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Just hours after word leaked that Apple had poached Adobe's chief technology officer, the Internet is ablaze with the question of what, exactly, the iPhone maker plans to do with Kevin Lynch.


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Lynch is particularly interesting as an executive choice for Apple because of his close association with Adobe Flash, a product he infamously clashed with Apple over, beginning in 2010.

Tensions between the two companies grew, particularly after the iPad appeared without any support for it, followed by a devastating essay written by Steve Jobs that attacked Flash from multiple angles, including its performance, impact on battery life, its faulty security record, its degree of openness as a technology, and even its core value to the web, given the large library of iOS apps and superior alternatives to delivering video and animations on the web that existed by then.

Lynch staunchly defended Flash, accusing Apple of promoting a philosophy "counter" to the web and one that would require developers to target multiple platforms, rather than writing to a common 'run anywhere' platform like Flash.

He touted the partnerships Adobe had lined up, stating at the time that "all the innovation coming from all those companies will dwarf what's coming from the one company that isn't participating."

Instead, Apple's iOS juggernaut did the dwarfing, obliterating the market for Flash so rapidly that even Adobe's close ally Google abandoned support for the middleware on Android just two years after promoting Flash Player as a major differentiating feature of its new devices.

Is Lynch a bozo for supporting Flash?



Apple's ability, less than three years later, to woo Lynch away from Adobe speaks volumes about the resiliency of both parties. It's not yet obvious what Lynch will be doing at Apple however. As columnist John Gruber recently tweeted to former Apple executive Jean-Louis Gass?e, "What?s your theory? I?m at a loss, honestly. Makes no sense to me."

Gruber has subsequently written a piece referring to Apple's new VP of Technology as "a Bozo, a Bad Hire," citing Lynch's comments in support of Flash while working for Adobe and tasked with marketing Flash.

However, Flash isn't the only project Lynch has worked on. He has roots in developing software titles for the Macintosh back to his college years, and his bio (still hosted by Adobe) cites early work in the mid 90s developing user interface elements at General Magic, a portable computing company Apple spun off in 1990 to focus its efforts on the Newton Message Pad.

Lynch also "designed the user interface and developed the first Macintosh release" of Frame's FrameMaker publication layout software (later acquired by Adobe) as well as Macromedia's Dreamweaver, one of the original graphical desktop web development tools (which was also acquired by Adobe). At Macromedia, Lynch served as "chief software architect and president of product development."

How Flash threatened, and indirectly helped save, Apple



Additionally, Lynch isn't the only Apple executive to have promoted Flash in a former life. Apple's current senior vice president of worldwide marketing Phil Schiller was formerly Macromedia's VP of Product Marketing, back when the company bought Flash from its original developer FutureWave in 1996.

The next year, Schiller left Macromedia to join Steve Jobs at Apple. But back at Macromedia, a series of products were vying for the company's attention, ranging from print tools that directly completed with Adobe, to a fledgling new video editor named KeyGrip developed by Adobe's former Premier creator Randy Ubillos, to new web-centric tools like Flash and Dreamweaver.

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Macromedia caught a big break when Microsoft agreed to distribute Flash with Internet Explorer 5. That gave Flash a rapidly installed base even as Microsoft worked diligently to thwart the progress of Sun's Java and Netscape's web browser as competing threats to Windows, and as Microsoft worked to derail Apple's QuickTime as the medium for distributing web videos.

Aided by Microsoft, Macromedia's Flash rapidly took over as the web's preferred method for distributing video, animations and interactivity. Because Flash was closed and proprietary to Macromedia, no open community could foster any real threat to Windows via web apps, at least not for nearly another decade.

The growing popularity of Flash led Macromedia to focus on web development tools, inducing it to nearly abandon KeyGrip. Apple, noting the importance of salvaging one of the last major products to be build around QuickTime, stepped in and acquired the project, eventually selling it under the name Final Cut Pro.

The success of Final Cut Pro in helping to sell PowerMacs to a new audience threw Apple an important lifeline. Additionally, in hiring Ubillos, Apple again became a significant software applications developer, churning out titles like iMovie and making new acquisitions that led to the development of Logic Pro, GarageBand and a series of other Pro Apps and iLife and iWork titles.

By 2005, Adobe decided to stop competing against Macromedia and instead simply acquired it, citing Flash as central to the $3.4 billion purchase. It's no surprise why Adobe began staunchly defending its key asset once Apple released its first iPhone two years later without Flash support, and as it subsequently watched iOS grow in stature at the expense of Flash among mobile devices.


Lynch after Flash at Adobe



As all prospects for Flash on mobile devices imploded last year, Lynch's role at Adobe focused on managing the company's Research and Experience Design teams, which have increasingly focused on HTML5 and using Adobe's Flash tools to generate code for native apps on various platforms, including Apple's iOS.

A report by Bloomberg says Lynch "led Adobe?s push to focus more on subscription-based services and wireless devices, introducing Creative Cloud software, which lets designers use mobile applications for creating printed pages and websites from an iPad or other tablets," noting that Adobe reported signing up more than 500,000 Creative Cloud subscribers.


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Included Creative Cloud software. | Source: Adobe


Apple is certainly interested in expanding its expertise in providing software services, particularly as it builds out data centers tasked with hosting iCloud, App Store and iTunes related services.

Lynch was also credited by Adobe as being "responsible for the company's ubiquitous Portable Document Format (PDF)" as well as managing the "alignment of Adobe's servers and tools with the company's technology platform." Additionally, it said he "oversees Adobe's developer relations program, including the integration of customers and partners in the development process through Adobe Labs and customer advisory councils."

Lots of potential jobs for Lynch at Apple



With the sidelining of Scott Forstall, the lead architect of iOS, Apple certainly has needs for experts in the areas of managing its technology platform and in developer relations. Apple also has a series of Pro Apps and other desktop and mobile software titles that appear starved for "software architects" and product development managers.


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Apple's new Leadership page. | Source: Apple


Apple's existing executive committee is also currently spread quite thin in a number of other respects, with Eddy Cue tasked with managing the entirely of Apple's online services ranging from iTunes to iCloud to App Stores; Craig Federighi tasked with managing both OS X and iOS; and Jon Ive now handling both the overall design of hardware and software.

Rather than assigning Lynch a specific role that takes over some portion now assigned to one of these executives, Apple has him reporting to Bob Mansfield, who currently leads the new "Technology" group Apple created last fall.

That new group combined the company's wireless teams and included its semiconductor efforts, which has been rapidly growing in stature as Apple has made a series of acquisitions over the last five years, from PA Semi to Intrinsity to AuthenTec and Anobit.

Apple may be interested in seeing where its actual needs are, having just rejiggered its executive team last fall. Over the last several years, the company has experienced some high profile executive churn, having hired IBM's Mark Papermaster to lead its iPod and iPhone division and Dixon's John Browett to run its retail operations.

Both hires turned out to be disastrous, largely due to their incompatibilities with Apple's culture. While Lynch already has a well documented, historical difference with Apple in regard to Flash, his history in developing Macintosh applications and working near Apple in the same Silicon Valley environment are likely to make him a better fit at Apple compared to the very different backgrounds of Papermaster and Browett.
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The whole question is silly. He will be working under Bob Mansfield and Bob Mansfield has already retired once and hen came back when his replacement wasn't the right guy. Whether it's a smart move or a dumb move, it seems pretty clear to me that this guy is Bob's new (possible) replacement or at least second in command.
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The whole question is silly. He will be working under Bob Mansfield and Bob Mansfield has already retired once and hen came back when his replacement wasn't the right guy. Whether it's a smart move or a dumb move, it seems pretty clear to me that this guy is Bob's new (possible) replacement or at least second in command.

Considering that he was aspiring to be CEO of Adobe, I highly doubt he took the position to remain 2nd in command.  I personally think he'll be Bob's new replacement.

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The implication is that Apple will put Flash in iOS. Doubt it.

My guess is that he'll do something like work on the internal systems like POS, online self service etc

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The implication is that Apple will put Flash in iOS. Doubt it.

 

I agree. I don't think we'll see anything resembling an implementation of flash for iOS. I thought of assigning it a hypothetical title, but it was too silly.

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absurd hire. His past experience in 90's is meaningless as it was an entirely different era. its his judgement in guiding Adobe down the wrong path this century is what matters. He wasn't simply marketing Flash (and his Marketing chops are horrific from the video Gruber linked to) , he was the CTO. His job was to give Adobe his best guidance about future technologies and he FAILED miserably.

I am seriously questioning Cook's ability to access talent. Jobs could look right thru a guy and sum them up in a second. Cook apparently believes the resume BS and unable to judge what is important
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I think DED raised an interesting point... Could it be that Cook, while being a great CEO, does not quite have a knack for recruitment and resource management? He has backed the disastrous Browett recruitment with a vengeance, the position is still vacant and temporarily filled by an accountant named Bean (1smoking.gif), we do not know yet, if Ives can really stand in for Forstall (who, IMHO, was right not to apologize for Maps, was Apple's best presenter after Jobs, and did a hell of a Job managing iOS) and gave more duties to Eddy Cue, who might be a great negotiator with media companies, but has failed to deliver any barely respectable online service so far, one that can just compete with start-ups... and they had to throw serious money (deservedly, no doubt, but still) at Bob Mansfield to even stay as there was obviously no suitable replacement.

 

Not worried about Apple's products or pipeline. But this HR story is far from convincing so far.

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Adobe is good at cranking out new versions, of existing products, with 'brutal efficiency'. Apple's recent software efforts have been lagging, in my opinion, so bringing in a guy with software experience makes some sense. Apple REALLY needs to get it's act together in Cloud services. This has never been one of the company's strengths dating all the way back to the AppleLink debacle. iCloud is really not much more than sync technology with very little application functionality. The future of software is the Cloud and having successfully helped Adobe transition many of it's applications to the Cloud I am sure Apple is looking for him to help them do the same. That's my take...
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Adobe is good at cranking out new versions, of existing products, with 'brutal efficiency'. Apple's recent software efforts have been lagging, in my opinion, so bringing in a guy with software experience makes some sense.

 

Um, if 'blackmailing people to update, just to get bug fixes for stuff that has been not working since the day it was released' is what you mean by 'brutal efficiency', then yes. There is nothing Apple can learn from Adobe, at least nothing that would make Apple better.

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Wow, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I've seen Lynch at AdobeMAX several times, and he's a very underwhelming speaker. I often walked away from his speeches scratching my head more than being enthused about Adobe's product announcements. His leadership of Adobe as CTO over the past several years has been questionable at best. Adobe's integration of the Macromedia product line has been a rudderless ship, with rumors of in-fighting (involving Lynch) rampant.

What on earth can Cook see in this guy? I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but c'mon, this is Apple. Apple doesn't hire B players.
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Considering that he was aspiring to be CEO of Adobe, I highly doubt he took the position to remain 2nd in command.  I personally think he'll be Bob's new replacement.

Can someone explain why this guy would be a good replacement for Mansfield?  Mansfield is a hardware guy.  What does this guy know about silicon, silicon, semiconductors, SOCs, wireless, etc.?

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Is Lynch a bozo for supporting Flash?


Apple's ability, less than three years later, to woo Lynch away from Adobe speaks volumes about the resiliency of both parties. It's not yet obvious what Lynch will be doing at Apple however. As columnist John Gruber recently tweeted to former Apple executive Jean-Louis Gass?e, "What?s your theory? I?m at a loss, honestly. Makes no sense to me."

Oh, for pete's sake.

 

Why on earth would anyone hire someone who's defended Flash? Why???

 

Answer: It's not a religion.

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Mmmm. Not sure.

Jobs said Flash was rubbish for the mobile world. This chap was tasked with fixing that. He failed so badly that Adobe was forced to pretty much abandon mobile Flash.

Well at least he doesn't have an MBA.
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I think DED raised an interesting point... Could it be that Cook, while being a great CEO, does not quite have a knack for recruitment and resource management? He has backed the disastrous Browett recruitment with a vengeance, the position is still vacant and temporarily filled by an accountant named Bean (1smoking.gif), we do not know yet, if Ives can really stand in for Forstall (who, IMHO, was right not to apologize for Maps, was Apple's best presenter after Jobs, and did a hell of a Job managing iOS) and gave more duties to Eddy Cue, who might be a great negotiator with media companies, but has failed to deliver any barely respectable online service so far, one that can just compete with start-ups... and they had to throw serious money (deservedly, no doubt, but still) at Bob Mansfield to even stay as there was obviously no suitable replacement.

 

Not worried about Apple's products or pipeline. But this HR story is far from convincing so far.

Craig Federighi took over iOS from Forstall, not Ive.  Cook decided to align human interface/software across the whole company under Ive.  Basically what Cook did was align things by function (design, hardware, software, services) instead of product lines.  Of course time will tell if he's right.  But considering Steve said Ive had more power at Apple than anyone else except himself I don't think giving him more responsibility was a bad thing.  In fact I think the only thing stopping him from being in control of all design before was Steve.  Steve had that role.  Lets not forget though that under Steve's watch we got the awful Corinthian stitched leather, the mess that is Game Center, etc.

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The whole question is silly. He will be working under Bob Mansfield and Bob Mansfield has already retired once and hen came back when his replacement wasn't the right guy. Whether it's a smart move or a dumb move, it seems pretty clear to me that this guy is Bob's new (possible) replacement or at least second in command.

 

That's the vaguest clear I've ever heard.

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Adobe has the worst UI's in the software industry. I hate them. This guy better not be another Browett.
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You can't knock Shiller for his Flash history, because back then (in the hands of Macromedia) Flash was revolutionary.

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I think DED raised an interesting point... Could it be that Cook, while being a great CEO, does not quite have a knack for recruitment and resource management? He has backed the disastrous Browett recruitment with a vengeance, the position is still vacant and temporarily filled by an accountant named Bean (1smoking.gif), we do not know yet, if Ives can really stand in for Forstall (who, IMHO, was right not to apologize for Maps, was Apple's best presenter after Jobs, and did a hell of a Job managing iOS) and gave more duties to Eddy Cue, who might be a great negotiator with media companies, but has failed to deliver any barely respectable online service so far, one that can just compete with start-ups... and they had to throw serious money (deservedly, no doubt, but still) at Bob Mansfield to even stay as there was obviously no suitable replacement.

 

Not worried about Apple's products or pipeline. But this HR story is far from convincing so far.

Dreyfus, I think you may be correct on all points in your post.

And damned you, for that.

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I scratch my head sometimes and wonder where iOS is going. It could be so much more. I usually upgrade to the latest iPhone every couple of years once my contract finnishes but I have very little inclination to do so at the moment.. Reason being iOS doesn't need it. My 4s more than powerful enough for iOS.
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Sounds like he has some insight into PDF and iOS needs a universal reader, a Preview of sorts, that can read just about any file format.

 

I was a bit nervous after Forestall left (or was kicked out). I'm not exactly inspired by who's coming in. I hope there's more to this guy than our initial gut check.....

 

Speaking of PDFs, PDFpen is on sale on the App store (for 48 hours).

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As a stock holder this is really the first thing Cook has done that makes me question how long I should keep my investment. This guy seems like an ass clown. The Maps apology was a mistake (they never should have. it certainly didn't have the intended effect of softening the media coverage did it?) But this guy brings nothing. His track record at adobe is proof of that. If he replaces Mansfield, Im selling.
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My guess would probably be redirect the iTools department ex: revive iWeb, iPhoto to be more like Adobe's Photoshop, Make an easier to use User Interface for Developers? Take over Bob Mansfield? I don't see him in that position!
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The best part about this is all the people wondering why he was hired. Then next year Apple will announce something and people will go "aaahhhh, so that's why he was hired."

 

I'm sure Apple has a good reason to hire him. Browett was an anomaly. If you're looking to hire software developers, LCD engineers, antenna designers or microprocessor specialists it's pretty straightforward to look at their résumé and skill sets to see if they're qualified. However, retail and marketing are different. You can't have them write a "test" to see if they know bough for the job. It's not an exact science. You can't take Browett not fitting in and assume that people hired for completely different positions are going to also be the wrong person for the job.

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As a stock holder this is really the first thing Cook has done that makes me question how long I should keep my investment. This guy seems like an ass clown. The Maps apology was a mistake (they never should have. it certainly didn't have the intended effect of softening the media coverage did it?) But this guy brings nothing. His track record at adobe is proof of that. If he replaces Mansfield, Im selling.

 

And you have proof this guy brings nothing? And you're going to sell shares based on your complete lack of knowledge of him and why he was hired?

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Young folks might not realize that many old folks have followed Apple from the very beginning.  The very start.

 

One thing almost all old Apple folks can agree on is that sometimes Apple simply goes Crazy Eddie.

 

If you don't know what Crazy Eddie is, google it.

 

I hope Apple just buys Adobe and takes all those graphic/media industry-standard pieces of software under their protective wing.  But you never know with Apple.  Every now and then, Apple simply goes Crazy Eddie.

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Then again it just occurred, Apples looking to start a new Streaming Service or online service. Basically every position in Apple is filled, so he will be running a new department, Music Streaming Service, perhaps an online service to compete against Ms Office? Will see :-)
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Whether people feel Tim is poor at hiring key positions, what is clear is he doesn't sit on a rotten apple very long. He tests them out and if they fail his test he sends them packing. NeXT.
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He won't be groomed for Bob's position. He'll be tasked with a new hardware product line. My guess is that he's there to take his experience and education to new products:

 

 

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Lynch studied interactive computer graphics at the University of Illinois, working with artists and engineers in the Electronic Visualization Laboratory. While he was in school, the first Macintosh was introduced, and Lynch began at his first startup as vice president of product development. He developed and shipped some of the first Macintosh applications, including a graphical adventure game in 1984, a 3D graphics package in 1985, and a desktop publishing application in 1987, which introduced user interface elements in common use today.

 

There is a whole lot of hardware and consumer end product experience in his background. He'll work with the Television and future collaboration projects that Apple has received patents on.

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The best part about this is all the people wondering why he was hired. Then next year Apple will announce something and people will go "aaahhhh, so that's why he was hired."

 

I'm sure Apple has a good reason to hire him. Browett was an anomaly. If you're looking to hire software developers, LCD engineers, antenna designers or microprocessor specialists it's pretty straightforward to look at their résumé and skill sets to see if they're qualified. However, retail and marketing are different. You can't have them write a "test" to see if they know bough for the job. It's not an exact science. You can't take Browett not fitting in and assume that people hired for completely different positions are going to also be the wrong person for the job.

 

An opinion from TechCrunch:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/19/departing-adobe-cto-and-cloud-guru-kevin-lynch-joining-apple-to-become-vp-of-technology/

 

Browett and Forstall demonstrated the same destructive trait: they were more concerned with collecting feathers for their caps than for the company as a whole. Nothing wrong with ambition, but in Forstall's case this led to Maps being not up to snuff when it was released. Browett was worse; he tried to make his name by turning the world's most profitable retail chain into a series of cut-price electricals outlets. 

 

WIll this chap do the same? Possibly, but he as already taken a demotion to work at Apple, so perhaps he's more focussed on the effecting technological change than from sitting in the CEO's chair. Time will tell, but if it is a mistake then at least we know that Cook doesn't have a problem with correcting it ... harshly if necessary.

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He won't be groomed for Bob's position. He'll be tasked with a new hardware product line. My guess is that he's there to take his experience and education to new products:

 

 

 

There is a whole lot of hardware and consumer end product experience in his background. He'll work with the Television and future collaboration projects that Apple has received patents on.

 

Right, cautiously optimistic, but keep your finger on that big red button on your armrest, Tim; the one labelled 'Shark Pool'.

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Not like we're ever going to find out, but I would like to know what the rest of the Executive Team at Apple thinks of this hire.... or if they were even given a heads-up beforehand.

I myself was pretty shocked at the news, for many of the reasons that Gruber wrote about, as well as some commentary expressed here by dreyfuss2 amoung others.

A couple of weeks ago I wrote a post here on AI breaking down the abilities of the current exec's in key leadership positions at Apple, and why I thought... and still think... that Tim Cook was/is still the only logical choice of CEO at Apple. HOWEVER... I think we're all witnessing fairly fast the limits of TC as CEO of the most innovative tech company on the planet. He is a process management/logistics/spreadsheet genius to be sure, but does he know tech? Does he know instinctively where Jony Ive's, Bob Mansfields, Eddy Cue's work is leading Apple? This is called "The Vision"... and as we all know, SJ had it in spades... as did even Bill Gates, even IF he couldn't execute it correctly.

What I'm curious about, is since TC doesn't have "The Vision"... is he trying to buy it with a hire like this, which on paper and in a pro/con spreadsheet... doesn't look half bad? Lynch does have Geek-Cred for sure, amoung other things looking like Bill Gates little brother. It also appears he likes to dabble in just about everything without focusing on getting it right (ADD?). Because yes, I point to not only Flash... but the terrible leadership that he displayed at Adobe over the last 5-7 years. Either he is a brainiac and was surrounded by incompetent engineers, or he is a squeaky power-hungry geek that likes the drama and pitting his engineers against each other.

Either way: is he a leader fit for Apple? My answer is no. I say this as a person that has made their 29+ year career using Apple's, Macromedia's and Adobe's products... each from day one.... or in the case of Photoshop, 6 month's before the official Day 1. All of the products under this guy's leadership have continuously failed, not only to innovate, but to keep pace with the hardware that they are placed upon and used. Let's not forget: Apple is a HARDWARE company... then a software and ecosystem company. I can't even imagine this guy sitting in the same room with Bob Mansfield, and even coming close to having a "colleague-to-colleague" discussion on the same level as BM. Quite obvious, because Lynch never understood the hardware problems that made Flash an absolute "no-go" on mobile devices.

But he was pretty good at "cheese-ball-bashing" ... nah... he was horrible at that too! 1oyvey.gif

Edit; changed 25+ to 29+... damn I'm getting OLD!!!!!!!!! 1hmm.gif
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post #32 of 198
Hate to say it, but this may be a case of "would this have happened if Jobs were still there".

If he's reporting to VP Tech, there's a product over the horizon that involves graphical functionality. iDesk?
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Hate to say it, but this may be a case of "would this have happened if Jobs were still there".

If he's reporting to VP Tech, there's a product over the horizon that involves graphical functionality. iDesk?

Please! Lynch is certainly not needed to integrate graphic functionality at Apple! Considering his "graphic functionality" and "user experience" roles at Adobe, and the very lack of consistency within Adobe's products... he would be the very LAST person I would even ask for an opinion on the subject. Well.. save for the folks up in Redmond.

And speaking of graphics... well you shouldn't get me started is a fair warning to ya. Because while Adobe is seen by the media and even the graphic design/printing industry as being the "industry leader", they (Adobe) have caused more real pain and suffering over the last 5-7 years than they have added to our professions. From their purchasing and killing off of software like Freehand, and then leaving users with upgrade products (CS6) that REMOVE the abilities to convert files (CS5 and 5.5 had this)... to their absolute lack of hardware understanding in ALL of their products causing untold grief, cost, and unnecessary downtime for incidentally, many an Apple design professional... well I'll close this run-on sentence with: "Thank You so much Kevin Lynch for your stellar leadership as former CTO at Adobe" /s

My only hope now is that Adobe finally finds someone capable of taking on "The Suits and Bean-Counters", and they finally fix the bugs, and integrate the Suite as it should be. Also, before Bob Mansfield gives up in frustration from dealing with this pip-squeak day-to-day and retires, he whispers in Tim Cook's ear on the way out the door, "Fire him. It was a mistake. Please let this sad trend of yours stop here!"... that is if it hasn't been done already.

I don't see anything that Kevin Lynch has touched over a long period of time, to be ANYTHING worthwhile to Apple. Yes...Period.

I still say the guy they should be courting every single day, is Paul Irish. Apart from really pushing the Webkit experience and programming, he also happens to be a huge Apple-fan using it exclusively for development. That's a heck of a lot better than hiring someone that took to hyperbole and blended, diced, fried, and steamrolled an iPhone... dontcha think?

PS. The following link (if anyone cares) takes you to Adobe's Illustrator Forum, where designers... many of them Mac users... are questioning why Illustrator not only doesn't work, but why no matter how much computer power, RAM, disk space you throw at it, it's slower to perform simple tasks that were split second responses over 15 YEARS AGO with discontinued software, as well as recent competitor software. Observation 169 + 170
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post #34 of 198
@ThePixelDoc and you others that are wringing your hands over this, including Gruber, may I remind you that you don't know anything, and may I also suggest that you sound like a gaggle of gibbering gossips? You don't know anything!

Tim Cook may be starting on a systematic campaign to subvert Apple's retrograde competitors by hiring rather than acquiring. How do you really kill Flash and all it stands for? Hire its last public advocate, put him to work on something useful.

For all we know, this could be the beginning of an anti-Android or anti-Chrome strategy, the best possible because it's so underhanded. The Khazar khans used to work this way, through strategic alliances, and they outfoxed the three other empires in their midst for hundreds of years.

The last thing I would do is assume that I know the Silicon Valley business and technology landscape better than Tim Cook. Here's your mantra: "I don't know anything."
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Adobe's Cloud is just a gimmicky name for pay-by-month software delivered via the Internet to your own computer. The apps do not reside in the cloud for use on any computer.
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@ThePixelDoc and you others that are wringing your hands over this, including Gruber, may I remind you that you don't know anything, and may I also suggest that you sound like a gaggle of gibbering gossips? You don't know anything!

It's perfectly valid to judge someone by the products that were produced under him in his previous role.

 

If Tim hired people by their products he wouldn't have hired Browett.

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Apple has lots of ground breaking products in the works, including non-hardware platform products.

 

Kevin Lynch lead research and product design at Adobe and Adobe puts out so very nice products.

 

...So Kevin looks like a good fit for Apple.  

He is a cup of Eddy Cue mixed with 1 cup of Craig Federighi and 1 cup of Jonathan Ive.

 

A perfect addition for Apple.

 

Time will tell.

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The whole question is silly. He will be working under Bob Mansfield and Bob Mansfield has already retired once and hen came back when his replacement wasn't the right guy. Whether it's a smart move or a dumb move, it seems pretty clear to me that this guy is Bob's new (possible) replacement or at least second in command.

A software guy cannot be a hardware guy's clear replacement.

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Can someone explain why this guy would be a good replacement for Mansfield?  Mansfield is a hardware guy.  What does this guy know about silicon, silicon, semiconductors, SOCs, wireless, etc.?

 

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A software guy cannot be a hardware guy's clear replacement.

 

I'm with these guys.

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He won't be groomed for Bob's position. He'll be tasked with a new hardware product line. My guess is that he's there to take his experience and education to new products:

 

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Lynch studied interactive computer graphics at the University of Illinois, working with artists and engineers in the Electronic Visualization Laboratory. While he was in school, the first Macintosh was introduced, and Lynch began at his first startup as vice president of product development. He developed and shipped some of the first Macintosh applications, including a graphical adventure game in 1984, a 3D graphics package in 1985, and a desktop publishing application in 1987, which introduced user interface elements in common use today.

 

There is a whole lot of hardware and consumer end product experience in his background. He'll work with the Television and future collaboration projects that Apple has received patents on.

 

I presume you're being sarcastic? Just where is the hardware experience in his background?

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