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Apple has stooped to a new low -- stock wise, strategy wise, execution wise, and leadership wise... So happens its products, design, OS, and software still rock! But Cook & Company are running the company like a committee of Steve Balmers. 

Stop trolling.
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Schiller is scared and manipulative. Samsung "may" ship rainbow lollipops, but almost everyone accepts that won't be the case. Android 4.2.1 isn't nearly a year old, and there's an honest chance they'll ship with 4.2.2 which is quite new.
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Originally Posted by jungmark View Post
Stop trolling.

 

I think the point that he's trying to make here is marginally relevant enough not to be called that.

 

Beyond the last sentence, I don't think anything… ah, "strategy", "execution", and "leadership"… Never mind; I agree with you.

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Um, what "if" Schiller was right and the OS is a year old - winner! It alone immediately will get a lot of mentions today once the G4 is released. Some of you DON'T understand PR. Apple wins because they could in turn be right and torpedoes Samsungs ad campaign how old Apple is - Get it? I preface by saying that it's a gamble. If Schiller knows something we don't and got it out there as spin - then smart move.

If he's wrong --- on the other hand then... Then it's another Apple PR blunder....outside of Apple blowing the barn doors off with something amazing in iOS7

 

That's a big 'if'.

 

Samsung lives and dies by its specs, so I'd be very surprised if they didn't stick the latest version of Android on the new model.

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But the fact is many people judge things on simple things like big and small and aren't able to know their os is one year old .
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This does make Apple look a little desperate.  With the first new major phone in two years (iPhone 5) *and* giving away iPhone 4's for free they were able to gain 3.5% US market share.  So what do they have to counter the S IV for the next two years?  They'll likely get a minor bump from the 5s, but that will only offset the inevitable lull they get as people stop buying the iPhone 5 waiting for the 5s release.

Apple needs to come up with some new feature of their own, rather than trying to badmouth their competition- because like it or not Android phones are tremendous- especially if you value function over aesthetics.  

Apple needs new material other than the fragmentation argument.  I think that is more of a statement designed to make Apple users think they need to stay with Apple.  People with 3 year old phones running Honeycomb are obviously pretty happy with them as they don't see a need to go out and upgrade.

If I ask Apple if my comparable 3 year old iPhone 3s suffers from fragmentation their answer will be 'no' since it will show up as being capable of running iOS6...


User:  Can I run iOS6 on my iPhone 3s and be checked off as running the latest OS?
Apple:  Absolutely!  *


* You just cant run 3d flyover, turn by turn navigation, use the new maps app, panorama mode, offline reading list, location based reminders, personal wifi hotspots, facetime, airplay mirroring, nor can you use Siri- or really any new features actually added in the last few releases of software.  Your phone will run horrendously slow, and the battery life (if it still works and you haven't shelled out a few hundred backs for Apple to replace it) will be attrocious.  You will be running iOS6 though!  Enjoy!

The problem of fragmentation is a nuisance to developers, users- not so much.  If you don't like the fragmentation on your 3 year old iPhone or your 3 year old Android phone the answer is the same for either platform- buy a new one.  If you're happy with your 3 year old phone- then obviously its not an issue to you.

Good points. As 3Gs user, I really haven't got much with updates. I can think of folders as obvious advantage I did get, but in return I have lost some performance and battery life. If I could (without jailbreaking), I'd give iOS4 another go.

In addition, considering how many people still use Win XP, Vista... and 7 will be used for years to come... for people with older hardware, who are happy with what they get from OS they are running, insisting on every OS update is really just a marketing tool.

Other thing I would consider if I were Phil, Android did evolve more than iOS from release till now, even if updates are less frequent. In situation where lots of people agree that iOS is getting a bit stale (sentiment I personally agree with), I'm finding it ironic what Phil is trying to pull out; it only enforces my opinion that one should not pay much attention to marketing and sales people.
post #87 of 102
Can't help the truth about a year old OS features a whole lot of outdated content(with it copying apple a year=1.5 years old so most users have 3 year old)
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I don't think anything has changed at Apple, or that Schiller was being unusually critical of Android.

 

What has changed is the perception that Apple is "beleaguered"--   or rather, after a relatively brief period where Apple was making so much money even the lazy tech press was obliged to temporarily change their tune we have returned to their default narrative: Apple is Doomed.

 

So we get this "defensive" spin, we get a lot of trolls rushing here to assure us that Apple is floundering, we get general tech punditry settling into their comfortable Mac vs. PC chairs, with a simple word search updating 15 year old articles to "iOS vs. Android", etc.  

 

Same as it always was.  Samsung will sell a lot of phones, Apple will make a ton of money, and Apple's leadership will continue to make the products they think are best.  The idea that Schiller, or Apple, are "desperate" or "lashing out", or that any of this amounts to anything more than reliable tech click whoring is tiresome beyond belief. 

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Phil hurt Apple mightily with these comments. He drew terrible press on the morning TV shows by saying negative things about Samsung. As one TV commentator put it, "talk is cheap." I hope that Schiller and Apple learn their lesson from this one. If Phil doesn't have something constructive to say then he should keep his mouth shut. No one is interested in his attacks on Google, android, or Samsung. If Apple has better products then it should release them. Since Apple has not had any totally new products since the Ipad, how many years ago, Phil should be at Cupertino working, not wasting time talking to the press. The way to compete with Samsung is to COMPETE. For Apple/Phil to trash Android with talk is ridiculous. Apple should be embarrassed about what Phil said and he should be rebuked by the CEO.

 

This.

Schiller wobbled, and looks scared, and that only reflects good on Samsung. I think had he been more articulate - or had the presence of SJ - he could have used a tone that didn't come across as insecure.  I think it would be a good exercise at Apple for Schiller to re-apply for his job.

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"not had any totally new products since" and what is going to be "new product" about a somewhat larger S3?

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I don't think anything has changed at Apple, or that Schiller was being unusually critical of Android.

 

What has changed is the perception that Apple is "beleaguered"--   or rather, after a relatively brief period where Apple was making so much money even the lazy tech press was obliged to temporarily change their tune we have returned to their default narrative: Apple is Doomed.

 

So we get this "defensive" spin, we get a lot of trolls rushing here to assure us that Apple is floundering, we get general tech punditry settling into their comfortable Mac vs. PC chairs, with a simple word search updating 15 year old articles to "iOS vs. Android", etc.  

 

Same as it always was.  Samsung will sell a lot of phones, Apple will make a ton of money, and Apple's leadership will continue to make the products they think are best.  The idea that Schiller, or Apple, are "desperate" or "lashing out", or that any of this amounts to anything more than reliable tech click whoring is tiresome beyond belief. 

The echo chamber is sort of amazing.

 

The "desperation" word of the day made the rounds faster than I would have imagined. Not perhaps as fast as "no mini-USB" port but close....

post #92 of 102

I hope ios never looks like android to be honest. Maybe I just come from a different train of thought but I'm old school. I hope ios stays relatively the same as when it was released in 2007. I just want an os thats simple and easy to use and hopefully Apple doesn't add widgets or live wallpapers in ios7. Just stay with the simple and easy to use formula, it's sold millions already, why change it.

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That's a big 'if'.

Samsung lives and dies by its specs, so I'd be very surprised if they didn't stick the latest version of Android on the new model.

Possibly. But in the end, the point is valid.

Very few Android phones ever have OS updates available - which is why the majority of Android phones are still running ancient versions. So even if this phone comes with the latest version (which is already 5 months old), by the time the phone is 2 years old, it will be running a 2.5 year old OS. Updates are routinely available for iPhones for years - so that's not the case with iPhones. So people who buy this phone are likely to be using it for most of its life without even the most basic security updates.
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post #94 of 102

So the S4 launches with 4.2.2.

 

Schiller's credibility just took a tiny hit.

 

I dunno why he did these interviews.  Like I said earlier, just makes him and the company look desperate.  Which they simply are not.  So what's the point?

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Possibly. But in the end, the point is valid.

Very few Android phones ever have OS updates available - which is why the majority of Android phones are still running ancient versions. So even if this phone comes with the latest version (which is already 5 months old), by the time the phone is 2 years old, it will be running a 2.5 year old OS. Updates are routinely available for iPhones for years - so that's not the case with iPhones. So people who buy this phone are likely to be using it for most of its life without even the most basic security updates.

 

Keep in mind most PCs never have the OS updated.  Windows 7 (outdated, several years old) only recently surpassed Windows XP (ancient, obsolete) as the most popular desktop OS.  

 

And generally Android vulnerabilities do get patched up, the security situation is much better than most people believe.  The biggest vulnerability on Android is when users side-load questionable packages and apps.  No half-competent Android user has to worry about viruses...

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Well, Apple hasn't updated Mountain Lion for about 6months.

 

Apple.  Don't do this.  So disappointing. 

Just today as a matter of fact 10.8.3 they did.

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Stop trolling.

You did a public service rebroadcasting my OP. Thanks!

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Gruber can't imagine why Schiller would comment about the S4 coming with an old OS. A poor decision in hindsight which Gruber calls an "unforced error".

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Gruber can't imagine why Schiller would comment about the S4 coming with an old OS. A poor decision in hindsight which Gruber calls an "unforced error".

The thing about negative press as has been demonstrated with Apple is that people will believe a lot of it without fact checking. I don't see the problem with Apple putting out negative marketing about the competition when the competition does it to Apple all the time.
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It is getting harder and harder to find what I am looking for at times swiping through all these screens and folders. Surely Apple can think of a better way to quickly access what we are searching for when we don't know the name but might know other info like the size, app type, when it was downloaded for example. 

 

 

Swiping is for n00bs, tap the home button and type in the first few letters using Apple's patented unified search.

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