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Google's Schmidt: We'd like Apple have Google Maps as default on iOS

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Eric Schmidt doesn't hold a grudge against Apple for developing its own rival mapping program for iOS, but the Google chair does seem to think the iPhone maker would be better served with his company's app as the default for its devices.

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Speaking today during an AllThingsD mobile conference, Schmidt said Google is still pushing Apple to use Google Maps as the primary navigation app on iPads, iPhones, and iPods.

"We would still really like them to use our maps," the Google chair said, according to CNet. "It would be easy for them to take the app in the store and put it as their basic one.

Previously, Apple and Google were partners in many aspects of Apple's iOS. Google Maps was an integral part of the first iPhone, and it remained so until last year with the release of iOS 6 and the Apple Maps app. Despite the resulting embarrassment stemming from some poorly implemented features of Apple's mapping solution, the company has worked to improve the offering, even as Google released a new version of its Maps for iOS, which saw millions of download upon its release.

The Google chair didn't elaborate on why Apple decided to go with its own maps program. The decision is thought to have in part spun out of the competition between the two companies in the mobile devices segment. Additionally, Apple is thought to have been unwilling to accede to Google's user data conditions for adding features like turn-by-turn navigation to iOS Google Maps.

Schmidt also wouldn't go into detail on whether Apple and Google are currently discussing having Google Maps as a default tool. Doing so would be a departure for Apple, which doesn't allow users to specify non-Apple iOS apps as defaults within iOS.

The Google chair has a habit of making vague statements about the search giant's relationship with Apple, so it is uncertain the degree to which his statements on Tuesday can be taken at face value.

Through the rest of the interview, Schmidt downplayed the potential of Facebook's Home Android launcher having a negative impact on Google's ecosystem. Facebook Home and Amazon's forking of Android for its Kindle line of devices, Schmidt said, are the sort of developments Google expected and wants to see spin out of its open platform.

"I think it's fantastic because this is what open source is all about," Schmidt said. "It's experimentation, it's new ideas, it's creativity, and I think it's one of the big reasons that Android is the number one platform. And I think it took guts for us [to go open source]."

Schmidt also downplayed the notion any increasing tensions between Google and Samsung. Samsung is essentially the only Android manufacturer making money on its handsets, and the South Korean conglomerate's Galaxy line arguably has better name recognition than the Android software underlying it.

"We've spent lots of time with Samsung," Schmidt said, "and I can confirm to you that the press coverage of 'tensions' is not correct."

Schmidt said that many different Android manufacturers will continue to build Android handsets and to find ways to make money. As to Google's own in-house Android manufacturer, Schmidt said that new devices can be expected from Motorola later this year. Asked if those devices were phones, Schmidt was coy.

"Think of [Motorola] as 'Phones Plus,'" he said.
post #2 of 130

Why is Schmidt even bothering to make statements like this?  He is smart enough to know Apple has heavily invested in developing their own Maps app and providing a unique mapping service, and at this point, there is no way they're going to drop their own app for Google's.

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Why the hell would he sa...

Oh wait.




It's Eric Schmidt.
post #4 of 130

That's so sweet of him — looking out for the best interests of Apple.

It's nice to know he doesn't hold it against Apple.

All the same, I think Apple should probably just continue to trust him no further than Steve Jobs can throw him [now, that is.]

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"Apple is thought to have been unwilling to accede to Google's user data conditions for adding features like turn-by-turn navigation to iOS Google Maps."

 

Everything you need to know about the situation, right there in once sentence.

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post #6 of 130

Apple's Cook: Get bent, pimp.

 

"Pimp?"

Google whores out the information of those that use their services. The name is fitting.

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post #7 of 130

HE STARTED AGAIN.  THIS GUY IS HAVING POTS AND POTS OF VODKA AND COMING TO PRESS AND TALKING.

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Apple and Google were partners in many aspects of Apple's iOS

Definitely. No wonder, Google ripped off initial version of Apple iOS

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Schmidt downplayed the potential of Facebook's HomeAndroid launcher having a negative impact on Google's ecosystem.

Then, why did they allow it on Android dudes?  I dont understand Google at all.

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User data mining aside. The main take away is Apple wasn't getting the same updates on iOS as Android was getting. Why should they be left behind? 

 

 

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Then, why did they allow it on Android dudes?  I dont understand Google at all.

 

Do they even have to allow it? Couldn't Facebook legally fork Android and do their own thing?

 

 

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Then, why did they allow it on Android dudes?  I dont understand Google at all.

 

I think you're misreading the sentence.  He said he doesn't think it will have a negative impact.

post #13 of 130
With the exception of Streetview, I use Apple's Maps app. At least I know Apple won't try whoring-out my data like Google does.

I'm glad Apple stripped out google's services. That must have resulted in a significant drop in mobile revenue.
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The dude us a total psycho!
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 "It would be easy for them to take the app in the store and put it as their basic one."

Sure, Eric, the moment you pull out of the phone business we'll do that. Done deal, buddy. It would be oh so easy to pull Android and point to IOS as you default mobile recommendation. Until then you won't be getting our user's data.

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As a mapping app developer I would NOT like to have Google Maps be the default for iOS. They come with too many restrictions on what app developers can do with them. If your app is successful and a lot of people use it, Google can turn off their maps. All of Google's mapping SDKs come with a long list of things you CAN'T do with them. Apple's maps are improving rapidly. They are vector and smaller to download. They are cached on the device so even if you lose connection to the internet, the maps still work over a large area. Google's maps are tiled bitmaps for many different scale levels. Caching them would require a lot of data storage but that does not matter because caching is one of the things that you are not allowed to do. Thanks but I will keep Apple's maps.
post #17 of 130
Eric:

You're a weasel of a man with no ethics. I can't wait for Apple to invest their resources into burying you in the maps department.
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Too late Shmitty, in my opinion, Apples maps is already better than Google maps, you should have thought of that before. Google will be in trouble as soon as Samsung ditches them, Apple switches their default search to Yahoo. Windows having their own Bing. Google wont have a platform. Thats what happens when you steal and don't play nice.

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With the exception of Streetview, I use Apple's Maps app. At least I know Apple won't try whoring-out my data like Google does.

I'm glad Apple stripped out google's services. That must have resulted in a significant drop in mobile revenue.

 

I've gotten over the loss of streetview, although it was really useful and I would like it back if possible.  The thing I can't do without is any kind of transit information.  

 

Without that, maps is useless for anyone who doesn't drive which is at least 40% of the population in most countries and more like 60% where I live.  If Apple could only add back in the transit info then they wouldn't be "number two" anymore at least.  

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

"We would still really like them to use our maps," the Google chair said...

 

And people in hell would really like ice water.

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post #21 of 130
Dear Eric,

Go f@ck yourself.

(Oh, and good luck with everybody on Earth being online by 2020, you dumb shit)
post #22 of 130
He's more worried about were Apple's Map is going & @ how fast it's getting their!
Just before the launch of Maps via Apple Google still had Clouds fuzzy map data
over the Himalayas region, roads wrongly placed.

Today most of it's correct the roads almost match the Sat layout, on Apple's Maps
the roads match perfectly.. Google does have more places named.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

"Think of [Motorola] as 'Phones Plus,'" he said.

 

That's what Apple wants competitors to think about iPhone: "phone plus apps."

(Fooled Microsoft, Palm, RIM, et al into releasing phones with just apps.)

 

And yes, it's just fine if consumers still think of iPhone as a "smartphone."

(They don't care what it's called.  It's the best and they just want it.)

 

(Pssst....  iPhone is actually a pocket-sized computer wirelessly connected to a massive ecosystem.

But don't tell anyone.  The longer the competitors don't understand the whole ecosystem concept,

the better for Apple.  They'll just keep pulling ahead in the post-PC era.)

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post #24 of 130

When is Apple Maps coming to the web? I have one application that uses a web page embedded map. 

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post #25 of 130
Thwack !
Roundhouse kick - thwack !
Straight right to finish him - Thwack !

Nothing like a Schmidt punchbag to get you going ....
post #26 of 130
Shut up Schmidt!

For a long time you gave us a sub par maps experience on the iPhone. Now you want to cry? I love Apple Maps!
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User data mining aside. The main take away is Apple wasn't getting the same updates on iOS as Android was getting. Why should they be left behind? 


Right on, Google didn't keep their Apple  iOS Maps up to date.  Of course Google wanted to have their spyware android as the best for Apps.  Quite a conflict of interest here.

Now I find Apple's Maps a better mapping program for our area.  I use both Map programs.

 

It would be very dumb of Apple to put Google Maps up front- EVER!  I'm sure my Apple is much smarter than that.

 

Nice try Google, but most iPhone users I know only use your Maps if necessary. You'll have to do most of your spying on the OS you built by copying much of Apple's lovely  iOS.

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Bugger off - we do not do business with convicted criminals! 

 

(I'm from the EU - not sure what the situation is in other countries.)

 

It is time that someone put a stop to the evil doing of these data thieves.

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"I think it's fantastic because this is what open source is all about," Schmidt said. "It's experimentation, it's new ideas, it's creativity, and I think it's one of the big reasons that Android is the number one platform. And I think it took guts for us [to go open source]."

OMG, he said it took guts to create a spyware phone OS.

Yes it was a lot of effort, even if  it  was copied from Apple's iOS.

But to have an OS which reports everything a phone user does is a huge payoff for Google.

 

Now if only Google would let iPhone users have some privacy and to only use Google Maps by choice.

I'm wondering what the new BlackBerry phone does for Maps? 

I can't see any Google App satisfying their security levels.

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It's as if he forgot he stole the idea for Android a few years back.  This can only mean that Google is actually feeling the dent in being able to sell our information.

 

If I left my employer and stole all their stuff, for sure I get sued.  How was it OK for him to be on Apple's board, see the iPhone prior to launch, and then go copy it just by leaving?  Just not sure how Google get's away with this, dancing around privacy law, etc.


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post #31 of 130
Well it is there are three main competitors apple, google, and Microsoft.
post #32 of 130

Because Eric Schmidt doesn't have much else to talk about.  And why isn't Schmidt wearing his Google Glass?  Doesn't he like them?

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Wow. A lot vitriol here. But what the heck, I am going to stick my neck out into the lion's den.

 

After months of using both, I have to honestly admit that I prefer Google Maps. Although Apple's maps have an overall cleaner appearance, the user interface is much simpler and more efficient with Google (especially when it comes to having edit or redo addresses for directions -- e.g., put in a new starting or new ending point without having to provide all of the info all over again).

 

Second, I have repeatedly run into situations -- and I am talking about being in reasonably well-worn parts of the US (even though not big cities), not some off-the-beaten-path locations in the boondocks -- where Google just seems to be able to recognize more street names and addresses than Apple does. I am sure Apple's maps are steadily improving on this front, but the number of times that Apple maps has returned something to the effect of "address not found" but Google is able to find it is frankly distressing. (And, tbh, I have neither the time nor the interest in sending complaints to Apple each time that happens).

 

Third, Google Maps is well-integrated with my car (a BMW). Apple could get there eventually, but it would have to give me something significantly additional, such as seamless Siri integration with my car's navigation system to get me to switch.

 

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Third, Google Maps is well-integrated with my car (a BMW). 

I too have a BMW (2012). Please explain how Google Maps integrates with the built-in navigation system, if that is what you are implying.

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post #35 of 130

He is starting to sound like Balmer.

 

He sounds like a disappointed child who's friends decided not to play in his sand box he decided to piss in. Now all his friends took their toys and went to play in their own sand box.

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I've gotten over the loss of streetview, although it was really useful and I would like it back if possible.  The thing I can't do without is any kind of transit information.  
Without that, maps is useless for anyone who doesn't drive which is at least 40% of the population in most countries and more like 60% where I live.  If Apple could only add back in the transit info then they wouldn't be "number two" anymore at least.  

But you can get all that back with the Google Maps app, right? The problem of not having Google Maps' features went away when they started offering their separate app several months ago.

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Wow. A lot vitriol here. But what the heck, I am going to stick my neck out into the lion's den.

After months of using both, I have to honestly admit that I prefer Google Maps. Although Apple's maps have an overall cleaner appearance, the user interface is much simpler and more efficient with Google (especially when it comes to having edit or redo addresses for directions -- e.g., put in a new starting or new ending point without having to provide all of the info all over again).

Second, I have repeatedly run into situations -- and I am talking about being in reasonably well-worn parts of the US (even though not big cities), not some off-the-beaten-path locations in the boondocks -- where Google just seems to be able to recognize more street names and addresses than Apple does. I am sure Apple's maps are steadily improving on this front, but the number of times that Apple maps has returned something to the effect of "address not found" but Google is able to find it is frankly distressing. (And, tbh, I have neither the time nor the interest in sending complaints to Apple each time that happens).

I've seen it both ways. Sometimes Apple is better, sometimes Google is better. I like having both apps.
post #37 of 130

It's nice to have a choice. I tend to still use Google maps more though.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
You might want to recheck your facts. Google no longer uses tiles. They switched to vectoring a few years ago on Android and now use it for the iOS app.

 

Their newest UI style sure looks lifted straight from early Metro, though.

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I too have a BMW (2012). Please explain how Google Maps integrates with the built-in navigation system, if that is what you are implying.

I have no idea what you read into what I was implying (other than that, at this point, I prefer Google Maps to Apple Maps and that might change with Siri integration in my car), but here you go: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Explore/BMWValue/BMWAssist/BMWAssistMyInfoFAQ.aspx

 

Add: You have to call their 1-800 number (or whatever their customer assist number is, the info is in your car settings) to set it up.

post #40 of 130
I really dont un derstand the negativity with repsect to Apples maps, from day one i thought it was fantastic as it did exactly what I needed it to do. Today it is even better. Just two days ago I popped up Siri, while driving and said I need a map to Muncy PA. Within a few seconds I had the map and was being told to hang a U-turn to get back on track.

i really think the only problem with Siri is that there where too many children with access to the internet complaining about something just for the sake of complaining. That combined with a media frenzy to find something wrong with Apple lead to a lot of bad press. The complaining was a blizzard of hot air spun up be people with nothing legitimate to complain about and often with some sort of vendetta against Apple.
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