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What about 'Squirting Midget'???

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Originally Posted by Messiah View Post

Also thanks for deciding for me, which emails I need to see and which I don't, without my even knowing about it.

Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post
Wow! Apple needs to get out of the business of being a nanny.

 

Every single company with an e-mail service does this. Every single one. Otherwise we'd all have thousands of e-mails per day.


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I wonder how people would feel about the Royal Mail opening all our letters and deciding whether we should see them? Maybe just bin the letters they don't think we should see?

 

They already do.

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I wouldn't be replying to anyone comparing child porn to equal rights for gay and lesbian couples if I were you (referring to he whom you replied to not you 1smile.gif). He is certifiably bigoted and always has been in this forum.

It sounds like you're the bigot, because "barely legal" is hardly child porn.

 

Either something is legal or it's not, and barely legal means it's legal.  There's even a magazine called "barely legal" sold at news stands everywhere.

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BOTH are doing "content analytics" Soli. BOTH are auto-scanning user emails including headers and content, BOTH are searching specific keywords/phrases found in them to prompt an action. While one deletes emails based on content and the other uses content to help companies deliver pertinent ads, both are getting there using the same general methods.  It's not even assured that Apple doesn't log potential ad keywords too is it, or that Google never deletes email?

Neither has a person at a desk reading your emails, giggling, and taking notes. 

No, your implication was that filtering out spam is the same as Google's targeted ads to cattle and analytic sales to their customers are the same thing. You can't move your goal posts to claim that Apple also does analytics in some fashion. As I stated, filtering spam by Google or Apple is not the problem people have with Google's "snooping" and clearly stated I wish Apple's iCloud mail was better at spam filtering.

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No, your implication was that filtering out spam is the same as Google's targeted ads to cattle and analytic sales to their customers are the same thing. You can't move your goal posts to claim that Apple also does analytics in some fashion. As I stated, filtering spam by Google or Apple is not the problem people have with Google's "snooping" and clearly stated I wish Apple's iCloud mail was better at spam filtering.

Both Apple and Google do the same automated "snooping" in emails, even tho the reasons for it might (or might not) be different. Even whether Apple does any keyword logging for advertising or other uses isn't know for certain as far as I know. Do you know? Further, in at least in Apple's case that extends into attachments too, even zipped ones. It's pretty deep inspection of user emails. 

 

Does it really matter whether one service digs in looking for Apple-unapproved subjects and dumps them without notice when found, while the other digs in looking for certain keywords to be used for Google target ads when found? They're both digging in our email.

 

The only major difference I see is most of us were aware of Google. Most of us were unaware Apple was digging in the mail too.


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post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Both Apple and Google do the same automated "snooping" in emails, even tho the reasons for it might (or might not) be different. Even whether Apple does any keyword logging for advertising or other uses isn't know for certain as far as I know. Do you know? Further, in at least in Apple's case that extends into attachments too, even zipped ones. It's pretty deep inspection of user emails. 

 

Does it really matter whether one service digs in looking for Apple-unapproved subjects and dumps them without notice when found, while the other digs in looking for certain keywords to be used for Google target ads when found? They're both digging in our email.

 

The only major difference I see is most of us were aware of Google. Most of us were unaware Apple was digging in the mail too.

Nice one googleguy, even something not of subject of google you still tend to slip in something for them.  Your attempts are mediocre at best. 

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post #47 of 52
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Nice one googleguy, even something not of subject of google you still tend to slip in something for them.  Your attempts are mediocre at best. 

His comparison of spam filtering to Google analyzing your content and usage to better serve directed ads is way off base, but in a general discussion about email I see no reason why Google's name should not be mentioned and many reason why it should.

Gmail is world's largest email provider best out Hotmail as of October of last year (according to reports) even thought they look nearly tied along with Yahoo! Mail, but probably has the most mind share. It also seems to be highly regarded for its performance and capacity. I know I use it for my personal domain email via Google Apps for about $5/month. Gmail has the mindshare.

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post #48 of 52
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Nice one googleguy, even something not of subject of google you still tend to slip in something for them.  Your attempts are mediocre at best. 

I wasn't the one that brought Google up in the first place.

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post #49 of 52
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Apple needs to get on top of this. I definitely need to make sure that I'm receiving all of the "barely legal teen" emails that might be addressed to me.

 

As far as I'm concerned, people who like the "barely legal teen" category should not be subjected to unfair and unlawful discrimination, especially by a company who has recently come out in full support of gay marriage. 


So, if I'm hearing you correctly, Apple needs to get on top of barely legal teens...

post #50 of 52
The lesson here being, if you need a place for your smut emails... create a Gmail account. I may be in the minority here, but I appreciate Apple's strict filtering. It's never filtered an important email like an Order Confirmation, reply from a Craigslist buyer, or an email from friends and family.

We're in a time now where your email account is always with you, and the last thing I want is constant notifications all day about new spam mail that just arrived in my inbox. I understand that having Apple automatically Filter & Delete suspected emails makes some people a little uneasy. But Gmail continues to let Spam into my Inbox (sometimes even after I've reported it), while iCloud has yet to let me down. If there was an email that it misinterpreted and deleted, I'm none the wiser to it.

Use an email account where my phone is going off all day, 1/2 of those notifications being junk mail... or use an email service that filters all spam and is accused of deleting legitimate emails, a claim which I've personally never experienced. I'll stick with iCloud!
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Originally Posted by Mundty View Post

But Gmail continues to let Spam into my Inbox (sometimes even after I've reported it), while iCloud has yet to let me down. If there was an email that it misinterpreted and deleted, I'm none the wiser to it.

 

I've had the opposite experience.  GMail has been terrific at keeping spam out of my inbox.

 

One thing I suggest to everyone is that they keep at least two email accounts.  One for signing up online like in forums or for junk sites, and one just to use with friends (yes, it eventually gets out and gets spammed, but not so much).

 

Another  old trick people used to use was to have something different about their personal name when they sign up for junk account sites... and then watch for that difference in "personalized" emails that come in, to automatically delete them.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

In what universe does the subject line containing "barely legal teen" sent from someone you do not know mean anything other than spam? It's probably a true positive match for spam more often than a false positive.

Here is a example. 


 
to:  Father of my son's friend. 
 
Dear Fomsf  
     Your son was visiting yesterday at my house and he asked if he could use my computer to check on-line to see if he had any homework from school. I told him he could use the one in the study. Later I checked the browsing history and was shocked to see that he had searched for "Barely Legal Teens". and several other searches that I would consider not appropriate for a 14 year old and especially on my machine. I would appreciate it if you could have a talk with your son about this..................
 
If this was filtered without any knowledge it is wrong. 
 
This is a form of censorship and presumes larger moral context to phrases that are justified. 
What other phrases are also auto deleted. 
 
this is a FAIL. 
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