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Who is he kidding? It may work within 20 miles of Silicon Valley but Apple maps is still a disaster in the rest of the world.

 

 

If by the rest of the world, you mean outside of North America and China, perhaps you are correct. In my own comparative tests in Michigan, Apple's Maps also best Google in giving directions. My girlfriend and I did the same test using Google's iOS Map App and Apple's Maps. On a series of four mile or less across town trips, Apple's Map App accurately gave me turn by turn directions and the App was easy to use. Google failed to auto correct and failed to tell me to turn twice. The App was also not intuitive to use. For instance, getting it to actually give me turn by turn directions took some fiddling around. Google's Maps actually suck in main land China largely because of the Chinese's government dislike of Google, whereas Apple teamed up with a local Chinese company to obtain the data. 

 

Apple having accurate driving directions in North America is no surprise either considering Apple is using reliable street directions from Tom Tom. Where Apple falls short is in some other Countries and in Point of Interest information.  

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Yeah... Google Maps has a friendlier search interface...  Apple Maps requires you to be pretty precise in specifying city and country.

 

Perhaps, but Google's app is a pain to turn the search into actual directions. 

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Google shows Apple's HQ as a bunch of trash bins?

 

Apple needs to update Apple maps straight away, and when somebody types in Google's address, a huge toilet bowl, rendered in wonderful 3d of course, will show up.

In the late '70's I used to be in the U.S. Navy. Mostly in the Med. Whenever a Russian destroyer was in the vicinity, they would go out of their way to cut across our bow (that's the "pointy" end for you non-sailors). Not too close and they would dump their trash so we would go thru it.

 

The reaction on our bridge was always the same..no big deal, it just seemed infantile and unnecessary. 

 

It's hopefully not intentional on Google's part.

 

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That's great if you live in California. The past 2 times I used Apple Maps to take me somewhere it took me to the wrong address in a completely different city both times.

 

It took you? Didn't you clue in when you saw the sign on the road saying "You're now leaving Pleasantville"?

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Who is he kidding? It may work within 20 miles of Silicon Valley but Apple maps is still a disaster in the rest of the world.

 

It looks like Google Maps might not work so well in Germany soon.

 

Apple Maps works fine in Australia and I recently used it in Fiji.

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I haven't had a problem with Apple Maps finding an address... even a log cabin up a dirt road way up in the mountains of North Carolina. Most addresses have been around for years and years... unless it's a brand new subdivision or shopping center parkway. Map/address data has been around for years. If Apple is using that data... there shouldn't be a problem finding an address directly.

However... Apple Maps falls short for me sometimes with POI data. For instance... Apple thinks there are 2 Walmarts in my town. I don't know where they even got that 2nd address... there has never been a Walmart there. It was an old factory. I've reported it many times since iOS 6 came out... but it's still there.

I use Apple Maps if I know the exact location but I need turn-by-turn directions for getting there.

But I use Google Maps for general searching as their POI data seems more reliable.

 

 

I agree with your assessment. Apple relying on Yelp for POI data is the Apps biggest downfall. Mostly because Yelp is really slow about correcting mistakes. I have submitted at least a hundred Yelp provided POI errors in my area, but Yelp still hasn't fixed them. Errors range from businesses being closed to having a shopping center on the wrong side of the street. 

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Apple's much maligned Maps application for iOS outperformed competitors Google Maps and Waze in a California driving test orchestrated by columnist John C. Dvorak.

Dvorak is somewhat notorious among Apple supporters, as the longtime pundit has over the years predicted the demise of numerous Apple products, including the Macintosh and iPhone. But in a new column for PC Magazine, he found that Apple's Maps for iPhone gave better directions in a head-to-head competition than both Google Maps and Waze.



Also involved in Dvorak's tests were TWiT broadcaster Leo LaPorte and writer Glenn Rubenstein. All involved were in separate cars with different navigation systems: LaPorte with Waze, Dvorak with Google Maps, and Rubenstein with Apple Maps.

the three vehicles made several different stops in California, including Apple's corporate headquarters in Cupertino. The fact that Apple outperformed Google and Waze in providing directions with traffic a real-world scenario made Dvorak admit he now has to "wonder what the fuss was about" regarding dissatisfaction with Apple Maps.

In addition, Dvorak said he believes Google Maps has been a "little ragged" as of late, suggesting that the search company's service has actually become worse over time ? even when accessed via a regular computer.

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Apple's headquarters, as displayed by Google. Via PC Magazine.


Dvorak also noted that Google Maps on his phone shows Apple's headquarters via Street View as a series of trash bins on the company's campus. He questioned whether the picture is a "mistake, gag or insult."

"I had to laugh," he said. "But whatever the case, Apple Maps still won this battle. So Apple got the last laugh."
I've always liked apple's new maps app the best, despite what the media said in the past.
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Yay!  Now, we have John C. Dvorak on our side.  

 

If we can get Rob Enderle to endorse Apple Maps, Google will be doooooooomed . . . and beleaguered.

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It seems a bit unfair if they all went to Apple's HQ but not any of the other company's addresses. Google and Waze are all just a few miles from each other. If Apple did better than the others did with their own locations then I could definitely give credit to Apple Maps.

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I was born in St. Louis Park, MN, population 45,882, a suburb of Minneapolis -- It has 3D Fluover.

 

 

I think I'll avoid that area, I wouldn't like to catch 3D flu.

 

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post #51 of 137
Boom! Here we go!
Today Apple maps beats Google maps.
Tomorrow, Siri will beat Google search.
post #52 of 137
So one of Apple's biggest longtime bashers admits that Apple maps is better than Google maps. Even if this is not the case, and it's equal, or only slightly worse, it shows you what sensational horse-shit the negative PR was towards the product, as if it is an unmitigated disaster. If Apple maps is superior to Google maps in even SOME scenarios, that fucking impressive as shit, considering it's a just launched product while Google has been improving its maps everyday for the past decade and more, and Google maps is considered the defacto standard untouchable by many. Within a couple years, with Apple working it's ass off on maps, and enabling both web and desktop versions, this may very well change
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Why is it that every time someone tries to do a side-by-side comparison, Apple Maps comes out looking at least as good as Google Maps. Yet it doesn't stop the trolls from "well, in MY part of the world, it doesn't work at all".

Here's an idea: maybe they aren't trolls at all, just telling the truth.

 

Every map app has its problems. I think a large part of it is that it can vary quite a lot from place to place, even road to road in the same area.

 

People shout louder when there are problems as it disrupts their lives, and tend to just keep quiet when it works flawlessly.

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Who is he kidding? It may work within 20 miles of Silicon Valley but Apple maps is still a disaster in the rest of the world.

Well, just subtract Reading and Basingstoke in Hampshire, Bristol in Avon, Leeds in Yorkshire, Newport in Gwent, and London, all in the UK, from the "rest of the world".

 

Places where I've personally tested Apple Maps and it's done the job, switched over to Transit apps for public transport (Reading), given accurate turn-by-turn directions in the dead of night (Bristol), found and directed a walk to a train station (Bristol) and a hotel  (Newport) as well as a cash till /ATM (Leeds).

 

I however regularly update Google Maps which I only use as a backup, and for when I need Street View,

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Is there any definitive way to figure out which 3rd party vendor is supplying the POI data for any given location?

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As someone who lives in another part of the world, you are incorrect.  I've used Apple Maps exclusively since launch and have never had an issue in Southern Ontario (Canada).

 

Well it's still pretty much a joke on the west coast.  

I also question the whole concept of "testing" maps just by doing a driving directions test.  

 

There is a lot more to maps than driving directions and many people do not drive at all.  I'm kind of sick and tired of hearing people post about how they used map directions to drive through Kansas or whatever and they were "totally fine."  Tell me a story about how Apple maps helped you find a restaurant in a town you'd never been to before or how it got you on the right bus to the airport and I will consider it a much more realistic "test" of the maps capabilities.  

 

Look at the picture I've attached for instance.  It shows one of the busiest intersections of the third largest city in Canada.

 

There are no transit directions or stops but we already know about that debacle.  No bike routes are marked, no transit stations are marked.  What's worse is there are no listings for the literally hundreds of stores and venues lining these streets.  There's a half a dozen or so entries for restaurants that are reviewed on Yelp only.  The icons for said stores and restaurants are all incorrectly located (but you'd have to be on the street to see that).  The buildings are sketchy and incorrect in many places, lots of them are totally missing.  

 

The giant error is the boundary to the park which Apple maps shows as being 50-100 yards off from where it actually is.  

 

Ironically, Vancouver is one of the cities in North America that pioneered digital city maps!  All information on the city, including pictures, locations of transit lines, all buildings and roads, bike routes etc. is all digitised and freely available from City Hall.  They even have 3D mapping data for every building in the city, but somehow Apple isn't even aware of this resource.  

 

Almost everything about Apple maps is wrong in Vancouver and horribly so.  This is just one tiny example.  

 

All this is is just a badly drawn vector map based on out of date information with an overlay of whatever restaurant has been reviewed on Yelp lately.

This is just a bad joke IMO.  

 

 

  

 

 

I used the iOS 6 Google Maps app (2X on iPad) to capture the same area == and posted it beside youy map for comparison.

 

I zoomed in enough so the Google app would display some POIs.

 

Could you point out where the errors are?

 

Did you report them?

 

 

I have never been to BC, but I understand it is beautiful.   I enjoy vicariously visiting areas where I can -- below is the above area in Apple Maps Flyover

 

 

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Who is he kidding? It may work within 20 miles of Silicon Valley but Apple maps is still a disaster in the rest of the world.

Your wrong. Here in Maryland Apple Maps works perfectly for me daily for turn by turn directions. It is Tom Toms data base after all. This test is consistent with Consumer Reports results in NYC.
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It doesn't occur to anyone at all that "testing" these apps only in the USA, and only in southern California, within a stones throw of the headquarters of the companies in question is not really a test at all?  1rolleyes.gif
Your wrong. Here in Maryland Apple Maps works perfectly for me daily for turn by turn directions. It is Tom Toms data base after all. This test is consistent with Consumer Reports results in NYC.
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It looks like Google Maps might not work so well in Germany soon.

 

Good catch! Did not see that earlier. A bad day for innostealovation (the altruistic act of giving other people's property away for free and expecting praise for it) indeed. VP8 not free, Maps infringing on MS patents... My mood is improving.

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I have never been to BC, but I understand it is beautiful.

At your age I figured you were born in BC.




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post #61 of 137
So the logical conclusions are:

Apple maps is brand new and not perfect just like Google Maps, Waze etc weren't when they were brand new. But it's also not 100% crap

Google etc aren't perfect either. Even after the years that Google has had

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post #62 of 137

The Apple Maps app worked great for me in Colorado while on a trip.  It correctly led me to every restaurant that I asked it to.  I have no problem with it, and you can bet that Apple is hard at work to correct the issues.  So it seems that people complain that Apple is resting on it's laurels lately, but sometimes, so does Google.  1smile.gif

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At your age I figured you were born in BC.




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Well I thought it was funny, but he's three years older than me.
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It looks like Google Maps might not work so well in Germany soon.

No surprise. Google apparently never saw IP that it didn't attempt to steal.
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As someone who lives in another part of the world, you are incorrect.  I've used Apple Maps exclusively since launch and have never had an issue in Southern Ontario (Canada).

I live in the same area and used to have major issues with Apple Maps. I would have to type in the EXACT address, down to the postal code just to get the correct area. However, it has vastly improved now and is much better.

I still find Apple struggles with searches though. I can type any street name into google (even if it is slightly misspelled) and google will find a street in the city that matches (or closely matches) my search. Apple can't do that, you have to be very precise, which makes it difficult if you spell the street name wrong, or the restaurant, etc.
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Why is it that every time someone tries to do a side-by-side comparison, Apple Maps comes out looking at least as good as Google Maps. Yet it doesn't stop the trolls from "well, in MY part of the world, it doesn't work at all".

 

<*Sigh*> Seriously? The test was in one of the most widely documented/cartographed areas of the world that also just happens to be APPLE'S OWN BACK YARD. You don't think that colors the results? Honestly?

 

Further, for every person that wrote, "It still doesn't work in my area" there was one who wrote, "It works fine here, too."

 

Finally, why is it so difficult for you to believe that perhaps there are areas of the country... continent... PLANET that may not be well served by Apple maps? Fer crissake, it's barely out of diapers. OF COURSE it's gonna have holes.

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I guess Google hates me too. They managed do do their street view drive-by on trash day, so all the houses on my street have their trash cans in front.

And to top it off, some time ago I was looking up the places I lived as a kid, and the apartment house in New York had trash in front as well. But maybe that is standard in New York...
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I found Apple's Maps to be more accurate than Google's Maps while driving around the Yucatan in Mexico this last Winter. I ran them both side by side out of curiosity, Google sent me the wrong way several times, down streets that weren't even there. Never had any problems with Apple's maps.

I'm starting to think there may have been some hiccups at rollout that were amplified by the media (and google fanboys).
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Apple Maps Google Maps Open Street Map

 

 

People are always going to say you are lying if you claim Apple Maps is bad unless you have proof. Even then they will say, sure, you can cherry pick remote regions that are not yet served and you are just a troll. This is my home town. I want Apple to be quite a bit better than they are now because it is unusable in its current state. Open Street Map is by far the best of the three.

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Apple Maps Google Maps Open Street Map


People are always going to say you are lying if you claim Apple Maps is bad unless you have proof. Even then they will say, sure, you can cherry pick remote regions that are not yet served and you are just a troll. This is my home town. I want Apple to be quite a bit better than they are now because it is unusable in its current state. Open Street Map is by far the best of the three.

That's nice. There are places where Apple Maps isn't perfect. There are also places where Google Maps isn't perfect. You haven't listed any of those.

In the end, it's quite simple:

Apple Maps has X mistakes.
Google Maps has Y mistakes.

Unless you can prove that X > Y, your repeated claims that Apple Maps is inferior is nothing more than FUD. So where's your evidence?

It's funny how every published report says that Apple Maps is at least as good (often better) than Google Maps, but you never seem to pay any attention. You always come back to your one example. Why is that?
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<*Sigh*> Seriously? The test was in one of the most widely documented/cartographed areas of the world that also just happens to be APPLE'S OWN BACK YARD. You don't think that colors the results? Honestly?

Further, for every person that wrote, "It still doesn't work in my area" there was one who wrote, "It works fine here, too."

Finally, why is it so difficult for you to believe that perhaps there are areas of the country... continent... PLANET that may not be well served by Apple maps? Fer crissake, it's barely out of diapers. OF COURSE it's gonna have holes.

I never claimed that Apple Maps was perfect or that it didn't have problems. I've simply asked for proof of the assertion that Apple Maps is inferior. It's really simple:

Apple Maps has X mistakes.
Google Maps has Y mistakes.

Unless you can prove that X > Y, your repeated claims that Apple Maps is inferior is nothing more than FUD. So where's your evidence?
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It's funny how every published report says that Apple Maps is at least as good (often better) than Google Maps, but you never seem to pay any attention. You always come back to your one example. Why is that?

I've heard numerous times that Apple uses Open Street Map for data, then why the hell don't they use it? It is clearly an excellent resource in my area. Also I could post plenty of other comparisons throughout that region and neighboring countries. What is wrong with wanting Apple to improve their maps in my area? I want people who come to our town as a vacation or retirement destination to be able to find the hospital, the gas station, the banks or the language school, etc.

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Who is he kidding? It may work within 20 miles of Silicon Valley but Apple maps is still a disaster in the rest of the world.

I'm about as far from Apple headquarters as one can be and it has not once been a disaster. Go back to papa googes.

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post #74 of 137
I have used apple maps in beta and in the gm version and never had any issues with it at all in all kinds of different areas ranging from city to small towns to out in the middle of nowhere.
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As someone who lives in another part of the world, you are incorrect.  I've used Apple Maps exclusively since launch and have never had an issue in Southern Ontario (Canada).
I live in Hong Kong and commute to my place in Australia once or twice a month. I travel 20 days a month to most of the rest of the world in the course of my job. I cannot use Apple Maps as it almost never can find my destinations because the map data is inadequate.
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Who is he kidding? It may work within 20 miles of Silicon Valley but Apple maps is still a disaster in the rest of the world.
I live in Australia and Apple Maps works very good.
Sure there are some issues, but google maps also has issues.
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Are you just being a jealous Android/Windows user or do you have valid RECENT data.  Like anything that requires 3rd party data, Apple gets updates for their Maps app on a regular basis.  I know if you have a bad experience one day, that you might not recheck it.  But so far, in MY area, which is well over 120 miles away from Apple HQ, I have not had any issues.  I've done my own comparisons between Apple, Google Maps and others (I haven't tried Waze yet) and I have found Apple to be better in MY area.  I also like the fact that there are little icons of places like restaurants, gas stations, etc. which Google does not.

I've also checked out photos of places that were posted as being poorly rendered and they fixed them, so the Hoover Dam road doesn't look weird like it USED to.

So, the only thing I can say is, check your area on a monthly basis, and send in via the app fixes.  It takes time to fix whatever problems there are, as like everything things don't happen in a vacuum or over night, it takes time.

But in terms of just the user interface, Google does a bad job IMO.  They can't even get YouTube to have a decent interface.  I have still yet to find a Google app that actually has a nice interface.  To me, that's as important as the accuracy, security, and how fast it works.
You hit the nail on he head.
All google's stuff has really terrible UI, who the hell are their designers?
They keep on changing YouTube (the only part of google I touch), for no apparent benefit.
I don't have that garbage flash installed and before I could filter by WebM, now that's gone.
Stop defending crap people, tear away your loyalties and be unbiased. Call crap what it is, crap.
I think Apple's web site is crap, it used to be better, now it's hard to do the simple and easy things.
I could redesign it to be much better than it is now. Same with iTunes.
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In the late '70's I used to be in the U.S. Navy. Mostly in the Med. Whenever a Russian destroyer was in the vicinity, they would go out of their way to cut across our bow (that's the "pointy" end for you non-sailors). Not too close and they would dump their trash so we would go thru it.

The reaction on our bridge was always the same..no big deal, it just seemed infantile and unnecessary. 

It's hopefully not intentional on Google's part.

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Ever thought why they did that?
Perhaps being surrounded with pro-US enemies armed to the teeth, ready to destroy your country and kill your loved ones. I think throwing trash is minor, don't you? I bet you never did that ??????????
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driving test orchestrated by columnist John C. Dvorak.

 

And that's where this lost credibility. Sorry, John, but I stopped trusting your word after one too many complete BS statements on TWiT.

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