Apple's Schiller speaks out against Android on eve of Galaxy S4 debut - Page 2

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Originally Posted by kevt 

 

You've quoted the 2 extra - a Samsung and DropBox account. I'm curious, if anyone knows what the nine are - or is this exaggeration?

 

I wouldn't crow about 'having to sign up the dropbox account'. iCloud is so poor for document sharing, even with (or especially with) Apple's iWork suite, that DropBox or similar is pretty mandatory for a lot of iOS users. 

 

Edit: I guess Amazon for eBooks could be another one.

You don't even need to sign up for Dropbox for document sharing. Google Documents does it just fine under that single Google account.

And Google has a bookstore under the single Google account just as Apple does. :)

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Originally Posted by Rogifan 

The media will put a negative spin on this of course, but I'm glad someone from Apple is finally fighting back.

Keep in mind that this is Apple we're talking about. The same people complaining that Apple should be fighting back are the same people who will now say it's beneath Apple to talk about the competition. This very thread contains some of that already. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. That's the fate of anything Apple says or does these days.

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Originally Posted by Mars123 

Guy Kawasaki, Apple evangelist, one of the biggest apple fans uses Android. Recently on an interview he said he owns zero iOS devices. Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple uses android device. If these people believe android is superior than iOS, then I do not think Schiller and his "Internal study done by apple" doesn't have much credibility. 

2 things:

1. One might say that just proves how incredible Apple is...that both people you mentioned, despite their PERSONAL preferences, believe that Apple is still better for the masses.

2. So you think Guy and Steve are your typical mobile/computing device users? 

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Originally Posted by Chemicle 

I'm with Akleskater. The last thing someone should do is try and tell the world how much better their products are prior to a rivals launch. 9 accounts? PLEASE. Even I he was being rhetorical, it sounded foolish. Complaining about Android means he's giving them attention. I for one love apple products, but incremental improvements like thinner... Slightly bigger screen etc is lame. The competition is leaving Apple behind because apple seems to have forgotten how to innovate. My next phone is the S4

Sony Xperia Z and the HTC One seem a lot better, too bad they don't have the budget to overhype their products and reel in the punters.

Been seeing a lot of Galaxy S 2's and III's coming in for repairs lately, they just switch off, won't charge and fail to boot.

Samsung products never seem to last, they are masters of planned obsolescence.

Let see what Samsung is going to unveil tomorrow.  I bet you that it a Galaxy S4 phone with the same design as the previous Galaxy S model but with bigger specs and minor upgrade. 

And if Steve Jobs was still with us on this earth Schiller wouldn't even dare to even think about doing this stun he doing.

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Originally Posted by MacRulez 

Yes, "citing Apple research".

 

He couldn't find any company in the world other than his own to back up such a claim?

So companies shouldn't do research to find out who is switching away from them or why?

Stop the presses, the word is ending.

I'm with Schiller now Google has just announced they are killing off Reader. 

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Originally Posted by eksodos 

 

You don't even need to sign up for Dropbox for document sharing. Google Documents does it just fine under that single Google account.

 

And Google has a bookstore under the single Google account just as Apple does. :)

I guess it's Samsung's (and HTC's) way of distancing themselves from Google, log in on some Samsung phones and you get 48GB extra free for two years, HTC it's 23GB extra.

Samsung phone's also come with Navigon in some countries, although why they need an alternative to the oh so perfect Google Maps is beyond me.

Then there's Picassa and Google's constant demands to join Google +

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Originally Posted by hill60 

 

I guess it's Samsung's (and HTC's) way of distancing themselves from Google, log in on some Samsung phones and you get 48GB extra free for two years, HTC it's 23GB extra.

 

Samsung phone's also come with Navigon in some countries, although why they need an alternative to the oh so perfect Google Maps is beyond me.

 

Then there's Picassa and Google's constant demands to join Google +

The crapware that gets shovelled onto Android phones by device makers is more than annoying. Some of the crap they put on these phones cannot ever be removed unless you jailbreak and root your devices. And rooting your phones locks you out of using some great streaming content services. I'm sure it gives them a little extra margin on every sale, but it does add legitimacy to the argument that Apple cares far more about the user experience than a Sony or Samsung does. Obviously if this is important to me then I should just buy a Nexus device. But I much prefer the looks of the devices Sony is making atm to the Nexus stuff - crapware and lackof updates is making me reconsider though.

While he may be right, I've had every iPhone since the first one and my iPhone 5 is boring. I'm bored.

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Originally Posted by drewys808 

One might say that just proves how incredible Apple is...that both people you mentioned, despite their PERSONAL preferences, believe that Apple is still better for the masses.

Citation needed.

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Originally Posted by hill60 

 

So companies shouldn't do research to find out who is switching away from them or why?

 

Stop the presses, the word is ending.

Of course Apple is free to spend their money however they want.  It just makes his case less compelling that he was unable to find anyone outside of his company who agrees with him.

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Originally Posted by igriv 

... I have an Android Kindle, and I did not have to sign up with anyone. ...

There's no such thing as an "Android Kindle".

Someone in the investor forums here was saying recently they needed to trot the SVPs out more often to get them to talk. Well, here's what you get. :) I'd rather they keep quiet like usual.

MG Siegler nails it:

http://parislemon.com/post/45296305631/apple-goes-on-the-defensive-against-samsung

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Originally Posted by eksodos 

 

The crapware that gets shovelled onto Android phones by device makers is more than annoying. Some of the crap they put on these phones cannot ever be removed unless you jailbreak and root your devices. And rooting your phones locks you out of using some great streaming content services. I'm sure it gives them a little extra margin on every sale, but it does add legitimacy to the argument that Apple cares far more about the user experience than a Sony or Samsung does. Obviously if this is important to me then I should just buy a Nexus device. But I much prefer the looks of the devices Sony is making atm to the Nexus stuff - crapware and lackof updates is making me reconsider though.

To be fair, I find it damned annoying that I can't remove some of the unwanted and unused apple Apps on my iPhone. Can't even hide them. And when someone produces an App to do this, it gets withdrawn from the App store.

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Originally Posted by lkrupp 

 

Keep in mind that this is Apple we're talking about. The same people complaining that Apple should be fighting back are the same people who will now say it's beneath Apple to talk about the competition. This very thread contains some of that already. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. That's the fate of anything Apple says or does these days.

That's not coming from me.  Seems like the iHaters and Fandroids flock to these threads.  Oh and the concern trolls who always make sure to remind us how long they've been an Apple fan and how many Apple products they've owned over the years. 

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Originally Posted by Chemicle 

I'm with Akleskater. The last thing someone should do is try and tell the world how much better their products are prior to a rivals launch. 9 accounts? PLEASE. Even I he was being rhetorical, it sounded foolish. Complaining about Android means he's giving them attention. I for one love apple products, but incremental improvements like thinner... Slightly bigger screen etc is lame. The competition is leaving Apple behind because apple seems to have forgotten how to innovate. My next phone is the S4

Good luck with that.  Their version of innovation is putting features that are available for free on the iPhone as features in Android and having your supplier to buy out the company that has offered it for years earlier on the iPhone. (Swype)  Even speech was a copy because it was an undocumented feature for the hearing impaired on all of my iPhones and before that on Every Mac since 2001.  He was clearly contacted for this interview. If he said no comment then you would be claiming he is running scared.  I think they love what is happening. Under estimate them again.  They have brought forth industry changing products for over 30 years.  They take time and will not show up every year or two.  They are working on the next real market that no one is even thinking about.  Remember they had prototypes for the iPad a decade before its release.  the only way they are being beat is supposed sales that the only one succeeding, Samsung conveniently stopped reporting in mid 2012.  All of a sudden they are blowing Apple away in "shipments".  They were so close to beating apple in 2011 and did in 2012 but the numbers released in the trail says they only actually sold a fraction of what Apple sold to consumers.  If you feel innovation is larger screens which by the way are far easier to make, since you don't have to miniaturize the internals, then the S4 is all yours.  You'll be back, unless you are just to proud to admit mistakes.

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Originally Posted by fastasleep 

Someone in the investor forums here was saying recently they needed to trot the SVPs out more often to get them to talk. Well, here's what you get. :) I'd rather they keep quiet like usual.

 

MG Siegler nails it:

http://parislemon.com/post/45296305631/apple-goes-on-the-defensive-against-samsung

That was me, but this isn't necessarily what I meant.  I don't have a problem with what Schiller said but using the WSJ to get it out was a strange choice.  WSJ is one of the most anti-Apple publications out there. Almost as bad, if not worse than Forbes and Business Insider.  No one will pay attention to what Schiller said as they won't read beyond the "Apple on the defensive" headline. 

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Originally Posted by MacRulez 

Citation needed.

Did you even bother to read what my response was to:

"If these people believe android is superior than iOS, then I do not think Schiller and his "Internal study done by apple" doesn't have much credibility."

Responding to opinion with opinion...ever heard of it?

Citation?...don't waste my time.  idjit.

Such over the top reactions to comments about what Phil says about the competition during an interview when Samsung sinks to commercials that outright lie and belittle the people they are trying to get to switch to their product.  

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Originally Posted by kevt 

 

To be fair, I find it damned annoying that I can't remove some of the unwanted and unused apple Apps on my iPhone. Can't even hide them. And when someone produces an App to do this, it gets withdrawn from the App store.

Why don't you drop them all into a single "Unused" folder on your last page of apps? Is that *seriously* that big of an eyesore?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


I've defended the marketing speak from Google and other execs against Apple many, many times before on this forum. It's irrelevant to his comment what Google has that Apple doesn't. His comment was squarely about matching the experience of iOS and since you've admitted that Google doesn't have aspect that iOS has natively you can't simply say that your opinion on the best music store or features Android has that iOS doesn't in some way replaces the experience that Schiller is talking about. You simply can't win that argument. All you can say is 1) that you can't think of 9 accounts that would be needed to match the experience of iOS, and 2) that you think the Android experience is better; but you can't say he's lying, especially with the criteria given, you can only say you think he made it up, which is very different.

ok...got call it as I see it...I prefer IOS over Android....no buts no slamming either platform. But what is the diference between lying and making stuff up?

Edit FWIW...I have had every iPhone except the first one......i have had probably 10 Android phones. I spend a LOT of money phones. But in my Android experience I have never had to sign into 9 different accounts or whatever to get the same functionality as my iPhone.

I agree, it's just a phone.  

But it's moment of the shift.

This is the "shift to Windows 95" moment, when Apple's elegant but higher priced phone/tablet offerings start to become marginalized by a competitor who is ever faster, more nimble, cheaper, and more frantic in its offerings.  

Big screen, small screen, glasses, watch, e-paper: Samsung and Android will win it all.  

I've never owned a PC in my life.  I've had iPhones since the first one.  I have stuck with APPL.

But the reality distortion is gone, and I see Samsung/Android/Google not only taking over but driving Apple to extinction like a slowly evolving dinosaur that struggles to come up with a 5s while the competish has mutated randomly with blinding speed and variety to become top predator.

Ugh.  Selling APPL tomorrow (unless some wiser person convinces me otherwise lol).

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 

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Originally Posted by MacRulez 

 

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Originally Posted by drewys808 

One might say that just proves how incredible Apple is...that both people you mentioned, despite their PERSONAL preferences, believe that Apple is still better for the masses.

 

Citation needed.

 

Why didn't you ask Phil for his citation? Or do you naively accept his claims at face value because they're pro-Apple?

What are you talking about?

I asked drewys808 for a citation on his claim about Wozniak and Kawasaki.  Schiller didn't mention either of them at all.

Unless you're sockpuppeting that account, I wasn't writing to you.

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Originally Posted by Rogifan 

That was me, but this isn't necessarily what I meant.  I don't have a problem with what Schiller said but using the WSJ to get it out was a strange choice.  WSJ is one of the most anti-Apple publications out there. Almost as bad, if not worse than Forbes and Business Insider.  No one will pay attention to what Schiller said as they won't read beyond the "Apple on the defensive" headline. 

Yeah, I know it's not what you meant really. :)  I wonder actually what was omitted from the full interview, if they just cherry picked a few statements, put a spinny headline on it, and shipped it. Not sure Schiller used them, it may have been the other way around — though I can't imagine he wouldn't have seen that coming from the WSJ given their track recent track record.

If I were Apple, I'd just release something out of nowhere tomorrow to eat up headlines. Maybe we'll get iWork, new displays, and a Mac Pro tomorrow. :)

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Originally Posted by jungmark 

So you found research that contradicts this?

Really?  That's where you're going with this?

So anyone can make any claim they want, and it's up to everyone else to prove it's false rather than just ask for any substantiating data from the original claimant?

That's rich.  Not surprising here, but entertaining just the same.

Look, I'm right there with you in recognizing how sad it is that this man can't find anyone, anyone at all, who has data to support his claims.  But need we turn logic on its head to try to make sense of his defensiveness?

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

Just to make sure I have it right:

- If Apple doesn't say anything about how much better they are, they must not believe in their own products. They need to talk more about their products.

- If Apple DOES talk about their products and the competition, they're whiny and sound defensive, so they shouldn't do that.

Either way, Apple is doomed.

Did I get it right?

Apparently not.

For starters, the word "doomed" is unique to your contribution to this thread.

But moreover, no matter what Schiller thought he was doing, he gave one more headline to Samsung's launch, and the outside world has correctly noted that he sounds defensive.

Worse, with his comment about needing "nine accounts" he's portrayed Apple to investors and the press as a company so insular that they have no idea what their competition actually looks like.

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

Just to make sure I have it right:

- If Apple doesn't say anything about how much better they are, they must not believe in their own products. They need to talk more about their products.

- If Apple DOES talk about their products and the competition, they're whiny and sound defensive, so they shouldn't do that.

Either way, Apple is doomed.

Did I get it right?

What Apple should do is steal Samsung's thunder and announce the iPhone 5s like....in the next week