on volume. 

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I think HP is going down the road of "Business Services" and getting our of the business of producing HW. A la IBM.

HP just announced a 7 inch Android tablet for $169.  I just think they prefer the Low Margin, No Profit business model.  They'll just make it up on volume.

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WebOS is definitely going to die now.

The future is NOT in a OS Powered TV monitor. The problem is that people don't buy TV monitors frequently. They buy them about every 10 years. Thus the hardware (including CPU and GPU) is going to age and get slower compared to the competitions.

The Competition is Apple TV. Apple TV is inexpensive and can be replaced every 1-2 years. Its hardware will always be competitive with the competition. Once it gets gaming and downloadable apps capabilities, it will KILL the competition.

only when there is one controller that can drive the TV, the Sound System, the cable, and the AppleTV, and integrate all that into one onscreen menu.   

 

There is a middle ground.  An 'Apple TV Aware'  set of Home Theater Products using HDMI-CEC (or ethernet?) to drive controls to the devices.   Pair a device up with an Apple TV, enable the CEC, then your TV and AppleTV are 'one' through the Apple TV interface. Extend that for your sound system BlueRay and cable (the last one may be the most problematic)  and you have that 'one button system' that is the Apple Gold Standard for interface design.

 

Think AirPrint for Home Theater.

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Maybe LG should hire that pale blond girl (Tamara Hope) from the Palm Pre ads.
She could be their "Creative Director." Like Alicia Keys is for BlackBerry.

Hey LG! Here she is on IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0394045/

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