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Apple is also bringing out an update to have the iPhone 5 support HSDPA on AWS. That means that the iPhone 5 will work on the current 4G network as well

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Please provide a link to backup your claim.  

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Link??  We don't need no stinkin' link to backup claims !!!!  /s

This was clearly reported during the announcement by CNet.
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Solip, they said they're are only claiming LTE coverage in a city if the WHOLE city is covered so there isn't any false advertisement unlike other carriers. So when they say it, they mean it. And as TBell has pointed out, the HSPA+ is all over the place with pretty stink'n fast speed.

T-Mobile claimed that they would have 100 million customers covered with LTE by the end of 2013.
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$55 a month gets you unlimited everything with Virgin Mobile. They're carrying the 4 and 4S, and you have to pay full price for the phone up front - $349 and $449, respectively. Still, you save money over two years with that $55 a month.

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$55 a month gets you unlimited everything with Virgin Mobile. They're carrying the 4 and 4S, and you have to pay full price for the phone up front - $349 and $449, respectively. Still, you save money over two years with that $55 a month.

LTE?
Visual Voicemail?
VoLTE?
HSPA+ (41 Mbps) failback?
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Well, it depends upon what the taxes and fees are.    My AT&T plan, grandfathered unlimited, including taxes and fees costs about $81 per month + $200 for the 16GB phone (I actually paid $300 for the 32GB phone).   So over 20 months that's $1820.      The T-Mobile plan is $50 for 500MB, which could come to $60 with taxes and fees.   With the phone that's $1699, only a $121 difference over the life of the plan.    The unlimited plan is $70 a month, let's say $80 with taxes and fees.   That's $2099 over 20 months including the phone.    That's $279 above what I'm currently paying.

 

So I don't see any great bargain here.  If I want to limit my service, I can pay less with AT&T as well.     But for people who don't want to front $200 for the phone, being able to front only $99 might seem like a good deal.

 

(Man,  I never thought I'd be defending AT&T).

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Well, it depends upon what the taxes and fees are.    My AT&T plan, grandfathered unlimited, including taxes and fees costs about $81 per month + $200 for the 16GB phone (I actually paid $300 for the 32GB phone).   So over 20 months that's $1820.      The T-Mobile plan is $50 for 500MB, which could come to $60 with taxes and fees.   With the phone that's $1699, only a $121 difference over the life of the plan.    The unlimited plan is $70 a month, let's say $80 with taxes and fees.   That's $2099 over 20 months including the phone.    That's $279 above what I'm currently paying.

 

So I don't see any great bargain here.  If I want to limit my service, I can pay less with AT&T as well.     But for people who don't want to front $200 for the phone, being able to front only $99 might seem like a good deal.

 

(Man,  I never thought I'd be defending AT&T).

 

I only read up to "grandfathered unlimited" and stopped because that's not what anybody is talking. Try going out and getting a new plan from ATT and see how much more it costs that T-Mobile and ATT doesn't even have unlimited data. If I had a 4 year old T-Mobile plan it would be a ton cheaper than your current ATT but there is no point in talking about that because I can't go out and get a 4 year old plan.

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For me it's going to be simple.  In a year I'm going to look at what carrier gives me great support for 3 smartphones and 2-3 tablets.   If T-Mobile is competitive in service are and cost I'll certainly consider them. 

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Wow! if someone did the same here in Portugal, this means:

Paying 100 euros for the iPhone, +20 each month 20 months. And since I am a student: unlimited voice and sms for vodafone (almost everyone), plus 350mb data each month, 7.5 euros.

So I could have an iPhone and pay 27.5 euros each month. I pay 10 and own a crappy Android device.
This is amazing, I wish vodafone does something similar!

You Americans have no idea about how much you guys are raped.

How big is the United States compared to Portugal? It costs a lot to run and maintain such large networks.
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post #49 of 95
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Wow! if someone did the same here in Portugal, this means:

Paying 100 euros for the iPhone, +20 each month 20 months. And since I am a student: unlimited voice and sms for vodafone (almost everyone), plus 350mb data each month, 7.5 euros.

So I could have an iPhone and pay 27.5 euros each month. I pay 10 and own a crappy Android device.
This is amazing, I wish vodafone does something similar!

You Americans have no idea about how much you guys are raped.

 

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How big is the United States compared to Portugal? It costs a lot to run and maintain such large networks.

 

Yeah Pedro, maybe next time, you may want to learn how large the USA really is, to get an idea look here. http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/bl-country-size-comparison-map.htm

Secondly, your little country is only 35,672.4 square miles compared to ONE of our states that you may have heard of... Texas which is 269,000 square miles which is roughly 7.5x larger than your country. So when each one of these Telecoms has to cover over 3 times the size of western europe... or according to here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe#Geography_and_extent), all of Europe is a little larger than the USA. So imagine only have 4 telecoms in ALL of europe, then we can compare.

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$55 a month gets you unlimited everything with Virgin Mobile. They're carrying the 4 and 4S, and you have to pay full price for the phone up front - $349 and $449, respectively. Still, you save money over two years with that $55 a month.

So let me get this straight.  Based on your response I can pay full price for an iPhone and pay $55 a month for unlimited everything, Or I can purchase the phone upfront and pay TMobile $50 a month for unlimited everything.   It seems to me that TMobile is STILL a better deal by $5!  You can purchase the phone upfront with TMobile too (Or an unlocked phone from Apple!).

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And you obviously consider phone prices the only factor in life. How much do you pay for a gallon (or liter) of gasoline for example? How about a large house with a big yard? America is for the most part is one of the cheapest places to live of any 1st world country when you add up everything you typically spend in a month. Of course in places like NYC, SF, and some other big cities the prices can approach or exceed other countries but for most Americans we can live very comfortably for far cheaper than Europe with a higher standard of living to boot. I lived two years in Sevilla and traveled to Portugal often so I have a good idea of costs there vs. here. 

 

You are also making the mistake that everyone pays those high phone tariffs. There are plans here for as low as $35 a month and even lower if you are a light user. I pay only $50 a month for unlimited everything. Your cheap plan in Portugal probably doesn't include a lot of voice minutes either. I use over 2,000 voice minutes a month since I use it for business and personal calls. How much would unlimited everything including voice cost in Portugal? 

unlimited voice minutes and sms for other vodafone (amost everyone with less than 40 years+ my family and friends), low cost for other carriers, 350 mb data = 7.5 euros.

 

That's great for me and other students. Based on this, we could affor iPhones with t-mobile.

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Yeah Pedro, maybe next time, you may want to learn how large the USA really is, to get an idea look here. http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/bl-country-size-comparison-map.htm

Secondly, your little country is only 35,672.4 square miles compared to ONE of our states that you may have heard of... Texas which is 269,000 square miles which is roughly 7.5x larger than your country. So when each one of these Telecoms has to cover over 3 times the size of western europe... or according to here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe#Geography_and_extent), all of Europe is a little larger than the USA. So imagine only have 4 telecoms in ALL of europe, then we can compare.

True.

 

But that doesn't change the fact that you guys still pay a lot.

In fact, since most Portuguese people earn less than 600 euros per month, T-mobile's offer would be the only way for the iphone to gain traction on market's like ours (europe).

 

All carriers offer unlimited everything if you pay more than 100 euros per month (+ a lot for a new phone). That's why most people have similar plans to mine on europe.

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Well, it depends upon what the taxes and fees are.    My AT&T plan, grandfathered unlimited, including taxes and fees costs about $81 per month + $200 for the 16GB phone (I actually paid $300 for the 32GB phone).   So over 20 months that's $1820.      The T-Mobile plan is $50 for 500MB, which could come to $60 with taxes and fees.   With the phone that's $1699, only a $121 difference over the life of the plan.    The unlimited plan is $70 a month, let's say $80 with taxes and fees.   That's $2099 over 20 months including the phone.    That's $279 above what I'm currently paying.

 

So I don't see any great bargain here.  If I want to limit my service, I can pay less with AT&T as well.     But for people who don't want to front $200 for the phone, being able to front only $99 might seem like a good deal.

 

(Man,  I never thought I'd be defending AT&T).

 

There are no "taxes and fees" $50 a month is what you pay with tmobiles plan (and just 2 monts ago $50 only got you 50mb of high speed data, not 500mb)

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Total rip off. So I am supposed to pay for the phone separately and they are still going to charge me almost exactly as much as AT&T does for unlimited data? Now I do know that AT&T 'unlimited' data isn't really unlimited any more, but I expect that T-Mobile's definition of 'unlimited' is a lot closer to AT&T's definition of 'unlimited' than everyone else's definition of unlimited. For this to be a good deal the unlimited plan needs to be about $50 per month and the 500GB plan about $30 a month.

Two things:

 

(1) this is cheaper than AT&T's unlimited plan, it seems to me, and

 

(2) did you note the much lower rates when adding additional lines?  Only $30 for second line and $10 for each additional.

 

Hopefully this causes competition in the data plan space, because I can tell you that my family of 4 (all with iPhones) would switch to this in a heartbeat, save money in the process (because of the lower cost on additional lines) and then save even more once all 4 NEW phones are paid off.

 

Thompson

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So let me get this straight.  Based on your response I can pay full price for an iPhone and pay $55 a month for unlimited everything, Or I can purchase the phone upfront and pay TMobile $50 a month for unlimited everything.   It seems to me that TMobile is STILL a better deal by $5!  You can purchase the phone upfront with TMobile too (Or an unlocked phone from Apple!).

T-Mobile isn't offering $50 a month unlimited everything.  There is a cap of 500 MB on the data.  For unlimited, it goes up to $70.  Still nice, though, especially considering the low rates for adding additional lines.

 

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There are no "taxes and fees" $50 a month is what you pay with tmobiles plan (and just 2 monts ago $50 only got you 50mb of high speed data, not 500mb)

How does T-Mobile get away with not charging taxes?

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A comparable plan on AT&T costs $130 a month, lacks unlimited data, lacks the hotspot, requires a $199 down payment on the same phone, and the price never adjusts when phone is paid off.

I don't think "comparable plan" is a good measure for matching a user to a carrier. I have absolutely no interest in unlimited voice or any text messaging whatsoever. I also don't use more than a few hundreds megabytes of data per month. What I do want is coverage is and speed. This is why I went with Verizon after more than 5 years with AT&T with the iPhone. Their HSDPA was superior to Verizon's LTE at first but that changed and even Verizon's LTE trounced AT&T in my area. I pay about $10 more a month for it (which is after over 20% off from a corporate discount and using nearly their cheapest plan) but to me it's worth it. Clearly the numbers show people are prefer using other carriers than T-Mobile and Sprint which have had to resort to some lower cost "deals" to attract buyers. This was the case before the iPhone was even on AT&T.


And, no, having faster speeds doesn't mean I'm using more data, it just means I'm not wasting time for the data to load. I actually use less data with my iPhone 5 than I did with my previous iPhones, but there are plenty of factors to consider for that.

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Solip, they said they're are only claiming LTE coverage in a city if the WHOLE city is covered so there isn't any false advertisement unlike other carriers. So when they say it, they mean it. And as TBell has pointed out, the HSPA+ is all over the place with pretty stink'n fast speed.

This is also the carrier that was calling HSPA+ '4G' long before the ITU-R changed their definition. Remember AT&T pointing fingers at T-Mobile before themselves adopting it? Not that it matters, as HSPA+ is so far above the 384kbps that '3G' started at with UMTS that it's a silly designation anyway to push to the customer.

Still, regardless of that, Verizon offers me much better coverage and fast LTE in my area so unless I see something that shows it's better for my needs saving a few dollars a month isn't going to affect me. Plus I'm not a fan of this paltry $150 subsidy on the iPhone 5. At that price I'd rather just buy it outright and and factory unlocked if I had to use T-Mobile USA.

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They have HSPA+ in a lot more areas.

A lot more areas than what? Their LTE coverage? 1confused.gif

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T-Mobile claimed that they would have 100 million customers covered with LTE by the end of 2013.

That sounds promising but it's still only about 30% of the US.

I never understood how they calculate those figures. Since people are mobile how to figure these numbers. I guess you could do a neighborhood fairly accurately with a household per capita, but do you could children who have no phones or people that don't have phones? What about business parks or other large areas that have virtually no people living in them, like long stretches of highway? I suppose using an average of the feasible land covered by the radio signal and then calculate the average number of people for that city but that has its own issues if it's not completely covered? But then want about those that commute?

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How does T-Mobile get away with not charging taxes?

I'm sure they have taxes & fees.  If the previous poster is correct, it simply means that the referenced $50 amount already includes all of that.  If he is incorrect, then there will be more to pay.

 

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Straight Talk uses ATT towers and iPhone 5 can be purchased then just monthly unlimited, cancel anytime.  In my area ATT provides great service.

Yes but what about LTE? StraightTalk doesn't offer LTE...

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post #60 of 95
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A lot more areas than what? Their LTE coverage? 1confused.gif
That sounds promising but it's still only about 30% of the US.

 

Actually, according to Cnet, T-Mobile plans to cover 300 million Americans with LTE by the end of 2013, not 100 million:

 

"The carrier plans to cover 100 million people with its service by the middle of this year. And it expects to cover an additional 200 million by the end of 2013."

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57576382-94/t-mobile-ceo-stop-the-bull-with-carrier-plans/

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Actually, according to Cnet, T-Mobile plans to cover 300 million Americans with LTE by the end of 2013, not 100 million:

"The carrier plans to cover 100 million people with its service by the middle of this year. And it expects to cover an additional 200 million by the end of 2013."


http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57576382-94/t-mobile-ceo-stop-the-bull-with-carrier-plans/

That's certainly much better news but I still have the same questions and concerns about that means to me.

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I don't know why no one is acting like this isn't a huge this. This is a HUGE deal.

T-Mobile is introducing the cheapest costs to own ANY phone. Paying $99 for a down payment, is $100 LESS than what you would pay on ATT or Verizon initially. 24 payments at $20 per month is no different that have a 2 year contract with the $20 payments masked within your bill.

This is a great move in the wireless industry, and everyone should get on board. It makes it so that people that don't upgrade or have their own phone, can pay a lower monthly payment. $70, unlimited everything is amazingly cheap.

And also, the merger with MetroPCS has been approved (as far as I heard), and they will likely activate LTE on cities that Metro already has LTE (mine being one 1smoking.gif)
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But after 20 months one is going to want to upgrade their iPhone so onto another payment plan they'll go.

That's what I was thinking. After your phone is paid off... it would be smart to keep that phone for a while and enjoy a lower monthly bill.

But most people want a newer phone... so they're back to paying more each month.

T-Mobile's new plans make a lot of sense on paper... but most people will upgrade their phones whenever they can.
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I don't know why no one is acting like this isn't a huge this. This is a HUGE deal.

T-Mobile is introducing the cheapest costs to own ANY phone. Paying $99 for a down payment, is $100 LESS than what you would pay on ATT or Verizon initially. 24 payments at $20 per month is no different that have a 2 year contract with the $20 payments masked within your bill.

This is a great move in the wireless industry, and everyone should get on board. It makes it so that people that don't upgrade or have their own phone, can pay a lower monthly payment. $70, unlimited everything is amazingly cheap.

And also, the merger with MetroPCS has been approved (as far as I heard), and they will likely activate LTE on cities that Metro already has LTE (mine being one 1smoking.gif)

So $100 less to start, but then I pay $20 per month (is that first payment up front?) so in just 5 months I'm already at what I spent on another carrier and after 20 months I pay it off with only a $150 subsidy compared to the much higher subsidy I get from other carriers, not mention I am usually able to make an upgrade well under 20 months with the other major carriers with no penalty.

I guess you can save some money with T-Mobile if they fit your right, but you can say that about anything. I just don't see how getting worse service save $100 upfront for a worse subsidy and then to go from about $80/month (what I paid for 2GB) on AT&T to about $80/month on T-Mobile USA ($50 + $20 + taxes) is a real draw. It's sound like late-night informercial trickery to me. "You can't afford not to."

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As with other carriers, only the iPhone 5 will be compatible with T-Mobile's new 4G LTE high-speed data network.

And?

This isn't a limitation by any carrier.

post #67 of 95
I'm a heavy internet user with plenty of money and a high income. Never been tempted to actually pay these ridiculous prices. It's just more than I am willing to pay.
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That's what I was thinking. After your phone is paid off... it would be smart to keep that phone for a while and enjoy a lower monthly bill.

But most people want a newer phone... so they're back to paying more each month.

T-Mobile's new plans make a lot of sense on paper... but most people will upgrade their phones whenever they can.

I don't think most people really want to upgrade their phone. The subsidy model of all the carriers made them upgrade. One is stupid if not upgrading whenever possible because one was paying for a phone every month. With no more big leaps expected in the smartphone development but just incremental spec bumps I can see customers willing to use their phones a couple of years longer until the battery is really underperforming. Especially if people have invested in cases, docks, chargers, adapters etc. saving 240$ if you use it three years instead of two is a big deal.
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I don't think most people really want to upgrade their phone.

I think it's the other way around. People want newer, faster, better things but with a $650+ phone that isn't subsidized you just hold onto it longer before it such a huge upfront cost. The subsidy model allows you to get that newer, faster, better more often.

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one thing no one is mentioning: you can still get the old $30/mo prepaid plans. unlimited text and data (5gb @ 4G) +100 min... or 1500 min/text + 30mb data. That's way cheaper than any grandfathered iPhone plan. If you're not a power user, then these plans are perfect.

And about the question of taxes and fees, I'm on a $30 tmo prepaid plan and it is exact $30 every month. fees and tax already included (I assume).

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Just a thought.....could this also indicate a possible April/June release of the 5s? Wishful thinking!

 

If they were going to do a June 5s why release on T-Mobile now rather than wait for the new one in 2 months 

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Total rip off. So I am supposed to pay for the phone separately and they are still going to charge me almost exactly as much as AT&T does for unlimited data? Now I do know that AT&T 'unlimited' data isn't really unlimited any more, but I expect that T-Mobile's definition of 'unlimited' is a lot closer to AT&T's definition of 'unlimited' than everyone else's definition of unlimited. For this to be a good deal the unlimited plan needs to be about $50 per month and the 500GB plan about $30 a month.

 

ATT doesn't sell unlimited plans anymore so that's a bonus for some folks. Also AT&T charges the same rate regardless of whether you get a subside, buy full price or are done with your contract. By putting it on two lines when you pay off your iPhone your T-Mobile bill will go down 

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Nobody's excited about HD Voice? :D

 

A service that only works if you and the other people both have t-mobile smartphones on 4g. 

 

Nope not really that big a deal

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But after 20 months one is going to want to upgrade their iPhone so onto another payment plan they'll go.

 

Or, now that folks aren't being strong armed into that upgrade because they aren't getting a discount because their device is paid off, we might find folks actually waiting until their units are dying before they shell out more cash. Certainly if they have 4 more months on an extended warranty they are liable to wait. So why not save a little cash

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A service that only works if you and the other people both have t-mobile smartphones on 4g. 

Nope not really that big a deal

Actually both people must have:

LTE capable phone
HD Voice capable phone
VoLTE capable network

T-Mobile competitors have announced plans to implement VoLTE this year.
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Well, it depends upon what the taxes and fees are.    My AT&T plan, grandfathered unlimited, including taxes and fees costs about $81 per month + $200 for the 16GB phone (I actually paid $300 for the 32GB phone).   So over 20 months that's $1820.      The T-Mobile plan is $50 for 500MB, which could come to $60 with taxes and fees.   With the phone that's $1699, only a $121 difference over the life of the plan.    The unlimited plan is $70 a month, let's say $80 with taxes and fees.   That's $2099 over 20 months including the phone.    That's $279 above what I'm currently paying.

 

So I don't see any great bargain here.  If I want to limit my service, I can pay less with AT&T as well.     But for people who don't want to front $200 for the phone, being able to front only $99 might seem like a good deal.

 

(Man,  I never thought I'd be defending AT&T).

 

 

First, are you claiming to be a typical AT&T customer? Anybody signing up for AT&T today for an individual plan will pay $69.99 for unlimited voice. Add another $30 to that for 3GB of data. Add another $20 to that for unlimited texting. This doesn't include the ability to share data with other devices like T-Mobile's plans do. The total price is $119.99 without taxes. So with taxes and fees you are looking at $130. 

 

The comparable T-Mobile plan costs $60 ($70 with taxes) for unlimited data (tethered from 4G to 3G after 2GBs), unlimited voice, and unlimited texting, HD Voice, and the ability to use your phone's internet on other devices (the hotspot feature). Add twenty a month for the phone. That is $90 a month compared to AT&T's $130. 

 

Moreover, on T-Mobile you can tailor the plans to get rid of data all together if you want to use just wi-fi. You can't do that on AT&T. 

 

Finally, the $50 T-Mobile plan is unlimited data, it is just after 500MB the speed drops from 4G to 3G. Maybe with some grandfathered AT&T deals, or plans with employer discounts, you will not save much switching, but a lot of people will save. 

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I think it's the other way around. People want newer, faster, better things but with a $650+ phone that isn't subsidized you just hold onto it longer before it such a huge upfront cost. The subsidy model allows you to get that newer, faster, better more often.

 

 

Not really. If I spend $130 a month on AT&T for a plan I can get on T-Mobile for about $60 a month, I will save a lot of money on T-Mobile. Do the math. The $130 multiplied by 24 months with the initial $199 for a 16GB iPhone 5 factored in comes to $3319. The $60 a month for 24 months with the whole $579 price of the 16 GB iPhone 5 factored in comes to $2019. That is a $1300 saving on T-Mobile over a comparable plan on AT&T. So, after a year, you could still sell your old iPhone, get a new iPhone, and come out ahead. 

 

Note that T-Mobile isn't charging you the $649 retail price. It is charging you $579. 

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Not really. If I spend $130 a month on AT&T for a plan I can get on T-Mobile for about $60 a month, I will save a lot of money on T-Mobile. Do the math. The $130 multiplied by 24 months with the initial $199 for a 16GB iPhone 5 factored in comes to $3319. The $60 a month for 24 months with the whole $549 price of the 16 GB iPhone 5 factored in comes to $1989. That is a $1330 saving on T-Mobile over a comparable plan on AT&T. So, after a year, you could still sell your old iPhone, get a new iPhone, and come out a head. 

You keep saying this but I was on AT&T for over 5 years with an iPhone and never paid close to $100/month, much less $130/month. As I stated before, it's simply not accurate to find two comparable plans between two carriers and then pigeonhole every customer into them. It's just makes your argument look disingenuous. Now I know you're just trying to find even ground, but it's simply not reasonable when you have to ignore so many other reasons why one chooses a carrier. I rarely paid over $80 per month with AT&T and now pay about $90 with Verizon. Even if there is this pre-included tax thing with T-Mobile USA $50 + $20 is $70. That's less than $20 more per month for a weaker service (and I think that's for only 500MB for the T-Mo data plan). I spend more than that for dinner most nights and only 66¢ per day. That's not exactly what I consider a moment where my eyes turn to dollar signs and they pop out of my head cartoon moment.

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A lot more areas than what? Their LTE coverage? 1confused.gif

 

Like over their entire coverage area? AT&T wanted to buy T-Mobile for a reason. 

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You keep saying this but I was on AT&T for over 5 years with an iPhone and never paid close to $100/month, much less $130/month. As I stated before, it's simply not accurate to find two comparable plans between two carriers and then pigeonhole every customer into them. It's just makes your argument look disingenuous. Now I know you're just trying to find even ground, but it's simply not reasonable when you have to ignore so many other reasons why one chooses a carrier. I rarely paid over $80 per month with AT&T and now pay about $90 with Verizon. Even if there is this pre-included tax thing with T-Mobile USA $50 + $20 is $70. That's less than $20 more per month for a weaker service (and I think that's for only 500MB for the T-Mo data plan). I spend more than that for dinner most nights and only 66¢ per day. That's not exactly what I consider a moment where my eyes turn to dollar signs and they pop out of my head cartoon moment.

 

 

Look you can tailor plans in a lot of different fashions. In truth on T-Mobile I can get an iPhone plan for as little as $29 a month. This excludes any data (try that on AT&T, which makes you have a data plan with an iPhone). However, I am comparing the second lowest priced new T-Mobile plan that comes with unlimited everything (except with a 2GB cap on 4G data) that costs $60 a month with the lowest priced AT&T plan that comes with unlimited voice, unlimited texting, and the lowest allotment of data, which is 3GB.

 

Go to AT&T's website. For an individual plan, the unlimited voice costs $69.99 a month. Add the lowest data pack available (the 3GB data pack), which is $30 a month. Unlimited texting costs an additional $20 a month. That costs $119.99 a month. Add in another $10 a month in taxes and fees. Can I make the plan cheaper? Sure, I can choose a 450 minute voice plan on AT&T for $39.99 a month. With the data pack and unlimited texting that still comes to $89.99 a month, excluding taxes and fees. I can make it even lower if I take away texting. That comes to $69.99 a month. On all four big networks, you might also qualify for an employer discount of some sort.

 

However, as I mentioned before, I was comparing the advertised unlimited plans, which is hard to do because AT&T doesn't offer one anymore (so I had to settle for the closet comparable plans). I think my comparison was fair. Going by the currently advertised prices on both networks, it costs about $130 on AT&T for what you can get on T-Mobile for $60 ($80 if you add the phone in). Further, you get more on T-Mobile because you don't have a contract and you can use your phone as a hot spot. 

 

As far as which Network is better, that really depends on where you live. I have tried Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T. In Ann Arbor Michigan, T-Mobile is great. In two years, I have suffered one dropped call, and maybe the other phone was at fault. In parts of Northern Michigan, T-Mobile doesn't have many towers, but roaming is included in the monthly price, and you ride off AT&T's network with no problem. 

More importantly, you can try T-Mobile's network out with simply the cost of a month's service. 

 

Perhaps not to you, but for many, T-Mobile's plans are going to be a great deal. 


Edited by TBell - 3/27/13 at 12:03am
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