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Apple has allegedly developed its own dedicated gaming controller for release at some point in the future, a development that, if true, could drastically reshape the face of the video game industry.

Update: The extremely reliable Jim Dalrymple of The Loop has weighed in on the matter, saying, "Nope."

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Multiple sources at the 2013 Game Developers Conference have told Pocket Gamer that, in secret meetings at the San Francisco, Calif., convention, Apple representatives have been talking to developers about the company's plans and lining up developers so that the gaming peripheral will enjoy wide support upon its release. The notoriously secretive iPad maker is said to be operating at GDC under a pseudonym in order to avoid media attention.

Details on the form factor of the controller are unknown. Also unknown is when gamers could expect such a device to be unveiled. Current speculation points to an April event focusing on the iPad or perhaps Apple's longtime "hobby" of "intense interest," the Apple TV.

Should Apple's rumored controller be unveiled alongside an updated Apple TV, such an event would largely confirm earlier rumors that Apple was preparing to make a push to turn its "hobby" into a much bigger pillar within the company. Those rumors had Apple revealing a standard development kit (SDK) and possibly opening the App Store for operation on its set-top box, two elements that would likely be necessary were Apple to release a controller for iOS/Apple TV gaming.

Apple's iOS devices have in short time become a major platform for game development, with games from previously unknown developers going on to sell in the millions of copies. The touchscreen form factor of the devices, though, has to some extent kept them from functioning as serious, dedicated gaming platforms.

Some major developers have introduced ports of successful titles for Apple's devices, specially crafted to suit the touchscreen. These titles, though, tend to be from a limited range of game genres.

The introduction of a controller would open iOS or Apple TV to a wider span of titles, and ? taken in conjunction with the popularity of Apple devices ? could reshape the gaming landscape in a short period of time. Noted gaming figures, including the designer of Microsoft's Xbox and Valve's Gabe Newell, have pointed out that the traditional gaming heavyweights would likely be in trouble should Apple decide to get into the gaming hardware industry in a bigger fashion.

Apple won't be the only company looking to disrupt the gaming industry in the near future. Chief rival Samsung, while introducing the Galaxy S4, also unveiled a physical controller much in the vein of Microsoft's standard Xbox controller. Also, upstart gaming company Ouya has begun shipping its eponymous, Android-based game console with the hopes of bringing the emotional element of traditional console gaming back in the increasingly mobile-dominated game sector.
post #2 of 107
Waiting for someone to say "Who needs controllers? Just use a keyboard and mouse."

Or how about sticking little stubs and buttons onto the iPhone screen?
Edited by Haggar - 3/29/13 at 12:21pm
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People here have been saying this for a long time now!

 

Apple needs to be on top of things, and they should definitely release an Apple branded game controller.

 

It would be awesome! Third party controllers made by small companies don't have the clout to get universally accepted, but Apple certainly does! Every developer would be jumping on this and making certain games that are compatible with this Apple controller.

 

Gaming has taken off in a big way on iOS, and Apple needs to move in and deliver the final death blow now. Release an awesome controller and take no prisoners!

 

Some gaming people and typical gaming nerds are living in total denial, and refuse to accept that iOS is changing gaming in a big way. This summer, we'll even have XCOM:Enemy Unknown on iPhones and iPads, the full game supposedly! iOS gaming is a hell of lot more than Angry Birds type of games! There will be no Android release of course for XCOM, as Android is complete crap and most developers are not interested in wasting their time with Android crap.

 

And in 2014, Nintendo will finally cave in and release their classics for iOS, according to a rumor started by Apple ][.

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I think this would go great with some kind of new AppleTV that supports apps. Then you could have games right on your TV. 

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post #5 of 107
If Apple were to introduce an iTV that is also a gaming machine, that would certainly be much more value added than just a straight TV.
post #6 of 107
add a phone to the iPad and iPad mini and then you would have gaming, iPhone, music and apps all in one nice bundle with the new game controller. The Sky Gamblers games are good on the iPad, but a special controller would be welcome (as well as adding a phone.)
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I'm an iCade fan, but that's a retro style of controller perfect for only certain game types. A modern, widely-supported controller (be it for touch devices or AppleTV) would be welcome!

 

At first it could have killed touch and tilt gaming: developers would have been lazy and just required the controller. That day has passed: it's time to branch out! (AppleTV vs. Ouya could be interesting.)

 

If the rumors have multiple developer sources, that does make it sound like it might be a) real and b) not too many months off.

post #8 of 107

I hope this is true. Playing Pac-Man without a physical controller is not fun.

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I think this would go great with some kind of new AppleTV that supports apps. Then you could have games right on your TV. 

 

Bingo!  Up until now, iOS games have been limited to casual gaming.  With a quality controller and AppleTV, iOS can compete directly with the consoles.  Very good news!

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If they're out there at a games dev conference talking about it, spreading rumours it might just around the corner.

Could be a scam though. Anonymous guy posing as apple employee, ha ha..
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If they're out there at a games dev conference talking about it, spreading rumours it might just around the corner.

Could be a scam though. Anonymous guy posing as apple employee, ha ha..

That would be hilarious!
"Anonymous sources close to Apple said yesterday.." Yeah right!
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post #12 of 107

I agree that this seems suspect. Apple's style is to bring select folks to Cupe, make them sign their souls etc away and then give them the full details so they have a version ready to show at WWDC. After which everyone else gets the developers kit etc.

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Update: The extremely reliable Jim Dalrymple of The Loop has weighed in on the matter, saying, "Nope."
 

 

Damn, that is rather unfortunate, because that guy is almost never wrong.

 

So, if this rumor is untrue at the present time, then I still think that this is something that Apple should be doing, and they should do it sooner rather than later. What are they waiting for?

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I like Jim Dalrymple but I don't believe him this time. Multiple sources said Apple was at the show and Apple would be STUPID to not come out with a controller when Sony and Microsoft are going to rule the holiday sales with their new consoles. And guess what? Most families aren't going to buy a Playstation 4 AND an iPad.
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More important the the controller will be a standard SDK for supporting game controllers for iOS. This would allow both Apple and third parties to design game controllers that will work with all games that support the SDK. Remember that Apple will be make a lot more money selling iOS devices than game controllers but having a first party reference design will be needed to get the ball rolling. I suggested this approach to Apple about two years ago. I hope this rumor is true.
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Wow, I used to have one of those joysticks! :D My family was probably the few, if not the only one to have a home computer back in the 80's, in my neighborhood in Brazil - let alone an Apple II :) Brings back fond memories of designing stuff in Logo and playing Lode Runner!

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I like Jim Dalrymple but I don't believe him this time. Multiple sources said Apple was at the show and Apple would be STUPID to not come out with a controller when Sony and Microsoft are going to rule the holiday sales with their new consoles. And guess what? Most families aren't going to buy a Playstation 4 AND an iPad.

Yeah, Jim Dalrymple can't realistically know everything that Apple is doing or that would be one serious leak problem. He probably wasn't aware of the iPhone or iPad.

Apple was definitely at GDC:

https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/316736139753029633

It's true they might not have been there to talk about a controller, it could have just been to promote putting awesome games on the iPad but a controller would require support from developers prior to launch and Apple can't do that themselves. An iPad and iPhone in September with Rogue graphics and a physical controller would be pretty neat. Kids could sit in the back of the car and play games without holding the iPad.
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Maybe not...
http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/03/29/the-rumored-apple-branded-gaming-joypad/

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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

I like Jim Dalrymple but I don't believe him this time. Multiple sources said Apple was at the show and Apple would be STUPID to not come out with a controller when Sony and Microsoft are going to rule the holiday sales with their new consoles. And guess what? Most families aren't going to buy a Playstation 4 AND an iPad.

Yeah, Jim Dalrymple can't realistically know everything that Apple is doing or that would be one serious leak problem. He probably wasn't aware of the iPhone or iPad.

Apple was definitely at GDC:

https://twitter.com/PHIL_FISH/status/316736139753029633

It's true they might not have been there to talk about a controller, it could have just been to promote putting awesome games on the iPad but a controller would require support from developers prior to launch and Apple can't do that themselves. An iPad and iPhone in September with Rogue graphics and a physical controller would be pretty neat. Kids could sit in the back of the car and play games without holding the iPad.

There are better reasons for Apple to be there.

I doubt you can find where Jim denied the iPhone or iPad. He doesn't tend to comment for no reason.
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Yeah, Jim Dalrymple can't realistically know everything that Apple is doing or that would be one serious leak problem.


Indeed. But that's why he comments only sparingly on rumors, and only drops the definitive yup or nope when he is sure.

 

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He probably wasn't aware of the iPhone or iPad.
 

 

But he didn't say nope prior to their launches.

 

I honestly do not remember a single instance when Dalrymple had been wrong when he directly confirmed or denied a rumor. He doesn't have in-depth knowledge about tech and relies on his sources to maintain his rep. So he only makes proclamations when he is 100% sure.


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I can think of one game controller apple already makes.  It has an i next to its name.

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Originally Posted by tylerk36 View Post
I can think of one game controller apple already makes.  It has an i next to its name.

 

I can think of three. 1wink.gif

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post #23 of 107
If Apple want to open up Apple TV to developers to develop apps and games, they need to do it now and release it before Sony PS4 comes out at the end of the year. I could finally buy myself one (or rather upgrade my Gen 2 Apple TV). Can't wait!
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Originally Posted by Splash-reverse View Post
If Apple want to open up Apple TV to developers to develop apps and games, they need to do it now and release it before Sony PS4 comes out at the end of the year.

 

Like people will actually buy the PS4… lol.gif

 

What's the placeholder price right now, $899? iOS and consoles are wholly different markets. No one's losing out by anyone doing anything anywhere else.

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post #25 of 107
This could single-handedly lead of Apple's complete domination of the videogame industry. The next generation of Apple's iOS devices will have even greater graphics capabilities, and with the ease of iOS development and the reach of iOS devices, combined with an official wireless controller, it's a no-brainer developing for that platform.
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Too bad it got nope'd.  This would have been welcome.

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I like Jim Dalrymple but I don't believe him this time. Multiple sources said Apple was at the show and Apple would be STUPID to not come out with a controller when Sony and Microsoft are going to rule the holiday sales with their new consoles. And guess what? Most families aren't going to buy a Playstation 4 AND an iPad.

 

So you're predicting dismal PS4 sales?  That's hardly going out on a limb...

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Uhhh, what are you talking about? I didn't predict dismal sales of anything.

 

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So you're predicting dismal PS4 sales?  That's hardly going out on a limb...

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Introduce two tiers of AppleTV: Consumer and Consumer/Gamer.
  • The Consumer/Gamer is a beefier set up with Dual A7s or Quad A7s [don't have a concern with power issues as it will be an AppleTV and gaming console] that comes with the new controller or dual controllers and extended with your iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch for group playing.
  • Consumer: Dual A7s to coordinate with your iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch that doesn't require the controller and large games for system intensive output.
  • Create 2 Models of flash storage: 32GB/64GB
  • Extend option to stream via Thunderbolt connection to a NAS or any other stored system to allow all games to be loaded on that and streamed on demand, not to mention Video/Audio storage.
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Uhhh, what are you talking about? I didn't predict dismal sales of anything.

 

 

You wrote:

 

"Most families aren't going to buy a Playstation 4 AND an iPad."

 

I'm just teasing...but honestly with or without a controller if I HAD to choose between the two this Christmas it'll be an iPad Mini Retina and not a PS4.

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I can think of one game controller apple already makes.  It has an i next to its name.

 


I don't game but my 17 year old son is an avid gamer.  He tells me iPhones and iPads and iPod Touches won't work well as a traditional game controller, because the gamer wants to have his eyes on the big screen (presumably the HD TV set), while his hand are on the controller, doing things by feel.  This makes sense to me.  I've never seen a gamer constantly moving his attention back and forth from game to controller.  

 

I hear that a new Nintendo system contradicts what I'm saying in that they have a small screen on their controller.  (I don't know know if it's touch.)  But my understanding is that this system is non standard and may not be very successful.

post #32 of 107

Jony Ive must have already done a game controller.

Maybe the world's best game controller ever.

Then he said "F*** this.  Let someone else do it."

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The new Apple game controller will add a new level of skill to the games. It will be Siri-related and you will have to ask her nicely to shoot the bad guy or she will ignore you and even go off on you. Siri will also monitor the amount of cussing you do and deduct points for any bad language. Gaming is going to get a whole lot more difficult!

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Originally Posted by delreyjones View Post
He tells me iPhones and iPads and iPod Touches won't work well as a traditional game controller, because the gamer wants to have his eyes on the big screen (presumably the HD TV set), while his hand are on the controller, doing things by feel.

 

And you can do that with iDevices.

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I think this would go great with some kind of new AppleTV that supports apps. Then you could have games right on your TV. 

Apple TV already supports apps and in fact you can already play lots of iOS games "right on your TV."  Even the ones that don't support using the TV as a third monitor are supported through AirPlay. 

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Like people will actually buy the PS4… lol.gif

Yes they will

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What's the placeholder price right now, $899? iOS and consoles are wholly different markets. No one's losing out by anyone doing anything anywhere else.

You are seriously trying to compared a placeholder price of an unreleased item to the price of an existing item? Wow, even for you that is a stretch
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I can think of one game controller apple already makes.  It has an i next to its name.

What's it called?
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I don't care how unlikely this is PLEASE MAKE IT BE TRUE!

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Jony Ive must have already done a game controller.

Maybe the world's best game controller ever.

Then he said "F*** this.  Let someone else do it."

 

Like this?

http://store.apple.com/us/product/HA212VC/A/discovery-bay-duo-gamer

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I can think of three. 1wink.gif

 

Which three?, just curious (& yes this is a test :p)

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