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This will be a very costly manhunt.  Surprised the GOP isn't already blabbing about what to cut in order to pay for it.


Edited by Bergermeister - 4/20/13 at 12:09am

 

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post #162 of 255
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This will be a very costly manhunt.  Surprised the GOP isn't already blabbing about what to cut in order to pay for it.

 

And what would be the problem if they were?

 

They aren't elected to spout platitudes and play golf. They are the elected representatives who are charged with minding the public purse. At least one side takes budgeting seriously.

 

If Democrats took that job more seriously, that could only be a good thing for the U.S., and the world.

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post #163 of 255

Boston responds to the great Republican from Arkansas who tweeted that many liberals in Boston were probably wishing they had AR-15s.

 

http://www.boston.com/ae/radio/blog/2013/04/why_are_so_many_bostonians_telling_arkansas_state_senator_nate_bell_hes_an_idiot.html

 

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post #164 of 255

What do expect from that state he represents  a lot of intelligence.Gimme a break Arkansas!
 

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post #166 of 255
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This will be a very costly manhunt.  Surprised the GOP isn't already blabbing about what to cut in order to pay for it.

 

They were waiting for the Democrats to start demonizing who needs their taxes raised again due to them still not "paying their fair share."

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post #167 of 255

Republican suggests torturing the suspect, an American citizen:

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/greg-ball-torture_n_3122524.html

 

Graham suggested military court... for an American citizen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-terrorists-and-the-constitution-20130419,0,2505232.column


Edited by Bergermeister - 4/20/13 at 8:17am

 

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Republican suggests torturing the suspect, an American citizen:

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/greg-ball-torture_n_3122524.html

 

Graham suggested military court... for an American citizen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-terrorists-and-the-constitution-20130419,0,2505232.column

 

That's okay. He's in perfect alignment with the top Democrats of the land who claim the authority to murder American citizens without trial or due process. So it's all one big happy, immoral family.

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Republican suggests torturing the suspect, an American citizen:

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/greg-ball-torture_n_3122524.html

 

Graham suggested military court... for an American citizen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-terrorists-and-the-constitution-20130419,0,2505232.column

Re. the Republican who suggested torture:

 

1. Torture is not a partisan issue

2. Waterboarding is torture

3. Torture decreases our national security

4. Torture can not break hardened terrorists

5. Torture is not necessary even in a “ticking time bomb” situation

6. The specific type of torture used by the U.S. was never aimed at producing actionable intelligence … but was instead aimed at producing false confessions

7. Torture did not help to get Bin Laden

8. Torture did not provide valuable details regarding 9/11

9. Many innocent people have been tortured, and still are

10. America still allows torture 

 

So, why does the United States government still torture people, who have not been found guilty?

 

 

Re. the Congressman who suggested a military trial: "evidence" obtained via torturing a prisoner is NOT permitted in a real US court of law, hence the need to try prisoners who have been tortured in a military "tribunal". Such kangaroo "courts" only have two purposes:

 

1. Arrive at a "guilty of all charges" verdict without having to put up with hard evidence that is contrary to the prosecution's position.

2. Using the secret nature  of these "trials" to preserve the liberty/status of well connected people/senior officials who might have done anything from dereliction of duty/criminal negligence to even being actively involved in terrorism, and justify the secrecy by invoking the "national security" etc. weasel words.

 

Regarding the authoritarians amongst us: they often to invoke the phrase, when it comes to supporting increased government power: "if you've got nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about".

 

That concept works both ways....

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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post #170 of 255
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Another near one- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16974273

 

 

"Nine men who plotted to bomb the London Stock Exchange and build a terrorist training camp have been jailed.

Three of the men, Usman Khan, Mohammed Shahjahan and Nazam Hussain, received indeterminate sentences for public protection at London's Woolwich Crown Court.

The court heard they had planned to raise funds for a terrorist camp in Pakistan, and recruit Britons to attend.

The nine come from Stoke-on-Trent, Cardiff and London."

 

Here's a bombing of a social security office in Arizona- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PHwZaoJhvfw#!

 

More US bombings. This time three suicide bombers in the New York subway-

"An American citizen was convicted of a host of terrorism charges on Tuesday for participating in a plot to stage suicide attacks in the New York subways, an effort that prosecutors said was stopped just days before three former high school classmates from Queens planned to set off homemade bombs during the rush period.

The plot began after the defendant, Adis Medunjanin, a naturalized citizen born in Bosnia, went to Pakistan with two friends from high school with the intention of fighting American troops in Afghanistan. The two friends testifiedthat they were instead recruited to attend a Qaeda training camp, where they were told they would be far more valuable to their cause by returning to the United States to carry out an act of terrorism."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/nyregion/terror-defendant-convicted-in-plot-to-bomb-new-york-subways.html?_r=0

 

US Capitol bombing-

"Amine El Khalifi (Arabicأمين محمد الخليفي‎; born c. 1983) is a Moroccan man who was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for allegedly plotting to carry out a suicide bombing on the United States Capitol.[1] He has been charged with "attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction against federal property" and if convicted, faces life in prison.[

"On June 22, 2012, El Khalifi pleaded guilty in federal court in the Eastern District of Virginia of trying to carry out a suicide bomb attack on the U.S. Capitol Building in February 2012 as part of what he intended to be a terrorist operation and was sentenced to 30 years in prison the following September.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amine_El_Khalifi

 

Whilst I'm at it, here's one where they try and blow up JFK Airport in New York-

 

"An Imam has been sentenced to life in prison for joining a failed plot to firebomb John F. Kennedy Airport in 2007 by blowing up jet fuel supplies with the help of a notorious al-Qaida explosives expert."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086981/Imam-Kareem-Ibrahim-sentenced-life-prison-JFK-Airport-terror-plot.html

 

I've been to all the above places, except Arizona. Luckily they all failed and are all behind bars.

 

Seattle- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8PqJvWNx7dQ

 

Remember the Danish cartoon Muslim rage? I bet you don't remember this- 

 

"Police in Denmark and Sweden halted an imminent terrorist attack yesterday by arresting five men who planned to shoot as many people as possible in a building housing the newsroom of a paper that published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, officials said.

 

Denmark’s intelligence service said that after months of surveillance it arrested four men in two raids in suburbs of the capital, Copenhagen, and seized a submachine gun, a silencer, and ammunition. Swedish police said they arrested a 37-year-old Swedish citizen of Tunisian origin living in Stockholm.

 

“An imminent terror attack has been foiled,’’ said Jakob Scharf, head of the Danish Security and Intelligence Service. He described some of the suspects as “militant Islamists with relations to international terror networks’’ and said more arrests were possible."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2010/12/30/five_arrested_in_plot_to_attack_over_cartoons/


Edited by Hands Sandon - 4/20/13 at 5:22pm
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Another near one- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16974273

 

 

"Nine men who plotted to bomb the London Stock Exchange and build a terrorist training camp have been jailed.

  ~~~~~ etc etc blah blah f***ing blah.....  ~~~~~~

“An imminent terror attack has been foiled,’’ said Jakob Scharf, head of the Danish Security and Intelligence Service. He described some of the suspects as “militant Islamists with relations to international terror networks’’ and said more arrests were possible."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2010/12/30/five_arrested_in_plot_to_attack_over_cartoons/

Why don' t you just cut to the chase and tell everyone "I hate Muslims" and be done with it?

 

Many of the cases you quote probably happened like THIS, or THIS  or THIS.....

 

Here's where your Islamophobia stands, according to FBI statistics. "All terrorists are Muslim, except the 94% who are not". Even the Champions of Weaselry admit that the threat is heavily exaggerated. I realize the FBI is infested by a bunch of fucking liars and  terror-mongers in senior positions ...but if they are going to release statistics on terrorism and have a vested interest in  smearing that demographic...then 4% is one paltry proportion upon which to base national policy regarding wholesale targeting of civilians, and engaging in wars overseas. Of course, the corporate media is largely owned by parent companies whose boards of directors sit *perhaps approaching ZERO* Muslims, but instead, many who despise them.

 

Media policy is directed from the top (and what is acceptable to their advertising sponsors), not by idealistic journalists, and Americans are NOT going to get a fair and balanced story as regards who commits terrorism and what represents the greatest threat. This state of indoctrination of the US people as regards distrusting/despising/not respecting etc etc Islamic people/Arabs/Persians etc,   has been ongoing since the last 1940s, and has been documented exhaustive here, for one example. How Hollywood vilifies a people. Who tends to own the entertainment and media industry? (alongside the CIA of course)???????????

 

It's hardly a wonder that its now so easy to sell Islamophobia to willing Americans... remember how easily everyone bought the story that Oklahoma City, Norway, Madrid, Moscow etc... until it was proved that others were the likely perps, and the media got egg on their faces? Packaging 9/11 in the way they did was also an easy sell ...because that is what almost all of us *WANTED* to believe.


Edited by sammi jo - 4/20/13 at 6:17pm
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post #172 of 255
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Why don' t you just cut to the chase and tell everyone "I hate Muslims" and be done with it?

 

Haha, that is ridiculous. Hands Sandson and I are probably complete political opposites, but being aware of the ever growing and deadly Islamic terrorist threat is hardly being "Islamophobic". lol.gif That makes as much sense as calling somebody "Naziphobic" in World War II, if somebody was against Hitler.

 

But you're the person who thinks that 9/11 wasn't even committed by Muslim terrorists, so I suppose that it makes little sense to have any discussion. 

 

By the way, the Boston terrorists and their mother agree with you, they were also 9/11 truthers.

post #173 of 255

If this suspect is held as an enemy combatant as the Repubs desire, will they call for the same treatment of the next Tim McVeigh?  Or does the application of their "logic" apply only to people who may be Muslim?

 

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post #174 of 255

Graham is right. Give him the death penalty period. he is a traitor to the U.S.
 

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Why don' t you just cut to the chase and tell everyone "I hate Muslims" and be done with it?

 

Many of the cases you quote probably happened like THIS, or THIS  or THIS.....

 

Here's where your Islamophobia stands, according to FBI statistics. "All terrorists are Muslim, except the 94% who are not". Even the Champions of Weaselry admit that the threat is heavily exaggerated. I realize the FBI is infested by a bunch of fucking liars and  terror-mongers in senior positions ...but if they are going to release statistics on terrorism and have a vested interest in  smearing that demographic...then 4% is one paltry proportion upon which to base national policy regarding wholesale targeting of civilians, and engaging in wars overseas. Of course, the corporate media is largely owned by parent companies whose boards of directors sit *perhaps approaching ZERO* Muslims, but instead, many who despise them.

 

Media policy is directed from the top (and what is acceptable to their advertising sponsors), not by idealistic journalists, and Americans are NOT going to get a fair and balanced story as regards who commits terrorism and what represents the greatest threat. This state of indoctrination of the US people as regards distrusting/despising/not respecting etc etc Islamic people/Arabs/Persians etc,   has been ongoing since the last 1940s, and has been documented exhaustive here, for one example. How Hollywood vilifies a people. Who tends to own the entertainment and media industry? (alongside the CIA of course)???????????

 

It's hardly a wonder that its now so easy to sell Islamophobia to willing Americans... remember how easily everyone bought the story that Oklahoma City, Norway, Madrid, Moscow etc... until it was proved that others were the likely perps, and the media got egg on their faces? Packaging 9/11 in the way they did was also an easy sell ...because that is what almost all of us *WANTED* to believe.

I find it truly appalling that you value the lives of the thousands of US victims of these atrocious terrorist acts so little, that you call anyone who tries to inform people about them, a racist/religious bigot. Have you NO SHAME AT ALL? You clearly don't. You'd rather try and silence an informed debate with the most lame excuses and irrational conspiracy theories. This is a personal jihad for you, I know. As soon as this latest attack happened you were screaming "The government did it", whilst people were still being rushed to hospital. Well your crystal ball has been truly shattered and your extremist views exposed for what they are: a hate filled ideology that seeks to misinform and minimise the worst acts of terrorism so we look the other way. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY, WE ARE GOING TO CARRY ON GOING AFTER THE ACTUAL PERPE"TRAITORS".


Edited by Hands Sandon - 4/21/13 at 5:37am
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post #176 of 255

It would seem some Americans need to learn some basic world knowledge.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/20/tech/czech-republic-chechnya/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

Czech

 

Chechnya

 

Confusion

 

 

Don't ask Fox to help, as they have had plenty of problems in the past.

 

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post #177 of 255

The GOP is starting an attack on the FBI: they "dropped the ball".  [Did we hear anything like that after 9/11?  No, becaue we got a beloved war.]

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/21/tamerlan-tsarnaev-fbi_n_3127284.html

 

Graham is suggesting changes for more ways to follow people, reducing their freedoms.

 

Same guy doesn't support background checks for gun purchases, and opposes big gubbament.

 

Seriously.


Edited by Bergermeister - 4/21/13 at 8:49am

 

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The GOP is starting an attack on the FBI: they "dropped the ball".

 

The other hypocrisies and calls for expanded police-state aside, this claim might actually be true. There have been some reports they actually had this guy under what sounds like fairly close surveillance for like 3 years. So the "dropped the ball" charge might have some validity.

 

Still, it's actually good to see the police state starting to turn on itself. Maybe it will destroy itself this way.


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Welcome to U.S.A.: The Police State.

It's no big deal.

 

It's taking place under Obama's U.S.A., so everything is cool.1smoking.gif

 

What happened to all of those anti-war protests by the way?lol.gif

 

And what about all of those poor, unfortunate, innocent people on a hunger strike at Gitmo, currently starving themselves to the bone? lol.gif

 

That place is still open?lol.gif

 

Didn't somebody promise to close that place in 2008.lol.gif

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Welcome to U.S.A.: The Police State.

MJ's utopian America-

 

Knock, knock.

 

Who's there?

 

It's the police?

 

What do you want?

 

Please open the door so we can speak to you.

 

Ok, what is it?

 

We're very sorry to bother you but we have concerns that a man with bombs strapped to him that's heavily armed and has tried to kill somewhere in the region of 100 people may be hiding in your home, even threatening your lives. May we come in to make sure all is fine here.

 

Sorry officer, I'm in the middle of something and this is my private property, can you come back tomorrow, maybe around 6.30pm ish?

 

Of course we can sir. See you then, and so sorry to bother you. Have a wonderful evening.

 

You too, officer.


Edited by Hands Sandon - 4/21/13 at 6:33pm
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post #182 of 255
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Rightly we hear about atrocious stories like the man dragged by bigots behind a truck till he died, because he was gay. 

 

Here's another terrible story. Two Christians in New Jersey have their hands and heads cut off by a muslim-

 

 

"A Muslim man is behind bars tonight and is facing murder and desecration charges after beheading two Egyptian Christians and cutting off their hands.

Reports state that 28-year-old Yusuf Ibrahim of Jersey City killed 25-year-old Hanny F. Tawadros and 27-year-old Amgad A. Konds earlier this month by shooting them in the chest at close range. He then beheaded the men and chopped off their hands, and took off with the car belonging to one of his victims.

The killing evokes this passage in the Quran: ‘When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’” she said. “The victims were Coptic Christians and the murderer was Muslim, and we are painfully aware of the status and treatment of Coptic Christians under Muslim rule in Egypt.”"

http://christiannews.net/2013/02/20/muslim-who-beheaded-christians-in-new-jersey-charged-with-murder-desecrating-human-remains/


Edited by Hands Sandon - 4/21/13 at 7:44pm
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MJ's utopian America-

 

Knock, knock.

 

Who's there?

 

It's the police?

 

What do you want?

 

Please open the door so we can speak to you.

 

Ok, what is it?

 

We're very sorry to bother you but we have concerns that a man with bombs strapped to him that's heavily armed and has tried to kill somewhere in the region of 100 people may be hiding in your home, even threatening your lives. May we come in to make sure all is fine here.

 

Sorry officer, I'm in the middle of something and this is my private property, can you come back tomorrow, maybe around 6.30pm ish?

 

Of course we can sir. See you then, and so sorry to bother you. Have a wonderful evening.

 

You too, officer.

 

HS's Utopian America: Dismiss the constitution, general liberty and the infringement of people's rights with with a cute quip.

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Amazing job the UK police are doing to prevent further atrocities-

 

 

"Police are foiling a terrorism plot as big as the 7 July attacks every year, a senior officer has said.

 

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Osborne added that the threats against the UK were constantly changing.

Mr Osborne, senior national co-ordinator for counter-terrorism, said Islamic extremists were planning in smaller groups to avoid detection.

It came as the Home Office revealed the number of terror arrests had risen by 60% in the year to September 2012.

Four suicide bombers killed 52 people and injured more than 700 on London's public transport system on 7 July 2005.

The co-ordinated attack was linked to al-Qaeda."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

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HS's Utopian America: Dismiss the constitution, general liberty and the infringement of people's rights with with a cute quip.

Given what was happening, don't you think those cops were doing their upmost to just protect people the best they knew how? Do you really have to throw the book at them under those circumstances, even when you don't know what exactly was happening. Jumping to the worst conclusions just to make a political point strikes me as pretty sad given what they were trying to do at the time.

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Given what was happening, don't you think those cops were doing their upmost to just protect people the best they knew how?

 

Very likely. That doesn't make it right.

 

 

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Jumping to the worst conclusions just to make a political point strikes me as pretty sad given what they were trying to do at the time.

 

Are you deliberately trying to be ironic?

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Are you deliberately trying to be ironic?

 Sorry, I don't understand why you'd think that. Please explain.

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 Sorry, I don't understand why you'd think that. Please explain.

 

Because you are a pro at "jumping to the worst conclusions just to make a political point." Therefore it is ironic that you would accuse me of do so.

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Because you are a pro at "jumping to the worst conclusions just to make a political point." Therefore it is ironic that you would accuse me of do so.

Oh, I like it. Very good! Took me by surprise with that one!

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It's no big deal.

 

It's taking place under Obama's U.S.A., so everything is cool.1smoking.gif

 

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

 

What happened to all of those anti-war protests by the way?lol.gif

 

 

No point in simple verbal protest, when those who end up elected on the pretense of "hope"™ and "change"™  end up sticking a bit fat middle finger at the electorate and continuing/expanding the same anti-American policy set that the neoconazi trash that came before were dishing out. Mere protest in the current climate is a waste of time and effort, and it seems that people are beginning to get that picture. In a healthy society, protest works as a 'heatsink' - by expressing discontent; the people, via the issue of choice (Tea Party, "pro life", end the Fed, anti-war, anti-pollution, etc. etc.)  open a safety valve and let off steam - such helps maintains the peace. When the people observe that peaceful protest falls on deaf ears, beware.... alternative actions are then appropriate.

 

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their Constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln.

 

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And what about all of those poor, unfortunate, innocent people on a hunger strike at Gitmo, currently starving themselves to the bone? lol.gif

 

 

What about 'em? In 11 years, a tiny handful of the 1000+ people locked up in the Black Hole of the Caribbean have been convicted of a crime - Australian David Hicks for example, who got busted for immigration violations, served a short sentence and was then deported. And don't forget - the people in Gitmo have not been found guilty of anything. In our system, prisoners are assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty in a REAL court of law. In Gitmo,  *ALL* these people have been tortured , and "evidence" obtained by those means is not allowed in a real US court... everyone knows that torture is only a means of revenge - the domain of psychopaths and thugs - and does NOTHING to help national security or provide useful or actionable intelligence. The kind of people who support torture do not belong on this planet.

 

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That place is still open?lol.gif

 

 

Of course it is. As are all the other CIA extraordinary rendition centers in nations with thugs and dictators in office.

 

Look who is president. A guy without a backbone who jerks his knees and comes to heel whenever his masters yells a command.

 

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Didn't somebody promise to close that place in 2008.lol.gif

 

Promise? Close? The weasels in the White House, like their equally cowardly predecessors, and their bankster buddies etc. etc. are on the same page: Let's Screw America, and get rich in the process.


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Rightly we hear about atrocious stories like the man dragged by bigots behind a truck till he died, because he was gay. 

 

Here's another terrible story. Two Christians in New Jersey have their hands and heads cut off by a muslim-

 

http://christiannews.net/2013/02/20/muslim-who-beheaded-christians-in-new-jersey-charged-with-murder-desecrating-human-remains/

 

The fact that you had to rely on a site called christiannews.net to find this out makes the claim dubious. Unless you can find a reliable source for this then it's likely it never happened.

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The fact that you had to rely on a site called christiannews.net to find this out makes the claim dubious. Unless you can find a reliable source for this then it's likely it never happened.

 

That really didn't take long.

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post #193 of 255

According to the police, and the media, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot and killed in a "shootout with police".

 

Here's the video of a man who looks exactly like Tamerlan Tsarnaev, stripped naked by police, in custody, handcuffed, having already arrested by police before being bundled into a police car. The man in the video has been "100% positively identified by Tamerlan's aunt", who, in Dan Dicks' piece, was ordered by the authorities in no uncertain terms "do NOT talk to the media". This woman spoke with Dan Dicks for half an hour on the phone, but she was too terrified to exit her apartment because she thought (Dan Dicks) might not be who he claimed to be -  her fear is easy to understand.

 

Comparing photos, with the man in the video, he has the same body type, hair style, nose, sideburns and the face looks *very* alike. There was a story put out by police and broadcast on the mainstream weasel-media that "a man had been arrested and stripped naked to make sure he wasn't carrying explosives". If that person was *not* Tamerlan, then who was he? Can anyone provide an explanation, with some modicum of *proof* that the man in the video is someone else?

 

If the police/media story of Tamerlan's death is true, then he must have been killed while in police custody *after* his arrest. But of course that kind of thing never happens in America does it? 1rolleyes.gif


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I haven't followed the thread, but I'd be interested on where people stand on charging suspect 2 vs. designating him an enemy combatant. Given that he's a US citizen captured on US soil engaged in attacking civilians, I think he needs to go through the normal criminal justice system. If he was captured overseas in the act of engaging our armed forces, or was a clearly an operative of another government, that would be different. I also think an exception might be made if we beloved he had information regarding an imminent attack. None of that is true from my understanding.
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 If that person was *not* Tamerlan, then who was he?

 

If the police/media story of Tamerlan's death is true, then he must have been killed while in police custody *after* his arrest. But of course that kind of thing never happens in America does it? 1rolleyes.gif

 

The person who was lying on the ground and stripped, was just some unlucky guy who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. The police were obviously not taking any chances with two Islamic Terrorist lunatics on the loose.

 

As for the terrorist named Tamerlan, he was on the ground and being handcuffed by police, when his brother took off in a car and ran over Tamerlan, dragging his body for a while. His brother actually killed him. lol.gif Pictures of his dead body can be found online. 1smoking.gif

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I haven't followed the thread, but I'd be interested on where people stand on charging suspect 2 vs. designating him an enemy combatant. Given that he's a US citizen captured on US soil engaged in attacking civilians, I think he needs to go through the normal criminal justice system.

 

I think it is pretty cut-and-dried. He's not an "enemy combatant." This is an American citizen who (allegedly) committed a crime.

 

The "enemy combatant" approach is a weasel tactic to do whatever they want with this guy outside of the standard criminal justice system. Any suggestion the "enemy combatant" approach should be ashamed of themselves for even thinking it and possibly impeached (if they're an elected official) for actually actively pursuing it.

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Feinstein: claiming him as an enemy combatant would be unconstitutional.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/21/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-enemy-combatant_n_3127483.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

McCain

Graham

Ayotte

King

 

- - - - -

 

Dzohkhar Tsarnaev was CHARGED today:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/dzohkhar-tsarnaev-charged-boston-bombings_n_3132957.html

 

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You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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More muslim terrorists caught before they derail a passenger train in Toronto- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22258191

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I think it is pretty cut-and-dried. He's not an "enemy combatant." This is an American citizen who (allegedly) committed a crime.

 

The "enemy combatant" approach is a weasel tactic to do whatever they want with this guy outside of the standard criminal justice system. Any suggestion the "enemy combatant" approach should be ashamed of themselves for even thinking it and possibly impeached (if they're an elected official) for actually actively pursuing it.

I thought they already passed this through the NDAA. I know it's being held up in court though. Maybe that's why it's going through the criminal courts. I can understand that sources are extremely valuable and other information, to intelligence services, but I think too they should go through the criminal courts. Perhaps with extra safeguards put into place to prevent sensitive material being disclosed. Isn't it the case already that any non US citizen can be rounded up by the US and held without trial for the rest of their lives? I think that is the case so long as there's suspicion of involvement with terrorism. That can mean as little as some guy in the nearby village saying you're one, as was the case with many Gitmo prisoners. I don't see US citizens too alarmed unless it's their own rights that are being trampled on. If you're not a US citizen, US citizens seem more than happy to look the other way.

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Isn't it the case already that any non US citizen can be rounded up by the US and held without trial for the rest of their lives? I think that is the case so long as there's suspicion of involvement with terrorism. That can mean as little as some guy in the nearby village saying you're one, as was the case with many Gitmo prisoners.

 

That's the rumor, yeah.

 

 

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I don't see US citizens too alarmed unless it's their own rights that are being trampled on. If you're not a US citizen, US citizens seem more than happy to look the other way.

 

Yep. Pretty much.

 

 

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and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
 
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
 
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
 
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
 
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.
 
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

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