Originally Posted by ankleskater
This whole A player, B player, best people stuff is overblown. It is also irrelevant to discuss whether someone like Avie Tevanian or Mansfield or Ive is on Jobs' level of "the game". Jobs wasn't on the level of any of these guys in what they did and do. Similarly, they don't have his drive for and vision of integrated systems, and the knack to get his teams to work together, not to mention work like mad. Everyone played a role. But Jobs was not a level above. In fact, arguably, anyone of his senior managers could have done his job, albeit not as well. But he couldn't have done any one of their jobs. So the comparison is pointless.
There is a bit of that. But it doesn't matter. Jobs got his people to deliver topnotch hardware and two topnotch OSes. He could take credit for various ideas. But it is really his ideas that forged his legacy. Many folks had equally compelling visions. What made him stand apart was he pulled his team together to deliver, and to do what he couldn't do himself.
That is true (that he could not do others jobs as much as they could not do his).
He did have brilliant talent to recognize value of them all, not as individuals but as pieces of Apple's big puzzle, which is only one of the things that made him great leader. Look at Ive, for example. Would he have same opportunity has he started working in company with even more money and resources than Apple had, back in the days he joined in? Say Dell or HP? I sincerely think not. Would we even know of Phil Schiller has he ended in, say, Motorola?
No, I really think you can find another designer who would perform as well - hell maybe even better - in Ive's chair, given same circumstances Ive was facing. And I think Jobs would find that other designer, or 10 of them. And I also think that same Ive would be, what, just one of the guys behind CAD workstation in most if not all other work environments. It is not Ive that made Jobs great CEO, it is Jobs that made Ive successful and recognised he is today.
Just my humble opinion.