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post #121 of 298

**** the haters. Articles like this is why I visit this site. Rumor/Analyst/News bullshit can be found anywhere else. This is the real golden stuff, regardless of whether you agree with it.

 

Personally, I found it absolutely brilliant. Pointedly opinionated, but based on nothing but absolute facts. There's no question Google/Android get a free pass on pretty much everything, even though their strategy is riddled with holes as are the metrics of their success. 


Edited by Slurpy - 3/23/13 at 11:17am
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I agree with every point of this article, Im just surprised that someone finally had the balls to put it in black and white and publish it. Kudos to Daniel for having the guts to say it the way it really is.
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Never made it past the second paragraph.
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The problem with publishing ridiculous articles like this is that it stops people taking you seriously. You come over as some kind of brainless fan boy rather than a serious journalist.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  I found it a breath of fresh air.  Most of what was said in my experience is completely true.

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Never made it past the second paragraph.

Pretty much because you disagree with what was being said.

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**** the haters. Articles like this is why I visit this site. Rumor/Analyst/News bullshit can be found anywhere else. This is the real golden stuff, regardless of whether you agree with it.

 

Personally, I found it absolutely brilliant. 

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post #127 of 298
Bugger... seeing this kind of piece on AI is disappointing. This isn't an editorial, this is a farce.
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Ok, here's a set of snippets from just your first post:
The problem with publishing ridiculous articles like this .... some kind of brainless fan boy ....I have had Apple computers since ..... ... just replaced my iPhone5 with a Samsung Galaxy Note 2. It is a far better phone ....IOS and the iPhone have not really had any massive jumps ......Siri is rubbish ..... LTE is useless.......the wallet thing is useless for me; iCloud removed some of the things I really liked about MobileMe; a new connector, so what it just makes things less compatible!; no ability to add a memory card, ......maps that wasn't right .... FAR more apps, but so what, this is like the Windows/MacOS thing ..... but unless Apple come up with something new for the iPhone6/7/8 I'll not be going back there.
Hmmm. It's a wonder that you only got the polite diss that you did.

So how is that having a go at Apple....

 

The problem with publishing ridiculous articles like this .... is talking about the article not Apple.

 

some kind of brainless fan boy. (taken out of context) -  I said that it makes him sound like that. He has been referred to as a fan boy by Alfiejr not more than a few posts ago.  

 

I have had Apple computers since ..... Not sure how "I have had Apple computers since" is having a go at Apple!  I still have them and there is absolutely no way I'm changing that.

 

just replaced my iPhone5 with a Samsung Galaxy Note 2. It is a far better phone (taken out of context) - I clearly say "in my opinion" afterwards. That is not slagging Apple themselves off it is saying that I've replaced my phone with another one and I think that it is a far better phone.  This is not slagging Apple off is it?  It is saying that they are slipping and that their latest phones are not the game changer that their previous ones were in my opinion.

 

IOS and the iPhone have not really had any massive jumps ... - Again I'm not slagging Apple of but I AM criticising them for a lack of new features that I want.

 

Siri is rubbish .... - It is

 

LTE is useless (taken out of context) - I say that LTE is as the coverage is very poor and my provider isn't able to offer it anyway.....  Apple doesn't support the frequency that my provider could use and LTE isn't supported anywhere near me.

 

the wallet thing is useless for me - It has no use FOR ME.  Again I'm not slagging Apple off but this feature is of no use to me.

 

 iCloud removed some of the things I really liked about MobileMe; - HOW ON EARTH IS THIS SLAGGING THEM OFF!!  I am criticising their removal of features that I liked within MobileMe that were not replaced in iCloud.

 

a new connector, so what it just makes things less compatible!; - Again another "feature" that really isn't one at all.  What benefit is there to me of a new connector?  It makes the iPhone5 incompatible with my car and all the leads I have lying around at work, home, in the workshop etc etc

 

no ability to add a memory card, - It doesn't

 

maps that wasn't right . - Apple have apologised for this themselves....  Does that make Apple trolls ???

 

FAR more apps, but so what, this is like the Windows/MacOS thing - We can't really have this as a massive bonus without giving in to the Windows mob who always quoted it to us!  Yes they had dozens of spreadsheets or word processors but you only need one decent one!  It's similar with the App Store.  There are so many apps doing the same thing....  I was looking for a violin tuner and there were more than a dozen!

 

but unless Apple come up with something new for the iPhone6/7/8 I'll not be going back there. - Again I'm not slagging them off what I am saying there can be read both ways....  If they DO add things that I want I will go back, if they don't I will not.

 

 

 

So what you are all saying is that you can only post in here if you are in complete agreement that everything Apple does is perfect and nothing could possibly be improved until Apple improve it then the new version is perfect till the next one comes out.

 

 

I have not just joined to slag Apple off.  I've been a member on here about 5 years!  I like almost everything they do but do I have to like everything??

 

Do you all like everything?

 

I'm not calling them names and I'm not saying the iPhone is rubbish.  It has it's faults but it is still a good phone.  Yes I prefer my new one but I haven't said that the new one is perfect either.  I've listed a number of things I don't like about that phone too.


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There are quite a number of long term members on here who are saying that this article has issues, it is not just me.

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Never made it past the second paragraph.

you did.  You made it all the way to the comments

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So Apple pushes the envelope yet again by making it much thinner and lighter than before — note that you oddly never mentioned weight — and even comes out with an LTE chip that is worlds better than all its competitors despite already leading in their class so that 3G and 4G times are have the same duration and yet you still want to call this rot. I am certain, within your sentence after sentence of how Apple ha failed you as a customer you would have mentioned it was too thick an too heavy as proof that they aren't progressing their designs had they not changed them. That's what a concern troll does. No matter how much change there is it's never enough or the right kind of change.

Even now you're saying that 8 hours of LTE use isn't enough to last you the day despite it being 25% more than the iPhone 4S gets on 3G. You also appear to be implying that it's 8 hours from the time you turn it on to the time the battery goes dead with your dubious claims of not lasting all day. Now, your may truly be that oblivious to how the device is rated but to me it sounds like typical concern troll antics.

 

I've already said that I can't use LTE anyway!  I never mentioned weight because it wasn't too heavy before.  

 

So what you are saying is that I am a "concern troll" because I don't agree with everything that everyone else does.

 

If the changes don't benefit ME then they are no use to ME.  The engineering is all very interesting and clever but unless it actually helps me there's no point in it for me!

 

 

 

So if they added 5G right now even though it isn't in place you would like that as a feature??

 

 

Apple, Samsung, HTC, Sony etc are just electronics companies making products to sell in order to make a profit.  It isn't a religion!!!  I am allowed to think that 90% of their products are excellent and 10% could be better - it doesn't make me a bad person, troll, concern troll or anything else.  

 

 

If anybody has a problem with that then fine, it's your problem not mine....  I will still follow what they are doing and hopefully their next product will do what I want and I will switch back.  Simple as that.

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Who designed the first laptop??  All laptops have a similar layout so has everyone copied them?  I'm sure it wasn't Apple so has Apple copied that company? - NO it's just logical.

 

 

Who first put the keyboard of laptops near the the screen leaving room to rest your hands for typing?

Before Apple release their Powerbooks  every lap, and there where many companies selling laptops, had them at the very front.

Another case of Apple innovation - the rest copy.  Some copy well, some copy cheaply.

Oh yes, what cursor control was before?  Trackballs - the best was Apple's but then came trackpads.

 

Your argument that functionality determines only one solution is false - unless of course you slavishly copy.

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you all know, this thread is really a classic example of what's so often wrong with comment sections. most comments either (1) non-specifically praise or trash the author or the piece, or (2) criticize others' comments. nit-picking is the common approach. and as usual one commenter is going to rebut every remark about him/her, even if that takes dozens of posts.

 

can't we just discuss - beyond nit-picking - the ACTUAL ISSUES THE ARTICLE RAISES? there are a lot of worthy topics there. wouldn't that be a lot more interesting than what we think of the author or other commenters? (i tried up above ... maybe i should change my user name to Voice In The Wilderness.)

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LOL

 

There goes any chance of you getting taken seriously ever again...

 

Was anyone really taking him seriously?  For all his criticisms of the article, his logic was pretty much all over the board, and his "complaint" about copying never elucidated, let alone successfully argued.  

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“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”

 

Yeah, if I had any complaint about this article it would be that it's far too long-winded.  A good editor would have cut it in half and it would lose none of the content, be much more focussed, and thus have a bigger impact.  

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edit: Bah, over it. Time for Spring Breakers.

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It's kind of hard to objectively evaluate an article written by DED when he has clearly over the years established himself as having a very strong Apple bias. His articles usually have some really good info to consider, but you have to read it with a healthy bit of skepticism considering his very non-objective view of all things Apple. ...

 

I disagree.  It depends on your definition of "bias" perhaps.  

 

I know bias is basically just "prejudice" technically, but I was always taught that it also means that the person with said bias is going to be a liar or an unreliable source of information.  That they are going to be "spreading lies," telling things that aren't true etc.  I don't see that there has ever been any substantial indications that DED actually lies or dissembles.  In fact the worst I've ever seen (and I've read most of his stuff) is that sometimes he strongly *implies* something that may not be *exactly* true in every way, and that sometimes he might leave some fact out that would argue against his opinion, but these are really rare occurrences.  Most of the time he is as fair and (more importantly) as factual as any other writer IMO.  

 

Overall, underneath the rhetoric, I find DED's "facts" to be more accurate than the average News announcer, tech writer or "analyst" for sure.  He does a lot of deep research for most articles and he tends to write more than those one paragraph "comments passing as articles" that the other sites get away with.  

 

If you can't find instances of him actually lying, then the constant crying about his "bias" from all quarters is really suspect in my view.  I see it more as the result of a group of folks that don't agree with his opinions, and thus having biases of their own that they aren't owning up to, attacking him for "bias" when said bias is really mostly irrelevant to the argument or the article.  

 

In the final analysis, everyone, absolutely everyone, has a bias.  So to write articles that acknowledge your own bias, and put it right up front are in some ways more "honest" than to write some shit that passes for objectivity but is just as biased in the end as anything else.  You only have to look at the writings of guys like Seth Weintraub on 9to5 mac, almost any writer on Engadget, to see that they also have some pretty extreme biases themselves and yet they write as if their opinion is direct from the Gods or whatever and hide behind the cloak of "objectivity."  

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By tying Google Glass under poor overall value, you're entire article became worthless. ...

 

Google Glass is DOA for use by the general public. No one but a hard-core nerd-geek will be a) caught dead wearing those things, or b) want to wear them. And most of them won't even want to.

post #139 of 298
I wonder what the numbers would be like if Samsung reported sold VS. shipped. I think that Android would not have quite the market share. Just saying.
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It's kind of hard to objectively evaluate an article written by DED when he has clearly over the years established himself as having a very strong Apple bias. His articles usually have some really good info to consider, but you have to read it with a healthy bit of skepticism considering his very non-objective view of all things Apple. ...

 

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I disagree.  It depends on your definition of "bias" perhaps.  

 

I know bias is basically just "prejudice" technically, but I was always taught that it also means that the person with said bias is going to be a liar or an unreliable source of information.  That they are going to be "spreading lies," telling things that aren't true etc.  I don't see that there has ever been any substantial indications that DED actually lies or dissembles.  In fact the worst I've ever seen (and I've read most of his stuff) is that sometimes he strongly *implies* something that may not be *exactly* true in every way, and that sometimes he might leave some fact out that would argue against his opinion, but these are really rare occurrences.  Most of the time he is as fair and (more importantly) as factual as any other writer IMO.

 

"Bias" doesn't say anything about the truth value of the statements made. After all, the truth is biased: it's not "fair and balanced", it's biased toward the facts. All "bias" means is that one's viewpoint is skewed in one direction or the other. If it's skewed, biased, toward the truth, toward facts, then one is correct. If it's skewed the other direction, then not. Any opinion that isn't "biased" isn't likely to be worth much.

post #141 of 298
I read AI everyday and enjoy it. While it is not over the top fanboy/pushing sales of sponsors like Cult of Mac, I am aware it is pro- Apple by design.
However, this kind of article does not belong here- it is not objective and seriously calls into question the worth of AI as a source of unbiased information about apple products.
Bad decision by the editorial board, if there is one.
Misguided.
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Who first put the keyboard of laptops near the the screen leaving room to rest your hands for typing?

Before Apple release their Powerbooks  every lap, and there where many companies selling laptops, had them at the very front.

Another case of Apple innovation - the rest copy.  Some copy well, some copy cheaply.

Oh yes, what cursor control was before?  Trackballs - the best was Apple's but then came trackpads.

 

Your argument that functionality determines only one solution is false - unless of course you slavishly copy.

 

To be honest I've never even thought about that....

 

I've been repairing laptops for over 15 years, although FAR more in the last 5 years than earlier as they are much more popular now.   Let me think about it.........

 

I've just looked up the Powerbook, I can't even think back to the Windows laptops of that vintage........

 

So, the Powerbook 100 series, it certainly looks like a modern laptop.  I've looked at the equivalent vintage Toshiba laptops and yes their keyboards start at the front of the machine.

 

I was NEVER a fan of rollerballs or those silly little joysticks so only really had my own laptop from the era of the touchpad.........

 

The oldest laptop I can specifically remember owning was the Compaq M300 but I did have them before that..... Clearly not very memorable ones.  Laptops were always FAR more expensive than the equivalent desktop so I preferred to spend money on desktops.  I hadn't discovered Apple computers back then so was still using Windows for everything.

 

 

To be fair, you are putting words in my mouth in relation to your last sentence that functionality determines only one solution.  I didn't actually say that in so many words.

 

In certain circumstances function does dictate form and that is true.  If I say to you design me a container for a football that is easy to make out of wood then the most likely shape would be a cube (or a rectangular box if it's rugby/am football etc) and cutting wood into anything more complicated would be difficult.  If I said design me a chair then we could still be looking at new designs in six months time. If however I said here is a touch screen, thats what we want to use now as a display and input device for our new product which has to be as small, light and thin enough to put in a pocket and carry round plus still having room for the battery and electronics then you do have more options but realistically the touch screen is going to take up most of the front of the device which is going to be sort of rectangular with speaker near the top and mic at the bottom.......  

 

This is where the design can take alternative routes with rounded corners, nearly square corners etc metal trim etc....

 

Looking at the designs of Samsung phones from the full touch screen era onwards they do start off looking like the 3G etc so there is probably some/a lot of truth in the copying thing.  I will leave that up to the legal profession to argue over but looking at all the full touch screen devices the basic layout is pretty much the same across the board.  Part of the argument is that there isn't much scope to do something dramatically different, that is until someone like Sir Ives comes up with something that nobody has thought about before!

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The problem with publishing ridiculous articles like this..
/snip
 
...blah blah blah

 

Hahahaha, well done on joining the spirit of this article with an obviously satirical joke post containing all the elements espoused by the typical Google Goggle blinded acolyte.

 

You crack me up so much I'm selling my Mac Plus and buying a 286 lol.giflol.giflol.gif

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Have you got an iPhone5?

 

It's a rubbish size/shape for one handed use, I preferred the iPhone3G

 

Why, yes, yes I do and it's a major improvement over my iPhone 3G, my Galaxy Nexus and it gives my Nexus 4 a good run for the money.

 

I liked the seamless way I could install the Apps I've been collecting since 2008, just by syncing them like I did with my iPhone 4.

 

So how's the Java program collection on your Galaxy Note, you know you can enable different sources ("free" pirated stuff) in the settings but watch out you open yourself up to trojans.

 

Which Antivirus would you recommend?

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However, this kind of article does not belong here- it is not objective and .....

What part of a clearly-labeled "O-P-I-N-I-O-N" do you guys not understand!?

 

(Just thought I'd make it stand out so you noticed it this time).

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I still think that the iPhone5 is better built, has a better camera, better flash, much better speaker and I could sync Numbers spreadsheets which I can't do with the Note2.

 

Why not?

 

Samsung has supplied Polaris Office with their Android handsets for quite some time, cutting off developers from being required to provide a solution.

 

Regarding your Numbers spreadsheets "You're saving them wrong". 1wink.gif

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Clearly DED best article.

 

It stretches and bends the truth like Stretch Armstrong, but on the whole rings true. I think he definitely dropped the ball when he gets all defensive about Kool Aid. Nobody ever suggested Steve or Apple were mass murderers. But Steve was a charismatic leader who ran a company with a cult-like following. That's undeniable. Everyone knows this. It's not a cult in the strictest sense, but Apple does have a cult-like mentality. Most great companies do. 

 

So where did the "Koolaid" references which have been bandied about about Apple fans for the last couple of decades come from?

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I didn't "buy into the hype" with regards to Apple Maps faults.  It is a very good package but it WASN'T RIGHT when it was launched and Apple themselves have openly said this. The ENTIRE town where my wife was born was completely missing from maps!!  I didn't even say that the Android alternative was better, I haven't even used the android alternative I simply stated it wasn't right, we come to expect Apple kit to be right from the start.

 

So tell us why Apple maps was such a disappointment with finding your wife's birthplace, yet you state that you don't need GPS to find it at all so didn't even bother looking with your Android device?

 

Thank you for demonstrating yet another point of DED's opinion piece.

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...remember that all I am stating here is MY OPINION, MY CHOICE, MY PREFERENCE

 

And you're getting feedback on exactly how much these matter to others.

 

I found a place where you can put all three of them...

 

 

 

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No, I thought it was garbage and I chose not to waste my time reading the rest.

 

 

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Never made it past the second paragraph.

Pretty much because you disagree with what was being said.

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Predicated as it is on an argument of patent violation while relying on the Oracle v Google suit (in which Google prevailed rather unambiguously),..

 

 

Not yet, they haven't.

 

This case is still under appeal.

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I always thought that Android was powered by pure BS, but Flawgic sounds good too!

 

Anybody who is butthurt over this article is not a fan of free speech, as the article clearly states that it's an editorial. I do realize that the quality of education in this country is on the decline, but editorial means that it is an opinion piece.

 

Though Android claims to be open, Android users are about as open as a North Korean work camp.

 

If you don't like the article, then go and take your 9 Macs and 7 iOS devices that you claim to own, and go sign up for Androidinsider, you won't be missed by me. Isn't it funny how many of the Android lovers and anti-Apple trolls all claim to own a bunch of Mac hardware, you'd almost think that they were standing there in Steve Job's garage back in 1977.

 

Android is garbage and has been since day one, get used to it.

 

I also just noticed that one of the most annoying Apple haters on this site is now banned. I think that they went by the name of DaSofter or something like that. lol.gif

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And you're getting feedback on exactly how much these matter to others.

I found a place where you can put all three of them...





Leave it to an Android fan to see make something that requires firm stomping on the crotch area in some depraved masochist fetish to be functional. I wonder if they wear stilettos when they use it. Is that in Eric Schmidt's house (or should I say Erica)? 1tongue.gif



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Good article. I wish it could be more humorous.
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So tell us why Apple maps was such a disappointment with finding your wife's birthplace, yet you state that you don't need GPS to find it at all so didn't even bother looking with your Android device?

 

Thank you for demonstrating yet another point of DED's opinion piece.

I am not going to go through all of your posts as you clearly haven't read mine properly, just read it again and read your post.. I never said it was a disappointment, I said it was a very good package !!  AND I didn't say that I don't need GPS to find it at all so didn't even bother looking with my android device.  I have only had the note2 for a week and in that week I have not needed to use sat nav to go anywhere so have not used the maps equivalent other than a quick look at it as I went to work on one occasion.....  It wasn't completely right was it?  Apple wouldn't have apologised if it was a faultless piece of programming....  My wife's town of birth missing, that isn't actually an issue to me as I know where it is it is just an example of the issues.... Personally it didn't cause me any serious problems.

 

I have been using IOS on an iPhone since the week they came out in the UK till a week ago and never bothered to even look at what android was doing.  My only experience of android in all that time was my son getting a galaxy 1 or 2 (I can't even remember) and complaining about it constantly, then it breaking and he now has an iPhone 4G.  So I'm hardly just following the android line as I don't even know what the android line is.  I have gone from using an iPhone to picking an alternative and using that on trial with the option of returning it.  If I hadn't liked it it would have gone back.

 

As for the spreadsheet issue it is not a case of saving it differently.  It is spread over 40 pages with 3 tables per page and uses some complicated addressing based on lookups across multiple tables.  The spreadsheet was translated over the space of a week or two from Excel and I've tried moving it but it isn't having any of it as most of the addressing breaks down.  It is most important that it works on the laptop and desktop so I'll just loose the functionality of it for now..... Hopefully there will be a larger format iPhone6/7 that I can switch back to later :D

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OMG! This has to be the funniest, most informative "editorial" I have I ever read. I'm sure the apple-haters will have a field day pointing out everything they disagree with, but this is just a terrific piece of writing and analysis as far as I'm concerned.
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Don't worry about it.  Once the locals decide how you are to be treated by the other regulars, there is nothing you can do to change it.  You will simply be a punching bag for the daily hate-fest that defines this forum, with posts attacking forum members occupying many of the spaces between posts expressing even a literal hatred of almost all companies that aren't Apple.

 

It's just what they do here.  It's a culture created by years of concerted effort on the part of the editorial staff and forum moderators, making it a very narrow but well-defined demographic that's unusually easy to sell to certain advertisers.

 

Don't take any of it personally.  Whether the phrase they use is "concern troll" or something else, the definition is always the same:  "Anyone who says that disagrees with the uncommonly narrow views of the local insular subculture".

 

If you want real discussion where the normal range of human interests and preferences is allowed and sometimes even encouraged, try 9to5, CultOfMac, The Verge, MacRumors, or pretty much any other place in the world outside of North Korea.

 

:D

 

I don't actually think that most people have actually bothered to read my posts properly!  I am NOT having a go at Apple at all I really like 90% of their kit but it's NOT perfect and I was simply expressing my opinion which lots of people didn't like.  The last chap was slagging me off in a post where I was basically saying I liked the new maps app but it had issues (which Apple had agreed to!)

 

Oh well :)  I've been a member on here for twice as long as some of the moderation staff but I don't post very often.

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