Apple's Schiller speaks out against Android on eve of Galaxy S4 debut - Page 5

Originally Posted by AppleInsider 
"When you take an Android device out of the box, you have to sign up to nine accounts with different vendors to get the experience iOS comes with," he said. "They don't work seamlessly together."

Anyone besides mstone taken the time to figure out what he may have meant by this? I'm not sure it's right, either.

Originally Posted by Rayz 
"Hello, Security? Yeah, could you send someone upstairs? Make sure he's big and make sure he's got a bathrobe or something..."

"Hi, this is Security here. We've received your complaint about the naked man in the middle of a firestorm and we'd like to let you know that we're working on the situation right now. Your complaints are very important to us, please stay on the line."

*mellow muzak*

Originally Posted by KDarling 
It's like you have some kind of weird forum version of Munchausen-by-proxy syndrome.  You make up your own attacks against Apple ahead of time, and then cry foul over them.

Sounds to me like he has written a generalized version of, oh, what happens every single time Apple releases a new product with a new feature.

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Originally Posted by anonymouse 

I love it when the trolls turn on each other.

And likewise the readers here enjoy it when you so clearly have nothing of substance to add to a topic that you reduce your posts to mere name-calling.

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Originally Posted by Mars123 

How is having the latest OS even a feature if its a step back (apple maps)? if look isn't important why do apple fans always brag about "oh iphones look premium"? Couldn't come up with a single feature ios has that android doesn't have huh? Yea, its a pain in the ass to manually copy links from safari and pasting them on to chrome on my iPad. is it too much to ask to allow the users to set default apps (maps, browsers etc.)?

Not that it matters, but here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/03/five-features-we-wish-android-would-borrow-from-ios/

There would be more (I'm sure there are more, but I'm not about to waste my time researching and cross referencing features to satisfy such a lame argument from you.) but Google and Samsung have been so busy stealing from Apple.

(Edit: BTW, are we talking features that actually ship on most Android phones today? Because, you know, most of those "features" are theoretical on most phones. I know you wanted to ignore that point, but it won't go away.)

Feature fetishes aside, having spent some time using Android, it's not really a matter of feature counts, it's a matter of Androids fundamental paradigms being clunky, and most of the hardware it runs on cheap crap.

Apple Maps is a huge step forward and all objective evidence indicates that it's as good or better than Google maps in every important way. Best of all, it gets Google off your phone if you don't want it their

And, does a premium quality exterior shell cease being premium quality simply because it's nearly the same as last years? You have a very confused notion of quality vs. superficial appearance, but, that doesn't surprise me. You have some very confused notions, altogether.

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Originally Posted by MacRulez 

And likewise the readers here enjoy it when you so clearly have nothing of substance to add to a topic that you reduce your posts to mere name-calling.

Funny stuff. As usual, you have trouble keeping up.

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Originally Posted by Mars123 

That's a lame excuse for Apple not suing Google. Oracle sued Google for using Java in Android even though google doesn't profit from android. Apple knows they have absolutely no chance of beating Google in a court room. That's why they are suing a Korean company in a court 10 miles from their HQ with local Jury. If Android was stolen, SJ would have sued Google way back in 2009. Its crazy everyone on Apple sites claim "Google stole android" yet no one can show any concrete proof. 

Oracle has no option but to sue Google because their lawsuit involves operating system internals (SDKs).  There's no way they could sue Samsung or others over things in the Android development environment.

Apple, OTOH, is using hardware and user interface design patents -- things which are directly visible in the products made using Android.  So even though it could very well be that, technically, a user interface patent violation stems from something within Android itself (and not from what Samsung has added to it), a non-technical person would only see it as Samsung's product itself violating the patent.

So the proof is in the fact that a number of products built using Android have had user interface design patent cases filed against them.

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Originally Posted by MacRulez 

Only at AI do people believe Apple prevailed in that case.  In the outside world, the court records are sufficient evidence of what happened in the court.

 

The situation with Xerox v Apple is very much like Apple v Microsoft:  in both cases a license agreement nullified most claims, with the remainder dismissed under other factors, such as failing on an "originality basis":

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_v_microsoft#Court_case

Where exactly did I say that Apple prevailed in anything?  What I said is that, Apple actually gave Xerox _something_ for access to their labs.  Whereas Microsoft didn't give anything in exchange for the same privilege.

Did Apple get a great bargain?  No question.  Should Apple have patented the things they added to enhance the ideas they learned from Xerox so that they could effectively use them in the case against Microsoft?  Yes, but it's a moot point now.  Live and learn.

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Originally Posted by anonymouse 

 

Funny stuff. As usual, you have trouble keeping up.

Find any post from me consisting of only name-calling and I'll apologize to you here publicly.

In the meantime, we all know where the apology is due...

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Originally Posted by Flaneur 

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I know, it started out with DaHarder and went downhill from there. That's an accomplishment, downhill from there.

Thanks to igriv, MacRulez, Mars 123 for leading the descent. Good job! See you later this morning after the Samsung dance numbers.

Is it me, or do some of these posters act like they're atheists shouting to convince christians not to be christians...and worse, shouting in a library, not in a christian church.  And the people in the library are like, "shut the f*** up!"

:-)

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Originally Posted by Flaneur 

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I know, it started out with DaHarder and went downhill from there. That's an accomplishment, downhill from there.

Thanks to igriv, MacRulez, Mars 123 for leading the descent. Good job! See you later this morning after the Samsung dance numbers.

I laughed out loud.

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Originally Posted by chazwatson 

 

I laughed out loud.

Me too, but perhaps for different reasons.

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Originally Posted by igriv 

 

And with an iPhone, you need a phone plan, an Apple ID (with a credit card, so you can buy apps), a google account so you can read your mail, a Dropbox account so as to make a lot of the apps useful. What's the difference?

Why do you need a Google account?

Did you see Google are dumping open source CalDav support in favour of their own closed calendar API?

More of the usual hypocritical behaviour.

Now run along and drink your KoolAid and do a few more 'Google is not evil' chants.

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Originally Posted by igriv 

 

If you don't want the free storage, you don't have to sign up. Note that in iOS you get NOTHING for free (I am paying $100 a year for iCloud storage, which is more expensive than dropbox and google drive (both of which I have), and worse than either one. For office docs SkyDrive is way better (and you get plenty of storage for free with Office 365).

I've got Skydrive and Dropbox and FREE iCloud, I've got iPhones and Android phones, where did the ridiculous idea come from that because you use one thing, you can't use another?

Originally Posted by AppleInsider 
"Android is often given [as] a free replacement for a feature phone and the experience isn't as good as an iPhone," he said.

So funny to see all the commotion that Schiller's interview created.

When Schiller speaks, people listen.  When Ballmer speaks, crickets chirp.

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Originally Posted by anonymouse 

Kawasaki is a professional shill now working for Google (Motorola), so his "opinion" is of no value.

Google isn't listed as an employer at either his Wikipedia page or at LinkedIn.

Citation needed.

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Originally Posted by MacRulez 

Google isn't listed as an employer at either his Wikipedia page or at LinkedIn.

 

Citation needed.

It was really recent.

http://www.androidguys.com/2013/03/01/former-apple-guy-kawasaki-hired-to-advise-google-owned-motorola/

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Originally Posted by Gatorguy 

It was really recent.

http://www.androidguys.com/2013/03/01/former-apple-guy-kawasaki-hired-to-advise-google-owned-motorola/

Thanks, Gatorguy.  Once again you come up with actual facts while others here have only innuendo.

Interestingly, the article is from March 2013, and describes his advisory role with Google as a very recent thing.

Kawasaki's been a fan of Android for years, so the relationship appears to be exactly backwards from what detractors describe:  Kawasaki isn't a fan of Android because Google's paying him, Google's paying him because he's already a fan of Android.

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Originally Posted by Techstalker 

Weird when I got my nexus 4.

All i needed to do was enter my password.
- Google already knew my email since I got it from the play store. Does apple do that.

All my music (with play music),
all my books (play books)
all my documents (google drive)
all my email (gmail),
all my apps (android apps),
all my movies and shows (play movies and shows),
all my magazines (play magazines)
all my maps (google maps)
all my videos (youtube)
booksmarks, searches, and tabs (chrome)
WERE WAITING FOR ME

Oh to top it all off opened google now, it had the schedule to my next class, how long it would take to get there, a buy ticket card for the movie trailer i watched on youtube, and a card to my buddy house for his birthday party the next day.

ALL of this was done with one password, i didnt even need to enter an email address.

This guy needs to shut up and lay off the crack pipe.

Wow, all these really make me want to try Samsung Galaxy.  Schiller should've just tell users to wait and see when iphone6 comes out (eh, maybe 5s will be out first, I don't think any wow will come with it.).  After all, consumers are the ones who make the final decision about which one to purchase.  (I still think Apple will follow its competitor to come out with a large screen phone, maybe the 6 or 6s.)

Originally Posted by kcartesius 
How can you take a powerful, well-connected and very wealthy person seriously who doesn't have the bugs on his own face fixed?

So his opinion is null and void because he has a wart?

I don't think it humanly possible to be any more vain. 

So you ignore Ballmer already because he's bald and Woz because he's fat. What about Cook? Schmidt? Whoever runs RIM these days?

Schiller seems out of touch. His reasons for switchers is milk toast. I bought an iPhone when it was first introduced. The reason is clear, I was an avid Apple fan. I "switched" to a Samsung Galaxy about two years ago. The most compelling thing about a Samsung on Android is when I plugged in the phone it was treated by the OS like a hard drive. I could open and browse every file on the phone on my desktop. That is huge to me. Copying files was a breeze. I don't care who you are, going through Itunes is a pain in the ass. Don't deny it or you would be lying. Every person I have talked with about it acknowledges it. 

I have switched back to the iphone 5 because I am developing an app for Iphone. It's impressive but I was quickly reminded of how I feel trapped in the iPhone world. 

Originally Posted by DaveMontague 
I don't care who you are, going through Itunes is a pain in the ass.

The idea there is to get high technology into the hands of people who couldn't give a flying frick about directory trees, nor should they have to.

I deny it. Quit trolling.