Apple's Schiller: Samsung Galaxy S IV may 'ship with an OS that is nearly a year old' - Page 2

Well, Apple hasn't updated Mountain Lion for about 6months.

Apple.  Don't do this.  So disappointing. 

Originally Posted by Eric Hamel 
As much as I'm a fan of Apple products

Stopped reading right here.

Originally Posted by Neo42 
How about ALL of the execs just STFU and do their jobs?  

Then they get whined at for "not telling me anything". Be happy with whatever you get.

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Originally Posted by Rogifan 

I find the things Schiller has decided to speak out on a bit strange.  

Yeah, Steve would have just said 'they're building it wrong.' instead of getting into specifics.

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Originally Posted by crazy_mac_lover 

He is correct . Why buy an os a year ago ?

Oh?

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s4-release-date-news-and-features-1089523

If Schiller is lucky all the reporters claiming it'll run Android 4.2.1 (released in Nov. 2012) will be wrong, and instead it'll run 4.1.  Unlikely, but possible.

But here's a news flash for Schiller, that the rest of the world is less likely to overlook:  Apple's iOS has major updates only once a year on average:

iOS 1.0: June 2007

iOS 2.0: July 2008

iOS 3.0: June 2009

iOS 4.0: June 2010

iOS 5.0: June 2011

iOS 6.0: Sept 2012

And if it turns out he gets the version wrong, he'll have even more egg on his face than he did yesterday.

Someone reign that man in.  He's no Steve Jobs.  Every time he opens his mouth to make more headlines for Samsung, he's just making it worse.

That's cool of Schiller. So Android is ahead then, because iOS feels two years old (or more).

Which is more stale: iOS or Android?

Schiller is starting to sound like Steve Ballmer. Don't focus on great products. Just diss the competition.

Of course, Steve Jobs dissed the competition, but he was good at it. He seemed to be able to get away with it.

I wonder how solid that intel is about it shipping with 4.1 instead of 4.2. If Schiller is wrong that would be pretty embarrassing. 

Schiller is not really a good spokesperson for Apple. There is something just very uninspiring, bland, goofy, and he just doesn't come across as really bright even though I am sure he is. I think Apple needs to hire a new person for their events that is a really good speaker, has charisma, the looks, the ability to mesmerize the audience. It should not be a Steve Jobs clone by any means, but someone talented at public speaking capable of really giving a great presentation and Tim and Phil and no other Apple exec seems up to the job. 

Like others I think it looks better for Apple to ignore the competition, or if you attack pick some better criticisms. Your average consumer doesn't care about fragmentation or a year old OS as long as it works for them. But Apple better get on the ball with advertising. The new iPad commercials with words flashing quickly then with an annoying group speak of a word and that God awful music sucks. Worst part is they extended it to the iPhone as well. Either hire a new ad agency or tell the current one to get their head out of their asses and make some better adverts. Even Target, Sam Adams, Sprite, Google Chrome seem to be able make better commercials than Apple. They need to choose some better music. History Channel for example chose that song by radioactive called welcome to the new age that caught my attention so much that I looked it up and bought the song. I doubt anyone will be looking up the song for current Apple commercials. 

Here is that song:

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Originally Posted by bleh1234 

Same rehashed dated comment on multiple threads.

And just as accurate for all that.

The worldwide numbers are exactly that: Both the iPhone 5 and the 4s were larger than the SIII, whose numbers declined in that recent quarter.

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Originally Posted by Mars123 

Its not that apple doesn't play the volume game, Apple lost the volume game to samsung. Now all they have left is the profit margin. How is having a high profit margin good for the consumers? Doesn't it mean they are overcharging the customers for something that isn't worth as much? Why should consumers be happy that Apple makes the most profit off them if they buy an apple product? 

Apple has never played the "volume game" they play the profit game and continue to win that one handily.

Oh and on "volume"? Flagship smartphones world wide Apple outsold Samsung by a wide margin. SIII versus iPhone5? The iPhone had double the SIII's numbers. The iPhone 4 outsold the SIII as well.Yes Samsung totally beat Apple in washwer/dryer combinations sold: same with low end simpler phones that don't carry a good profit margin but bulk up unit sales numbers.

Is Samsung's business mission to simply hand out the most phones and NOT make any money? Amazon can actually do that becuase their Kindle is a loss leader to provide a nice focused gateway to their store where they expect to make back the investemnt in the Kindle distribution. Samsung doesn't do that. Does any phone hardware vendor also have a carrier network (the "store equivalent to Amazon..)? I'm not aware of any.

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Originally Posted by gwmac 

I wonder how solid that intel is about it shipping with 4.1 instead of 4.2. If Schiller is wrong that would be pretty embarrassing. 

 

Schiller is not really a good spokesperson for Apple. There is something just very uninspiring, bland, goofy, and he just doesn't come across as really bright even though I am sure he is. I think Apple needs to hire a new person for their events that is a really good speaker, has charisma, the looks, the ability to mesmerize the audience. It should not be a Steve Jobs clone by any means, but someone talented at public speaking capable of really giving a great presentation and Tim and Phil and no other Apple exec seems up to the job. 

 

Like others I think it looks better for Apple to ignore the competition, or if you attack pick some better criticisms. Your average consumer doesn't care about fragmentation or a year old OS as long as it works for them. But Apple better get on the ball with advertising. The new iPad commercials with words flashing quickly then with an annoying group speak of a word and that God awful music sucks. Worst part is they extended it to the iPhone as well. Either hire a new ad agency or tell the current one to get their head out of their asses and make some better adverts. Even Target, Sam Adams, Sprite, Google Chrome seem to be able make better commercials than Apple. They need to choose some better music. History Channel for example chose that song by radioactive called welcome to the new age that caught my attention so much that I looked it up and bought the song. I doubt anyone will be looking up the song for current Apple commercials. 

 

Here is that song:

 

I disagree "ignoring" the competition leaves THEM all the public awareness space to control the entire competitive dialog. Countering the competition is why it's called "competiton". IMHO 

The specific criticissms that got quoted were the editors choices from all accounts, when writers and editors want click-bait it's going to be hard to control. 

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Originally Posted by jfc1138 

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Originally Posted by gwmac 

 I think Apple needs to hire a new person for their events that is a really good speaker, has charisma, the looks, the ability to mesmerize the audience. It should not be a Steve Jobs clone by any means, but someone talented at public speaking capable of really giving a great presentation and Tim and Phil and no other Apple exec seems up to the job. 

If they did hire a presenter it would have to be somebody that was already pretty well known - sort of like hosting the Emmys. That way they could get around the tradition of someone high up in the management team giving the presentation. If they just hired some good looking but unknown sales/marketing guy it would be an admission of failure of the executive team.

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Originally Posted by Pooch 


care to elaborate, first time poster?

In regards to whether iOS feels dated I also agree. Let me say that I still prefer iOS to Android but not by as wide a margin as I used to.

Anyway, here is a wish list for iOS 7. Not my list but I agree with nearly all of them. My top choices would be a far better notification center with the ability to delete some notifications while leaving others from an app instead of the all or nothing approach now. I also really want some overlay or finder like app or setting to be able to sort apps and other files like we can do in OS X. It is getting harder and harder to find what I am looking for at times swiping through all these screens and folders. Surely Apple can think of a better way to quickly access what we are searching for when we don't know the name but might know other info like the size, app type, when it was downloaded for example. 

1. Easier access to Brightness, Wi-Fi, and BlueTooth [See Number 23]

2. Ability to view time from Notification Center "Tab" instead of having to pull down the whole shade (See Picture)

3. Live Icons for Weather and Clock

4. More functional Lock Screen, such as toggles for turning on the LED flash, and Settings.

5. Add more functionality to the Spotlight Search screen (See video)

6.Better Multitasking View (Viewing All Screens at once, similar to Mission Control)

7. Ability to reply to text messages, without having to leave the currently opened application

8. A "Kill All" button for the multitasking bar

9. Ability to set seconds in the Timer in the Clock Application

10. Ability to download and save files from Safari (unified place where all downloads are stored)

11. Ability to add photos to Photo Stream (After the photos have been taken)

12. Ability to add folders within folders

13. When home button is double pressed on lock screen, have the camera shortcut automatically switch to an LED flash switch, which can enable/disable the LED flash at the back of iPhones

14. A native iOS dictionary application (or the ability to type the word into spotlight for definitions)

15. A native iOS application to view cellular data usage and data plan information (or a sheet of information when the carrier name at the top is tapped)

16. Ability to stream Movies and TV Shows via iCloud

17. Ability to add photos to notes in the Notes Application.

18. Ability to set text color and use text formatting in the Notes Application

19. Ask Siri to check where your iDevices are located (Integration with Find My iPhone)

20. A Weather app for iPad

21. EQ access from the Music application

22. Easier method to dismiss notification banners

23. Settings widget for Notification Center

24. Apps update automatically in the background. (Every time the device is plugged in, locked, and connected to Wi-Fi)

25. Animated Wallpapers for Lock Screen and Home Screen

26. Low Battery Alert appears as a banner instead of a pop-up

27. Ability to change when the Low Battery Alert appears (maybe at 50%, or 5%)

28. Ability to disable Auto-Lock from Multitask Bar or Notification Center

29. Ability to find words in a particular note in the Notes Application

30. Panorama function in the Camera Application (Update: This feature was introduced alongside the new iPhone 5. This feature will be available for iPhone 5 and 4S)

31. Group video chatting in FaceTime (More than 2 people)

32. An RSS Widget for Notification Center.

33. Password-Protect certain notes in the Notes Application

34. Ask Siri for language translations

35. When Wi-Fi or cellular data connection is not available, have Siri automatically turn off and switch to voice control

36. Ask Siri to record Voice Memos

37. When notifications are deleted from Notification Center, automatically remove the badges associated with the notification

38. When using Spotlight Search, have at least two results from the web appear. One being Wikipedia (if available) and the other being the top result on Google. If Wikipedia isn't available, then just the two top results from Google,

39. Cover Flow for iPad

40. Ability to ask Siri for the latest headlines

41. Ability to split iPad's screen to truly multitask

42. Ability to do launch other apps while watching videos on the Videos app on iPad. (Relates back to #41)

43. Ability to type words into Spotlight for definitions (dictionary functionality in Spotlight)

44. Ability to optimize and filter iTunes Wi-Fi sync.

45. Ability to record the screen and view recorded content in Photos app. (Maybe a built in toggle in the Camera app?)

46. Ability to delete individual items from Notification Center, rather then having to delete all of them

47. Ability to group together notifications in Notification Center

48. Ability to add more than 12 (iPhone) or 20 (iPad) apps to a folder (Scroll enabled folders) 

49. Advanced camera settings for camera app (effects, timers, and exposure settings) 

50. Have phone automatically switch to silent based on location/calendar settings

51. Bus routes and walking routes in Maps application

52. Ability to copy text within a text message, rather then having to copy the whole message 

53. Find My iPhone can't find devices that are turned off, so have a passcode required to turn off the device, so thieves can't turn it off

54. Have 3 reminders for missed calls, similar to text messages

55. Location-based settings for enabling and disabling Do Not Disturb

56. Display detailed battery info when battery icon on status bar is tapped 

57. Redesigned lock screen playback controls (to reflect the new music app)(Update: This was added in iOS 6.1).

58. Ability to add a new homepage in between existing pages 

59. Movies, TV Shows, and Music Videos have their own sections in Videos app 

60. Ability to switch between card and list view when viewing search results for apps

61. Ability to move/delete multiple apps at one time

62. Have a geo-fence for turning on and off Wi-Fi and 3G

63. Have the devices detect when you're at home, or connected to your home Wi-Fi, and automatically turn off the passcode

64. Ability to tag people in a post when posting to Facebook via Notification Center

65. If Facebook and Twitter accounts aren't integrated and logged into, don't display the option to share them on the share sheet at all

66. Better notification center for iPad; one that takes half the screen, has more widgets, and is much more functional

67. Ability to forward Voicemail messages

68. Expand Guided Access to lock user within a certain folder of apps

69. Have Calander/Reminders alert you 2 more times after initial alert 

70. Better use of extra screen estate in iPad lock screen

71. Ability to view saved Autofill enteries individually in Settings and delete them

72. Ability to view saved Wi-Fi Connections individually in Settings and delete them

73. WPS support for connecting to Wi-Fi

74. Ability to hide Stock applications

75. Give apps the ability to access ringtones to add custom ones (with user permission)

76. Siri integration with Wikipedia

77. Ability to download music files online, and save them to Music.app

78. Give apps the ability to access Music.app and add custom music (with user permission)

79. Ability to cancel outgoing text/iMessage before it's sent

80. Option to have alarm delete itself after one use

81. Option to not save pictures taken in the Messages app

82. Ability to send location right from the Messages app

83. Replace current dock with the new Mountain Lion Dock

84. Ability to set multiple timers at one time

85. Ability to permanently turn off alarm (until next specified time) using power button (can't tell you how many times I've accidentally put it on snooze, thinking I have turned it off properly, only to have it ring in class!)

86. Swype Keyboard integration (Come on Apple, I love Swype! I LOVE IT! Please bring it to the iPhone. Partner with them. Buy them. Do whatever it takes to bring it to iOS!)

87. Apple made themes to customize OS wide objects (such as Notification Center, Notification Banners, e.t.c)

88. Ability to slide finger across keypad during Passcode lock (similar to Swype Keyboard)

89. Multiple user accounts for the iPad (Although the iPad is meant to be a personal device, there are people who share them. User accounts for the iPad would be an ideal feature for these people.)

90. Siri API for developers, and the ability to control which apps have access to Siri through Settings.

91. Timed and custom notifications. Basically, the ability to have a notification of your choice notify you at the time of your choice. (e.g: have a weather notification, which shows the temperature for the day, come at 8:00 before you go to work)

92. Merge iMessage conversations so that people's different accounts are all in one thread

93. Customization Music equalizer that can be accessed in the Music app

94. Ability to send a complaint to the App developer

95. Vibrate icon on Status Bar when it is activated (similar to portrait lock)

96. Offline maps (built in to the Maps app)

 97. Full fledged Safari file download and managing system

98. Wishlist for the iTunes and App stores

99. Ability to leave a group messaging conversation

100. Ability to choose which apps run while using roaming data

101. Option to put Time Stamps on every message.

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Originally Posted by gwmac 

 

Anyway, here is a wish list for iOS 7. Not my list but I agree with nearly all of them. 

 

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I like a lot of those ideas.

What's up with the formatting?

Originally Posted by gwmac 
3. Live Icons for Weather and Clock

 

But the screen is "too small to see those things".

Waste of resources for zero gain. A user honestly couldn't distinguish things that small, and it would vastly increase the amount of time spent on finding what you want.

Unless you're listening to multiple music streams at once, why is this needed?

Do you mean if Photo Stream was off when the photo was taken? Why would that have been the case?

Unnecessary. Just allow folders to SCROLL INTERNALLY, solving the need for multiple folders for one genre of whatever. 

Settings.

Just the option, right?

Frippery. 

Been able to do that since searching was added…

The point being what?!

Like what?

Already has that.

They're already there; just not visible directly from iOS.

You repeated a few, but I like these:

14's done already, though, isn't it? Just highlight a word.

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Originally Posted by Loptimist 

Well, Apple hasn't updated Mountain Lion for about 6months.

 

Apple.  Don't do this.  So disappointing. 

Apple Does yearly updates and they immediately are available on several generations of products.  They have never released a new phone on a old os.  Each New iPhone has shipped with a new OS providing 100s of new features and upgrades. Shortly there after the update is made available for at least the previous two generations.  My 2001 generation Quick Silver is running Leopard which came out 10 years after I bought it. You should be disappointed if Apple was putting Lion on new computers they are selling as new. 

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Originally Posted by Mars123 

Yea Schiller, keep bashing the competition like a crybaby. Way to stay classy. That will make Apple look better in the media right? How about making iOS better instead of being jealous and insecure? As far as I am concerned, android 2.3.6 can do everything iOS 6 can. 2.5 years old android OS is as advanced a your current iOS. 

bashing like a crybaby...being jealous and insecure... 2.5 yr old android as advanced as current iOS??

You should be banned just for being silly.

Originally Posted by jungmark 
…sound bites.

This just in, jungmark hates music.

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Originally Posted by igriv 

 

He is the head of marketing for the biggest consumer goods company in the world. "Being pissed" is not a good reason to do anything -- it is his job to think before he acts/speaks, and I assume he has (thought).

But making sure the message you intended to give in the first place is actually properly presented is important.

Originally Posted by jungmark 
I was worried that TS would do a point by point comment .

And now if anyone else wants to reply to specific points, I cleaned away his formatting to make the text go more smoothly.

Doesn't really matter if it's true or not, or what the actual context was, this comes across as mud-slinging, and as a lack of class from one of the classiest outfits around.  Phil needs to be more careful.

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Originally Posted by Yojimbo007 

It is very possible that he was approached by the reporters a day before galaxy 4 to get a feel of what he thinks....
It would be better if one could read the whole interview rather than excerpts.... To see these comments in context....

Apparently he followed up this interview with another at Bloomberg where he repeated some of the same talking points. That's according to Bloomberg tweets.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


How can he be wrong? Where did he claim that it would ship with year old OS?

According to the AI article he said it would.

It wasn't my list and I like some ideas and not others. I mentioned my top two wishes. But I really think that iOS 7 will see the biggest change in IOS that we have seen since the app store was added. I have absolutely no evidence of this other than a gut feeling and the experience of following Apple for decades, but I really think Apple is going to make some huge changes and/or additions to iOS 7 later this year. So big in fact it may overshadow the next iPhone itself. This is after all the one area where Samsung can't compete since they rely on Google. 

No idea what you meant by formatting problems. On my Mac Pro with ML and latest safari it looked fine. No difference now than before. 

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Originally Posted by Jetz 

I don't see the points of these comments. They come as defensive and whiny.

And signing up for 9 accounts? Seriously? I'd say, I'm a tech-savvy user who does a lot of things on my smartphone. My first Android device, I signed into one account: my google account.

I'm not a fan of marketing lies. From any company.

that's samsung.

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Originally Posted by stike vomit 

Desperation.

yep... one would need to brain dead to think anything of this, or a Geek.

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Originally Posted by agramonte 

 

yep... one would need to brain dead to think anything of this, or a Geek.

Agreed, reinforcing the question the rest of the world is increasingly asking:  why does this man bother to open his mouth?

I like a little offense from the #2 guy or lower.  From Cook, not so much, but from Schiller this is perfectly reasonable--and valid.

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Originally Posted by gordy 

I like a little offense from the #2 guy or lower.  From Cook, not so much, but from Schiller this is perfectly reasonable--and valid.

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