Apple's Schiller: Samsung Galaxy S IV may 'ship with an OS that is nearly a year old' - Page 3

Apple has stooped to a new low -- stock wise, strategy wise, execution wise, and leadership wise... So happens its products, design, OS, and software still rock! But Cook & Company are running the company like a committee of Steve Balmers. 

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwmac 

In regards to whether iOS feels dated I also agree. Let me say that I still prefer iOS to Android but not by as wide a margin as I used to.

 

Anyway, here is a wish list for iOS 7.

 

<snip>

 

 

Yep, the majority of those are totally valid. There are a lot of really terrible UI inconsistencies to boot (Want to share multiple pictures? Well to select them, all you need to do is hit Edit (!?!?), then the arrow button - no wait, here it's a button with a text label 'Share', the share button was in another Apple app...), shake-to-undo is just bizarre, deleting items in lists is totally inconsistent (Here, you swipe to the right... But here you hit 'Edit' because that swipe won't work...), switching apps is really awfully done (and yes, thumbnails would certainly be identifiable on any iPad, and if you just had 4 per screen they'd be visible on the phone too!), and so much more...

The window/view API and multitasking paradigm are in many ways tuned to devices with next to no memory, which makes doing a really nice paradigm like the 'sheets' on Pre more challenging, particularly because every app has 1 window/view active, so showing for example your email inbox along with 2 compose 'windows' you have open is something apps today just aren't coded for. But then... Please, just change it and make it work! (And for GOD'S SAKE don't push the same crappy paradigm into OSX - compose an email while in fullscreen and that window modally blocks your inbox? Seriously? It's bad enough to have that happen on iOS, let alone on the desktop! Sorry, but I digress...)

Apple has never been about keeping everything the same. Critics have always said quite the opposite, that Apple would throw their developers under the bus if they came up with a better way to do stuff. APIs change or are discarded in order to make things better. There are many many many things they can improve in iOS at this point - devices are faster, higher resolution, and have more memory! - and it's really going to hurt Apple if they don't get moving again.

iOS was a revolution when it came out, but it needs a huge polish and advance release, and that hasn't happened for several years at this point. You can charge premium prices when you have a clearly better product. If they don't move ahead and demonstrate that they are still doing that, they're going to lose their dear profit margins and prove Wall St.'s fears right, which I'd hate to see.

Originally Posted by jungmark 
Stop trolling.

I think the point that he's trying to make here is marginally relevant enough not to be called that.

Beyond the last sentence, I don't think anything… ah, "strategy", "execution", and "leadership"… Never mind; I agree with you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gijoeinla 


Um, what "if" Schiller was right and the OS is a year old - winner! It alone immediately will get a lot of mentions today once the G4 is released. Some of you DON'T understand PR. Apple wins because they could in turn be right and torpedoes Samsungs ad campaign how old Apple is - Get it? I preface by saying that it's a gamble. If Schiller knows something we don't and got it out there as spin - then smart move.

If he's wrong --- on the other hand then... Then it's another Apple PR blunder....outside of Apple blowing the barn doors off with something amazing in iOS7

That's a big 'if'.

Samsung lives and dies by its specs, so I'd be very surprised if they didn't stick the latest version of Android on the new model.

I don't think anything has changed at Apple, or that Schiller was being unusually critical of Android.

What has changed is the perception that Apple is "beleaguered"--   or rather, after a relatively brief period where Apple was making so much money even the lazy tech press was obliged to temporarily change their tune we have returned to their default narrative: Apple is Doomed.

So we get this "defensive" spin, we get a lot of trolls rushing here to assure us that Apple is floundering, we get general tech punditry settling into their comfortable Mac vs. PC chairs, with a simple word search updating 15 year old articles to "iOS vs. Android", etc.  

Same as it always was.  Samsung will sell a lot of phones, Apple will make a ton of money, and Apple's leadership will continue to make the products they think are best.  The idea that Schiller, or Apple, are "desperate" or "lashing out", or that any of this amounts to anything more than reliable tech click whoring is tiresome beyond belief. 

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorsteve 

Phil hurt Apple mightily with these comments. He drew terrible press on the morning TV shows by saying negative things about Samsung. As one TV commentator put it, "talk is cheap." I hope that Schiller and Apple learn their lesson from this one. If Phil doesn't have something constructive to say then he should keep his mouth shut. No one is interested in his attacks on Google, android, or Samsung. If Apple has better products then it should release them. Since Apple has not had any totally new products since the Ipad, how many years ago, Phil should be at Cupertino working, not wasting time talking to the press. The way to compete with Samsung is to COMPETE. For Apple/Phil to trash Android with talk is ridiculous. Apple should be embarrassed about what Phil said and he should be rebuked by the CEO.

This.

Schiller wobbled, and looks scared, and that only reflects good on Samsung. I think had he been more articulate - or had the presence of SJ - he could have used a tone that didn't come across as insecure.  I think it would be a good exercise at Apple for Schiller to re-apply for his job.

"not had any totally new products since" and what is going to be "new product" about a somewhat larger S3?

Quote:

Originally Posted by addabox 

I don't think anything has changed at Apple, or that Schiller was being unusually critical of Android.

 

What has changed is the perception that Apple is "beleaguered"--   or rather, after a relatively brief period where Apple was making so much money even the lazy tech press was obliged to temporarily change their tune we have returned to their default narrative: Apple is Doomed.

 

So we get this "defensive" spin, we get a lot of trolls rushing here to assure us that Apple is floundering, we get general tech punditry settling into their comfortable Mac vs. PC chairs, with a simple word search updating 15 year old articles to "iOS vs. Android", etc.  

 

Same as it always was.  Samsung will sell a lot of phones, Apple will make a ton of money, and Apple's leadership will continue to make the products they think are best.  The idea that Schiller, or Apple, are "desperate" or "lashing out", or that any of this amounts to anything more than reliable tech click whoring is tiresome beyond belief. 

The echo chamber is sort of amazing.

The "desperation" word of the day made the rounds faster than I would have imagined. Not perhaps as fast as "no mini-USB" port but close....

I hope ios never looks like android to be honest. Maybe I just come from a different train of thought but I'm old school. I hope ios stays relatively the same as when it was released in 2007. I just want an os thats simple and easy to use and hopefully Apple doesn't add widgets or live wallpapers in ios7. Just stay with the simple and easy to use formula, it's sold millions already, why change it.

So the S4 launches with 4.2.2.

Schiller's credibility just took a tiny hit.

I dunno why he did these interviews.  Like I said earlier, just makes him and the company look desperate.  Which they simply are not.  So what's the point?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jragosta 


Possibly. But in the end, the point is valid.

Very few Android phones ever have OS updates available - which is why the majority of Android phones are still running ancient versions. So even if this phone comes with the latest version (which is already 5 months old), by the time the phone is 2 years old, it will be running a 2.5 year old OS. Updates are routinely available for iPhones for years - so that's not the case with iPhones. So people who buy this phone are likely to be using it for most of its life without even the most basic security updates.

Keep in mind most PCs never have the OS updated.  Windows 7 (outdated, several years old) only recently surpassed Windows XP (ancient, obsolete) as the most popular desktop OS.  

And generally Android vulnerabilities do get patched up, the security situation is much better than most people believe.  The biggest vulnerability on Android is when users side-load questionable packages and apps.  No half-competent Android user has to worry about viruses...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loptimist 

Well, Apple hasn't updated Mountain Lion for about 6months.

 

Apple.  Don't do this.  So disappointing. 

Just today as a matter of fact 10.8.3 they did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jungmark 


Stop trolling.

You did a public service rebroadcasting my OP. Thanks!

Gruber can't imagine why Schiller would comment about the S4 coming with an old OS. A poor decision in hindsight which Gruber calls an "unforced error".

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/03/14/unforced-error

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwmac 

It is getting harder and harder to find what I am looking for at times swiping through all these screens and folders. Surely Apple can think of a better way to quickly access what we are searching for when we don't know the name but might know other info like the size, app type, when it was downloaded for example. 

 

 

Swiping is for n00bs, tap the home button and type in the first few letters using Apple's patented unified search.