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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
Outside of the USA, folks don't do that

 

That's good to know. So when I'm down in Europe running around smashing personal property, stealing things, and generally doing illegal actions, if I get picked up by the police I'll be sure to tell them that I'm immune from any lawsuits brought against me by the people I've hurt.

 

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post #42 of 61
Nokia is going to become increasingly dangerous to the other mobile techs. Money is getting tighter and they're turning to their IP, some of it pretty old, to piggyback on other players success.

One tactic is placing patents, even standard-essential ones, with outside NPE's for enforcement. That means even those Nokia-licensed companies like Apple will be seeing more IP-infringement suits based on Nokia patents, while Nokia is isolated from counter-claims. The less-successful their Microsoft partnership is the more we can expect Nokia to lean on IP for income from those with a positive cash-flow.

They're also becoming much more aggressive in filing their own infringement lawsuits. Seems nearly every day recently there's been another giddy FOSSpatents article on a Nokia suit and how strong their portfolio is. Worse is they have no qualms about demanding injunctions for SEP's. The FCC settlement with Google concerning injunctions doesn't apply to Nokia.
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post #43 of 61
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That's good to know. So when I'm down in Europe running around smashing personal property, stealing things, and generally doing illegal actions, if I get picked up by the police I'll be sure to tell them that I'm immune from any lawsuits brought against me by the people I've hurt.

 

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Don't, not can't.  Do you really think a bruised iPhone (confirmed: no damage) is worth the trouble of a lawsuit?  Or is it the bruised ego that matters more?

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post #44 of 61
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Big difference is that it's a parody, not made by Apple and at no point does it say that Apple products are better.

Jobs would quite often start a keynote with a parody video. I wish they'd do it again.

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It looked staged to me. The interviewer sounds like he was paid, for what was overall a product plug rather than a real interview.

 

Almost certainly. They would have established beforehand what he would and would not answer and either they set this whole thing up or at least that bit of 'schtick'. Although it was super awkward so I'm guessing it wasn't supposed to play like that. It's possible, for example, that the CEO was just told he'd be asked about Nokia in general and not that specific phone and he got frazzled by it and didn't just calmly say something like. 'In the interests of protecting our trade secrets I can't talk about THAT model but you will love it. It's very much a part of the Nokia family (talk about the products in general)" and then the schtick might have been intended as more like the interviewer would pull out his iPhone and together they would toss it as a big happy moment. But when the interviewer pulled it out it just went awkward

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post #46 of 61
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

 

 

Apple's cheap tricks were so much better. Although that really should have been live. 

 

Like the whole ad campaign, that video wasn't saying anything that the press wasn't saying. They were panning Vista and pointing out the hundreds, especially businesses, that stayed on XP. The press were panning the Zune. And so on

 

Even the shutting down comment wasn't original. It was likely a dig at the Michael Dell statement. 

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post #47 of 61
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Big difference is that it's a parody, not made by Apple and at no point does it say that Apple products are better.

Jobs would quite often start a keynote with a parody video. I wish they'd do it again.

 

It may not have been shot and edited by Apple but it was made with their good graces. Steve would never have shown it at WWDC without script approval and final edit. Too many reporters to diss over it at an event like WWDC

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post #48 of 61
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Originally Posted by grblade View Post

Staged. No one who has an iPhone wants a Nokia. I left Nokia for iPhone and I'm not looking back.

And you know that because, what, you spilled some beans and they turned out in that particular way?

I for one have 3Gs and am looking at WP8 phone, likely Nokia. My boss has 4s and is looking to move whole company to WP8 devices as soon as issues with SonicWALL are sorted. And yes, I do know other iPhone users who have became a bit bored with iOS slow evolution and are looking at both Android and WP8 options.

Generalizations only make you sound dumb, which I'm sure you are not. Don't let your bias influence your judgement. There is no "no one..." scenario, at least not in consumer spheres. Someone always will. Because there is that thing called free will. Humans are not bacteria. They don't behave exactly the same.
post #49 of 61
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That's good to know. So when I'm down in Europe running around smashing personal property, stealing things, and generally doing illegal actions, if I get picked up by the police I'll be sure to tell them that I'm immune from any lawsuits brought against me by the people I've hurt.

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I didn't say that, you will be arrested, you will be charged, and you will most likely be found guilty (assuming the existance of said evidence), and you will most likely be made to pay reparation for act. But there is a very slim chance that an individual will try and sue you over it, now their insurance company, that is a different matter.
post #50 of 61
Originally Posted by igriv View Post
If you troubled to actually read the article, you would see that the iPhone was not damaged.

 

So I can drive your car off escarpments as long as it "isn't damaged"?

 

So theft is okay as long as "nothing happened to it"?

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So I can drive your car off escarpments as long as it "isn't damaged"?

So theft is okay as long as "nothing happened to it"?

When has anyone said it was? We would just like to remind you that the vast majority of the worlds population wouldn't sue someone for damaging something, or stealing something, society already has measures in place for that.
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I have an iPhone and a Lumia 920. Both are very nice.

iP5 is beautiful phone, and I personally think it is sized right for a phone. I'm not looking at other phones because I dislike iPhone.

However, iOS. While some people - majority, maybe? - actually like to replace device and keep using it exactly as they did previous one, without any learning curve involved, there are people - me included - who like to try something new every now and then. Mankind is not a Borg collective - human mind is so diverse there is no "everyone..." scenario outside of some existential basics. Everyone need air. But not same gadget and same features, whatever they are.
post #53 of 61
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That's good to know. So when I'm down in Europe running around smashing personal property, stealing things, and generally doing illegal actions, if I get picked up by the police I'll be sure to tell them that I'm immune from any lawsuits brought against me by the people I've hurt.

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Only if you smash property folks are not happy with.

But seriously. This is Finland TV, right? Finns are very strong supporters of Nokia. iPhone is one of the strongest, if not the strongest competitor Nokia has. Elopp is outsourced exec trying to get some local "likes" on his FB page, sort of. He did something decent part of Finn audience might find at least mildly amusing. It is marketing. Very basic one, but still marking.

I personally think it is immature and silly, but hey. What do I know. I feel the same about good part of marketing efforts in general, anyway.
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So theft is okay as long as "nothing happened to it"?
Theft is defined as taking without permission with the intent to deprive the rightful owner. There was no such intent, it was a crappy, thoughtless joke. Stop being so touchy.

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
Theft is defined as taking without permission with the intent to deprive the rightful owner.


Seems like there's a fine line between what you're trying to call theft and "taking the phone away from the person and dropping it with intent to destroy".

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Intent to destroy? Give up man. It was a joke.

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post #57 of 61
Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
Intent to destroy? Give up man. It was a joke.

 

Come off it. This is absolutely pathetic.

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Trying to dress silly CEO tomfoolery as malicious and criminal is pretty pathetic, yes.

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
Trying to dress silly CEO tomfoolery as malicious and criminal is pretty pathetic, yes.


It's quite sad that taking someone's possessions and dropping them on the floor is a "joke" to you.

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Never said it was a good joke.  Quite the opposite in fact.  But a bad joke with no discernable damages is not an arrestable offence in any civilised country, even if a fanboy did get all sweaty about an iPhone in peril.

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post #61 of 61
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It's quite sad that taking someone's possessions and dropping them on the floor is a "joke" to you.

It is quite sad that you would consider sueing someone over such an action.
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