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Adobe has confirmed that its Chief Technology Officer Kevin Lynch is leaving the company and will be joining the ranks at Apple in the near future.

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Update: Adobe has sent word to The Next Web that effective March 22, Lynch will be exiting the company for a position at Apple:

Kevin Lynch, Adobe CTO, is leaving the company effective March 22 to take a position at Apple. We will not be replacing the CTO position; responsibility for technology development lies with our business unit heads under the leadership of Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen. Bryan Lamkin, who has recently returned to Adobe, will assume responsibilities for cross company research and technology initiatives as well as Corporate Development. We wish Kevin well in this new chapter of his career.



Update 2: Apple spokesman Steve Dowling confirmed the hire to AllThingsD, saying that Lynch will join Apple as vice president of technology. In his new role, Lynch will report to Apple's Senior Vice President of Technologies Bob Mansfield, who oversees Apple?s wireless and semiconductor teams.

A tweet sent out by CNBC reporter Jon Fortt was first to mention the rumored move, with a follow-up tweet claiming the departure will occur later this week.

According to his profile on Adobe's website, Lynch joined the company when it acquired Macromedia in 2005 and currently oversees Adobe's Research and Experience Design teams. The executive is also known to have been a strong proponent of Flash and was one of the louder voices criticizing Apple's ongoing quest to deprecate the software from the Mac platform.

It is unclear what position Lynch will take at Apple, though recent management stir-ups, including the ousting of former iOS chief Scott Forstall, have left a number of posts open.

Apple has yet to issue a statement regarding Lynch's move.
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After playing a major role in the death of Flash, Apple hires Adobe CTO, who subsequently resurrects Flash as a Apple branded product that only works on iOS browsers. /s

But seriously, please have extremely high standards now that you're working for Apple. My main impression of Adobe is from Flash and Acrobat, and it's not a good one.
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After playing a major role in the death of Flash, Apple hires Adobe CTO, who subsequently resurrects Flash as a Apple branded product that only works on iOS browsers. /s

But seriously, please have extremely high standards now that you're working for Apple. My main impression of Adobe is from Flash and Acrobat, and it's not a good one.


Did we really need to start this off with condescension? If you look at Adobe's upper management, it's not exactly run by the engineers, or I should say the important decisions aren't really made by them. If you're going to spout off nonsense about high standards, at least do some research into the specific person that was recruited.

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With all the problems Adobe products have had on OSX........all the security holes.....

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Perhaps he will work on the iCloud service.

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With all the problems Adobe products have had on OSX........all the security holes.....

I seem to be installing a lot of Apple security fixes too. Let me think...when was that? Oh that's right...this morning, last week, and the week before that.

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Did we really need to start this off with condescension? If you look at Adobe's upper management, it's not exactly run by the engineers, or I should say the important decisions aren't really made by them. If you're going to spout off nonsense about high standards, at least do some research into the specific person that was recruited.

I agree with the first sentence. But as for Adobe not being run by engineers, what about their CEO? If you are going to spout off about how a company is run, at least do some research into the background of the very top decision maker.

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After playing a major role in the death of Flash, Apple hires Adobe CTO, who subsequently resurrects Flash as a Apple branded product that only works on iOS browsers. /s

But seriously, please have extremely high standards now that you're working for Apple. My main impression of Adobe is from Flash and Acrobat, and it's not a good one.

It is so sad that you are thinking of Flash.  It is about Creative Applications Suite!

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Why doesn't Apple buy Adobe?

 

Or is this a prelude to that?

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Why doesn't Apple buy Adobe?

Or is this a prelude to that?

Your post would be greatly appreciated if you'd stated your reasoned thinking on this, why they would be an asset to Apple, if the products would change much or if they would be integrated into the Apple Eco system.

I don't know myself, but can't seem to figure out why they would be an asset to Apple. They are a hardware company. Of course they sell software, and the driving force for selling their hardware is their software, but I simply don't see what Adobe could bring that would make Apple sell more computers.
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I seem to be installing a lot of Apple security fixes too. Let me think...when was that? Oh that's right...this morning, last week, and the week before that.


And? Shows that Apple is proactive on fixing bugs and security holes... Apple moving towards a strategy more similar to Linux's than to Microsoft's seems a very, very good thing to me.

 

Or you'd rather have like one security patch a decade?

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... Lynch joined the company when it acquire (sic) Macromedia in 2005 and currently oversees Adobe's Research and Experience Design teams. The executive is also known to have been a strong proponent of Flash ...

 

These things alone would seem to make him a horrible candidate for a job at Apple.  He was at Adobe through the worst part of their history when their corporate behaviour and their product was at it's worst, he was responsible for the teams that made some of the worst UI designs in computer history and he is an advocate of Flash, one of the worst plug-ins ever made.  

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Your post would be greatly appreciated if you'd stated your reasoned thinking on this, why they would be an asset to Apple, if the products would change much or if they would be integrated into the Apple Eco system.

I don't know myself, but can't seem to figure out why they would be an asset to Apple. They are a hardware company. Of course they sell software, and the driving force for selling their hardware is their software, but I simply don't see what Adobe could bring that would make Apple sell more computers.

 

The code base for Adobe's products is a many year's old nightmare using ancient technology.  A lot of their UI is written in Flash for cripes sake.  

 

If Apple wanted to buy something like that they would do better to buy Pixelmator than Photoshop.  Adobe's stuff would have to be re-written from the ground up.  Their employees are not worth anything either.  

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Perhaps he will work on the iCloud service.

If that were true, he'd be reporting to Eddy Cue but he isn't. He's going to be VP of Technology and reporting to Bob Mansfield so his job doesn't seem all that related to software.

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``Apple as vice president of technology''

He's taking a demotion to work for Apple. He needs to earn it.
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Why doesn't Apple buy Adobe?

 

Or is this a prelude to that?

 

Cause it's a pile of dung and Apple doesn't invest billions when it takes over any company. By design and practice they buy small companies for specific and unique technologies, not a portfolio of some good and a bag of hurt.

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Why doesn't Apple buy Adobe?

Or is this a prelude to that?
Yes, buy Adobe and merge Final Cut Pro 7 and Premiere Pro into one great pro editing app then Final Cut X can remain for the amateurs it was designed for. Merge all the Apple and Adobe creative apps so Apple owns the best creative programs out there.
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... Lynch joined the company when it acquire (sic) Macromedia in 2005 and currently oversees Adobe's Research and Experience Design teams. The executive is also known to have been a strong proponent of Flash ...

 

These things alone would seem to make him a horrible candidate for a job at Apple.  He was at Adobe through the worst part of their history when their corporate behaviour and their product was at it's worst, he was responsible for the teams that made some of the worst UI designs in computer history and he is an advocate of Flash, one of the worst plug-ins ever made.  

This was exactly my reaction too!

 

WTF? I hope this doesn't become another Dixonesque hire. 1hmm.gif

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Why doesn't Apple buy Adobe?

Or is this a prelude to that?

There's a part of me that thinks the CS Suite and Apple's ProApps would fit together very well but we've all seen what Apple does with their ProApps. I wouldn't like to see that happen with the CS Suite.

It's the same cycle they do with everything. When Apple has something new, they shout it from the rooftops. Then it gets the yearly updates. Then the updates slip to every other year. Then it gets to that last version and people start to get a bit anxious. The time draws out and before you know it, it's been 3 years since Aperture 3.

Software does tend to stabilise and doesn't require the constant addition of features and that has mostly happened to the Adobe apps, Office apps etc but the major revisions on Apple software just let you know there's no chance of an EOL decision. Aperture is at least getting plenty of minor updates that people don't have to buy so that's probably safe but Apple taking over control of the CS Suite could be more damaging than beneficial.

It could seriously damage Microsoft if they dropped Windows support but that's a double-edged sword because it would encourage people to look for alternatives to the CS Suite. It doesn't seem likely to me that this is a prelude to a takeover but strange things have happened in the past. I do find it a bit odd that he's working with Mansfield though - he works with hardware.
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and he is an advocate of Flash, one of the worst plug-ins ever made.  

I sort of agree with you on the plug-in issue. The fact that you need a plug-in at all is already an admission of failure. I really like Flash though. As a multimedia tool like Director and Authorware that came before it, you can construct really compelling content. It is sort of like FCP with some After Effects, along with a little interactivity thrown in and great support for scalable vectors. Very powerful environment, but perhaps too powerful and wild to unleash on the Internet. I'm working right now on some Flash trade show presentations that will run on vertically mounted monitors. In my opinion there is no other application that can even come close to matching Flash in terms of sophistication and flexibility of design and animation.

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The code base for Adobe's products is a many year's old nightmare using ancient technology.  A lot of their UI is written in Flash for cripes sake.  

 

If Apple wanted to buy something like that they would do better to buy Pixelmator than Photoshop.  Adobe's stuff would have to be re-written from the ground up.  Their employees are not worth anything either.  

That's such wrong-headed thinking that it's bewildering. Without knowing most (any?) of them, you can arrive at the conclusion that they aren't worth anything? Wow!

 

Probably, you might argue that because their products suck (in your opinion, which has a spotty record at best), the developers must suck too. Does that mean all engineers who have ever worked on Windows are worthless? What about iCloud? What about Mobile Me?

 

I realize you know shit about software development and technology. But you are not allowed to use that as an excuse here. In general, it is pretty stupid to paint an entire company of people with the brush that you use on the product itself.

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I've seen this guy talk a few times. Never liked him. Strange hire for Apple.

 

I wish Apple bought more/any small iOS dev companies. They should have rehired Brichter ages ago and given him lead design of iOS under Ive. They should buy 53, rebrand Paper and let that team work alone on their next big app. They should have bought Instagram. Chump change for Apple and it would have given them the social footprint they need. They should have bought Twitter 2 years ago. The rumour is Twitter wouldn't sell, but my gut says they'd sell to Apple if Apple really wanted them. Twitter is an Apple-style social network, and it's falling apart because Twitter doesn't make money from hardware. Apple could clean Twitter up, improve the apps and the platform by 10 and stick an iAd every so often in the timeline of clients on all other platforms, but keep iOS and Mac Twitter timelines clean. They should have bought PushPopPress right when they launched their first app and built iBook Author far sooner and included a magazine and newspaper platform, so people would have a consistent, simple, intuitive and reliable way for reading textbooks, newspapers and magazines without the chrome, just like in real life. And make Newsstand exclusive to these things. So if you're in print and wish to have access to the huge iOS marketplace you'd have no choice to use Apple's free tools, which means the user wins.

 

THAT would be a good use for Apple's cash:

social networking ✔

iOS design ✔

Better platform apps ✔

Best platform by far for reading textbooks, magazines and newspapers ✔

 

Checkmate.

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So if you're in print and wish to have access to the huge iOS marketplace you'd have no choice to use Apple's free tools, which means the user wins.

 

Right because proprietary formats have always been a better solution than cross platform compatibility. In some applications it is unavoidable but when propriety is baked in as a means of a lock in, users don't win and neither do publishers. Expanding eBook specifications much like they are doing with HTML5 and CSS3 seems like a much more reasonable approach to me. Besides iBooks Author, although powerful has a lot of issues from a content development and delivery standpoint. The files are just too big and it is difficult to collaborate as a team because the files are encapsulated instead of being sectioned or compartmentalized which would enable them to  be joined together at a later time.


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Or you'd rather have like one security patch a decade?

Well, Tuesdays are already taken.
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If Apple wanted to buy something like that they would do better to buy Pixelmator than Photoshop.  Adobe's stuff would have to be re-written from the ground up.  Their employees are not worth anything either.  

Hmm, difficult to tell why you think their employees aren't worth anything. Many times Apple buys a company because of the talent their employees possess, not because the company they work for have a great and working product.
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Yes, buy Adobe and merge Final Cut Pro 7 and Premiere Pro into one great pro editing app then Final Cut X can remain for the amateurs it was designed for.

Comes across as an amateurish remark.
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Software does tend to stabilise and doesn't require the constant addition of features and that has mostly happened to the Adobe apps, Office apps etc but the major revisions on Apple software just let you know there's no chance of an EOL decision. Aperture is at least getting plenty of minor updates that people don't have to buy so that's probably safe but Apple taking over control of the CS Suite could be more damaging than beneficial.

Wow, what an excellent statement!
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I agree with the first sentence. But as for Adobe not being run by engineers, what about their CEO? If you are going to spout off about how a company is run, at least do some research into the background of the very top decision maker.

Oh man I missed that one. Thanks. I read previously that he was an MBA but missed the other parts of his education. It still does not make up for the hubris expressed by jerk comments like that first one and the one quoted below here. There's too much of a tendency to treat the company and its employees like one inseparable entity. In this case a few people don't like the direction of Adobe, so they assume everyone attached to be unintelligent, unimaginative, or whatever else.

 

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The code base for Adobe's products is a many year's old nightmare using ancient technology.  A lot of their UI is written in Flash for cripes sake.  

 

If Apple wanted to buy something like that they would do better to buy Pixelmator than Photoshop.  Adobe's stuff would have to be re-written from the ground up.  Their employees are not worth anything either.  

 

There are some implementations of various things that I dislike, but their engineers are sometimes vocal on their blog as to why things are or are not supported and the decisions made on what features could be included based on various schedules. Regarding the bolded portion, don't be a jerk. In case anyone doesn't recognize it, the incredibly dated term was intentional. The arrogant attitude that everyone at Apple is automatically superior to anyone at Adobe is annoying and myopic.

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The heading for this article would have been considerably more amusing if they had referred to Lynch as "the new Adobe Plug-in at Apple".

 

Does this mean all future Apple software boot-times will automatically be extended to at least twenty seconds now?

 

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Before everyone pans the hire, i like to remind you that Jony Ive started working at Apple in 1992 and lived through the dark period. They say a change of scenery can be beneficial.
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Before everyone pans the hire, i like to remind you that Jony Ive started working at Apple in 1992 and lived through the dark period. They say a change of scenery can be beneficial.


I get your point but not the analogy. Jony Ive didn't switch company. But, like I said, I get your point.

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Oh man I missed that one. Thanks. I read previously that he was an MBA but missed the other parts of his education. It still does not make up for the hubris expressed by jerk comments like that first one and the one quoted below here. There's too much of a tendency to treat the company and its employees like one inseparable entity. In this case a few people don't like the direction of Adobe, so they assume everyone attached to be unintelligent, unimaginative, or whatever else.

 

 

Kudos to you for having the humility to admit your omission - a rarity here. And I apologize for the unnecessarily sarcastic way of making the point.

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The heading for this article would have been considerably more amusing if they had referred to Lynch as "the new Adobe Plug-in at Apple".

 

 

Now that's funny.

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Don't know why a software dude would report to Mansfield. But Lynch could fill a serious void - There is no man leading or championing apps at Apple. While Federighi is in charge of Mac OS and iOS, Apple could use someone to lead development of apps such as iPhoto, iMovie, Aperture, and perhaps even the iWork suite. In this role, Lynch should be reporting to Federighi. But he is not. So, perhaps I am wrong. Or perhaps this is a condition of Lynch's hiring - he doesn't want to be the obvious 2nd banana in software.

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It is unclear what position Lynch will take at Apple
Looks like vice-CTO, if I am still able to read the article clearly.
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Don't know why a software dude would report to Mansfield. But Lynch could fill a serious void - There is no man leading or championing apps at Apple. While Federighi is in charge of Mac OS and iOS, Apple could use someone to lead development of apps such as iPhoto, iMovie, Aperture, and perhaps even the iWork suite. In this role, Lynch should be reporting to Federighi. But he is not. So, perhaps I am wrong. Or perhaps this is a condition of Lynch's hiring - he doesn't want to be the obvious 2nd banana in software.

I thought a natural fit would have been on iCloud as his latest project at Adobe was implementing Creative Cloud. Perhaps he needs to work in an unrelated department for a certain time frame as part of the contractual conditions that he would not serve in a conflicting role for a competitor or transfer any applicable technology to that competitor to comply with his NDAs with Adobe.

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The heading for this article would have been considerably more amusing if they had referred to Lynch as "the new Adobe Plug-in at Apple".

 

OK, that's pretty funny stuff.

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Don't know why a software dude would report to Mansfield. But Lynch could fill a serious void - There is no man leading or championing apps at Apple. While Federighi is in charge of Mac OS and iOS, Apple could use someone to lead development of apps such as iPhoto, iMovie, Aperture, and perhaps even the iWork suite. In this role, Lynch should be reporting to Federighi. But he is not. So, perhaps I am wrong. Or perhaps this is a condition of Lynch's hiring - he doesn't want to be the obvious 2nd banana in software.

I'm still curious to know exactly what Mansfield's team will be doing at Apple.  This guy doesn't seem like he's experienced with silicon or wireless which is what I thought Mansfield was working on.

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