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iPad and iPhone owners will soon be getting access to hit shows like NCIS, CSI, and How I Met Your Mother, as CBS announced on Thursday the launch of its new app for iOS with full-episode streaming.

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The new CBS app lets users stream full episodes of daytime and late-night shows within 24 hours of their airing. New episodes of primetime television programs will be available for streaming on the eighth day after broadcast.

The app will by the start of the Fall TV season, integrate with the existing CBS Connect App, allowing users to take advantage of the iPad or iPhone as a second-screen device. The app will have integrated social feeds, live events where fans can engage directly with talent, and content synched to live broadcast shows.

CBS will also roll out similar full-streaming apps for "all major mobile and tablet platforms later this year," including Android and Windows 8.

Bringing full-episode streaming, even in the limited form in which it exists in the new app, is a considerable step for CBS, which has usually been reluctant to move its programming away from its traditional broadcast television setting. Speaking on the new app's release, CBS CEO Leslie Moonves said the company had been cautious to step forward onto mobile devices while protecting its home turf.

"We have been methodically and strategically finding new ways to satiate the appetite for our content on new platforms, while tapping into the tremendous revenue provided by doing so," said Moonves. "Our announcement today achieves both of these objectives, while protecting our very healthy current ecosystem. In addition, by making our shows available on all the leading mobile devices out there, we are confident we will bring a whole new set of viewers to the CBS Television Network and build upon our standing as the #1 network in the business."

The new app is available as a free download in the iTunes App Store. The 20.6MB app is compatible with iDevices running iOS 5.0 or later.
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Here comes iTV ....
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The in parrallel streaming for NCIS:L.A. is fun, but I happen to like the behind the scenes bits of that sort of thing.

That it can sync to a playback of the show based on the audio is rather awesome. Far better than another where you apoarently have to be following the show in real time.
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Wow. It "just works." And the app-ification of TV continues.

Maybe, just maybe, this is what Apple needs to work on first.
Get all the deals signed, get the iCloud infrastructure in place.
Then unveil the solution. All-software on iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, Mac.

The final step, if Apple ever wants to do it, would be the TV set.
And it would probably just be a 55" Thunderbolt Display.
Connected to a slightly upgraded Apple TV box.
IMHO.

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Here comes iTV ....

Correct, URMK! 1smile.gif it's the future...crap tv and commercials on ur iPhone! Although 60 Minutes is OK...

The real nut to crack will be sports, e.g., Formula One!
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Wow. It "just works." And the app-ification of TV continues.

Maybe, just maybe, this is what Apple needs to work on first.
Get all the deals signed, get the iCloud infrastructure in place.
Then unveil the solution. All-software on iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, Mac.

The final step, if Apple ever wants to do it, would be the TV set.
And it would probably just be a 55" Thunderbolt Display.
Connected to a slightly upgraded Apple TV box.
IMHO.

I like it! Can't wait! 1smile.gif
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In Canada and elsewhere for now we're SOL. From the app...

 

"limited to United States and its territories"

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They totally miss the whole point as usual when they only make it available 8 days later.  When will these guys realise that people are actually willing to pay, but only if they are on the same terms as those still using old-school cable?  

 

It boggles the mind how many copies of whatever the latest movie is for example, could be sold if it were available on iTunes the same day as it's in the theatres.  I must know at least a dozen folks just personally who torrent stuff simply because of this time gap, who are otherwise law abiding citizens and who would actually like to *stop* torrenting stuff.  

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Correct, URMK! 1smile.gif it's the future...crap tv and commercials on ur iPhone! Although 60 Minutes is OK...

The real nut to crack will be sports, e.g., Formula One!

Well, that's just your crap opinion.
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The only thing that's really annoying is that it doesn't (yet) include a full season, just the current, and last episode on some shows (Elementary, for example). I prefer the way ABC does it, with all previous seasons.
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

Wow. It "just works." And the app-ification of TV continues.

Maybe, just maybe, this is what Apple needs to work on first.
Get all the deals signed, get the iCloud infrastructure in place.
Then unveil the solution. All-software on iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, Mac.

The final step, if Apple ever wants to do it, would be the TV set.
And it would probably just be a 55" Thunderbolt Display.
Connected to a slightly upgraded Apple TV box.
IMHO.

I'd buy it!

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The only thing that's really annoying is that it doesn't (yet) include a full season, just the current, and last episode on some shows (Elementary, for example). I prefer the way ABC does it, with all previous seasons.

Yes that teensy moving window is annoyiong, why not just add them on to an ever growing list even if for only the current season?

 

Maybe has to do with deals with NetFlix or somebody?

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The only thing that's really annoying is that it doesn't (yet) include a full season, just the current, and last episode on some shows (Elementary, for example). I prefer the way ABC does it, with all previous seasons.

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Yes that teensy moving window is annoyiong, why not just add them on to an ever growing list even if for only the current season?

Maybe has to do with deals with NetFlix or somebody?

Who knows? Since ABC, and others can do it, I suppose it's just CBS, deciding that it would affect their bottom line in some way. With older seasons, possibly it's a matter reruns. But, this is much better than the SyFy channel's app. We can only get clips there, and with the strange, and continually changing schedules, we really need whole shows. I've missed quite a lot of stuff. Well, Apple gets me buying the old shows when they appear that way, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it. My wife will watch shows on the computer from the channel web sites, but the quality sucks, so I won't do that.
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This is a huge indicator that Apple HDTV is on its way soon.
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They totally miss the whole point as usual when they only make it available 8 days later.  When will these guys realise that people are actually willing to pay, but only if they are on the same terms as those still using old-school cable?  

It boggles the mind how many copies of whatever the latest movie is for example, could be sold if it were available on iTunes the same day as it's in the theatres.  I must know at least a dozen folks just personally who torrent stuff simply because of this time gap, who are otherwise law abiding citizens and who would actually like to *stop* torrenting stuff.  

What terms are those?
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This is a huge indicator that Apple HDTV is on its way soon.

Why?
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This is a huge indicator that Apple HDTV is on its way soon.

Why?

Indeed; why? Some broadcasting company upgrades their iOS app. Happens all the time.
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Correct, URMK! 1smile.gif it's the future...crap tv and commercials on ur iPhone! Although 60 Minutes is OK...

The real nut to crack will be sports, e.g., Formula One!

F1 would be awesome, I'd love the BBC coverage of that on an app for Apple TV / iOS here in the USA. Although I haven't seen the BBC coverage since I left UK 22 years ago ... so maybe they don't do it anymore.
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The only thing that's really annoying is that it doesn't (yet) include a full season, just the current, and last episode on some shows (Elementary, for example). I prefer the way ABC does it, with all previous seasons.

As a huge Netflix on Apple TV fan I agree with you. I won't even consider watching a series unless they start with season 1 and have everything available from that point on. The down side for Netflix is obviously they last show is several years behind live TV. I'd love to have them do a deal to be bang up to date even if that was only available at a an increase in price. They could offer either an over all increase to the monthly fee for this on all shows they had this for or a lower amount to add a la carte series to gain latest seasons of selected series.

Meanwhile as Netflix are willing to plough money into their own productions now, I'd love them to consider funding series that were cancelled early. Perhaps use a system to see what is most wanted i.e. that fans vote to be extended in sufficient numbers, perhaps even with a donation or fee. Legend of the Seeker, Firefly(although Josh already said no to that I gather), Caprica .. and so on ....
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Originally Posted by c4rlob View Post
This is a huge indicator that a Comcast HDTV is on its way soon.


THIS makes more sense than anything involving Apple, and it still doesn't make any sense.

 

Oh, wait, they bought NBC, didn't they? Still, makes as much sense. lol.gif

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Watching TV on my iPhone has been one of the most liberating things that I%u2019ve ever done, but I like that I can do this with all my channels. I had a DISH hopper installed just so that I could watch live TV and all my DVR recordings while I%u2019m away from home. Since I do a lot of traveling for my job at DISH, it%u2019s been the most useful way to keep up on my local news and sports.
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Obviously this author didn't source his information very well. CBS has streamed all their shows day-of(8pm show like Survivor usually goes live around midnight PST) for years(usually the most recent 2 episodes).

They are also very well known for having the absolute worst streaming service in history. Pixelated streaming is The Norm(I watch Netflix and Hulu all the time with absolutely no issue ever, them its like watching block images at most times). For a good long while, they couldn't even figure out how to fix the 'Please Esc To Exit Full Screen Mode' staying on the screen bug, even with Flash fully updated.

So this is coming to iPad and iPhone? Good Luck With That. 8 days after everyone has allready seen the stream off CBS.COM and even then.. you'll probably need the patience of Job when it comes to the quality. Hopefully you guys can shame them into actually upgrading their streaming.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

I must know at least a dozen folks just personally who torrent stuff simply because of this time gap, who are otherwise law abiding citizens and who would actually like to *stop* torrenting stuff.  

 

No. They're not. Otherwise they just wouldn't do it.


You (and they) act as though they "have no choice" in the matter. Nonsense.

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No. They're not. Otherwise they just wouldn't do it.


You (and they) act as though they "have no choice" in the matter. Nonsense.

I just don't believe anyone is torrenting a CBS show.
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Obviously this author didn't source his information very well. CBS has streamed all their shows day-of(8pm show like Survivor usually goes live around midnight PST) for years(usually the most recent 2 episodes).

They are also very well known for having the absolute worst streaming service in history. Pixelated streaming is The Norm(I watch Netflix and Hulu all the time with absolutely no issue ever, them its like watching block images at most times). For a good long while, they couldn't even figure out how to fix the 'Please Esc To Exit Full Screen Mode' staying on the screen bug, even with Flash fully updated.

So this is coming to iPad and iPhone? Good Luck With That. 8 days after everyone has allready seen the stream off CBS.COM and even then.. you'll probably need the patience of Job when it comes to the quality. Hopefully you guys can shame them into actually upgrading their streaming.

Most everyone streams from their own web pages. But this is new for an app for them. So far, the streaming quality is just dandy!
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
I just don't believe anyone is torrenting a CBS show.

 

I can't see wanting to watch most of what's on, but that's me. lol.gif

 

Between the psychotic "reality" television, the sit"com"s, news spun so hard both ways it resets my inner ear and doesn't make me want to vomit, and programming on stations where it shouldn't be (how is Ice Road Truckers "history", again?), there's not much incentive to watch television.

 

I wonder if, when Apple takes the Apple TV from a hobby to a full-fledged product, they'll invoke the influence of Steve one last time. 

 

The most corrosive piece of technology that I’ve ever seen is called television — but then, again, television, at its best, is magnificent.
You go to your TV when you want to turn your brain off. You go to your computer when you want to turn your brain on. Those are not the same.
And it made a really big impression on me that we humans are tool builders. And that we can fashion tools that amplify these inherent abilities that we have to spectacular magnitudes. And so for me, a computer has always been a bicycle of the mind.

 

And then a whole new Apple TV box, made to both completely destroy the telecoms' hold on shoving channel packages down our throats AND to revolutionize education, discovery, and games.

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I just don't believe anyone is torrenting a CBS show.

Why not? They have the most popular shows. I believe that NCIS is the world's most popular show.
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I can't see wanting to watch most of what's on, but that's me. lol.gif

Between the psychotic "reality" television, the sit"com"s, news spun so hard both ways it resets my inner ear and doesn't make me want to vomit, and programming on stations where it shouldn't be (how is Ice Road Truckers "history", again?), there's not much incentive to watch television.

I wonder if, when Apple takes the Apple TV from a hobby to a full-fledged product, they'll invoke the influence of Steve one last time. 


And then a whole new Apple TV box, made to both completely destroy the telecoms' hold on shoving channel packages down our throats AND to revolutionize education, discovery, and games.

Quite frankly, when someone tells me how bad Tv is, and that they don't watch it, I usually tell them "Great, have a wonderful life, but please stop burdening us with your social deficiencies".

As Ray Bradbury, or maybe Arthur C Clark once said: "90% of everything is junk". Or something like that. That includes 90% of everything you like as well. It would be nice if impressions of personal likes and dislikes could be kept out of discussions like this.
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Why not? They have the most popular shows. I believe that NCIS is the world's most popular show.

Really? I really haven't watched much network TV ever since Lost and 24. Fringe was good but too many breaks during a season, Last Resort was canceled and I don't know what's going on with Revolution. There's gotta be other great ideas for shows that aren't law enforcement.
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Quite frankly, when someone tells me how bad Tv is, and that they don't watch it, I usually tell them "Great, have a wonderful life, but please stop burdening us with your social deficiencies".

As Ray Bradbury, or maybe Arthur C Clark once said: "90% of everything is junk". Or something like that. That includes 90% of everything you like as well. It would be nice if impressions of personal likes and dislikes could be kept out of discussions like this.

I watch a ton of TV but the networks have gotten complacent. They don't give shows a chance to develop a following, how many Law & Orders do we need, or CSIs?
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post
Quite frankly, when someone tells me how bad Tv is, and that they don't watch it, I usually tell them "Great, have a wonderful life, but please stop burdening us with your social deficiencies".

 

Is your problem with a supposed impossibility of knowing quality without watching? I don't watch BECAUSE of the quality.

 

And you have to admit that many stations are sending a muddied message with their purpose and actual content. There was a word that started with a D that I had when first writing this reply. No idea where it went…

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The tv.com app from CBS Interactive Entertainment previously allowed for full episode streaming. It doesn't anymore now that the official CBS app is out though. So this article incorrectly stated this as being the first chance users have had at full episode streaming on mobile for CBS shows.
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Really? I really haven't watched much network TV ever since Lost and 24. Fringe was good but too many breaks during a season, Last Resort was canceled and I don't know what's going on with Revolution. There's gotta be other great ideas for shows that aren't law enforcement.

Yeah, really. Your shows aren't the only ones, you know. Hated Lost, never watched 24. Never saw Last Resort either. Revolution? I do watch Fringe. Not as far out as some might think, but it will be over this year.
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I watch a ton of TV but the networks have gotten complacent. They don't give shows a chance to develop a following, how many Law & Orders do we need, or CSIs?

That's true of everything. Movies, Broadway shows and music are all copies of a winner. Then there are cars, and all other consumer products such as cell phones. Look at how everyone copied the look of the iPhone.

Tv isn't special in this.
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Is your problem with a supposed impossibility of knowing quality without watching? I don't watch BECAUSE of the quality.

And you have to admit that many stations are sending a muddied message with their purpose and actual content. There was a word that started with a D that I had when first writing this reply. No idea where it went…

No, you don't watch because you don't want to. THEN you convince yourself that the quality of everything is poor. You just even admitted that. This is the way people think. But if they do like something, then they convince themselves that the quality is high. If we were really concerned about quality almost every sort of entertainment wouldn't be around, because almost all of it is crap, including most of what you do like. And some of what you don't like is great. It's a matter of perspective.

I think that most sports is a total waste of time. I wouldn't spend one minute watching it. I think it's a bunch of pampered, over paid drug users, and greedy team owners. But some here think that's about the only good thing on. How do you account for that? Most movies are crap, but people love watching them.

So if you like something, that means that it must be good, because you couldn't possibly have bad taste. And if you don't like it, it must be bad, because after all, we know that most other people do have bad taste. It's part of the human condition. I'd love for people to just come out and admit that they're walking around with their noses in the air about this.

Then, there's that really cute and adorable girl on a show that guys will watch just to see her, but they'll never admit to it.
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That's true of everything. Movies, Broadway shows and music are all copies of a winner. Then there are cars, and all other consumer products such as cell phones. Look at how everyone copied the look of the iPhone.

Tv isn't special in this.

Good and different TV can be easily found elsewhere, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, The Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, Banshee, etc... do not follow the mold. I wonder how many of those were turned down by the networks and became Emmy award winners.
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No, you don't watch because you don't want to. THEN you convince yourself that the quality of everything is poor. You just even admitted that. This is the way people think. But if they do like something, then they convince themselves that the quality is high. If we were really concerned about quality almost every sort of entertainment wouldn't be around, because almost all of it is crap, including most of what you do like. And some of what you don't like is great. It's a matter of perspective.

I think that most sports is a total waste of time. I wouldn't spend one minute watching it. I think it's a bunch of pampered, over paid drug users, and greedy team owners. But some here think that's about the only good thing on. How do you account for that? Most movies are crap, but people love watching them.

So if you like something, that means that it must be good, because you couldn't possibly have bad taste. And if you don't like it, it must be bad, because after all, we know that most other people do have bad taste. It's part of the human condition. I'd love for people to just come out and admit that they're walking around with their noses in the air about this.

Then, there's that really cute and adorable girl on a show that guys will watch just to see her, but they'll never admit to it.

I wouldn't say CBS has bad shows because I've never seen them but what I do know is that it's more of the same. Last Resort was the last network show I was watching, it was an exciting and different premise from the status quo and it got canceled. The networks have become a slave to the almighty advertising dollar and if a show doesn't pay dividends immediately it's gone.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post
No, you don't watch because you don't want to. THEN you convince yourself that the quality of everything is poor. You just even admitted that.

 

Not… no. I remain abreast of modern content, going so far as to pick and choose an episode to watch occasionally. That the majority turns out to be mindless drivel isn't some false perception borne of total disassociation. When available, I'll enjoy almost any educational content put up, as long as it's accurate. That's why I'm bothered by the Discovery channel family, for one, falling into the 'reality' trap. 


But some here think that's about the only good thing on. How do you account for that?

 

The wretched taste and general lack of intelligence that causes these crap shows in the first place. 1wink.gif


Most movies are crap, but people love watching them.

 

I will enjoy a movie because of its content AND occasionally because it's terrible, since I enjoy making fun of them MST3K-style. That people can genuinely enjoy said movies or even "watch them just to watch them" is beyond me. But hey, if it makes you laugh and appeals to you, that's that. 

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Good and different TV can be easily found elsewhere, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, The Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, Banshee, etc... do not follow the mold. I wonder how many of those were turned down by the networks and became Emmy award winners.

Again, you're just mentioning the shows that you think are good, Emmy or not. And since when is an award in entertainment anything other than politics? Perhaps the "People's Choice" awards are more indicative of what real people think is good. Critics are trained on classic drama. Anything much beyond that, and they're lost.
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Not… no. I remain abreast of modern content, going so far as to pick and choose an episode to watch occasionally. That the majority turns out to be mindless drivel isn't some false perception borne of total disassociation. When available, I'll enjoy almost any educational content put up, as long as it's accurate. That's why I'm bothered by the Discovery channel family, for one, falling into the 'reality' trap. 

The wretched taste and general lack of intelligence that causes these crap shows in the first place. 1wink.gif

I will enjoy a movie because of its content AND occasionally because it's terrible, since I enjoy making fun of them MST3K-style. That people can genuinely enjoy said movies or even "watch them just to watch them" is beyond me. But hey, if it makes you laugh and appeals to you, that's that. 

Your last statement is the closest to reality. We all watch crap because it whiles away the time. I don't WANT to watch serious drama most of the time. Quite frankly, just like most classic literature we were force fed in school, it's often boring as hell.

And picking an episode occasionally isn't always helpful with many shows, where you must know the characters from the beginning to understand what's actually going on. Unless I determine to not watch a show from the first, I'll always watch the first few episodes to get a feel for it before deciding whether I want to continue or not. So I watched the first half of Lost, when I realized that it was overrated (to me), and that the produced were just leading the audience around by the nose. I came back to it on and off over the years, but it was a waste of time (for me).

Some shows get better, and some get worse. It becomes difficult to continue having good ideas after a while. But I like the relationships and banter in a nu ber of shows. That's the most difficult thing to pull off successfully. I like SiFi, and have since I was a kid. So I was disappointed when SG One went off the air. But once the main character decided to leave the show, the cohesiveness of the group fell apart.

And there are much better venues for educational programming then Tv, where it must, by the very nature of the audiences, be watered down to the point of uselessness to those who already know about the areas in which the programming is written. So I find programs about science to have nothing I don't already know, but the pictures and videos are pretty, at least.
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