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S. Jobs had exagerated too. However he is dead and everyone forgot about it. No need to make a big story about that.

And do not forget that the people leading Apple have been put in place by S.Jobs himself.
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What are you talking about?

 

I asked drewys808 for a citation on his claim about Wozniak and Kawasaki.  Schiller didn't mention either of them at all.

 

Unless you're sockpuppeting that account, I wasn't writing to you.


Do you know how to read message threads?  It wasn't my (Drewys808) claim, it was Mars123.  Reread and call me back later...not.

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ok...got call it as I see it...I prefer IOS over Android....no buts no slamming either platform. But what is the diference between lying and making stuff up?
Edit FWIW...I have had every iPhone except the first one......i have had probably 10 Android phones. I spend a LOT of money phones. But in my Android experience I have never had to sign into 9 different accounts or whatever to get the same functionality as my iPhone.

1) The operative words are "he is" v. "I think." So my comment reads the same if it's, " ...but you can't say he's [making it up], especially with the criteria given, you can only say you think he [is lying], which is very different.

2) I think it's highly questionable that there are 9 different account you need to equal what Schiller thinks makes for the same user experience. For me, the more accounts there are the less of a good user experience it becomes. I've stated many times that I hate that when I setup a new iDevice you have to input your username and password many times to turn on all the features. Frankly it's annoying and less seamless than I think it should be. It's more convenient that it's one username and password but it's still weakens the UX a bit.

3) Note that I've made the same argument for Google's Android activation numbers. I've questioned how they are derived but I have not asserted that they are outright lies with no statistical data to back them up, only that the info given on how they are derived is less than complete.

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So what? He has fat fingers and no taste.

Edit: Bless him, I just recalled that he dropped and broke his first iPhone 4 review unit. At least he told the story publicly. But he has fumbling fingers. His main complaint about the iPhone was that he kept turning on the dictation by accidently hitting the microphone"key." Lots of people commented that they never do that. I don't either.

 

What the ****? I do a shitload of typing on the iPhone and not ONCE have I triggered the microphone key by accident. I'm pretty sure you can easily disable the key from the settings. 

 

I love how there's been quite a few high profile "why I switched from iPhone to Android" blog posts, from people desperately seeking attention, when the truth is that many, many more people switch the other way around, but don't need to make articles about it. Oh, and Andy has been trolling Apple for a few years now.  

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Wow, all the losers have come out today. Half this thread is on my block list.

 

Don't really care what Phil said or what the GS4 will have tomorrow. I use an iPhone 5 and whatever Samsung puts in the GS4 doesn't change how well my iPhone operates. I'll still get better service/support and I still have higher quality Apps. Android's problem isn't the hardware - it's the software. So even if the GS4 has awesome hardware it's still crippled by the Android ecosystem.

 

Google I/O is the bigger announcement since we'll see what Google has in store for Android itself. It was true in the 60's and it's true today: hardware is useless without software to run on it.

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post #87 of 183

One more thing... ;)

 

Why is everyone talking about Phil making the claim about "logging in 9 times"?

 

Right, because nobody wants to talk about his other comments like fragmentation or the fact most Android devices are on a 2 year old OS. Let's pick apart a minor "comment" and avoid the real issues, which Phil is 100% correct about.

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^ Who cares what Wozniak or anyone else said. You guys sound as stupid as those who find a famous evangelical pastor who becomes an atheist and therefore that proves there's no God. Or the reverse. You can always find people who like either side or people who have switched. Even famous people.

 

Let's talk about what Phil said. Do any of you "experts" want to disect his comment about fragmentation or that most Android users are on a 2 year old OS?

 

Any takers? Probably not.

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^ Who cares what Wozniak or anyone else said. You guys sound as stupid as those who find a famous evangelical pastor who becomes an atheist and therefore that proves there's no God. Or the reverse. You can always find people who like either side or people who have switched. Even famous people.

Let's talk about what Phil said. Do any of you "experts" want to disect his comment about fragmentation or that most Android users are on a 2 year old OS?

Any takers? Probably not.

Woz never had the Apple mindset. He was a brilliant monkey controlled by Jobs but he was still his monkey. Jobs is the one that wanted to make the computer easier and more fluid for everyone while Woz was worried about how to enginneer it. Nothing wrong with that but for people to quote Woz as if he's agreed with they did with the Mac, what Jobs did with NeXT, and what Jobs did upon coming back to Apple is BS. He's always been the tinkerer and that simply isn't the kind of home-grown experience Apple is trying to offer the masses.

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post #91 of 183

Of course, "who cares what Wozniak said", except if Wozniak wasn't there, Steve Jobs would probably be selling Apples instead of apple computers. You value the opinion of a marketing guy more than that of the co-founder of Apple simply because he doesn't agree with you? I don't see any former Google employee switching from android to iOS, but the reverse is true. Goes to show how much better iOS is compared to android. 

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I really don't understand what drewys808 is trying to say. How does Wozniak and Kawasaki switching to android prove iOS is more superior? 1rolleyes.gif

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Keep in mind that this is Apple we're talking about. The same people complaining that Apple should be fighting back are the same people who will now say it's beneath Apple to talk about the competition. This very thread contains some of that already. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. That's the fate of anything Apple says or does these days.

APPL hasn't said or done anything since SJ...just look at their press releases on the website...one of the most recent posts is an apology for the maps fiasco and the iPhone5 that no-one "had" to have! My iPhone 4S is just as cool, or cooler and the shares i bought at $520 will take until the next Pope retires just to break even.

Cook and Co look exactly like RCA right now and are a crew of whiney wannabes with MBAs...SJ was Edison or Da Vinci, and Cook is Al Gore.
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Of course, "who cares what Wozniak said", except if Wozniak wasn't there, Steve Jobs would probably be selling Apples instead of apple computers. You value the opinion of a marketing guy more than that of the co-founder of Apple simply because he doesn't agree with you? I don't see any former Google employee switching from android to iOS, but the reverse is true. Goes to show how much better iOS is compared to android. 

You don't think Jobs would have found other brilliant people to build the best products in that market? You think Jobs would have simply gotten a job as shift manager at a grocery store if he didn't meet Woz?

So what did Woz have to do with the creation of NeXT? What did Woz have to do with Apple buying NeXT? What did Woz have to do with Apple still existing past 1997?

I'm willing to listen to your thoughts on how Woz is secretly responsible for the success Apple has shown in Macs, iPod, iPhones, and iPads in the last decade and how Jobs get none of that credit but I think you'll come up very, very short in that argument.

Bottom line is that Woz is not aligned with Apple's focus, with their vision, with their direction. He is aligned with the idealistic concept of "open" because that's how he thinks but it's not how Apple thinks and the masses aren't looking for root access to their phones when they walk into an Apple Store.

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How funny would it be if Apple released a new MacPro or something totally left field tomorrow to shit on Android's razzle dazzle.  lol.gif

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APPL hasn't said or done anything since SJ...

So no iPhone 5? So no Lightning connector after a decade with the 30-pin connector? No iPad 3? No iPad 4? No iPad mini? No Retina MacBook Pros? No new iMacs? No new MBAs? No acknowledgment of a new Mac Pro in 2013? That's a whole lotta nothin'.

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Actually, what Mars123 wrote was:

Kawasaki, Wozniak, and more recently Ihnakto, have all been quite public about their enjoyment of Android; no citation needed there.

 

In reply, you wrote:

It was that claim, that Kawasaki and Wozniak currently "believe that Apple is still better for the masses", that could benefit from a citation, because it seems to contradict so much of what they've both written in recent years.

 

indeed, just to make sure everyone could follow along easily, in the very post you're replying to now I took the time to assemble the complete conversation.

 

And yet here we are.

 

So could you kindly point us to anything either of those men have written which would explain how your description of them appears to contradict so many things they've said to the contrary?


So let me keep it simple and repeat what I already stated.

 

I'm responding to (Mars123's) opinion with opinion.  Mars123 had an opinion/interpretation of Guy and Steve.

 

I don't need a citation to voice a contrasting opinion/interpretation.  I'll respond to Mars123, but done with your silly antics.

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So no iPhone 5? So no Lightning connector after a decade with the 30-pin connector? No iPad 3? No iPad 4? No iPad mini? No Retina MacBook Pros? No new iMacs? No new MBAs? No acknowledgment of a new Mac Pro in 2013? That's a whole lotta nothin'.

Ok when does this obvious troll get banned?

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So no iPhone 5? So no Lightning connector after a decade with the 30-pin connector? No iPad 3? No iPad 4? No iPad mini? No Retina MacBook Pros? No new iMacs? No new MBAs? No acknowledgment of a new Mac Pro in 2013? That's a whole lotta nothin'.

 

You forgot the A6 and A6X, Apple's custom designed ARM processors. Even the almighty Samsung doesn't design their own processors - they build ARM reference designs.

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I am not taking anything away from Steve Jobs. He is on a level of his own. But I do believe Wozniak's opinion as a co-founder of apple is more valuable than a marketing guy claiming his internal report shows 4x more people switches from android to iOS.

 

Also, I don't think Jobs searched and found Steve Wozniak. It was because they were friends that Apple existed. I doubt Jobs would have gone and searched for someone else had Wozniak not been there to begin with. 

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How funny would it be if Apple released a new MacPro or something totally left field tomorrow to shit on Android's razzle dazzle.  lol.gif

LOL that would be funny. It would look very defensive but it would be funny. I'm expecting an event to happen soon for the Mac Pro, AirPort routers, Mac OS X and some other stuff as soon as March 20th. Maybe we'll get an event notification tomorrow. That would at least be "coincidental" like this interview with Schiller the day before the Samsung event.

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You forgot the A6 and A6X, Apple's custom designed ARM processors. Even the almighty Samsung doesn't design their own processors - they build ARM reference designs.

I forgot a lot of things. I don't think I mentioned any software specifically even though the Retina MBPs did require extensive Mac OS changes and apps had to be updated to support it.

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...runs through the middle of this incredible thread war wearing absolutely nothing and waving his pants round and round his head!

Woo hoo!!!!
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I really don't understand what drewys808 is trying to say. How does Wozniak and Kawasaki switching to android prove iOS is more superior? 1rolleyes.gif

...because in my opinion (not backed by citation, MacRulz...haha!) someone's personal choice may be different from what they advocate for others.  Example: I have a 1983 BMW M3 that I love to fix up and drive, but for most of my friends (or strangers for that matter) who have family, I'd encourage them to get a Lexus GX instead.  A Lexus GS is probably "more superior" for them.

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Eric are you serious? Apple's custom designed ARM processors.How about Samsung custom designed Exynos processor? Last I checked, samsung still makes majority of apple chips. I guess Apple needs samsung more than Samsung needs Apple. 

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Eric are you serious? Apple's custom designed ARM processors.How about Samsung custom designed Exynos processor? Last I checked, samsung still makes majority of apple chips. I guess Apple needs samsung more than Samsung needs Apple. 

1) Makes, in the same sense that Foxconn makes most company's CE. They do not design it!

2) Yes, he is serious. Those are components that arrived when Tim Cook was in office which directly goes against TJRSV's claim that, "APPL hasn't said or done anything since SJ…" Why you wish to claim that Apple didn't design or release their ARM chips simply because Samsung has also designed their own chips makes no sense.

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post #108 of 183

Can someone please take a stab at which 9 accounts he is talking about. I tried to think of some but I'm not very familiar with Android, and came up quite a few short of 9.

 

Perhaps he means that not all the content is on Google Play so you need to sign up for some other obscure third party app stores as well.

 

I don't know how else to explain it.

 

Troubling...

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I never claimed Apple didn't design the Ax processor. Just like apple, Samsung also designs its own Exynos processor and they both use ARM architecture. The difference is Apple is dependent on Samsung to manufacture their chip while Samsung doesn't need Apple for anything. 

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If you don't want the free storage, you don't have to sign up. Note that in iOS you get NOTHING for free (I am paying $100 a year for iCloud storage, which is more expensive than dropbox and google drive (both of which I have), and worse than either one. For office docs SkyDrive is way better (and you get plenty of storage for free with Office 365).

Personally I like Back to My Mac. That way I have complete control over my files. I back them up as I see fit, log in from anywhere and work on the original file without any proprietary collaboration or sharing scenarios, etc. Perhaps it is not as full featured, but it supports any file type and helps with versioning. Storage is so ridiculously inexpensive now days, I don't see the advantage of using a third party cloud that may have downtime or privacy issues. That said, I have my own private file sharing application which I wrote and run from our data center. 

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I never claimed Apple didn't design the Ax processor. Just like apple, Samsung also designs its own Exynos processor and they both use ARM architecture. The difference is Apple is dependent on Samsung to manufacture their chip while Samsung doesn't need Apple for anything. 

1) Bullshit! You brought Samsung into the conversation to discredit Apple's achievement.

2) Bullshit! Samsung's ads, their marketing, their HW and SW designs are so similar to what Apple has done that you can't say it's just a coincidence. They took from Apple and took heavily. Whether it's illegal or not is irrelevant but they took from Apple. On top of that, where would Samsung be today without Apple changing up the smartphone market? Still copying the Blackberry, Nokia and Moto, I presume.

3) Apple is using Samsung right now and Samsung has the best ARM foundries for the quality and yield they need. These are production facilities only. They do not design anything for Apple. They aren't Apple's only chip manufacturer. Apple relies more on Foxconn as a sole production plant than anything to do with Samsung but I don't see you claiming Foxconn should get credit for Apple's success. Bullshit!

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Through the magic of rsync :) iCloud is definitely useful for some things (which is why I do use it), but Dropbox is great for having access to all your files everywhere. Google drive is slightly more clunky, but WAY cheaper (I have a terabyte for about the same as what I get 100GB on iCloud).

Sure but with Back to My Mac I can use applications without having another copy on my MBP.  I can open and save any of the proprietary files like Maya, and CS documents without having to buy another license.

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Huh?

I can't imagine what in my comment you don't understand so I'll restate it using simpler words to help you out.

Android can be forked. That means anyone — even you — can take Android and then make it your own OS. The Kindle Fire uses a forked version of Android. It's based on Android just like Android is Linux-based and iOS is Darwin-based off of BSD, hence my comment that you might as well call it an Amazon Linux tablet (and while you're at it call the iPhone an BSD smartphone) as both sound as equally foolish.

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Eric are you serious? Apple's custom designed ARM processors.How about Samsung custom designed Exynos processor? Last I checked, samsung still makes majority of apple chips. I guess Apple needs samsung more than Samsung needs Apple. 
Quite serious, and not only are you a poor troll, but an ill-informed one as well.

Apple designs the A6 and A6X (largely hand laid out, BTW). Apple has a license to produce ARM compatible chips. This is why the A6 isn't an A9 or A15 - it's a custom chip with elements of each. Qualcomm also does this.

Samsung doesn't. Their ARM chips are ARM reference designs. Samsung makes A9's, A15's and that's it. They don't make hybrid chips the way Apple and Qualcomm do. This puts Apple and Qualcomm ahead of Samsung who just copy existing designs. Apple is innovating by creating new versions of ARM processors that didn't exist before.

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Quite serious, and not only are you a poor troll, but an ill-informed one as well.

Apple designs the A6 and A6X (largely hand laid out, BTW). Apple has a license to produce ARM compatible chips. This is why the A6 isn't an A9 or A15 - it's a custom chip with elements of each. Qualcomm also does this.

Samsung doesn't. Their ARM chips are ARM reference designs. Samsung makes A9's, A15's and that's it. They don't make hybrid chips the way Apple and Qualcomm do. This puts Apple and Qualcomm ahead of Samsung who just copy existing designs. Apple is innovating by creating new versions of ARM processors that didn't exist before.

Good point but we can say Samsung designs their own ASIC, just not their own ARM chips, as far as I've seen.

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Sure but with Back to My Mac I can use applications without having another copy on my MBP.  I can open and save any of the proprietary files like Maya, and CS documents without having to buy another license.

 

Granted, that is very fine functionality.

Furthermore I have very strict rules about which IPs can access our datacenter network and using Back to my Mac I have a two tiered security layer protection, the first being my firewall rules which allow my office workstation and secondly Apple's iCloud shared device security on top of that. Without Back to My Mac I would not be able to access my datacenter files when on the road as the firewall rules would prevent it. With Back to My Mac it just works.

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Amazingly, I understood what you were saying, but could not believe that someone of your calibre could say something so patently idiotic. Amazon's android is (in essence) a skin on top of standard Android, and about two lines of configuration can, in fact, make it a fully functional android device. Amazon has some of their own functionality on the kindle, but the Amazon app store is a subset of the standard android store (can be made the whole store by changing the above-mentioned two lines). The UI not having with consuming amazon content is identical to any other android phone/tablet, and has very little to do with a garden-variety Red Hat server or a Ubuntu desktop (though it is true that you can ssh into a Kindle if you are really so inclined, and you can't into an iPhone.

Further, for a Kindle to be useful as a Kindle you HAVE to have an amazon account. That however, is all you need if all you want is a kindle, though if you want a general purpose tablet, a Google account comes in handy.

A fork is a fork. For example, Apple's A4 used ARM Cortex-A8. The A4 was their design but the Cortex-A8 came directly from ARM. Their later chips were considerably more custom to the point they can't even use Cortex-A9 and Cortex-A15 brands because they don't use them even those a great deal of their ARM components will be similar, if not the same, and it's still ARMv7 across the board.

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Schiller sounds like a whining baby complaining about competition instead of offering a legitimate product from his own company

No, it sounds like he is responding to a question he was asked during an interview.

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If you read the original WSJ piece, it's pretty obvious Schiller was mugged by these "journalists." There will be some repercussions. It was not an interview, it was a hit piece.
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What proof do you have that android stole from iOS? if Apple was so sure of that, why are they so scared to sue Google instead of crying and whining? 

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