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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


Really? If one, then allow them 'all'?


"All" seems a very bad idea. "Infringing on people's rights/wellbeing" is key here.

The FBI has a few words to say about "all".

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Originally Posted by NIZZARD View Post

Gays shouldn't even be allowed to own Apple devices.


Also, San francisco has too many Apple Stores :p

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Anyone who's being paying attention knows Apple is not an anti-gay company - never have been. They also know that these decisions are often not consistent because they're decided by different people each time. It's like carrying a pocket knife through airport security - sometimes it gets through, sometimes it doesn't. And when it doesn't, someone always says "well, I flew with this knife before" as if that's a real argument. It isn't.

 

Also, anyone paying attention also knows that apps carry more stringent content restrictions than books, movies, and music. Why? Because for some reason, their customers see apps differently. When a book or album is sold with "explicit" content, customers credit (or blame) the author or musician. When an app is sold with it, for some reason, they credit (or blame) Apple. No, it's not right, but that's the way it is. Perhaps because you can buy the albums, movies, and books in lots of places, but you can only buy apps from Apple. Who knows? Apple could change that thinking by explaining that developers are responsible for the content, but they feel they'll lose a large portion of their customers if they do that, and are not willing to take the risk. It all comes down to dollars.


It's partly due to the tight control they exert... Woes of being in control :p

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Seriously, look up the image that got it banned.  It is a postage stamp sized image on 1 page of a comic book in a highly regarded series.  Its not a pornoghraphic comic, although it is more geared for adults. 

 

I don't have issues with Apple curating the app store.  If they don't want sex in the store, thats their choice.  But it should be applied equally(and the prior issues that included genitalia could have been a simple oversight and they may be removed).  As for you, are you so much of a fanboy you will defend any action, or are you a homophobe?  Why is equal rights such a terrible thing?


He's already stated to be a gun-rights activist, an anti-abortionist, that anything that puts workers rights above Apple's profits is wrong...

 

While it's only my opinion, I don't think he's a real person. Then again...

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

Everybody knows that Apple is extremely conservative when it comes to sexually related kinds of things.

 

It's not like the CEO of Apple is a homophobe or anything like that, so these gay whiners, whining about their gay comic getting censored should just STFU.

From a purely logical perspective, I have to point out that the former leader of the very homophobic Nazi Party of Austria was gay. But that's really to nitpick on logics.

 

 

And because life's always bigger than stories.

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Originally Posted by Satorical View Post

It's really weird that there are censorship fans.

 

 

There are no greater censorship fans than those on the left, which includes many gay people.

 

If they're for censoring and forbidding things that other people like, then I can also play that game, and I am for censoring certain things that don't really affect me, but will make certain other people upset, those very same censorship happy people. What goes around, comes around.

post #47 of 146
Yawn. Non issue. If you want porn, you don't accuse Wal-Mart of censorship for not offering it for sale. Apple on the other hand gets slathered in "censorship" slander, because, you know, everything Apple does is evil. EVERYTHING. Praise Samsung and Google and porn. You know that's what this is about.

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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN View Post

... It's not fricking rocket surgery!

I'm not familiar with "rocket surgery."
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Hey, nice update here AppleInsider. Good reactivity. Also, pleased to see that Apple's not to blame, and pleased to see a publisher that make amends as they should.

Now, if Apple would adress the definition of "obscene" with the US Senate? Please?

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There are no greater censorship fans than those on the left, which includes many gay people.

 

If they're for censoring and forbidding things that other people like, then I can also play that game, and I am for censoring certain things that don't really affect me, but will make certain other people upset, those very same censorship happy people. What goes around, comes around.


Says the guy that's put Android users in prison, as he stated...

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I'm not familiar with "rocket surgery."


Oh, nice "spot" roll here ^^

I love the term.

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Says the guy that's put Android users in prison, as he stated...

I've probably said a lot of things about Android users, but I don't recall ever writing anything about putting Android users in Prison. And if I did, then maybe it was a joke.

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Yawn. Non issue. If you want porn, you don't accuse Wal-Mart of censorship for not offering it for sale. Apple on the other hand gets slathered in "censorship" slander, because, you know, everything Apple does is evil. EVERYTHING. Praise Samsung and Google and porn. You know that's what this is about.


Well, it was not Apple, it was Comixology, but there is one huge difference Suddenly Newton... Apple is not in the business of selling commodities that can be offered as-is in any other store. They sell specifically tailored, beautifully crafted mind creations (or else, they are done wrong). If the product doesn't get on the Store, it will not be sold anywhere else. It makes it a very different case, in my opinion, than "selling a brand of tuna cans".

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I've probably said a lot of things about Android users, but I don't recall ever writing anything about putting Android users in Prison. And if I did, then maybe it was a joke.


Then, my apologies for misunderstanding.

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I'm not familiar with "rocket surgery."

"Rocket surgery" is several orders more technically complex (in the metaphor world) than either "brain surgery" or rocket science."

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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN View Post

"Rocket surgery" is several orders more technically complex (in the metaphor world) than either "brain surgery" or rocket science."
So is that equivalent to "brain science"?
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Gotta love that image of a nursing mother with a pistol. 

 


Well, they're being hunted down by two warring galactic empires with nigh unlimited resources, so cut her some slack, eh?

post #58 of 146
It's a tempest in a teapot, completely manufactured by the publisher's PR. Would you have heard about this comic otherwise? I wouldn't have. Move along, there's absolutely nothing to see here.
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So is that equivalent to "brain science"?

"Brain science" is actually ranked slightly lower than either "rocket science" or "brain surgery" (you don't even have to have a master's degree to do "brain science!")

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Um . . . what?

Everyone knows Apple's stance on sexually-explicit material. 

This falls under that policy, whether it's "gay sex" or not. 

I don't get what the fuss is about. 

They are just whining and having hissy fits. They know they shouldn't have did it.

Now, if others are publishing material that breaks Apples' guidelines, report it and shut up.

Apple is not having a double-standard. There's nothing to read here. Move along.
Edited by sflocal - 4/10/13 at 12:14pm
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So is that equivalent to "brain science"?


"If brain was simple enough that we could understand it, then we would be too simple to investigate it"

 

Love that quote.

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post #62 of 146
Figures, not even Apple banning it. This is right up there with Google implying their non submitted apps were waiting on Apple.
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[Update] Following the uproar over the supposed banning of Saga #12, comic publishing app Comixology has stepped forward to take the blame. In a letter published by Kotaku, Comixology stated that it had preemptively held back publication of Saga #12 in anticipation that the issue's graphic content would be in violation of Apple's App Store rules.

"Given this, it should be clear that Apple did not reject Saga #12," Comixology's letter states. The issue will be available for purchase in the app in the near future.

 

Unreal. This, for the millionth time, shows how badly everyone wants to shit on Apple as to not take the time or effort to do proper research before publishing false accusations and allegations, which then gets duplicated across every single tech blog instantly. Just another fraudulent Apple bash fest composed of bullshit. Can't wait for the new one tomorrow, and for the next fake "app gets rejected" story. There is absolutely no journalistic integrity left anymore, with everyone rushing to publish something for hit-whoring, and whether its true or not being an irrelevant factor. 

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I do have to like the result of people searching through all the comics looking for genitalia lol.gif

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It's a tempest in a teapot, completely manufactured by the publisher's PR. Would you have heard about this comic otherwise? I wouldn't have. Move along, there's absolutely nothing to see here.

 

I doubt the ban was meant to be a PR move but one does wonder if not admitting the truth for like a day was for the PR.

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No. Read the article yourself. The previously cited sex scene didn't show genetelia which appears to be what actually violates the rules in this case.

Perhaps you didn't really look?
I see male genitalia in this image from issue #4 (linked in article above [with it's "Warning: links to illustrated sexual content"
])
https://twitter.com/mattfraction/status/321718975543246848/photo/1

Now you can get upset at comixology.
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I love that after this was the frontpage story on theVerge for an entire day, it suddenly dissapeared after the update, and I can't even find it in a search. Pretty disgusting. Hey, they got all the click views, so no point in bringing the real story to anyone's attention anymore. Might as well hide it. 

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I love that after this was the frontpage story on theVerge for an entire day, it suddenly dissapeared after the update, and I can't even find it in a search. Pretty disgusting. Hey, they got all the click views, so no point in bringing the real story to anyone's attention anymore. Might as well hide it. 

 

I used to read the Verge sometimes, but not anymore. It's not even about tech, they're adding too much garbage, including political nonsense and other stories that have very little to do with tech.

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There's absolutely nothing "odd" about this. Apple explicitly states in their guidelines that they have different policies on media (TV/movies/books/music) and apps. You can't set policy with such a broad stroke on absolutely all types of digital content. 

 

What's the difference between a comic and a movie? They're both media, even if one is delivered through the app store. Why protect kids from one but not the other? Some of the content in the iTunes movie store is far more explicit anyway.

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Your right, I couldn't stand Martin Luthor Kings whining either, who needs equality, its not promised in our constitiution or anything...

/S if actually needed

Please leave Dr. King out your Gay Rights agenda. His struggles at the time was for equality for his race. Last I checked the history of his marches didn't include gay pride. By the way check the spelling of his name next time you speak for him.
Edited by mrdowntown - 4/10/13 at 12:44pm
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I love that after this was the frontpage story on theVerge for an entire day, it suddenly dissapeared after the update, and I can't even find it in a search. Pretty disgusting. Hey, they got all the click views, so no point in bringing the real story to anyone's attention anymore. Might as well hide it. 
Seriously? I think I need to quit that site. Sad thing is there are fewer and fewer tech sites that are any good thee days.
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Gays shouldn't even be allowed to own Apple devices.

 

Even if a joke, that's especially ironic, considering that Tim Cook is often written up in LBGT magazines as the top gay CEO in the USA.  (Something he has neither confirmed or denied.)

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I love that after this was the frontpage story on theVerge for an entire day, it suddenly dissapeared after the update, and I can't even find it in a search. Pretty disgusting. Hey, they got all the click views, so no point in bringing the real story to anyone's attention anymore. Might as well hide it. 

Huh?

It's still there, and updated too.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/9/4206342/apple-bans-brian-k-vaughan-saga-from-comixology-over-sexual-content

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

I love that after this was the frontpage story on theVerge for an entire day, it suddenly dissapeared after the update, and I can't even find it in a search. Pretty disgusting. Hey, they got all the click views, so no point in bringing the real story to anyone's attention anymore. Might as well hide it. 

I am not a big fan of The  Verge -- they try a bit too hard to be hip, and comments are nothing more than a torrent of each one trying to out-do the other in their one-liner hipness -- but searching in Google found this: "http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/9/4206342/apple-bans-brian-k-vaughan-saga-from-comixology-over-sexual-content".

 

Add: I did notice, however, that a comment posted in April 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM (EST) was spot on! ;-)


Edited by anantksundaram - 4/10/13 at 12:59pm
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"Brain science" is actually ranked slightly lower than either "rocket science" or "brain surgery" (you don't even have to have a master's degree to do "brain science!")

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post #76 of 146

The only censorship I'm concerned about is government censorship.

 

Businesses should be allowed to determine for themselves what products/services/content they will and will not sell. Apple doesn't sell the content you want? I guarantee you another company does.

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post #77 of 146
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What's the difference between a comic and a movie? They're both media, even if one is delivered through the app store. Why protect kids from one but not the other? Some of the content in the iTunes movie store is far more explicit anyway.

There is no difference. However there is a diff btw an App and regular iTunes media.
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The only censorship I'm concerned about is government censorship.

 

Businesses should be allowed to determine for themselves what products/services/content they will and will not sell. Apple doesn't sell the content you want? I guarantee you another company does.

 

 

What a horribly immoral point of view!  

 

I bet you idolise Ayn Rand as well.  1smile.gif

 

Censorship of any kind is pretty much always wrong and usually damaging.  IMO the only reason to support censorship, is if the thing being censored is actually causing some kind of actual harm to someone somewhere.  Unfortunately, almost everything ever censored in the history of civilisation fails to pass this simple test.  

 

The vast majority of things that are censored, are censored for religious reasons.  Since religion is intangible, completely illogical, and based in a sort of "magical thinking" that human society can really do without, (and in fact causes far more harm than good) ... perhaps we should censor Religion instead?     1smile.gif

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"Brain science" is actually ranked slightly lower than either "rocket science" or "brain surgery" (you don't even have to have a master's degree to do "brain science!")

No, it's not.

 

You don't need a master's degree either to do brain surgery, btw.

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Please leave Dr. King out your Gay Rights agenda. His struggles at the time was for equality for his race. Last I checked the history of his marches didn't include gay pride. By the way check the spelling of his name next time you speak for him.

Fighting equal rights is fighting for equal rights, whether the distinction in question is race, gender or sexual orientation.

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