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A Japanese court on Thursday handed down a favorable ruling for Apple in a lawsuit filed by Samsung, which alleged the Cupertino company misused certain 3G wireless patents in versions of the iPhone.

Update: According to a follow-up report from The Times of India, the case in question deals with Samsung's assertion of data transmission patents against a number of iPhone models. This article has been updated to reflect the new information.

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Samsung first filed suit against Apple in April of 2011, seeking an injunction against Apple's handset over unauthorized use of certain data transmission patents. Thursday's ruling found that the Korean company does not have the right to assert the 3G technologies in court.

"We are disappointed by today's court decision," Samsung said in a prepared statement first reported by Reuters. "Following a thorough review of the ruling, we will take the measures necessary to protect our intellectual property rights."

Most recently, Samsung lodged a request with a California court to subpoena documents from the Apple v. Samsung patent trial to be used toward discovery in similar litigation being heard in Japan. At the time, Apple opposed the motion, arguing that action was an attempt at sidestepping normal Japanese court procedures. The U.S. court agreed and denied the subpoena request.

Samsung did find success in Japan last August when the Tokyo District Court ruled against an Apple patent claim regarding infringement of a property relating to the synchronization of music and video data with off-site servers. That case is currently under appeal with the Intellectual Property High Court in Tokyo.
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Wonderful. There is actually a shred of honesty and proper judgement left in this world.

But lol at Samsung pretending to try to protect their ip. When reality is that "their ip" is actually Apple's.

It's called stealing, Samsung. And you should stop. Now.
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Keep hammering on Samsung Apple. Samsung needs to have a reality check hammered into its skull that innovating means coming up with your own stuff, instead of using Apple as their own R&D department.
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Samsung: "We are disappointed by today's court decision."

Apple: "Get used to it."

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post #5 of 18

I cannot believe how Samsung shamelessly copied Apple's PassBook application.

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In further news one of the UK Judges who denied Apple's appeal and forced them to publicly make statements about Samsung not infringing on their website, is now working for...

 

...Samsung.

 

 

 

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That idiot tosser ex-judge has revealed his true colours, of course everything was "above board" and there was no "undue influence" on that limey sleaze bag.

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In further news one of the UK Judges who denied Apple's appeal and forced them to publicly make statements about Samsung not infringing on their website, is now working for...

 

...Samsung.

 

 

 

Source

 

That idiot tosser ex-judge has revealed his true colours, of course everything was "above board" and there was no "undue influence" on that limey sleaze bag.

Yup, Sir Jacob who had come from retirement to hear the Apple Samsung case. According to FOSSPatents he really is considered an expert in patents and it's perfectly above board for the UK, but like you I don't particularly care for the smell of it. Mueller didn't care for it either but no surprise there.

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In further news one of the UK Judges who denied Apple's appeal and forced them to publicly make statements about Samsung not infringing on their website, is now working for...

 

...Samsung.

 

 

 

Source

 

That idiot tosser ex-judge has revealed his true colours, of course everything was "above board" and there was no "undue influence" on that limey sleaze bag.

 

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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Yup, Sir Jacob who had come from retirement to hear the Apple Samsung case. According to FOSSPatents he really is considered an expert in patents and it's perfectly above board for the UK, but like you I don't particularly care for the smell of it. Mueller didn't care for it either but no surprise there.

 

"You cannot hope to bribe or twist (thank God!) the British jurist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there's no occasion to!"

 

Humbert Wolfe, (1885 - 1940) with a little revision (the original read "British journalist")

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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post #9 of 18
Data transmission over 3G? This sounds frivolous to sue over a wireless standard
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In further news one of the UK Judges who denied Apple's appeal and forced them to publicly make statements about Samsung not infringing on their website, is now working for...

...Samsung.





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That idiot tosser ex-judge has revealed his true colours, of course everything was "above board" and there was no "undue influence" on that limey sleaze bag.

This should be investigated. If he had the slightest inkling about this then future position at the time there should be criminal charges brought.
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But lol at Samsung pretending to try to protect their ip. When reality is that "their ip" is actually Apple's.

 

Samsung does have some IP that is theirs and yes that includes 3G related patents. 

 

Just be because they 'stole' some design items doesn't mean the same is true for everything 

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I guess Samsung did not open the innovative and original Samsung Wallet wide enough for these judges.

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I guess Samsung did not open the innovative and original Samsung Wallet wide enough for these judges.

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Samsung does have some IP that is theirs and yes that includes 3G related patents. 

Just be because they 'stole' some design items doesn't mean the same is true for everything 

True, but their 3G patents are FRAND. They can't arbitrarily refuse to license them and try to get an injunction against products because of them.
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post #15 of 18
Apple wins: "we are disappointed, this stifles innovation"

Samesung loses: "we will take measures to protect our intellectual property rights"

What a bunch of idiots
post #16 of 18
Sammy should innovate rather than litigate. What? That can be only used against Apple?
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This should be investigated. If he had the slightest inkling about this then future position at the time there should be criminal charges brought.

 

Yep, although it's seems unlikely that someone of his stature would get into a situation like that.  More likely, he was approached later on.

 

Even in the US, retired judges are usually allowed to act as a paid expert witness in other cases. 

 

After all, he's not being a witness in a Samsung v. Apple case.  Now THAT would be bad.

 

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True, but their 3G patents are FRAND. They can't arbitrarily refuse to license them and try to get an injunction against products because of them.

 

Right, but if someone refuses to license them, then an injunction is a possible tool.

 

The valuable thing about a FRAND patent is that it has usually already been found valid, and others have licensed it.  So the only things a potential licensee can do is either try to prove that they don't use it, or negotiate a rate.

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Yep, although it's seems unlikely that someone of his stature would get into a situation like that.  More likely, he was approached later on.

Even in the US, retired judges are usually allowed to act as a paid expert witness in other cases. 
 
After all, he's not being a witness in a Samsung v. Apple case.  Now THAT would be bad.


Right, but if someone refuses to license them, then an injunction is a possible tool.

The valuable thing about a FRAND patent is that it has usually already been found valid, and others have licensed it.  So the only things a potential licensee can do is either try to prove that they don't use it, or negotiate a rate.

Your most likely right, he was probably approached precisely because they realized how much he preferred Scamsung 1wink.gif
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