Originally Posted by Haggar
First, not every web page in the world is formatted for the iPhone or iPad screen, nor is it reasonable to expect that. But I suppose you'll blame all the authors in the world for not reformatting all webpages in existence. Second, what happens if you zoom in on a PDF on an iPhone screen? Now the PDF expands both horizontally and vertically. Do you suggest having two sets of dots now, one for horizontal and another for vertical? Remember, PDF's may consist of more than just text with vector fonts. Are you suggesting that applications start modifying the original PDF, reformating and renumbering pages whenever you change magnification? Perhaps also chopping images into multiple pieces and putting them onto different pages? Wait, let me guess... It's the author's fault again for not knowing what size every individual person wants to use?
And scrolling through long email messages or email folders? Again, I suppose you will blame others for writing long email messages or for having lots of messages in their inbox.
How about scrolling through long notes in Notes app? Again, I suppose your answer is "Just don't write that much"?
Long lists in the Reminders app? I know... "Just don't add so many items".
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lol, wow some hostility, Hagger and stelligent, it seems no one recognizes sarcasm (/s) when they see it. Since you posed different questions then what you are continuing here, and you asked so nicely and without bias this first time ("Now I'm expecting some guys here to respond with "iOS is perfect. It's the author's fault for writing long documents", "We don't need anything from Android" or "Just don't scroll that way".") I will explain what I meant.
First of all, large, detailed documents aren't best seen with a phone. I know, that's obvious and seems like a cop-out but it isn't. I'm not talking about websites specifically (though, some info heavy sites could use a detect script along with CSS modifications - I, like may developers, have on our corporate site) but you can't honestly be reading long briefs in a pdf on a phone and think, well, if only it had better scrollers this document would be a cinch to read. That's not been the case with myself or the experience we get from the people we've created a paperless infrastructure for. It's not just navigation traits, it using the right device for the job for optimal usage. That last part is the most important. Optimal usage. There is a reason why responsive design is so popular right now, the devices people are using to see content are shrinking so the gap for optimal usage needs to shrink as well.
My first post answered the issues you brought up. Documents with many pages can be easily sorted through in bulk or as an individual file with many, many pages. Using iBooks, you can file, sort and search many documents and once in one, you can jump directly to a page. If the text is vector, you can search for terms within any given document. These are fantastic solutions I use all the time with manuals and receipts. Your issue seems to be scrolling and, unfortunately, it is the number one nav trait on a touch screen besides taping. To say you scroll too much is like saying you move your curser too much on a desktop environment. For some scenarios, you just need to scroll. I have yet to see a solution that is intuitive to get through miles long emails while keeping a firm understanding about context besides scrolling because on a small screen, you can't see what you are skipping past.
This old trope that if Apple doesn't do it, you are "doing it wrong, holding it wrong or it's just someone else's fault" is really played out and makes you seem like a fanboi, even if you are saying it to avoid fanbois. The fact of the matter is that it sounds like you want to be able to read large amounts of information in piece-meal bites on a tiny screen without having to scroll much and that isn't possible without sacrificing one of theses three (small bites of info/small screen/no scrolling). When you zoom in on a PDF, to see a graphic better or whatever the case may be, you pinch back out to normal size and carry on with your document. I don't see what any modification would be needing to happen. Again, when I have issues looking for something in email or in documents, it's not the system I that upsets me after a while, it's the display. Maybe that's just me.
I'm sorry but it sounds like while there may be some space to improve, maybe a scroll and hold feature that zooms past content of you scroll up/down and hold at the top/bottom, but even then, on a small screen, you are not going to be able to actually see what's going by (if the phone can even render that quickly). You pounce on me for excuses I hadn't even made ("Just don't write that much") when I never said any of that, you seemed to be looking for push back. I wasn't giving any, just examples of solutions I've found that are built right in.
Originally Posted by stelligent
I think you are focusing on his post too literally. The lesson I take from his words is that touch-based navigation can improve on iOS (and elsewhere). As someone mentioned, physics and gestures could be improved.
I think we can all benefit from taking the positive from other people's post rather than looking for cracks to spread open, and the patting ourselves for making others look foolish (or believing that we did). Don't you agree?
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Seriously? I focusing on his answer too literally? I'm supposed to just glean the abstract portion of the question? I think it is really obvious that iOS and as an extension, touch-based navigation can and will improve over time and with many people adding input. We will get more gestures and the API's will be distributed so that others can include it in their apps, ensuring wide acceptance. He said there wasn't an easier way to absorb large amounts of info without endlessly scrolling, and I corrected him (and even ignored the expectation that I would blast something from android, which I didn't). I wasn't "looking for cracks to spread open", nor was I "patting myself in the back", I was trying to be helpful to someone who may not have been a power user. And please, give me a break about "taking the positive of other's people's posts". You obviously didn't for mine.
Edited by websnap - 4/8/13 at 11:39am
Both of you, for future reference, /s= sarcasm (my last line was sarcastic). I mean no sarcasm in this post though, just an FYI.