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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Perhaps not to you, but for many, T-Mobile's plans are going to be a great deal. 

Sure, but no one denied that. Regional, MVNOs, and struggling carriers have always had to find ways to set themselves apart from the major carriers. This is not a new thing. This was the way it was with T-Mobile before the iPhone ever existed. My point still stands that you can't simply take two unlimited plans as proof that one carrier is better than another. You're just denying too many factors when you do that.

Everything you're saying just sounds so weighted toward T-Mobile and against AT&T. You haven't once mentioned another major US MNO. You choose one plan and one carrier to compare. I see absolutely no objectivity on your part. No range of carriers and plans and thresholds that would make various carries be more and less attractive with different consumer choices. You even claim there is no contract with T-Mobile but that iPhone on T-Mobile you're pushing costs $20/month for 20 months. Again, as I've shown, i lose out if I move to T-Mobile.
Edited by SolipsismX - 3/27/13 at 12:08am

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post #82 of 95
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


Sure, but no one denied that. Regional, MVNOs, and struggling carriers have always had to find ways to set themselves apart from the major carriers. This is not a new thing. This was the way it was with T-Mobile before the iPhone ever existed. My point still stands that you can't simply take two unlimited plans as proof that one carrier is better than another. You're just denying too many factors when you do that.

Everything you're saying just sounds so weighted toward T-Mobile and against AT&T. You haven't once mentioned another major US MNO. You choose one plan and one carrier to compare. I see absolutely no objectivity on your part. No range of carriers and plans and thresholds that would make various carries be more and less attractive with different consumer choices. You even claim there is no contract with T-Mobile but that iPhone on T-Mobile you're pushing costs $20/month for 20 months. Again, as I've shown, i lose out if I move to T-Mobile.

 

My comparison is based strictly on the advertised price of similar unlimited plans. I think I make that pretty clear. The other variables are too subjective to be useful (e.g. location, discounts, etc.). I choose AT&T and T-Mobile to compare for two reasons, first, their networks are similar (e.g. both use SIM cards), and second, they are the carriers I have the most recent experience with. I, however, did price unlimited plans on Sprint recently and a similar plan came out to $150 a month (without discounts). Further, what I say is intended to be weighted against AT&T because as a former customer I found it's service lacking, and based on it's current pricing and policies, still do. 

 

Yes, I did say there was no contract, but in truth no carrier has a no contract plan. Instead, they have  month to month contract plans. As far as the $20 for 20 months go, that has nothing to do with the cellular service as you can cancel that at the end of the month. It is a separate contract. Further, you don't have to pay for 20 months. You can just give T-Mobile $549 and you own the phone, or you can pay it off in fewer months if you like.

 

Moreover, you are critiquing me for focusing on price of similar advertised plans, something that clearly matters to me, but you make a sweeping subjective statement that T-Mobile has an inferior network while implying the plans aren't that good because you paid less for a different plan when you were with AT&T (as opposed to comparing the current plans). Yet, you claim I lack objectivity.

post #83 of 95
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

My comparison is based strictly on the advertised price of similar unlimited plans. I think I make that pretty clear. The other variables are too subjective to be useful (e.g. location, discounts, etc.). I choose AT&T and T-Mobile to compare for two reasons, first, their networks are similar (e.g. both use SIM cards), and second, they are the carriers I have the most recent experience with. I, however, did price unlimited plans on Sprint recently and a similar plan came out to $150 a month (without discounts). Further, what I say is intended to be weighted against AT&T because as a former customer I found it's service lacking, and based on it's current pricing and policies, still do. 

Yes, I did say there was no contract, but in truth no carrier has a no contract plan. Instead, they have  month to month contract plans. As far as the $20 for 20 months go, that has nothing to do with the cellular service as you can cancel that at the end of the month. It is a separate contract. Further, you don't have to pay for 20 months. You can just give T-Mobile $549and you own the phone, or you can pay it off in fewer months if you like.

Moreover, you are critiquing me for focusing on price of similar advertised plans, something that clearly matters to me, but you make a sweeping subjective statement that T-Mobile has an inferior network while implying the plans aren't that good because you paid less for a different plan when you were with AT&T (as opposed to comparing the current plans). Yet, you claim I lack objectivity.

1) I'm criticizing your subjective view for being worded as objective.

2) T-Mobile's network coverage for the iPhone 5 is inferior to other MNOs. That's a fact. Even T-Mobile USA says they only cover 7 cities and will have 100 million people covered by mid 2013 per their own marketing material, right? How is that not inferior to what AT&T, Sprint and Verizon currently offer. In no way does being inferior in one regard mean it's inferior in all regards just as you finding a plan that makes T-Mobile superior to another carrier make it superior in all regards. However, if your goal was to come to a diverse public forum to only talk about plans that interest you I certainly didn't catch that in your original comment.

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post #84 of 95
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Link??  We don't need no stinkin' link to backup claims !!!!  /s


Link's no backup. He's the Hero.

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post #85 of 95
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


1) I'm criticizing your subjective view for being worded as objective.

2) T-Mobile's network coverage for the iPhone 5 is inferior to other MNOs. That's a fact. Even T-Mobile USA says they only cover 7 cities and will have 100 million people covered by mid 2013 per their own marketing material, right? How is that not inferior to what AT&T, Sprint and Verizon currently offer. In no way does being inferior in one regard mean it's inferior in all regards just as you finding a plan that makes T-Mobile superior to another carrier make it superior in all regards. However, if your goal was to come to a diverse public forum to only talk about plans that interest you I certainly didn't catch that in your original comment.

 

 

Pricing is not subjective, it is objective. Something either costs more or it doesn't. So, the fact that pricing is important to me is subjective, but the actual cost is objective. T-Mobile's advertised prices are objectively better period. 

 

As far as the Network goes, you are making a blanket statement that you are criticising me about. For example, if I happen to live in one of those 7 Cities, T-Mobile's LTE network is great and maybe better then it's competitors. Engadet is reporting speeds 40Mbps down over three runs, with upload speeds hovering around 25Mbps.  More importantly, when is marketing indicative of actual performance? T-Mobile has HSPS+ fully rolled out and in many cases that will perform better than LTE. Network quality is based largely on where you live, what you are doing, and what equipment you are using. It can also be enhanced through equipment like indoor cellular towers, which T-Mobile is or at least was giving out free if needed. AT&T charges.

 

Moreover, T-Mobile actually has LTE in more cities, it just isn't fully rolled out. For example, in the Ann Arbor area T-Mobile has LTE coverage, but there are dead zones where it will switch to HSPS+ or 3G. 


Edited by TBell - 3/27/13 at 7:16am
post #86 of 95
AND, those of us that got suckered in by the %u2018Move your iPhone over to us%u2019 program that ran over the last 3-4 months by T-Mobile, and shelled out almost a thousand bucks for an UN-LOCKED iPhone 5, NOW - WE%u2019RE SCREWED because the Hardware is NOT COMPATIBLE. AND neither T-Mobile OR Apple will step up and take responsibility for that screw up..

Thanks clowns.. If you think I%u2019m buying another iPhone 5 just to get the OLD T-Mumble AWS network, you%u2019re just stone stupid.
post #87 of 95
Full iPhone line up as in also the iPhone 5 32g and 64g?
post #88 of 95
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

AND, those of us that got suckered in by the %u2018Move your iPhone over to us%u2019 program that ran over the last 3-4 months by T-Mobile, and shelled out almost a thousand bucks for an UN-LOCKED iPhone 5, NOW - WE%u2019RE SCREWED because the Hardware is NOT COMPATIBLE. AND neither T-Mobile OR Apple will step up and take responsibility for that screw up..

Thanks clowns.. If you think I%u2019m buying another iPhone 5 just to get the OLD T-Mumble AWS network, you%u2019re just stone stupid.


Why should Apple "step up and take responsibility?"

Do you think companies "screw up" when they release new hardware such as the likely forthcoming next generation iPhone?
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post
…those of us that got suckered in by… …T-Mobile…

 

And this is their problem why?


AND neither T-Mobile OR Apple will step up and take responsibility for that screw up..

 

Well, Apple has zero responsibility in the first place, so I think you know who to contact.

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post #90 of 95
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Yes but what about LTE? StraightTalk doesn't offer LTE...

Last time I checked, StraightTalk also prohibited tethering (aka, Mobile Hot Spot, aka Personal WiFi).  They talk about unlimited data, but in the fine print they say you are prohibited from using your phone as a modem (which is their 20th-Century way of saying no mobile hotspot).  There are many reports of people having their service terminated for using the hotspot feature of the iPhone or other smartphone.  And many of us do depend upon the hotspot as our main source of internet, so this IS a big deal.  I, for example, refuse to pay the cable pig.

post #91 of 95
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Originally Posted by icoco3 View Post

 

Straight Talk uses ATT towers and iPhone 5 can be purchased then just monthly unlimited, cancel anytime.  In my area ATT provides great service.

Don't forget VirginMobileUSA, which also has competitive pricing.  But beware that some areas do not have even 4G speed.  Some don't even have 3G and are limited to EDGE speed (2.75G) on Virgin.  Still, if you're a light data user, this may be a good option for you.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
The 1700MHz frequency, branded as 4G but not LTE, is unique to T-Mobile among carriers, and allows iPhone users only very slow 2G connectivity. Given T-Mobile's relatively small customer base, Apple never moved to support T-Mobile's standard. Instead, T-Mobile has been working to switch much of its network to 1900MHz in order to allow iPhone connectivity. The company will be repurposing its 1700MHz band for 4G LTE.

I would be very interested to know how T-Mobile is handling the "throttling" when you exceed your allotment of monthly data.  Do they simply restrict you to a slower band, such as 3G or EDGE?  Or do they cut you to a certain speed (what speed?) regardless of your frequency/technology? Or do they just arbitrarily cut you down to whatever the local network can handle at the moment to ensure that non-overage customers have full speed?  If it's the latter, then I wouldn't mind, but if it's the former, and they lock you to EDGE for the remainder of your month, then I would be disinclined to use their service.

post #93 of 95

I bought an un-locked, iPhone 5 from Apple in December. And NOW, T-Mumble and Apple are telling me that I have to buy another one to get all of the network I’m currently already on?? 

 

NOT LIKELY.

post #94 of 95
Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post
I bought an un-locked, iPhone 5 from Apple in December. And NOW, T-Mumble and Apple are telling me that I have to buy another one to get all of the network I’m currently already on?? 

 

NOT LIKELY.


So don't do it. You knew exactly what you were purchasing when you purchased it, and now you know that you have another option available. This is no one's "fault".

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post #95 of 95
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

I bought an un-locked, iPhone 5 from Apple in December. And NOW, T-Mumble and Apple are telling me that I have to buy another one to get all of the network I’m currently already on?? 

 

NOT LIKELY.

 

 

Actually, nowhere on Apple's site does it say the unlocked iPhone was supported on T-Mobile's network. If you look at Apple's unlocked iPhone 5 website, it has a section that talks about what LTE networks are supported, and T-Mobile's is excluded. 

 

Moreover, T-Mobile's website didn't claim to support the iPhone on it's high speed network.It has, however, tried to give 3G support to iPhones.  

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