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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

 

From the last world comparison I saw, right when the iPhone 5 came out (if anyone has later, please post)...

 

Blah Blah .....

As I said to MacRulez above:

 

 

All bogus 'estimates.'

 

ATT's and VZW's are actuals. And they control 70% of the US market. 

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A couple of them know that the iPhone is "better" but don't care. They also know that a Merc is better than a Toyota, but the Toyota meets their modest needs at a lower price.

But in the US... thanks to subsidies... iPhones and Android phones are the same price.

Flagship iPhones and Android phones are $200 with contract... mid-range iPhones and Android phones are $100 with contract... low-end iPhones and Android phones are $0 with contract.

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Because Android isn't doing all that great in most civilized countries, like the US.

 

Android does well in countries where people can barely afford to feed their children.

 

That appears to not be the case.

 

http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html

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I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.

The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android are inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.

 

It would be good to have some numbers to know what percentage of Android sales are high end phones.

 

All we really have is Samsung's claims based on Galaxy S "shipments" 100 million over the last three years, 10% of Schmidt's claim of a billion Android "activations", occurring later this year.

 

 

 

Given that Samsung is the largest Android manufacturer, it seems that around 90% of Android devices are low to mid range.

 

That's the elephant in the room Android promoters don't want to face.

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The US smart phone market which is now essentially saturated is in it middle phase. Now will see how the split between Android and iOS settles down. A number of factors are emerging. the main one being how sophisticated the buyer is, having experienced their first smart phone and has had a few years to evaluate the two real alternatives. Its rather obvious why Android has flattened -  it has essentially replaced Symbian. The next 18 months will tell us if users will stay with Android or switch to either BB, Windows phone or iOS. I don't think Android has anywhere really to go except down from here once its complexities, lack of forwards compatibility with apps and susceptibility to viruses, trojans, payload attacks and adware become more apparent to the average user.

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I remember when Android forums were filled with stories like this, in which data was used or massaged to paint a brighter picture than reality suggested. Then Android evolved. Phones started to be released that could compete with the iPhone, and Android started gaining real traction beyond being the "poor man's smartphone." All of a sudden, postings like this started to disappear, and Android owners didn't feel like they had to support their choice in smartphone with sales reports and crowd-bashing of the other platforms. Funny how the tables turn.

The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.

 

But yet an Android supporter such as yourself feels compelled to join and post on a site like AI. Do you feel like you still have to support your choice? Your posting history would tend to indicate that.

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The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.

I agree with mstone that it would be nice to see a chart that includes data from other carriers, such as CellularOne, Sprint, Tracfone, StraightTalk, VirginMobileUSA, Cricket, and T-Mobile to name a few.  Some of those who only recently started selling iPhones have had "bring your own phone" or "sim card only" type plans for a while, although I admit that finding hard data on most of it might be difficult.  The analysts might have to earn their pay for it.  ;)

 

But in the data that IS shown, I think it's remarkable that there is NO seasonal spike in Android sales during the holiday period, despite heavy advertising and the lower cost of those handsets, both of which you might expect to impact gift-giving.  It seems that iPhone is a very desirable gift. That says something about consumer regard.  And we already know that Apple is the only maker out there substantially profiting from the sales.  So when you combine a desirable product with a high-margin and strong sales.... of course AAPL (stock) price will decline!  irked.gif

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The other 100 carriers in the US probably sell nothing but Android phones so looking at a chart that only considers the numbers for VZ and ATT is a bit misleading regarding how many Androids are actually being sold within the US.

 

Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.

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Articles slanted toward Apple really brings 'em out of the woodwork doesn't it. Where do they hide during the day?

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Bu-bu-bu-but Android is winning!

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Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.

MetroPCS is well on it's way to be considered a major carrier and they don't offer the iPhone.
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The chart clearly shows Apple's YoY considerably higher. It's foolish to look at the quarter just after a holiday and compare it to a holiday. You either don't understand how to read the chart or you're deliberately being obtuse. Which one is it or do you want to still contend that Android isn't flat and that iOS isn't higher than Android according to the graph for a given carrier?

 

iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.

 

So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.

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Actually, the arguements were never about a single person's choice on the matter.

 

Actually, the post to which I was responding was. It was specifically about the kind of people ("demographics") who buy Android devices.

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The iPhone is a great phone, perfect for a lot of people. But to claim that the current iteration of Android is inferior to iOS and that there's no phone that can match the iPhone experience in today's market is just plain denial.

Jelly Bean is great. Unfortunately... there are millions of Android phones that don't run Jelly Bean.

You can get Android phones around the world for under $100 that run Gingerbread.

Is the experience any good? Probably not.

Do they sell a lot of them? Hell yeah... because they're cheap.

When measuring the "Android" experience... you need to include ALL Android phones... and ALL Android OSes... not just the few flagship phones running Jelly Bean.

If all those cheap phones are used to prop up Android's phenomenal market share numbers... then they have to be averaged into the Android user experience too.

So I would say... on the whole... that "Android" doesn't offer a great experience.
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That appears to not be the case.

 

http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html

 

Market share does not necessarily equate to "doing well".

 

Even Google admits that their strategy is to have as many cheap, junk phones running Android as possible.

 

 

The key to growth for Google’s Android (and likely most other handset manufacturers and mobile OS companies), however, is the developing world.

“Our goal is to reach everybody,” said Schmidt, and one way to do that is to get handset prices down to $100 or $70, which are key price points for the 5 billion people who are still without smartphones.

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Sprint, T-mobile and others also sell iPhones, the probability of your "probably" just fell to very low odds.

 

Please let me know how many of the 105 carriers in the US do not sell iPhone and I will edit my post to reflect your data.

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iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.

So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.

1) It peaked in the December quarter? NO FUCKING SHIT?! YOU DON'T SAY?! 1oyvey.gif

2) The numbers show about a 33% increase over the September results (with the iPhone 4S) and March results (with the iPhone 5).

3) Again, if you don't know what YoY means or why it's more relevant for measuring year-over-year results then you need to take your ass back to school.

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Because Android isn't doing all that great in most civilized countries, like the US.

 

Android does well in countries where people can barely afford to feed their children.

 

That appears to not be the case.

 

http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/07/global-smartphone-market-share-trends.html

Groan. More bogus data. Thanks. Very persuasive. NOT.

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"You can make all kinds of arguments for the advantages of an iPhone, but to denigrate those who choose something else for any of many perfectly valid reasons might be construed as snobbish."

Right, because fandroids NEVER do this.

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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

 

Given that Samsung is the largest Android manufacturer, it seems that around 90% of Android devices are low to mid range.

 

That's the elephant in the room Android promoters don't want to face.

Spot on.

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First of all, I don't own any Android devices and probably never will. I own two MacBook Pros, one MacPro, one Mac Mini, bought two iMacs for friends and family in the last three years, and owned an iPhone 3G, 4 and 4S. The iPhone 5 is the first iPhone since the 3G that I haven't jumped on because it offered nothing compelling over the 4S, which is part of Apple's problem right now.

 

The carrier line charts clearly show iOS growth at AT&T, but flat iOS growth at Verizon. Remove the holiday bumps from the Verizon chart and what do you get? You get a little iOS above Android and a little below, but overall when you average out the peaks and valleys in the iOS Verizon chart you get something very similar to the Android line. The only thing this proves is that iPhone gets a nice holiday bump while Android does not.

 

None of your screaming and shouting is going to change the fact that at Verizon, iOS and Android are pretty much even once you average out the peaks and valleys. At AT&T, iOS is clearly king. However, you cannot draw any overall market conclusions from these graphs as a significant portion of iOS sales occur outside of the US.

 

I love Apple, I even own Apple stock. I understand the need to want to write these types of articles given all of the negative news lately. I just think this article is reaching a false conclusion based largely on AT&T numbers because the Verizon numbers are not really that impressive.

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Articles slanted toward Apple really brings 'em out of the woodwork doesn't it. Where do they hide during the day?

I have no doubt that some of them are being paid by the post (as we discovered yesterday that Samsung is prone to do).

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MetroPCS is well on it's way to be considered a major carrier and they don't offer the iPhone.

They're tiny in comparison to ATT and VZW, and in any event, after they're bought out by T-Mobile, many of their subscribers will flee to the iPhone, I'd guess. The reaction to to T-Mobile's offering of the iPhone does not seem to augur well for the other smartphones.

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The only comparative data that would mean anything to those of us in the market for a phone in the US (and who have some money) would be between iPhones and the handful of high-end, large-screen Android phones we keep hearing are selling in the millions - notably Samsung's Galaxy S amd possibly the Note series, the Nexus phones and (coming up) the well-reviewed new HTC one. 

Anybody got any data on that?  As I am conflicted due to suffering from a case of screen size envy.....  ...so I'd like to see those phones putting some pressure on Apple to feed my pixel and inches greed.
 

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But in the US... thanks to subsidies... iPhones and Android phones are the same price.

 

Oh. Never mind! :)

 

Here (Canada) the model is slowly shifting from outright subsidy to more of a "financing" model. The big carriers still do things the old way, but the newer and/or smaller carriers "advance" a phone to you, for which you pay $X/month until it's paid off. There seems to be a limit to how much they'll float though, so more expensive phones require a lump payment up front.

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Oh. Never mind! 1smile.gif

Here (Canada) the model is slowly shifting from outright subsidy to more of a "financing" model. The big carriers still do things the old way, but the newer and/or smaller carriers "advance" a phone to you, for which you pay $X/month until it's paid off. There seems to be a limit to how much they'll float though, so more expensive phones require a lump payment up front.

In the US, besides getting a device that retails at around $100 more than the competition they also hold their value much better. This has made many an iPhone owner be able to sell their iPhone after a year or two with the ability to keep getting a newer model with cash left over. It's one of the perks the subsidy model has afforded those that want iPhones.

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In my experience over the years, folks that bought Android phones as their first smartphone immediately become disenchanted by them for numerous reasons from battery life, cheap quality, complexity, instabilities, pick one...

When they see my iPhone and see how polished it is both in terms of physical build-quality and the simplicity/smoothness of iOS they are sold. Most have abandoned Android.

Android is so overrated. It seems to cater to several demographics:
- 1st-time buyers looking for a cheap, smartphone with price being their only consideration.
- Individuals that want an open, infinitely-customizable smartphone and have way too much time on their hands. They will customize their smartphone so much, no one else will be able to figure out how to make a phone call on it.
- iHaters that want nothing to do with Apple simply because of a false-belief that Apple is more "evil" than the numerous Android handset makers like Samsung whose CEO is a convicted criminal, and Google that has cleverly masqueraded their "open and free" OS as a way to covertly gather as much information on you, the product, and sell "you" to the highest bidder.

Agree, I've even known people to get political about it claiming that Apple is more liberal.  People who make such claims really don't get that all of these tech companies could care less about social politics & only care about lobbying for their own benefit.  

 

To add one to your list, many of the android users I know who've stayed Android upgrade like crazy trying to find a phone that works better or can support the latest & greatest Android OS.  In contrast (and despite claims) most of the iPhone users I know keep the same phone they have past 2-3 upgrade cycles because it works so good they can't justify upgrading.  I was the same way, I went from the 3GS to the 5.  I gave my 3GS to someone else & it's still working great for them.  When my wife's old Palm died I had to borrow someone's older Android (like year newer than my old 3GS) to get her through to her eligibility for an upgrade.  That thing was like a dinosaur next to my 3GS!  Granted it was an older Android & they've supposedly come a long way but I have yet to come across an Android that doesn't look the part of a Java based phone if you know what I mean.  My wife hated that phone, just absolutely hated it, but she is in love with her new iPhone (she's hard to impress, she hates her Mac most of the time).

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You will need a check with the ophthalmologist as well.  Verizon's "other" sales line starts above the iPhone's, then iPhone's crosses the "other" line in early 2011, then declines, the spikes in 2012, and begins a decline....difficult to draw any conclusion.  Additionally "other" presumably covers all Android phones whether they are free ones or $300 ones

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iPhone share is only growing at AT&T, but the Verizon chart very clearly shows (unless you are blind) that iOS peaked between September and December 2012, but latest quarter shows iPhone numbers back to pre-holiday levels. Okay, what were those pre-holiday levels? Look at the line before the holiday - it pretty much hovers at the same level as the Android line. That shows flat growth of iOS overall at Verizon with a spike during the holidays - the rest of the graph is flat and post holiday shows a steep decline to pre-holiday levels.

So yes, iOS share is increasing at AT&T but looks to be flatlining with Android on Verizon.

But you're not taking into consideration the huge spikes the iPhone has while Android doesn't. The VZW graph does support my idea about India and Apple not letting the competition get entrenched.
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What's shocking to me is how there's no "bump" with an Android new product intro -- such as the SG3 -- in either ATT or VZW's graphs. Compare that to the massive spike when a new iPhone is introduced! Shocking, because one would not get that impression reading the tech news.

 

It's no wonder that these weasels don't put out actual shipment volumes or sales numbers.

 

Btw, where are all those gazillions of Android activations every day (that Rubin used to boast about) in these numbers?!lol.gif

 

It shouldn't really be shocking, when was the last time anyone saw people line up to buy any Android phone. The fact is that consumers aren't choosing Android phones, they're having them pushed on them by carrier salespeople because they don't understand the differences. The vocal few Android enthusiasts who haunt these forums are entirely atypical and a tiny minority.

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Groan. More bogus data. Thanks. Very persuasive. NOT.

Is it any wonder that nobody releases actual data besides Apple?

 

Apple has nothing to hide, and people try to second guess and knock down those actual, factual figures using inaccurate estimations, random drug fueled speculation and biased, bogus figures that people are merely pulling out of their butts?

 

Apple is the only one telling the truth. Everybody else pleads the fifth, and nobody finds that to be suspicious at all?

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So we compare the trend of one brand to the trend of several other brands regrouped. No wonder that there's no seasonal variation!
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Oh. Never mind! :)

 

Here (Canada) the model is slowly shifting from outright subsidy to more of a "financing" model. The big carriers still do things the old way, but the newer and/or smaller carriers "advance" a phone to you, for which you pay $X/month until it's paid off. There seems to be a limit to how much they'll float though, so more expensive phones require a lump payment up front.

And this is the way T-Mobile is going as well. Be interesting to see their numbers over the next year (especially if they combine with MetroPCS).

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WHat's bogus about that data?


It doesn't support his weltanschauung, therefore it's bogus.

 

It's the time honoured methodology employed by governments and politicians faced with inconvenient truths - attack the credibility of the messenger and try at all costs not to engage the message.

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[...] The fact is that consumers aren't choosing Android phones, they're having them pushed on them by carrier salespeople because they don't understand the differences.

 

The "fact" is that I can introduce you to a CROWD of Android users who would disagree with you. They do SO know the difference. They either don't care or prefer one key feature, like the kiss-to-share thing or the big screen or whatever. Or, like in the case of my daughter, her feature phone broke in the middle of a carrier contract and her carrier doesn't offer the iPhone. They gave her a Galaxy 3S for next to nothing, while getting her into an iPhone would have meant buying out her contract. She really doesn't seem to care, though. As far as she's concerned, voice is voice, SMS is SMS, Maps are Maps, the games she wants are available on both platforms, and with the Galaxy she gets a bigger screen. Apparently what matters to you or me doesn't necessarily resonate with everyone else.

 

 


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The vocal few Android enthusiasts who haunt these forums are entirely atypical and a tiny minority.

 

On that point we agree. The Android users I know did consciously choose it, some for perfectly valid reasons, some probably not, but I have no doubt that they would think debates like this are the absolutely HEIGHT of foolish geekery!

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It's clear; iPhone is a phone that people give as a gift to others or themselves. Android is a phone you (in most cases) get when you want a smart phone and don't have a big budget. My mother got a Galaxy phone for about $50 -- so no competing with that until Apple comes out with their low cost version. Then Galaxy is space-toast.
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Everybody else pleads the fifth, and nobody finds that to be suspicious at all?

Oh, I do.

 

I always thought I was the only one....

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