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Apple's 'budget' iPhone expected to have same 4-inch display as iPhone 5

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Contrary to some rumors suggesting Apple's low-cost iPhone will have a larger 4.5-inch display, the company's new entry-level handset will have a 4-inch display, matching the size of the iPhone 5.

The details on Apple's so-called "budget" iPhone were revealed on Friday to AppleInsider by Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities, who has a reliable track record in predicting Apple's future product plans. According to Kuo, the specs for Apple's low-cost iPhone were decided in 2011, and the company is "unlikely to abruptly change" due to a market shift toward larger screens in the 5-inch range.

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The new, less expensive iPhone model is said to have a "super-thin plastic casing mixed with glass fiber." The material will make it stronger, thinner and lighter than typical smartphone plastic casings, Kuo said.

He expects the thickness to be between 0.4 and 0.6 millimeters, which is thinner than the average plastic casing at between 0.7 and 1 millimeter.

The phone will also reportedly come in a range of colors, much like Apple's iPod lineup. According to Kuo, there will be between four and six options, expanding from the black and white choices currently available on existing iPhone models.

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Apple is said to have contracted with Foxconn as well as Green Point of the Jabil group for its strong and thin iPhone plastic casings. Hon Hai will both build casings and assemble the phones, while Jabil is expected to provide its casings to Pegatron, which will assemble the remaining iPhones. The analyst reported earlier this week that Apple was likely to diversify manufacturers for both its low-cost and legacy iPhones.

Kuo's latest report issued on Friday was specifically issued to dispel claims made in a new Economic Daily News story that claimed Foxconn would be losing orders for Apple's low-cost iPhone. That report also erroneously indicated that the device would have a larger display than 4 inches.

The latest information from Kuo corroborates with details that were published by iLounge earlier this year. That report claimed the "budget" iPhone will feature a 5-inch display like the iPhone 5, but will also borrow some design elements from the latest iPod touch and even the legacy iPod classic, with a flat back made of plastic.

In addition to a low-cost iPhone based on the design of the iPhone 5, Kuo also expects Apple to release an updated premium "iPhone 5S" later this year. He has previously revealed that the next high-end iPhone is expected to include a fingerprint sensor under the home button that will eliminate the need to enter passwords and potentially add new functionality such as secure e-wallet transactions through Passbook.
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Apple needs to get its ass in gear.

It's nearly April and they have not released anything so far, competitors are beating them to it, still no news on Mac Pro either, they are still advertising it on the online store but you can't buy it, bit pointless showing an item that is no longer available.
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of course it will. Apple won't want devs to support two screen sizes. It will be iPhone 4 guts (or possibly the new single core A5) in a plastic iPhone 5 body.

but i still don't think it will happen.

edit: on second thought... it will happen. When the iPhone 5s or 6 is released, they will get rid of the iPhone 4 & 4s as they still support the 30pin dock connector. They need to replace the free on contract phone with something. I don't see the iPhone 5 going that route. They will need something with higher margins than the current iPhone 4. (they will also ax the iPad 2 with the iPad refresh this year for the same reason).

4", plastic unibody, single core A5 (as in AppleTV) with 5mp camera (as in iPhone 4/iPod touch 5, iPad mini).
possibly non-retina and non-LTE depending on how much cost that would cut.
Priced around $350, it would add a nice $100 price margin over the current free-on-contract iPhone 4.
Priced around $250, it would flood the prepaid market. China and India would explode.
Edited by OllieWallieWhiskers - 3/15/13 at 6:01am
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Hopefully a mix of super-thin plastic and glass isn't as shatter prone as it sounds.
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I'm beginning to believe the rumors. Especially this analyst, he's pretty credible based on past claims. I think I'll stick with the aluminum myself ;-)
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Apple needs to get its ass in gear.

It's nearly April and they have not released anything so far, competitors are beating them to it, still no news on Mac Pro either, they are still advertising it on the online store but you can't buy it, bit pointless showing an item that is no longer available.

I'm glad Tim Cook doesn't follow your advice.  Apple should release products when they're ready, not follow competitors schedules or just release something because a competitor is releasing something.

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When the iPhone 5s or 6 is released, they will get rid of the iPhone 4 & 4s as they still support the 30pin dock connector. 

This is a good point.  I think this single fact is the most likely reason for seeing any variation from the usual "1 new iPhone iteration every year" pattern.  Apple have shown form here with the iPad refreshes last year.

 

Everything else is just a mix of opinion and nonsense.

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I cover all my iPhone with a case.  So it really does not matter what material it uses.

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Apple needs to get its ass in gear.

It's nearly April and they have not released anything so far, competitors are beating them to it, still no news on Mac Pro either, they are still advertising it on the online store but you can't buy it, bit pointless showing an item that is no longer available.

Entirely regular.

 

Plus, not true.  They refreshed the Apple TV.

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I'm glad Tim Cook doesn't follow your advice.  Apple should release products when they're ready, not follow competitors schedules or just release something because a competitor is releasing something.


I have to agree... to a certain point. So far Apple has kept to a schedule and it has worked out for them.

 

Time will tell if it will continue to work for Apple. Waiting too long to release new products has really damaged some companies.

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Apple can't win - release a new iPhone once a year and everyone complains they are not innovating. Release a new iPhone on a 6 monthly cycle and everyone complains that the phone they bought a couple of months ago has been made obsolete.
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...the company's new entry-level handset will have a 4-inch display...

Understandable; large displays on a phone are for cheapskates ¡
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I'm old school, I think Apple should continue with what's already been proven works and release products once a year. Also I'm skeptical on a cheaper iphone model, but I do like the idea of a 4 inch screen and not a larger screened model.
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I'm old school, I think Apple should continue with what's already been proven works and release products once a year. Also I'm skeptical on a cheaper iphone model, but I do like the idea of a 4 inch screen and not a larger screened model.

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I have to agree... to a certain point. So far Apple has kept to a schedule and it has worked out for them.

 

Time will tell if it will continue to work for Apple. Waiting too long to release new products has really damaged some companies.

But Apple just refreshed the majority of their product line last September and October.  You think they should refresh every 6 months?  Samsung didn't do that with the S4.  It will be available end of April, the S3 was available end of May.

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I'd be interested in seeing how well a single core A5 manages to run iOS. My 4S gets plenty of stutter as it is.

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Apple can't win - release a new iPhone once a year and everyone complains they are not innovating. Release a new iPhone on a 6 monthly cycle and everyone complains that the phone they bought a couple of months ago has been made obsolete.

I don't get this idea that Apple needs to structure their product cycles around what Samsung, HTC, etc. are doing.  So if Samsung announces a new phone Apple needs to be right behind them announcing their new phone?  

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The "budget" iPhone probably is the iPhone 5. Why would Apple change their strategy which has been so amazingly successful?
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But Apple just refreshed the majority of their product line last September and October.  You think they should refresh every 6 months?  Samsung didn't do that with the S4.  It will be available end of April, the S3 was available end of May.


You are forgetting that Samsung is always rolling out product. ie. Note and Note 2.

 

... and then there are its tablet introductions.

 

[btw... I never said anything about a 6 month refresh]

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I'd be interested in seeing how well a single core A5 manages to run iOS. My 4S gets plenty of stutter as it is.

Did your 4S stutter when it was first released? No. Not a single iPhone was choppy when it was released. They get choppy with iOS updates (that's why I don't update anymore).

 

I wouldn't put it past Apple to insert wait states in iOS based on iPhone version as an incentive to upgrade. If the single core A5 runs a current iOS version smoothly then I know that this assumption is true.

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I'm glad Tim Cook doesn't follow your advice.  Apple should release products when they're ready, not follow competitors schedules or just release something because a competitor is releasing something.


The iMacs were not ready. They often have delays to ramping up after announcing product.

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Did your 4S stutter when it was first released? No. Not a single iPhone was choppy when it was released. They get choppy with iOS updates (that's why I don't update anymore).

 

I wouldn't put it past Apple to insert wait states in iOS based on iPhone version as an incentive to upgrade. If the single core A5 runs a current iOS version smoothly then I know that this assumption is true.

 

Eh, I could deal with it becoming choppy since it's pretty old now, but iOS 6 really didn't bring anything to the table that should make a 4S run slower. So yeah, they probably just don't optimize for the old devices anymore. Still, an A5 in a new product would be weird, who on earth buys a phone with an SOC from 2011 in the year 2013?

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What would be awesome would be if that "low budget"-iPhone was the iPhone 5.

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And the 5s carbon fiber :D

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Apple needs to get its ass in gear.

It's nearly April and they have not released anything so far, competitors are beating them to it, still no news on Mac Pro either, they are still advertising it on the online store but you can't buy it, bit pointless showing an item that is no longer available.

 

Who has released something? Blackberry released their phone several months late and missed the entire Christmas quarter. HTC has released an actual phone. Samsung has announced a phone and given nebulous information about availability and pricing. Late April with undetermined pricing isn't a release in my view.

 

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Did your 4S stutter when it was first released? No. Not a single iPhone was choppy when it was released. They get choppy with iOS updates (that's why I don't update anymore).

 

I wouldn't put it past Apple to insert wait states in iOS based on iPhone version as an incentive to upgrade. If the single core A5 runs a current iOS version smoothly then I know that this assumption is true.

 

Eh, I could deal with it becoming choppy since it's pretty old now, but iOS 6 really didn't bring anything to the table that should make a 4S run slower. So yeah, they probably just don't optimize for the old devices anymore. Still, an A5 in a new product would be weird, who on earth buys a phone with an SOC from 2011 in the year 2013?

 

I call bullshit on this. My iPhone 4S has no issues at all with stutter. If you have issues try restarting, restoring it or something else. My phone is as smooth as can be.

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Apple could very well make a 5" screen for the iPhone 5S. They would just do the same thing they did with the iPhone 5 - put black bars on the left and right of the App. This is what the iPad does when you run an iPhone App on an iPad.

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Originally Posted by DarenDino View Post
Apple needs to get its ass in gear.

 

Not really.


It's nearly April and they have not released anything so far…

 

Utter falsehood.

 

…competitors are beating them to it…

 

TO WHAT?! TO WHAT?! WHAT COMPETITORS, AND TO WHAT?! THEY DON'T HAVE COMPETITORS IN THE COMPUTER DIVISION! THERE'S NOTHING NEW OUT TO WHICH THEY CAN BE BEATEN!


…still no news on Mac Pro either, they are still advertising it on the online store but you can't buy it, bit pointless showing an item that is no longer available.

 

I take it you're in Europe. Enjoy your regulations! lol.gif


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They refreshed the Apple TV.

 

Hardly. That wasn't a refresh.


Originally Posted by lightknight View Post
What would be awesome would be if that "low budget"-iPhone was the iPhone 5.

 

Indeed.


Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post
Apple could very well make a 5" screen for the iPhone 5S.

 

Right; that's just stupid, is all.


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Even if [the 5.5” iPhone exists], it doesn’t deserve to.
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They refreshed the Apple TV.

 

Seriously!

they changed the chip to exactly the same chip but in a smaller package. Same box, same specs. That's not a refresh.

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What would be awesome would be if that "low budget"-iPhone was the iPhone 5.

Where I live the iPhone 5 starts at a price of $699 (16GB) unlocked.  How is switching to a platic / glass casing going to make that a whole lot cheaper?

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Seriously!

they changed the chip to exactly the same chip but in a smaller package. Same box, same specs. That's not a refresh.

When the claim is that Apple haven't done anything, it counts.  They're busy bees, and lack of an event does not equate to lack of progress.

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Where I live the iPhone 5 starts at a price of $699 (16GB) unlocked.  How is switching to a platic / glass casing going to make that a whole lot cheaper?

 

It won't.  Any savings they would have from materials would be lost in retooling and ramping up manufacturing (test runs, reconfigs, etc).

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The budget iPhone has always been the previous generation with less costly chips (less memory, processor die reductions).  There's absolutely no reason to believe that will ever change.

 

It doesn't need to change because it works, and it works for a number of reasons; it's extremely cost effective and allows everyone to have the real deal, not some cheapo version.  Apple doesn't do cheap versions of anything.

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Who has released something? Blackberry released their phone several months late and missed the entire Christmas quarter. HTC has released an actual phone. Samsung has announced a phone and given nebulous information about availability and pricing. Late April with undetermined pricing isn't a release in my view.

 

 

I call bullshit on this. My iPhone 4S has no issues at all with stutter. If you have issues try restarting, restoring it or something else. My phone is as smooth as can be.

Their time span stretches into "June" with the United States being reported as later in that range.....

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How did a rumor that Apple would ever produce a larger display iPhone as a cheaper alternative ever even get started? They have never ever done that. The 17" Macbook Pro was essentially the same as the 15" version but priced far higher. Same goes for the 15" vs. 13" versions. The larger iPad is more expensive than the iPad Mini but also has many other better specs. Why would they completely reverse themselves and make a larger display and then sell it cheaper? Makes no sense. 

 

Apple always offers a clear differentiation in their products and makes compromises on cheaper products as an incentive to consumers to buy the more expensive version. Hard to believe that a cheaper iPhone would have an identical display. There has to be some compromises you must make to get that lower price point and avoid massive cannibalization. One possibility that makes sense is the cheaper iPhone stays the same size and specs as the iPhone 5 and the next standard iPhone gets bumped specs and a larger display size. 

 

"One possibility that makes sense is the cheaper iPhone stays the same size and specs as the iPhone 5 and the next standard iPhone gets bumped specs and a larger display size."

 

Now this makes sense

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It won't.  Any savings they would have from materials would be lost in retooling and ramping up manufacturing (test runs, reconfigs, etc).

My thoughts exactly.

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The picture showing the past, current, and rumored 'low-cost' iphones gave me an a-ha moment, of sorts.

 

So, once the 5S is released, the current 5 model will be losing the metal casing for this new 'plastic/glass-fiber' casing. It will become the $99 model (with contract) for which 4S is currently offered. The pre-paid, non-contract carriers may have more flexibility with pricing (charging the non-subsidized price upfront, or doing some kind of 'installment plan' like what seems to be working in India).

 

So, stepping back, it doesn't look like Apple's basic strategy of introducing a new model and then keeping the current model as a cheaper option is changing all that much. The decision to change the casing material however, does bring up a few questions (including the a-ha bit):

 

 the a-ha part is that going forward, will Apple continue to offer the 4S as a 'free' (albeit with contract) option, or take this opportunity to get rid of the 3.5 inch screen form factor altogether and just consolidate to the 4-inch screen form? It would seem uncharacteristic of Apple to have the new model with 'premium' case, the previous model in the 'low-cost' casing, and then, hey, 3.5 inch 4S with the glass sandwich. That's three different kinds of iphone casings. Eh, maybe...but why?

 

- will the margins change for the older model? At first I thought that the margins would increase because of the plastic-glass-fiber casing, but the price of the phone would be less as well (to the consumer and the carriers), so maybe the difference isn't all that much.

 

So, the 'low-cost' as the business press keeps foaming at the mouth about isn't 'low-cost' to the consumer, but 'low cost' to Apple themselves.

 

Thoughts?

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I have to agree... to a certain point. So far Apple has kept to a schedule and it has worked out for them.

 

Time will tell if it will continue to work for Apple. Waiting too long to release new products has really damaged some companies.


Their "schedule" in recent past would see a new iPad released around this time. But if the spec refresh in October was considered a new iPad, then it will be a longer wait than usual before anything else. The amazing thing to me is that there isn't even a serious rumor about an impending product launch.

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It won't.  Any savings they would have from materials would be lost in retooling and ramping up manufacturing (test runs, reconfigs, etc).


That doesn't make sense.

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I take it you're in Europe. Enjoy your regulations! lol.gif

 

 

I take it you're in the US. Enjoy your guns, creationism-based science education and retrograde healthcare system. lol.gif

 

Oh damn, so am I. lol.gif

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So, once the 5S is released, the current 5 model will be losing the metal casing for this new 'plastic/glass-fiber' casing.

 


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It would seem uncharacteristic of Apple to have the new model with 'premium' case, the previous model in the 'low-cost' casing, and then, hey, 3.5 inch 4S with the glass sandwich. That's three different kinds of iphone casings. Eh, maybe...but why?

 

So your conclusion is that it doesn't make sense to create a whole new lower-cost phone that's made of completely different materials?  I'd have to agree with that.

 

 

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So, the 'low-cost' as the business press keeps foaming at the mouth about isn't 'low-cost' to the consumer, but 'low cost' to Apple themselves.

 

Thoughts?

 

Low cost to Apple is reducing component costs and ramping down existing inventories and manufacturing capabilities.

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That doesn't make sense.

 

What a convincing argument.

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