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If there was a site that was guaranteed to be 100% free of Fandroids, that might be worth a few bucks to me.

 

The need to insult your competition shows a lack of a true argument against them.

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The need to insult your competition shows a lack of a true argument against them.

Android is not my competition. I'm not Apple, though I have been known to own a few AAPL shares from time to time.

 

I don't really see Android as competition at all, since I believe that they are targeting a different type of consumer, a consumer that I don't really care about, and a consumer that I don't believe that Apple should bother going after.

 

I've been a fan of Apple long before they began selling hundreds of millions of devices, and I'm not a fan of Apple because of the quantity of phones that they might sell. Needless to say, I am not the least bit impressed by Android, it is a vastly inferior operating system for my needs, and I would never even consider it. As you might have seen from my iPad screen shot, I have a lot of music apps. That is impossible on Android, it is a non starter.

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This is so mindless. Change for the sake of change? Does the guy make a single suggestion as to what FUNCTIONALITY needs to change?

Are there thing I want changed? Yes. Do I want it to get more flashy? No. I want useless crap like animated knob anisotropy left out.

I want the successive iterations of the OS to not be slower and slower. That's "change I can believe in."

I don't want ios to be like a desktop computer. I like ios for its single tasking GUI. Multitasking is not effective in human behavior and is not all that effective in computing either. Doing more than one thing at a time is well known as a killer of productivity for human beings and, as we tech people see with desktop computers, has limited value in computing itself (the system resources should always be dedicated primarily to responding to the user at all times, and this doesn't happen, especially with many applications and system services running all at one time; it's self defeating).

So... Change what??

Capitalism leads consumers into expecting change for one reason: buying the same thing again and again. It's not in consumer interest, so they blab about new features you gotta have. Sometimes they're useful additions. Often, it's marginal or utterly wasteful. Yet, consumers are lead on. It's not choice or free market. It's conditioning. It has been very successful. They believe it themselves, and the market analysts declare stability as a negative.

This behavior isn't sustainable! Is there any wonder the market collapsed?? There's so little long term thinking. Just sell sell sell! Is it worth the effort? If it makes some more profit this quarter, who cares otherwise???
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Android is not my competition. I'm not Apple, though I have been known to own a few AAPL shares from time to time.

 

I don't really see Android as competition at all, since I believe that they are targeting a different type of consumer, a consumer that I don't really care about, and a consumer that I don't believe that Apple should bother going after.

 

I've been a fan of Apple long before they began selling hundreds of millions of devices, and I'm not a fan of Apple because of the quantity of phones that they might sell. Needless to say, I am not the least bit impressed by Android, it is a vastly inferior operating system for my needs, and I would never even consider it. As you might have seen from my iPad screen shot, I have a lot of music apps. That is impossible on Android, it is a non starter.

 

I was talking about you not supporting AppleInsider with ads and trying to change the subject on me skipping past commercials on DVR. Nothing to do with Apple or Android.

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There seems to be a lot of this these days. The fevered pitch of emotional attachment to all products mobile seems, to me, to be peaking. Executives and CEOs from all the major players are feeding the media wars with their quotes hoping to continue fueling the product loyalism, like religion or tribalism. It's all quite fun and entertaining. I don't think that Apple needs to worry one bit about this however. They are the market leader, not only in profit, but they are the leader of the mindset on quality and satisfaction. Apple is going to thrive regardless of the nay-Sayers....IMO... My observations on the current market are that Google has accomplished what they wanted to by slowing Apple out of the gate and to establish a framework to get the the Google Services Apps on the majority of mobile OSs and under their control. Android will likely fade or get forked to all corners of the planet and Google will only fight to maintain there Service presence on the biggest emerging players. They want your eyes. The horses have left the barn and they have lost control of the OS. BB and MS are well positioned to take advantage of this situation especially as they have both created fantastic products and UIs. There still remains the possibility that other OSs may rise like Tizen, FirefoxOS? In all of this coming instability however Apple is best positioned to maintain and extend its dominance. They also ... IMO...need to learn from the shifts in the competitive mobile UI landscape and adapt a little.     

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And triangular shaped wheels! Those round ones are so boring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/09/mythbusters-tests-the-square-wheel-theory/

(OK, not triangles, but close enough).
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I hope ios7 doesn't change much, honestly I don't want to see widgets, live wallpapers, swype, and a bunch of software features that you see on some of the android phones. I'm old school, I just want ios7 to look relatively the same as the first ios in 2007. I prefer speed, fluidity, solid battery life over a bunch of features that most people wont use anyways.

 

Agreed. Here is what is good about iOS. My 4 year old can use it. My 9yr old can use it. My wife can use it. And I, a developer with 18yrs of experience writing software can use it. I cut my teeth on Unix C. I've written code in C++ and Java on Windows and Unix(and Linux) and C#. I've used various open source frameworks like Spring and TCL/TK.   I used OS/2 back in the day.

 

I've skinned my GUIs, tinkered and tweaked and STILL the iPhone and iPad are my devices of choice.

 

That's what's special. It appeals to techno-hardcore and novice alike.  And you get all of this with the best vendor support, best app selection, best 3rd party support, fewest hassles and least amount of malware.

 

Why on Earth would anyone listen to anything Blackberry has to offer. Say it with actions, not words.

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My lies??? I heard lithium helps conditions like yours.

 

And educating yourself helps yours. There's not much else to say to someone that claims "iOS has no hierarchy" and resorts to pathetic insults.

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I was talking about you not supporting AppleInsider with ads and trying to change the subject on me skipping past commercials on DVR. Nothing to do with Apple or Android.

You must be talking about somebody else, because I haven't mentioned anything about any commercials or DVRs.

 

As for ads, I block them all on every single site that I visit. I don't trust them at all, and I see them as a threat to my security and privacy. I'm not on Facebook and I don't want Facebook tracking me, I don't want Google tracking me, I don't want anybody tracking me.

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Why don't you start your own site, then you would be sure. And it would keep you away from the rest of us, which would be worth a few bucks at least.

I am objective enough to realize that that would never work. First of all, I am not willing to put the time, money and effort into such an endeavor and secondly, I can freely admit that I would probably be the worst moderator in the world. I would be banning people left and right.

 

If it were up to me, approximately 20% of the users on this site would be instantly banned.

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And if I didn't want to I wouldn't have to. I'm just glad I have that option.

In my opinion, if Apple wants to continue to entice the young, very tech savvy, gotta-have-it-now, always want to be the newest, generation of kids that will soon have disposable income, iOS needs to change. It's just my opinion from seeing all my friends and colleges and classmates who mostly have non-Apple phones. No offense, but, you sound exactly like the parents in the Samsung ads. Apple would have to do so little to make that change happen and I really hope they do.

No offense taken, but Samsung's Apple-parents don't look like they went to Woodstock or did much acid.

You are right that there is a generational divide, but a new generation isn't always on the right path, nor a population within a generation. The first batch to inherit a new technology is sometimes exhibits a sacrificial early-adopter case of overdose. Like the fluff-heads in the fities, before we got a serious new culture inherited from the Beats, which in turn led directly to the personal computer.

Apple is still trading on the sixties notion of personal amplification through authentic experience. What you are talking about is the early effect of frenetic distraction caused naturally by the injection of a new technology into a culture. Like the fifties fluffheads or the twenties flappers, it's destined to be supeceded by something more authentic. I don't know if Apple will adapt, but I do know that Android is serving this crop of damaged nervous systems. You can see it in their ads, their iconography, and their twitchy "open" operating system.
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Well in a way , yes , there is some truth to this , the interface needs to be refreshed , it does look a bit dusty . Im sure Mr Ive will come up with some new designs for the OS . I do agree on the simplicity of use, I think is the way the whole OS looks now, it needs a bit of pizzaz and a tweak to the icons and the way u look at the phone , maybe floating transparent icons that minimize while on the screen but magnify as u go over them ? and a newer design of the dock ? and how u get to the most used apps?
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Apple has sold more than 500,000,000 (half a billion) iOS devices. Drastucally changing the UI of an OS that so many people use, love, and find intuitive is not a light step to take, and a responsible company like Apple realizes that. You can just as easily confuse and turn off people. I have no doubt iOS7 will see some major changes, but have some fucking patience and understand that there's alot more at stake than the poorly thought out fantasies of tech nerds. 

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BMW doesn't desperately change the dash of the ultimate driving machine each year either.
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Can iOS benefit from a refresh? Yes. Has it been refreshed for the better in the past? Arguably, yes. Will it get newly-refreshed without adding unnecessary complexity? Probably. Having said that, from what I've read so far in these comments, the vast majority of iOS's "shortcomings" could be solved by one or more of the following maneuvers:

 

1) Locate your Settings app icon on the springboard dock,

 

2) download one or more of about 1,000,000 third-party apps for any of your specific needs, 

 

3) jailbreak and move on with your life, or

 

4) switch to Android (see #3, above).

 

The bellyaching over iOS seems to be coming from people who would better be served by an Android device or the complaints are so user-specific that the types of overhauls being suggested would leave the vast majority of others with different preferences left behind by the changes. 

 

Honestly, how many times a day does anyone need to check the weather? Wake up, open weather app, check the weather. Done. Why waste any battery life with dynamic weather widgets? I could go on and on.

 

It has been a highly-successful business strategy of Apple's to be ok with allowing software developers and accessory makers to cater to iOS device owners with more specific needs. It's called building an ecosystem.

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post #217 of 264
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BMW doesn't desperately change the dash of the ultimate driving machine each year either.

This is true, but ... the rate of change in development of computers is drastically more rapid than Automobiles. Where I am from there are still many cars that are 50 years old that are functioning and still on the road and easily maintainable. I don't see many 10 year old computers still in use. I've only seen a couple of computers in my life from the 1960's and they were at Universities. Fundamentally different things and at different places in their developments. Top end Swiss watches have not changed their UI or design for a century but again a completely different thing. BMW has changed their dash quite a bit in each 'decade' of the last half century. 

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Two historical tidbits:

1. The LSD Generation was, inadvertently, a creation of the Establishment: in the years prior to it being made illegal, most of the LSD distributed in the US came from the CIA.

2. According to the biography "The Journey is the Reward", during his college years Steve Jobs took LSD weekly; in more recent years Jobs has cited not taking LSD as one of the reasons for what he felt was Bill Gates' limited thinking.

Yes, it was a bit of a surprise to read in "Acid Dreams" and "Storming Heaven" just how much we owe the CIA for the consciousness that still stands at the top of the Zeitgeist. At the time, we didn't think to ask where the acid came from, just whether it was clean phamacologically.

I still think "What the Dormouse Said" by John Markoff is essential reading for the Bohemian origins of the personal computer's ethic and instrumentation. I haven't checked out "The Journey is the Reward," must do so. But I bet you can derive Apple's OS philosophy from Jobs's early "education."

I don't know if the CIA should be included within the term "Establishment," by the way. In their secret psych warfare role, they were profoundly anti-establishment. Is this on topic?
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If Apple doesn't do something fresh and interesting with iOS 7 I'll be switching to an Android device. The new HTC One is very impressive. I like the iPhone quite a bit but I haven't been excited about anything they've done for years, found iOS5 and iOS6 very boring, increasingly scattered design mentality, and making me wonder what they are even doing over there with all the talent in the world coming up with very little each year.

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A grid of icons is an "invention"? Yeah, maybe in 1984.

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post #221 of 264
When Apple needs advice from Blackberry on how to have a successful phone, I'm sure they'll let them know.
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Originally Posted by september11th View Post
If Apple doesn't do something fresh and interesting with iOS 7 I'll be switching to an Android device.

 

Bye. 


…making me wonder what they are even doing over there with all the talent in the world coming up with very little each year.

 

Maybe they're, you know, not "coming up with very little".

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post #223 of 264
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I think that it's visually outdated, but it works.

 

I'd love to be able to glance at weather info on the lockscreen without having to unlock the phone. Something like that just seems like a no-brainer.

 

Yeah that lockscreen needs to be more useful. Come one Apple!

 

While I think the UI is efficient, the UX is too basic and could definitely use an up haul .  That's why I always JB my phone c/c I enjoy using my iPhone much more with SB Settings and Activiator installed.

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STUPID ARTICLE. STUPID CEO. STUPID BLACKBERRY.

Computer interfaces have been basically the same for almost 3 decades. I don't hear anyone clamoring for an overhaul of that. I think it would be stupid for a company to radically overhaul a UI to appease Wall Street. Incremental changes, otherwise people would complain about how much different the UI is and how they need to learn it all over again (windows 8).

I'm done with Appleinsider for awhile. The articles here are straight-up bullshit.
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Heh. Blackberry criticizing someone else's "outdated interface."

This is the company that literally JUST released the phone in this photo - which is the iPhoniest iPhone clone I've ever seen:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/01/first-bb10-update/
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I'm surprised not a single one of the hard-core users on the forum mentioned this: for Apple to add a list view or cover flow for apps, they would essentially be adding what they took out of iOS. Because as everyone knows, iOS is based on and essentially a child of OS X. I would guestimate 100 ines of code max for each "feature". In fact quite a few "features" could be put back in so to speak, even opening with default app, or as some others have mentioned, widgets and Dashboard.

Fact is that iOS shares the same code as OS X, but adds the Core Touch framework, so anything is possible. HOWEVER: the Apple mantra of what's thrown out for sake up usability is more important than ever going forward. The Microsoft experiment, and the free-for-all Android and specifically the hideous feature bloat of the Samsung S4 proves this point.
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I'm surprised not a single one of the hard-core users on the forum mentioned this: for Apple to add a list view or cover flow for apps, they would essentially be adding what they took out of iOS. Because as everyone knows, iOS is based on and essentially a child of OS X. I would guestimate 100 ines of code max for each "feature". In fact quite a few "features" could be put back in so to speak, even opening with default app, or as some others have mentioned, widgets and Dashboard.

Fact is that iOS shares the same code as OS X, but adds the Core Touch framework, so anything is possible. HOWEVER: the Apple mantra of what's thrown out for sake up usability is more important than ever going forward. The Microsoft experiment, and the free-for-all Android and specifically the hideous feature bloat of the Samsung S4 proves this point.

Note they already have CoverFlow in iTunes so I would guess the lines of code to pull the App icons would be much less than 100 to make this work. That said, I hope they don't do this. I've long wished that I could disable CoverFlow in Music nee iTunes as any tilt too much will switch to a view I hate using on iOS.

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I've long wished that I could disable CoverFlow in Music nee iTunes as any tilt too much will switch to a view I hate using on iOS.

Fully agree sir, I don't like that either. In fact, I find it annoying. Good thing the iPhone 5 flips back portrait/landscape quicker that previous models.
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^^

there are some good suggestions here, and I think a lot of them would make iOS more functional.  I don't think they're just change for the sake of change.  I'm not necessarily a fan of widgets but why does the home screen need to be a grid of apps?  What if I wanted it to just show date/time/weather and the apps I use the most?  Or access to most used settings.  And have all my other apps on a different screen which could be organized alphabetically or by some category.  And I'd only need to see them when I want to access one of those apps.  There are things Apple can do which would benefit the user. If iOS was perfect Scott Forstall would still be at Apple.

Uh...Scott is still at Apple, last time i remember.  And still being consulted as an Advisor to iOS development.

what you suggest alienates a lot of people that don't want the OS to automatically organize your apps for you.

Just a grid of Apps?  Uh, your Mac is the same way and I don't hear anyone complaining about that?  What would you suggest instead of a grid of Apps that easy to use in a single handed touch interface?  The only way it could get more user-freindly would be to make it entirely Siri-friendly or telepathy.

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If Apple doesn't do something fresh and interesting with iOS 7 I'll be switching to an Android device. The new HTC One is very impressive. I like the iPhone quite a bit but I haven't been excited about anything they've done for years, found iOS5 and iOS6 very boring, increasingly scattered design mentality, and making me wonder what they are even doing over there with all the talent in the world coming up with very little each year.

If you can still post this without embarrassment after reading through this thread, then I guess I give up on your type.

Your type? Over-amped, ADD nervous system, with nothing better to do than play with your phone and whine about how it no longer gets you off. If you are bored with the OS of your iPhone, I suggest that the problem is with you.

I wouldn't bother criticizing you, but your junk meme is sucking in other people and causing a fictitious problem. Helping to tank the stock, I might add. Switch. Bye.
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I was talking about you not supporting AppleInsider with ads and trying to change the subject on me skipping past commercials on DVR. Nothing to do with Apple or Android.

I was the one who mentioned I would wager that you skipped commercials using a DVR....even though you currently don't have/use one, and you were the one who brought up that blocking GoogleAds was pathetic. I was just saying that you are (were) probably guilty of doing the same thing with TV ads. DVRs are not provided for free, the cost is built into the subscription and if you had one you would skip commercials. There is no doubt in my mind.

 

What difference does it make if one ignores the ads on AppleInsider or uses a plug-in to block them? Blocking them just serves to reduce clutter on the webpage.

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If you can still post this without embarrassment after reading through this thread, then I guess I give up on your type.

Your type? Over-amped, ADD nervous system, with nothing better to do than play with your phone and whine about how it no longer gets you off. If you are bored with the OS of your iPhone, I suggest that the problem is with you.

I wouldn't bother criticizing you, but your junk meme is sucking in other people and causing a fictitious problem. Helping to tank the stock, I might add. Switch. Bye.

Don't feed the concern trolls. It just makes it worse.

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If Apple doesn't do something fresh and interesting with iOS 7 I'll be switching to an Android device. The new HTC One is very impressive. I like the iPhone quite a bit but I haven't been excited about anything they've done for years, found iOS5 and iOS6 very boring, increasingly scattered design mentality, and making me wonder what they are even doing over there with all the talent in the world coming up with very little each year.

 

Make sure to let Apple know about your ultimatum, I have no doubt they will take that into consideration and shift their entire product strategy to suit your specific wants.

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Thank you for answering your own question.

 

Re-read my question.  It remains unanswered.

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Icons with realtime data would be nice too.  Want to know the temperature?  Look at the weather app icon which instead of the sun and 72 degrees it always displays as it's icon could be the actual temperature and weather...  The clock could show you the actual time, or if you have a timer or stopwatch going, update in realtime.  Sure, get a whole screen of icons that all want to tell you something and you have a mess but...

 

All of that said, I really DON'T like the whole Android widget thing.  Weird mixed metaphor of icons and apps.

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Blackberry's CEO telling anyone how to innovate in the phone market is like a 600lb man telling someone how to lose weight.

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Why mess with a good thing? 

Like the former RIM CEO's, once you start criticizing Apple, your future ain't looking so bright. 

"Why mess with a good thing?" is probably what masters of Nokia/Symbian, RIM and Win CE were telling themselves when iOS, and later Android, hit the market.

After all, they had market share and were still selling good in the first year of iPhone availability, likely longer.

But I personally think you need to keep things fresh pro-actively, rather than wait for decline before you start acting. Of course, this is just my own point of view; I don't know how many others share it, if any significant number. But I do know that, running 3Gs with iOS6, I am really not inspired to get new iPhone. I don't care for features that require advanced hardware; I don't game on phone anything even remotely complex, I have dedicated camera in my pocket/bag/car all the time... but I would like improved functionality with base features - messages, calendar, contacts, email - and, save for higher res screen and snappier response, I would not get much with new iPhone from what I have now.
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Icons with realtime data would be nice too.  Want to know the temperature?  Look at the weather app icon which instead of the sun and 72 degrees it always displays as it's icon could be the actual temperature and weather...  The clock could show you the actual time, or if you have a timer or stopwatch going, update in realtime.  Sure, get a whole screen of icons that all want to tell you something and you have a mess but...

All of that said, I really DON'T like the whole Android widget thing.  Weird mixed metaphor of icons and apps.

These are exact things I like with Windows 8 / WP8 tiles. I'm also not too enthusiastic with Android - in fact, after trying handful of widgets on my Android tablet, I have revered back to basic layout with no widgets. Probably lack of uniformity of widgets design is what doesn't work for me on Android.

So for me, tiles functionality presented in different (more Apple-esque?) way. I honestly don't know what that way should be, but then - there is a reason why I am not Jony Ive.
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This is almost as good as PlayBook's "AMATEUR HOUR IS OVER" campaign.

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So you're using complete and utter idiots as examples? Is that really what you want to do? They don't count.

 

Never mind that another of your links look to be outdated in the extreme (pre-multitasking). 

 

 

I don't use Google services. My feelings will not change on it. It will be nowhere near my computing devices. And it's certainly not the future.

So you HATE google too !

Why do these droids think that something they love and we despise will suddely turn up on our iDevices just because they think its so wonderful.

Wishful thinking maybe. They are so absorbed in their micro-worlds that they cannot or refuse to see the big picture.


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