Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
No. That's not what I said. :P
That's what you think. And that's what you 'think' I said.
Try again, Soli.
Mel' was right.
Lemon Bon Bon.
You write in a very fractured way that doesn't lend to easy reading so I've reposted two of your posts in full and have bolded the comments from each that support my original comment.
Melgross is right.
(Not something I've said often.)
But he is.
Apple are in danger of being consumed by their 'cool' hubris.
Have they so soon forgotten candy coloured iMacs? Pushing the fashion failure of the Cube. (That it failed isn't the point.)
The $1599 dollar G3 Tower (the best one they ever released under Jobs in my view...) - Remember the Performance, expandable, affordable etc. ? Whatever happened to the affordable?
How come you now can't get a desktop for less than £1000 UK smackers? WITH a screen? Is this the same company that USED to give us a fully featured iMac with screen and keyboard/mouse for £595 UK inc VAT!!!?
They SAT on the iPhone 4 design and then 'evolved' it into the iPhone 5. Undeniably the iPhone 5 is a great phone. The best on the market.
But 'one size fits all?' Really? From the company that gave us the iPod 'premium' at all segments?
The classic devolved into the shuffle, nano and the Touch. All affordable. All premium. All value. They sucked the life out of the competition. So you could get an 'iPod' at £45? £100ish. £200 ish. Recognise anything? All Apple. All value. All quality.
Apple used to have a UK tower at £1055 there abouts. Now you have to £2000+ for one with a crappy quad core and a crappy gpu. And because Apple have a 'one size' fits all monitor range it costs you £899 inc vat to get a display? Really?
What happened to affordability, Apple?
I'm an Apple guy. But I aint drinking the cool aid of the price hikes since 2008.
It's a joke that you can't get an iMac any cheaper than the original launch price from its debut. £1099 without DVD (add £65 and Fusion which should be standard...it's how much for a 128 SSD?) and you're looking at £165 more than the old entry and £365 more for what they 'should' have included if you count Fusion. Little cost for Apple. Alot extra for the consumer. They used to have a model in 2008 £695 entry level iMac. It's now £405 more pricey. The Mac Pro £1000 more pricey to get on the ladder. The mini used to be 'almost' compelling at under £495. Seriously, they can't included a mouse and keyboard? (And the latest iMac keyboard feels 'cheaper' with it's pressed plastic than the last generation's keyboard...)
Imac? £200 price drop minimum across the board. They're desktops. Should be cheaper than Airs?
The Air? Needs a cheaper model.
Basically what Mel' said.
As for the iPad Mini. Intro' the retina...but keep the old non retina model and drop the price on it.
iPhone? Follow the iPod strategy.
Nuclear on Samsung.
Go iPhone shuffle with siri.
Go iPhone Nano with colours. Cheaper. Plastic if necessary.
Go iPhone classic as is...with colours. (Take your iPod touch streamline the design, add radio...and annodized colours. Price trim.) The iPod touch is a better design than the iPhone 5. It just is.
Go iPhone +. 4.8-5 inches. No home button...no border. All front surface glass. Tear drop design. Super sexy.
You blow Samsung away. Suck air out of Android and take on the Indian, China markets, Brazil HEAD ON!
You get the £50, £100+, £250+ £350+ £500+ markets nailed.
If you're going to cannibalise, do it to your own product...before Android does.
I think Mel' is right on the money.
Apple could easily make a more affordable tower while their at it.Let the tower and iMac fight it out. But there's plenty of Windows users who would like a tower. But start at £999 and offer a sane display to go with it.
Apple as Mel said? Have done it in the past.
Plus the market share gains will sex up the stock value.
Get the iWatch out.
Get the aTV out.
That's my multiprong zietgheist.
Get the 'Air' to where the 'iBook' used to be on price.
Cheaper ticket price for upsell.
Come on Apple. You're making hard work of it.
Hubris and all that. Until people wake up and realise cool aint worth the posterior reaming extra.
Nobody is saying they have to do cheap crap. They never have.
Was the iMac 'cheap crap' when Apple offered it for £595? Was the Shuffe 'cheap crap' when it took the iPod sub £100? No. Apple were desperate to corner the MP3 market.
Sure, there is a premium profit in the Phone market profits are with them. But with £150 Billion in emerging world market smart phones share to be had...the ball is in Apple's court.
I hope Tim is listening. People who can't afford non contract phones...find £500+ way too much.
Figure it out. If they can Mini the iPad...they can go Nano and + with the iPhone, do colours, do annodized...give people choice. 1 choice is ridiculous no matter how good it is.
Lemon Bon Bon.
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Yes. And you can put an affordable consumer tower in that category along with a Pro redesign for 'mortals' who want to bootcamp with Apple.
Just watched teh G3 tower intro'. Amazed at how affordable they were back then...complete with Quake 3 demo... And decent GPUs. Those were teh days. The tower/desktop appears a dwindling market...but how they've treated it...sums it all up. They're selling an out of date 'workstation' not worth the money. Along with Monitor choice. Totalitarian 'one size' fits all. Are Apple becoming the 'big brother' of the 1984 advert?
Time for a reality check on your prices Apple as we hit a triple dip recession. Meanwhile, you have 145 billion in the bank.
And you're nickle and diming us for Fusion drives, hiking iMac prices (2nd time they've done that in a recession...) and charging us for dropped features aka DVD drive.
They've now got enough in the bank to put the opposition to the sword. They have the stores. They have the reach.
Forget the share price. Nobody is asking for 7% profit margins and unrealistic volumes in shrinking markets. But going from £1045 to £2000 plus?
Going from £595 to £1160?
As the iPod market dissolves...we go from an affordable shuffle of £50+ to an iPhone of £500+
An iBook that used to be £695 to the Air's price?
Affordability. That was one of the things Jobs said in his keynote...back THEN when he launched the G3 Tower's blue and white design. Power and affordability.
Lemon Bon Bon.
None of this makes much sense but your underlying comment is consistently that Apple is doing it wrong despite leading in every HW category they are in. That makes your complaints null and void right there but you also contradict yourself with complaint about Fusion Drive not being standard and keeping the ODD and then later talking about dropping the price so they can do an upsell.
Finally and most egregious, is your comments about the iPhone following the iPod model of a larger HDD-based device, a small screened device, and a no screen device that only uses Siri to communicate without any consideration for the App Store ecosystem that is a huge part of the success for the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. There are two display sizes for the IPhone just as there are 2 display sizes for the iPod Touch, and un
coincidently the 3.5" apps fit on the 4" iPhone pixel for pixel, just as an 10" iPad app fit on the 8" iPad display pixel for pixel, albeit for different reasons.
This is all by design and this is why they are winning, not in spite of.
PS: I think there is nothing cooler in the tech world right now than my new 27" iMac.