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Apple is the target of some salacious accusations in the Chinese media again, with an alleged pornography investigation making some observers wonder if this is the new normal for Apple in the world's biggest smartphone market.

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The Chinese government regularly attempts to censor pornographic content on the web and recently launched a new campaign to stamp out such content in China. This most recent campaign included one government regulator naming Apple's iOS App Store as a source of "obscene pornographic content," according to The Wall Street Journal.

The accusation came with an order for Apple to remove the offensive content from its App Store and to submit a report on the violation. It also called for Apple to implement measures to prevent future violations.

The regulator leveled that accusation in March, and Communist Party mouthpiece The People's Daily followed up on Wednesday, placing Apple in a list of websites and app stores under investigation for providing pornographic content. Despite Apple's size and bumpy recent history in China, the piece doesn't emphasize Apple more than other companies named.

"This is another very heavy stick to remind content sellers who the boss is," one analyst told Bloomberg. "Apple really has to work hard on government relations."

Apple is notoriously vigilant in keeping pornographic material out of its App Store as best it can, to the point that some app makers self-censor in anticipation of content being removed from the App Store due to Apple's standards. The company has, though, had run-ins with the Chinese government over pornographic content in the past.

Some analysts are looking at the new dust-up as a possible sign that Apple has been targeted by the Chinese government, much in the way search giant Google ran into problems in the country. China Central Television accused Google of spreading pornography in 2009, and shortly thereafter Google began experiencing heavier hacking attacks. The company eventually moved its operations to Hong Kong in 2010.

The past months have seen Apple's position in China becoming increasingly complex. Apple recognizes the importance of the Chinese market in terms of mobile computing, and the company is continually positioning its products to be effective in China.

The iPhone maker became the target of what appeared to be a coordinated media attack last month, leading to a rare apology from Apple CEO Tim Cook over alleged warranty issues in the country. Shortly following Cook's apology, China's media began celebrating Apple again.
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Huh ?!? I have never seen a porn App in the app store...

I am so glad I dont live in China.
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Apple's iOS App Store as a source of "obscene pornographic content"

 

And people get mad at me when I say, "Screw the Chinese"… How can you support this idiocy?

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Who is the biggest purveyor of 'porn'? Apple's app store or the Chinese government. With Apple it is a few occurrences that made it past Apple's review board.

With China's gov't, it's basically One Billion People Screwed...
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And people get mad at me when I say, "Screw the Chinese"… How can you support this idiocy?

 

It does look like the kind of place you can get arrested and put in jail for absolutly no reason.

 

I went to Cuba one. To my suprise you need to go throught custom's to get OUT of the country. If I cross the border from Canada to the US the canadian customs is not going to stop me and make sure I can get out... Imo dont go to a country that checks people on there way out...


Edited by herbapou - 4/17/13 at 7:37am
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And people get mad at me when I say, "Screw the Chinese"… How can you support this idiocy?

 

 

The Communist Party of China absolutely agrees with you.  Screw the people and steal all the technology/wealth in the world.  It's about their family over yours...  any way they (government officials) can.  That simple.

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This gave me a giggle.

If the Chinese don't like porn then how did their population get to 1.4 billion?

By just smiling hard at each other?
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So in the Chinese App Store you can download porn Apps, where as in the rest of the world we can't.

 

We should definitely sue Apple for chinese favoritism!


Edited by Rabbit_Coach - 4/17/13 at 8:21am
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As in all these situations be mindful to distinguish between the government and the people. More so than not, the two are not one in the same.

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Typical shakedown - where's the alleged app(s) that are offensive?

Or is it Apple's profits that are so "offensive" to the greedy chinese government?

I guess every major government has it's corrupt officials you have to bribe - and if you don't you get too much "attention".
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that's how many things in China works.  I have seen it first hand.

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Weird that China did not mention the name of any apps that have porn. Probably because they couldn't find any.

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This gave me a giggle.

If the Chinese don't like porn then how did their population get to 1.4 billion?

By just smiling hard at each other?

So how did people reproduce before there was porn?
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Weird that China did not mention the name of any apps that have porn. Probably because they couldn't find any.

I found one. It's really shocking.

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/wheres-my-water/id449735650?mt=8

 

And you can see......totally nude in the shower.

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If the Chinese don't like porn then how did their population get to 1.4 billion?

The absence of porn likely forced them to have sex with real people, like in the old days. There is actually porn in Asia but they do a really weird thing in that they add those pixellated filters over the parts.

http://www.japanprobe.com/2006/01/31/why-is-japanese-porn-censored/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9388560/Michelangelo-becomes-latest-victim-of-Chinese-censorship.html

It's watchable but it does sort of defeat the whole point of it. I can't imagine them finding many apps in the App Store that would be obscene but anything with full nudity would count for them, possibly erotic books.
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Chinese govt is playing hardball.  Clearly Apple needs China more than China needs Apple which doesnt bode well for future business in China particularly China Mobile. I think Apple needs to sit down and figure out what the price of doing business in China is.  Of course, much like any good black mailer, I doubt the Chinese govt will be easy to buy off.

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Huh ?!? I have never seen a porn App in the app store...

I am so glad I dont live in China.

Define porn. Part of the issue may be how they define it. For all we know a comic with a woman with large bulbous breasts, even fully covered, is pornographic.

China may be shooting itself in some ways. Japan just found a huge cache of the same rare Earth metals that China was using to force chip etc production to stay in China by making it illegal to export the metals. Having another source opens of suppliers to possibly move production out of China. Foxconn has plants in South America and according to rumor soon in the US. Obama is pushing for more STEM education projects to reverse that whole 'there are people for the jobs' that Steve said was part of why they get outsourced in the first place.

All of this could be in part a move, not just by Apple but all companies, to get out of China to a heavy degree. Imagine if Apple was in a position to move everything out of China including their stores. And then sue the government for not stopping smugglers and copycats. I don't think Apple would pull out but if they were in the position to do so it might be better for them. They might even be able to use that leverage in these suits since the last thing they want to do is have to write a special version of iOS with no safari, no iTunes content stores etc but that's basically what China wants.

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post #18 of 60
I would not be surprised that Apple failed to "take care of" certain kinds of "under handed" business with the upper echelon of the ruling party prior to setting up business. The Chinese government's reputation of being corrupt is well known. There is no doubt Apple is being scrutinized.
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Perhaps Huawei is about to lose one or more major international telecomms contracts on the grounds of its excessively close connections to the government of China.

 

Cheers

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So is Apple going to bend over again and apologize to those communists, every time that the crooks come with vague and ridiculous accusations?

 

Apple should just tell those evil losers and terrible liars to get lost.

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The accusation came with an order for Apple to remove the offensive content from its App Store and to submit a report on the violation. It also called for Apple to implement measures to prevent future violations.

 

The websites involved were told to delete the content, then engage in self-examination, self-correction and better site management.

 

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Despite Apple's size and bumpy recent history in China, the piece doesn't emphasize Apple more than other companies named.

 

Yeah, there were a lot of sites mentioned.

 

They also listed a pro-Android website, and even university eBook exchanges.

 

I wonder if any of the violations had to do with apps like Manga readers.

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So is Apple going to bend over again and apologize to those communists, every time that the crooks come with vague and ridiculous accusations?

Apple should just tell those evil losers and terrible liars to get lost.

That's right, you tell them Archie Bunker.
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That's right, you tell them Archie Bunker.

You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.

 

Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.

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The last time this happened, Apple publicly apologized. I wonder if that's the proper tack to take this time. Apple is obviously in the right here, but I don't know Chinese culture well enough to know if standing up for itself is the best path. What I'd like them to say is "We've had the requested controls in place for years, so much so that we're criticized the world over for having too much censorship. We request [name of gov't official here] specifically tell us what he objected to so that we can discuss the matter." Behind the scenes, I think they should start reminding the Chinese government that labor costs are now higher in China than in many other countries and that iPhones can be manufactured elsewhere. But again, I don't know Chinese culture well enough to know how well a hard-line stance will be received.

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You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.

 

Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.

 

You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.

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You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.

Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.

I agree but telling them to get lost isn't an option. Yes they are big and yes they are a bully but the best way to beat a bully is to stand up to them.
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You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.

Hear hear.
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You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.

 

And I'm saying that some things are more important than money. I wonder how many billions Apple lost today, due to another day of ridiculous declines in AAPL? Money is not everything.

 

Sometimes you have to stand up for what's right.

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You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.

 

Eh, I'm with Apple ][ on this one.  At some point you need to just say, "You know what?  It's not me, it's you," and draw a line.  

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You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.

 

Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.

 

Love trolling quotes like this.  Just because it is what you believe does not make it the truth for everyone.

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Eh, I'm with Apple ][ on this one.  At some point you need to just say, "You know what?  It's not me, it's you," and draw a line.  

Difference is that you're at least giving them an option. "Get lost" does not, it doesn't help them and definitely doesn't help you.
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I don't know why you guys are knocking the Chinese and with the same breath praising Apple. Apple is basically a communist corporation.

Apple tells you what you can and can't download on your device. It tells developers what they can and can't add to the app store. The only way to circumvent Apple's hold on your device is to jailbreak it (or for the Chinese, using a proxy) , which they make it difficult to do.

Now all of you obviously enjoy all these restrictions Apple puts on you, and enjoy Apple deciding what's good for you, so what's the problem with the Chinese being told what to watch and what to see on the Internet?
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I don't know why you guys are knocking the Chinese and with the same breath praising Apple. Apple is basically a communist corporation.

Apple tells you what you can and can't download on your device. It tells developers what they can and can't add to the app store. The only way to circumvent Apple's hold on your device is to jailbreak it (or for the Chinese, using a proxy) , which they make it difficult to do.

Now all of you obviously enjoy all these restrictions Apple puts on you, and enjoy Apple deciding what's good for you, so what's the problem with the Chinese being told what to watch and what to see on the Internet?

 

What a ridiculous comparison. Are you for real?

 

Nobody is forcing anybody to purchase and use any Apple product. 

 

If somebody is unfortunate enough to be stuck or living in China, you don't have any choice and you can not refuse anything.

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Difference is that you're at least giving them an option. "Get lost" does not, it doesn't help them and definitely doesn't help you.

 

I understand your point, but really, it's not like the Chinese have "played fair" in any of this.  It's not in their nature.

 

And I wonder about the "biggest smartphone market" claim, too.  Sure, buy units sold maybe.  But I seriously doubt there's a whole lot of profit happening in the China market for smartphones, to be honest.

 

The less Apple has to do with China, the better.  (And yes, I realize that they can't completely divest themselves for a multitude of reasons.)

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China needs to buy Apple. Now is the time. It is inevitable that they do. Once they control a substantial percentage of shares of the stock, the price will fall by 90% for them to buy the rest. Apple's presence in China is out of control for the Chinese government. They would be able to keep jobs at home and control the iDevices. Apple could counter by issuing stock and giving it to the US government, but the US might just give that stock to China to cover its debt. Then Apple could issue stock to the Canadian government, but they would give it to Blackberry. I realize that China usually only wants natural resources, but they may need to act now to prevent Apple from a takeover.

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I understand your point, but really, it's not like the Chinese have "played fair in any of this.  It's not in their nature.

And I wonder about the "biggest smartphone market" claim, too.  Sure, buy units sold maybe.  But I seriously doubt there's a whole lot of profit happening in the China market for smartphones, to be honest.

The less Apple has to do with China, the better.  (And yes, I realize that they can't completely divest themselves for a multitude of reasons.)

They are not used to playing fair, one has to make it so that they see that it can't always be their way. It wasn't too long ago that the US government was rife with corruption and while there's still some it's no where as bad. Things changed here and they'll change in China.
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So how did people reproduce before there was porn?

 

Actually, if you have seen enough ancient cave paintings, you know that there's ALWAYS been porn.

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Actually, if you have seen enough ancient cave paintings, you know that there's ALWAYS been porn.

Damn I miss those days lol
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post #39 of 60
I'd love to see Apple and other tech giants team up and just completely bail on the Chinese. Pull out of retail completely and move your manufacturing to other nations. I'm sure South America and the U.S. would love to have you. Better yet, pull out in dramatic fashion utterly embarrass them by writing an open letter calling the Chinese out on their oppressive society and Communist evil.
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I'd love to see Apple and other tech giants team up and just completely bail on the Chinese. Pull out of retail completely and move your manufacturing to other nations. I'm sure South America and the U.S. would love to have you. Better yet, pull out in dramatic fashion utterly embarrass them by writing an open letter calling the Chinese out on their oppressive society and Communist evil.

 

Off-topic, I know, but it saddens me that countries like China and the Soviet Union have been allowed to define what "communism" means when they are (or were, in the case of the USSR) as far from the concept as could be.  They're simply fascists.

 

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