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Pretty sure Obama won the last two elections.

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That's the rumor, yeah.

 

 

 

Yep. Pretty much.

The UK won't allow indefinite detention. Says it wrong. No lawyer, no trial...the rest of your life locked up. Seems pretty obvious! Given the US originally introduced it to include US citizens, my guess is that they'll re-word it in some way and get it back in at some point. Then extending it to more people outside of the muslim terror networks that are the only groups at the moment that legally qualify. Most likely to any terrorists. The right wing extremists are most likely to be the first group. Where it goes from there, who knows? It could have serious impact on free speech and donating money to a cause is considered legitimate grounds for imposing the law. 

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The UK won't allow indefinite detention.

 

Good for them. However, at least in London, everyone's is under such constant surveillance that it probably doesn't matter so much.

 

 

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Given the US originally introduced it to include US citizens, my guess is that they'll re-word it in some way and get it back in at some point. Then extending it to more people outside of the muslim terror networks that are the only groups at the moment that legally qualify. Most likely to any terrorists. The right wing extremists are most likely to be the first group. Where it goes from there, who knows? It could have serious impact on free speech and donating money to a cause is considered legitimate grounds for imposing the law. 

 

Yep, that's how it will unfold. Today it might be right wing "extremists" (however vaguely that's defined combined with the line of what it is "extreme" moving whenever required) and for the next regime it is someone else.

 

Liberty ends not with a bang but with a whimper.

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Suspect has been read his miranda rights.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-miranda_n_3134745.html

 

 

Glad to see that we didn't stoop to the GOP level on this and actually operated at a level higher than the bombers.

 

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How would the American citizens responded if the police had used a drone attack to end the situation as would be the case in several other countries?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/drone-strike-watertown_n_3135229.html

 

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post #206 of 255

Bloomberg Says Interpretation of Constitution Will ‘Have to Change’ After Boston Bombing:

 

 

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“Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11,” he said.

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Bloomberg Says Interpretation of Constitution Will ‘Have to Change’ After Boston Bombing:

 

 

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“Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11,” he said.

 

Thank goodness no one is trying to use this horrible event for political gain.........oh.............wait...............

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I think it is pretty cut-and-dried. He's not an "enemy combatant." This is an American citizen who (allegedly) committed a crime.

 

The "enemy combatant" approach is a weasel tactic to do whatever they want with this guy outside of the standard criminal justice system. Any suggestion the "enemy combatant" approach should be ashamed of themselves for even thinking it and possibly impeached (if they're an elected official) for actually actively pursuing it.

 

He was charged under the criminal justice system, which I think was the right call.  As you note, he's an American citizen.  Moreover, he was captured on U.S. soil and is suspected of attacking civilians.   I do think it would be different if he was proven to be a representative of a foreign government, or if he was captured in act of taking up arms against our military.  I think designating him as an enemy combatant would be appropriate in that case, or perhaps if we legitimately believed there was an imminent attack.  

 

I do disagree with the second part.  It's at least a legitimate debate to have.  On the other side of the argument, we are at war with radical Islam.  These brothers are pretty clearly tied to that movement.  This man may have critical information regarding further attacks and other terrorists, information that could be vital to the safety of the public.   In my view, the arguments for treating him as a criminal with rights as outlined under the Constitution outweigh these arguments.  But to suggest it shouldn't even be proposed and that any who do should be impeached?  I disagree with that entirely.  

 

 

 

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Feinstein: claiming him as an enemy combatant would be unconstitutional.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/21/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-enemy-combatant_n_3127483.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

McCain

Graham

Ayotte

King

 

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Dzohkhar Tsarnaev was CHARGED today:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/dzohkhar-tsarnaev-charged-boston-bombings_n_3132957.html

 

I really don't understand McCain and Graham on this.  Weren't they strong opponents enhanced interrogation techniques (what they deemed "torture")?   

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I do disagree with the second part.  It's at least a legitimate debate to have.

 

Not once it had been determined he was a U.S. citizen (which was actually fairly early in this case.) In my view the debate ended at that point.

 

 

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On the other side of the argument, we are at war with radical Islam.

 

We are? Perhaps they are trying to start a war with the US. But that seems like a fairly broad and vague statement straight off of a Rush Limbaugh broadcast.

 

 

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This man may have critical information regarding further attacks and other terrorists, information that could be vital to the safety of the public.   In my view, the arguments for treating him as a criminal with rights as outlined under the Constitution outweigh these arguments.

 

Possibly, but there are tools within the criminal justice system to work through that.

 

 

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But to suggest it shouldn't even be proposed and that any who do should be impeached?  I disagree with that entirely. 

 

You'll note that I specifically stated any elected official that actively pursued it. The reason I say it is because it would be in direct contradiction to the oath they took to uphold the constitution*.

 

 

*Of course, by that standard, about 90% of them should be impeached anyway.

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Seriously:

 

GOP state representative thinks the attack was a government plot.  Aligns with Glen Beck and Alex Jones.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/stella-tremblay-boston-bombing_n_3140461.html

 

Graham continues his crusade against Islam and Chechnya.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/lindsey-graham-enemy-combatant_n_3140078.html

 

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits

 

 

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Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.
 
State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.
 
In addition, both of Tsarnaev’s parents received benefits, and accused brother bombers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan were recipients through their parents when they were younger, according to the state.
 
The news raises questions over whether Tsarnaev financed his radicalization on taxpayer money.

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits

 

 

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Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.
 
State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.
 
In addition, both of Tsarnaev’s parents received benefits, and accused brother bombers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan were recipients through their parents when they were younger, according to the state.
 
The news raises questions over whether Tsarnaev financed his radicalization on taxpayer money.

 

So per our leftist members on this forum, this wasn't even a terrorist attack. It was merely class warfare.

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And there are littles things like pizza... and BBQ

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/04/24/hospitals-exchange-bbq-pizza-after-disasters-in-boston-waco/

 

 

Boston doc sends pizza to docs in West, Texas

 

Restaurant in Texas gives BBQ

 

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And there are littles things like pizza... and BBQ

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/04/24/hospitals-exchange-bbq-pizza-after-disasters-in-boston-waco/

 

 

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Restaurant in Texas gives BBQ

 

Nice!

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"Islamist extremists who have flocked to Syria to fight with groups linked to al-Qaeda pose a direct threat to Britain because they will return to plot attacks at home, William Hague, the Foreign Secretary has said.

 

Mr Hague said there was now “uncontested space” in Syria where Islamist groups were free to establish training camps that would equip and train foreign fighters, including British extremists.

 

Sir Mark Lyall Grant, Britain’s UN ambassador, warned that Syria was collapsing so fast that 10 million people, almost half the population, would be dependent on foreign aid for food and shelter by the end of the year.

Separately, Pope Francis appealed for the freedom of two Syrian bishops kidnapped on Monday while driving to the city from the Turkish border.

Aleppo’s Greek Orthodox Bishop Boulos Yaziji and Syriac Orthodox Bishop Yohanna Ibrahim are thought to have been taken by an Islamist group."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10016310/William-Hague-warns-of-threat-to-Britain-from-Syria-fighters.html

 

Today on the interwebs if you search hard enough-

 

Richard Dart, Imran Mahmood and Jahanfir Alom

 

"Three Britons who travelled to Pakistan for terrorist training had discussed making homemade bombs and using them in the UK, a court has heard.

Richard Dart, Jahangir Alom and Imran Mahmood pleaded guilty last month to conduct in preparation of terror acts.

Mahmood was found to have traces of explosives in his baggage when he returned to the UK through Manchester Airport in 2011, the Old Bailey heard.

He and Dart had discussed UK targets, including Wootton Bassett.

The Wiltshire town was where the bodies of troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan passed through."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22277850

 

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I'm not sure if this is really showing any respect at all-

 

 

"A local news outlet is reporting that the home-goods retailer, Williams-Sonoma has pulled pressure cookers from their shelves in the aftermath of the Boston attack.

According to the Dedham Patch, Williams-Sonoma has pulled pressure cookers off the shelves out of respect for the victims of the Boston Marathon bombing.

Kent, a store manager of the Williams-Sonoma at the Natick Mall says:

"It's a temporary thing out of respect."

Authorities have confirmed that pressure cookers were used by the two men who planned and carried out the bombing at the Boston Marathon last Monday.

Williams-Sonoma says that the product will still be available online."

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/williams-sonoma-pulls-pressure-cookers-shelves-out-respect

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So per our leftist members on this forum, this wasn't even a terrorist attack. It was merely class warfare.

You hero, Ayn Rand, the self-styled Queen of Laissez Faire, was a recipient of welfare benefits (and tried to hide it). She took advantage of the welfare state while promoting her ideal "social Darwinist" society of law-of-the-jungle style capitalism. Her books are delusional, not exactly unexpected when the author was a 30-year meth addict. Very good.

 

Duplicity Inc.

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This is where these three muslim's wanted to blow people up. They were sentenced today. Suspicion: British soldiers and Marines killed in Afghanistan pass along the High Street in Wootton Bassett, where the terror group was believed to be targeting

 

"Dart refused to stand when he was sentenced, saying: 'I don't wish to stand up, I believe ruling and judging is only for Allah.'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314594/Muslim-convert-Richard-Dart-refuses-stand-dock-sentenced-years-prison-terrorism-offences.html

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You hero, Ayn Rand, the self-styled Queen of Laissez Faire, was a recipient of welfare benefits (and tried to hide it). She took advantage of the welfare state while promoting her ideal "social Darwinist" society of law-of-the-jungle style capitalism. Her books are delusional, not exactly unexpected when the author was a 30-year meth addict. Very good.

Duplicity Inc.


The State took her money under threat of violence. Why is it hypocritical of her to try to get some of that money back?

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Funding: Irfan Nasser, Rahin Ahmed and Irfan Khalid during a bogus charity collection to help pay for the attackPlans: West Midlands Police photo of Irfan Nasser, Rahin Ahmed and Irfan Khalid at Birmingham Airport. They are part of a home-grown terror gang facing life in jail for plotting 'another 9/11'

 

The men planning another 9/11 with 8 rucksack bombs and whatever else they could, were disrupting proceedings by laughing and joking in court today. They will be sentenced soon for the rest of their lives most likely.

 

"Rahin Ahmed, 26, acted as fundraiser for the gang, who aimed to explode eight rucksack bombs and possibly other devices in crowded places in the UK.

 

Under the cover of legitimate street collections for Muslim Aid and local Islamic learning centre Madrasah-e Ashraful Uloom, he stole thousands of pounds to fund the planned attacks in 2011.

 

The 11 men, all from Birmingham, were ordered to be silent by Mr Justice Henriques at Woolwich Crown Court in south-east London and did not appear fazed by their impending prison sentences.

The men, aged from 21 to 34, whom the court heard wanted to kill up to 2,000 Britons, are expected to be sentenced on Friday - but the hearing started today because there are so many defendants."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314215/Terror-group-planning-9-11-British-soil-told-stay-quiet-laughing-joking-dock.html

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Regarding the deep discussions that ensued across the nation regarding how Suspect #2 should be dealt with after his capture, the bastion of defense of the Constitution [only one certain part of it with a "2" in it], aka Fox News, stood their ground and decimated the Constitution, something their own staff with law degrees disagreed with.

 

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-april-24-2013-bassem-youssef

 

Seriously.

 

For those who dismiss anything from the Daily Show outright, this episode includes lots of clips of actual Fox voice boxes in their own words.  Yep, primary source material in all its glory.

 

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The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
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The war on terrorism is OVER....but who are the terrorists, really?

 

Essential commentary that every American should watch

 

Absolutely 100% brilliant!!! Bravo, Bravo.

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Funding: Irfan Nasser, Rahin Ahmed and Irfan Khalid during a bogus charity collection to help pay for the attackPlans: West Midlands Police photo of Irfan Nasser, Rahin Ahmed and Irfan Khalid at Birmingham Airport. They are part of a home-grown terror gang facing life in jail for plotting 'another 9/11'

 

The men planning another 9/11 with 8 rucksack bombs and whatever else they could, were disrupting proceedings by laughing and joking in court today. They will be sentenced soon for the rest of their lives most likely.

 

"Rahin Ahmed, 26, acted as fundraiser for the gang, who aimed to explode eight rucksack bombs and possibly other devices in crowded places in the UK.

 

Under the cover of legitimate street collections for Muslim Aid and local Islamic learning centre Madrasah-e Ashraful Uloom, he stole thousands of pounds to fund the planned attacks in 2011.

 

The 11 men, all from Birmingham, were ordered to be silent by Mr Justice Henriques at Woolwich Crown Court in south-east London and did not appear fazed by their impending prison sentences.

The men, aged from 21 to 34, whom the court heard wanted to kill up to 2,000 Britons, are expected to be sentenced on Friday - but the hearing started today because there are so many defendants."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314215/Terror-group-planning-9-11-British-soil-told-stay-quiet-laughing-joking-dock.html

Hey Hands, what point are you making, and how should this be dealt with? How about we round up all the Muslims and throw them in internment camps, as we did to hundreds of thousands of law abiding Japanese American citizens? Maybe, if thats a little too lenient for some  (and it probably is), there's a large stock of old railroad cars that the powers-that-be could make use of to transport the millions of "terrorists who are out to get us", to various "facilities out in the country"  - they could rid the US of the "Muslim Problem" by following the example set by their mentor 70 years ago. And they would probably get off on it too.

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Seems Hands wants to start a new Naziism.

Jews in 1913, Muslims in 2013.
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Another nice article from Cesca.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/republicans-the-boston-ma_b_3157021.html

 

I wonder if these incessant attacks by the right on the country and the current president aren't doing more harm to the country than any of their feared terrorists could ever dream of achieving.

 

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Hey Hands, what point are you making, and how should this be dealt with? How about we round up all the Muslims and throw them in internment camps, as we did to hundreds of thousands of law abiding Japanese American citizens? Maybe, if thats a little too lenient for some  (and it probably is), there's a large stock of old railroad cars that the powers-that-be could make use of to transport the millions of "terrorists who are out to get us", to various "facilities out in the country"  - they could rid the US of the "Muslim Problem" by following the example set by their mentor 70 years ago. And they would probably get off on it too.

Have you run out of conspiracy theories? lol.gif  

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Seems Hands wants to start a new Naziism.

Jews in 1913, Muslims in 2013.

Seems that way to you does it tonton? lol.gif

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The UK announcing today more positive action to save lives-

 

 

"New powers to strip passports from British terror suspects

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has introduced new rules making it easier to strip British citizens of their passports if they are suspected of plotting terrorism.

The changes come into force with immediate effect because they are made under the Royal Prerogative, which can be exercised by ministers without parliamentary approval."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10018301/New-powers-to-strip-passports-from-British-terror-suspects.html

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With the internet filling up with sammi jo type conspiracy theories galore that the US government planned and carried out the Boston Marathon bombing with paid actors (yes, it's true sadly) here is something that makes a refreshing change. Amazingly calm and incredibly inspiring, Heather Abbott, who lost a leg below the left knee- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10020061/Boston-Marathon-bombings-victim-it-reminded-me-of-911.html

 

Another amazing and inspiring person, dance instructor Adrianne Haslet- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10018063/Boston-Marathon-bombings-victim-vows-to-dance-again.html


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That is a great concept for Britain. Maybe Obama might get off his ass and do the same thing.
 

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That is a great concept for Britain. Maybe Obama might get off his ass and do the same thing.
 

Let's hope so! Though to his credit, he did kill two of the people she deported with drones-

 

"Two of the expatriated men — “Bilal al-Berjawi, a British-Lebanese citizen who came to the U.K. as a baby and grew up in London, but left for Somalia in 2009 with his close friend the British-born Mohamed Sakr, who also held Egyptian nationality” — were stripped of their British passports in 2010 when British intelligence reported that they were deeply involved with militant group al-Shabaab. In June 2011, al-Berjawi was killed by a U.S. drone strike in Somalia; Sakr was killed in a February airstrike.

 

Joe Lieberman tried to get similar laws passed in the US-

 

"In 2010, Sen. Joe Lieberman introduced the Terrorist Expatriation Act, which — had it not failed — would have added “joining a foreign terrorist organization or engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States” to the list of reasons for denaturalization."

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/01/uk_terror_suspects_stripped_of_citizenship_hit_with_drones/

 

The UK rightly believes it's unjust to indefinitely detain someone without a trial and without a lawyer. The US will simply take that person and lock them up indefinitely. I think the US would be better off with the UK's law than that. If those UK denaturalised citizens had been innocent, they likely wouldn't have been somewhere where they'd be killed by drones. 


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Not once it had been determined he was a U.S. citizen (which was actually fairly early in this case.) In my view the debate ended at that point.

 

Just to clarify...are you saying that no U.S. citizen cannot be denied his Constitutional right to a fair trial, no matter what the circumstances?   

 

 

 

 

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We are? Perhaps they are trying to start a war with the US. But that seems like a fairly broad and vague statement straight off of a Rush Limbaugh broadcast.

 

Yes, we are.  

 

 

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Possibly, but there are tools within the criminal justice system to work through that.

 

 

 

You'll note that I specifically stated any elected official that actively pursued it. The reason I say it is because it would be in direct contradiction to the oath they took to uphold the constitution*.

 

 

*Of course, by that standard, about 90% of them should be impeached anyway.

 

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We disagree.  There are people who legitimately differ on this point.  

 

 

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Regarding the deep discussions that ensued across the nation regarding how Suspect #2 should be dealt with after his capture, the bastion of defense of the Constitution [only one certain part of it with a "2" in it], aka Fox News, stood their ground and decimated the Constitution, something their own staff with law degrees disagreed with.

 

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-april-24-2013-bassem-youssef

 

Seriously.

 

For those who dismiss anything from the Daily Show outright, this episode includes lots of clips of actual Fox voice boxes in their own words.  Yep, primary source material in all its glory.

 

Attacking Fox via the Daily Show is just silly.   

I can only please one person per day.  Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.  
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Just to clarify...are you saying that no U.S. citizen cannot be denied his Constitutional right to a fair trial, no matter what the circumstances?

 

I don't think they can. That's kinda the point of those rights. Or so I thought.

 

 

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Yes, we are.

 

Maybe you are. I'm not. So your "we" must include someone else then.

 

 

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We disagree.  There are people who legitimately differ on this point.

 

Disagree on what point exactly? That these elected officials have sworn to uphold the constitution or that, when they don't, impeachment ought to be a considered course of action?


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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Have you run out of conspiracy theories? lol.gif  

 

Careful about who you accuse of being conspiracy theorists....

 

In the 1940s, when the first rumors started circulating around the German public that Jews were being hauled by the 10s of thousands to prison camps for mass extermination, the general response was usually along the following lines, and usually not voiced publicly (for obvious reasons), but amongst family and friend: "I supported the Party because it seemed like the best option to get Germany strong again. I don't approve their policies, but to accuse our government of exterminating a whole race of people is crazy making". In the modern parlance, "you're wearing a tinfoil hat".

 

 

 

It was only towards the end of the war when the reality became apparent, and the TRUTH was told. There are still many Germans, alongside people around the world, who deny that the Holocaust happened. It is now illegal in to question the Holocaust in Germany.

 

Be careful.

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Be careful.

And the people who deny the holocaust today are more than likely to believe that 911 was an inside job. It's the same mindset of denying the complete evidence, taking things out of context and extrapolating a different outcome. It's dangerous, extremely in fact. Hitler used the same kind of conspiracies to build hatred of the Jews. Now I'm not trying to suggest you are a holocaust denier, in fact I would be very shocked if you were, but these events from the recent Newtown massacre to the Boston bombing are being exploited by anti-government and typically right wing groups, to further their agendas. Alex Jones is one such person, that's for sure. They're dangerous for another reason too. Our safety is at risk if we don't act to stop these terrorists. That can mean some uncomfortable surveillance. People who have been convinced that all this terrorism is carried out or allowed to happen by the USG, are not likely to accept increased surveillance. Indeed they are likely to see that as one of the USG goals in the first place. Sensible and properly monitored surveillance is critical to preventing more of these attacks.  


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With the internet filling up with sammi jo type conspiracy theories galore that the US government planned and carried out the Boston Marathon bombing with paid actors (yes, it's true sadly) here is something that makes a refreshing change. Amazingly calm and incredibly inspiring, Heather Abbott, who lost a leg below the left knee- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10020061/Boston-Marathon-bombings-victim-it-reminded-me-of-911.html

 

Another amazing and inspiring person, dance instructor Adrianne Haslet- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10018063/Boston-Marathon-bombings-victim-vows-to-dance-again.html

 

Handsandon, you seem naive beyond all bounds. Just admit it - you hate Muslims/Arabs. Did you get bullied or harassed by some Pakistani boys when you were a schoolkid?  Perhaps you should apply for a job in the Hollywood movie industry to get some satisfaction and an outlet for your apparent hatreds....

 

The internet, and radio, isn't filling so much with "conspiracy theories", but numerous accounts that point to FBI complicity. And its not just the "conspiracy" websites that have publicized this information, but also mainstream outlets, and alternative outlets on the left, and on the right. And if such accounts appear in the US mainstream media, which self-censors most newsworthy material that places the powers-that-be in a poor light, and defers to authority and government opinion by default regardless of party, it implies that the reality is likely to be far worse that is portrayed. (It can't happen here!)....

 

This of course is of no great surprise, as without the work of the FBI, the huge majority of well publicized incidents which have happened in the US involving so-called "jihadists" would, and could, never have happened. Also, remember the much publicized liquid "binary explosive" scare that terrorirzed the living daylights out of airline passengers a few years ago? 100% Bogus. It is very easy to indoctrinate young impressionable fiery (Islamic) males, especially those who may have had a dodgy background, mentally scarred, or have a criminal record. And when tempted by the carrot of cash rewards for being an informant, it must be very easy to recruit, in the current economic climate. This story comes to you via the New York Times (which must have been recently bought out by the Alex Jones group of companies?  lol.gif)

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Handsandon, you seem naive beyond all bounds. Just admit it - you hate Muslims/Arabs. Did you get bullied or harassed by some Pakistani boys when you were a schoolkid?  Perhaps you should apply for a job in the Hollywood movie industry to get some satisfaction and an outlet for your apparent hatreds....

 

The internet, and radio, isn't filling so much with "conspiracy theories", but numerous accounts that point to FBI complicity. And its not just the "conspiracy" websites that have publicized this information, but also mainstream outlets, and alternative outlets on the left, and on the right. And if such accounts appear in the US mainstream media, which self-censors most newsworthy material that places the powers-that-be in a poor light, and defers to authority and government opinion by default regardless of party, it implies that the reality is likely to be far worse that is portrayed. (It can't happen here!)....

 

This of course is of no great surprise, as without the work of the FBI, the huge majority of well publicized incidents which have happened in the US involving so-called "jihadists" would, and could, never have happened. Also, remember the much publicized liquid "binary explosive" scare that terrorirzed the living daylights out of airline passengers a few years ago? 100% Bogus. It is very easy to indoctrinate young impressionable fiery (Islamic) males, especially those who may have had a dodgy background, mentally scarred, or have a criminal record. And when tempted by the carrot of cash rewards for being an informant, it must be very easy to recruit, in the current economic climate. This story comes to you via the New York Times (which must have been recently bought out by the Alex Jones group of companies?  lol.gif)

lol, some real issues there in your thinking. 

 

Ever heard of PETN, that's P-E-T-N? Please watch this so you don't post any more nonsense- {warning the following video contains nazi propaganda and may offend some conspiracy theorists} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyrj8mKGXEc

 

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