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A report on Thursday exposed a Chinese website that appears to be distributing pirated versions of iOS apps for free, with the system powered by Apple's own enterprise licensing technology.

First spotted by blog M.I.C. Gadget, Chinese website 7659.com allows iPhone and iPad owners to download and install popular iOS apps without going through the official App Store.

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English version of KuaiYong's website.


The website in question, 7659.com, is actually a Web portal of a desktop program called "KuaiYong," which poses as a bulk licensing authorization asset to distribute free software to users. The software first hit the Web in 2012, and the new site is supposedly meant to streamline app discovery and downloading by making titles accessible online instead of through a dedicated program. KuaiYong's desktop software is still needed to retrieve the pirated apps.

According to the publication, KuaiYong leverages Apple's enterprise app distribution system, which is intended to be used by corporations and institutions for the dissemination of internal apps to staff. The licensing protocol allows for basically unlimited app distribution once a developer provisioning profile has been granted by Apple. This tactic lets iPhone and iPad owners install pirated software without jailbreaking their device.

KuaiYong is essentially distributing one app, with one license, continuously to end users.

A follow-up report from VentureBeat took a closer look at the nefarious site and discovered KuaiYong, and by proxy 7659.com, appears to be owned by Beijing YouRanTianDi Technology Co Ltd.

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Website 7659.com as seen through a spoofed proxy server. | Source: VentureBeat


According to the KuaiYong website, the service is being branded as a helper tool for Chinese users unfamiliar with Apple's App Store:

First of all, we would like to thank all Apple users around the world and your support for Kuaiyong.

Statistics have shown that a significant amount of Apple users are Chinese based. However, the fact is that in China, a large number of Apple users are not very familiar with the iTunes system and how to effectively manage it.

In order for Chinese Apple fans to download applications securely, Kuaiyong developed its own method of giving users access to thousands of free apps without having to jailbreak their devices. Kuaiyong offers detailed descriptions of apps, free app download trial, IOS device management and visual and audio file backup system. IOS system backup and recovery features will also be released in the very near future.

Our goal has always been about bringing Chinese Apple users with quick, convenient and pleasant IOS experience. Since the introduce of Kuaiyong, the proportion of jailbreak in China has declined dramatically from 60% to around 30%. Kuaiyong will hold on to this goal in the future and we would like to see more support for Apple as well as Kuaiyong.


As for 7659.com, its pirated wares are not accessible outside of China as the proxy software is not supported internationally, though a spoofed IP address allows for perusal of the website.

M.I.C. Gadget says the team behind the operation is readying an international iteration of the program, with an English version coming to Windows users sometime soon. Currently, the service claims to have five million users in China.


Apple has yet to comment on the matter, though it is expected that the company will attempt to shut down the site as soon as possible.
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It seems like people in Asia have no conscience about stealing someone else's property. Doing so seems to be a common business practice and if a company makes a bunch of money off someone else's products they are praised instead of shamed for being a thief. Just look at Samesung as a prime example of a company that has for decades stolen products from other companies rarely if ever making any innovative product of their own but instead capitalizing on the research and development of others. Shame.

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It seems like people in Asia have no conscience about stealing someone else's property. Doing so seems to be a common business practice and if a company makes a bunch of money off someone else's products they are praised instead of shamed for being a thief. Just look at Samesung as a prime example of a company that has for decades stolen products from other companies rarely if ever making any innovative product of their own but instead capitalizing on the research and development of others. Shame.

About 25% of the world's countries are in Asia and they hold about 60% of the world's population. Are you really sure you want to make blanket statements that Asian's have no conscience?

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I hope that software works flawlessly, or Apple had better apologize!
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Now, now. Let's not blame China for this. You wouldn't want to get called a xenophobe by somebody who has no idea what they're talking about, now would you? 

 

China has virtually no time left or any resources to focus on piracy or counterfeit goods, especially when there are real, serious problems taking place in the world, such as obscene, hardcore pornography on the iOS appstore and those evil Apple warranties.lol.gif

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About 25% of the world's countries are in Asia and they hold about 60% of the world's population. Are you really sure you want to make blanket statements that Asian's have no conscience?

 

There is good evidence that the Koreans and the Chinese especially has no concept of "having a conscience." If you steal it fair and square, then it's yours. 

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I will say though that it's good that it's a Chinese site that exposed this. So not everything Chinese is bad, even though their government is beyond horrible.

 

I actually ordered something from M.I.C. gadget a long time ago, and the item I ordered arrived fine. I think that it was the first time that I ever ordered something directly from China on the internet. I also ordered a cool looking Steve Jobs doll a while ago from another place that was in China I think, but that got cancelled, though I did get a full refund.

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There is good evidence that the Koreans and the Chinese especially has no concept of "having a conscience." If you steal it fair and square, then it's yours. 

Fucking despicable. I am dumbfounded that anyone would claim that 20% of the world's population in just two countries have no concept of "having a conscious." Care to tell us why? Some Phrenological proof or the colour of their skin that you'd claim there is "good evidence" that 2 of the world's countries are populated with more than a billion people whom you deem sociopaths?
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post #9 of 90
Remember Japan is 98.5% Japanese and 1.5% other. S Korea is more than 99% Korean (people) And who would want to move to China.
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This is so blatant.

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There is good evidence that the Koreans and the Chinese especially has no concept of "having a conscience." If you steal it fair and square, then it's yours. 

Come on bro, lets keep it civil.  We are all Mac lovers here.  Well, apart from the trolls...  *squints at Ignore List*

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Fucking despicable. I am dumbfounded that anyone would claim that 20% of the world's population in just two countries have no concept of "having a conscious." Care to tell us why? Some Phrenological proof or the colour of their skin that you'd claim there is "good evidence" that 2 of the world's countries are populated with more than a billion people whom you deem sociopaths?

The original poster didn't say "They have no conscience," every human being has a conscience (I hope). He said they "... had no conscience about stealing other people's property," and if you think about it, China is no longer communist, but until very recently it was. And someone raised in a communist society might not take the concept of "private property" very seriously. They might even have been told in school that it was nonsense. They certainly wouldn't have the same instinct someone who has lived in a capitalist society their whole life has: when I hear "private property," I instantly subconsciously think "don't touch." I certainly hope the original comment was nothing to do with skin colour.

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There is good evidence that the Koreans and the Chinese especially has no concept of "having a conscience." If you steal it fair and square, then it's yours. 


It's a stupid way to put things. Chinese culture favors the copying of successful ways, and that's a perfectly reasonnable philosophy. It also favors strength and courage.

 

Let me remind you that in America, there is no real social welfare, or serious public health system. Why? Because people in America believe in egoism, and that if you fail it's your own fault. Europeans might find that a clear sign of having no conscience.

 

Don't compare other cultures with a given, logical set of values, based on your own culture's set of values, it doesn't work and makes you look stupid and intolerant.

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Yes, let's blame China, because that's where the blame lies. All Chinese are of course not so corrupt, and there is considerable dissent there. But read the recent report on China and the internet in The Economist (http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21574628-internet-was-expected-help-democratise-china-instead-it-has-enabled), and you'll likely be appalled at what's possible there - what's censored, what's allowed, and the kind of corrupt culture government policy is creating. And as far as this particular story is concerned, piracy there, especially of foreign material, is a business model, not a crime (despite official disclaimers), and someone in or close to the government is almost certainly lining their pockets with the profits.

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About 25% of the world's countries are in Asia and they hold about 60% of the world's population. Are you really sure you want to make blanket statements that Asian's have no conscience?

Read the OP carefully. He said no conscience about stealing somebody's property. Obviously, the OP meant intellectual property and this is a fact. Sorry to disappoint you.

Anybody dealing with and teaching Chinese students knows about rampant cheating on tests and examps. To ' borrow' somebody's results or copy pages and pages from somebody's writing is a norm. When caught, their don't even understand what they are being accused of.
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Fucking despicable. I am dumbfounded that anyone would claim that 20% of the world's population in just two countries have no concept of "having a conscious." Care to tell us why? Some Phrenological proof or the colour of their skin that you'd claim there is "good evidence" that 2 of the world's countries are populated with more than a billion people whom you deem sociopaths?

Oh come off it. I have literally just stepped off the plane from that region. Piracy is rife by comparison, that is just a plain fact. 

The person who wrote what you are replying to obviously does not think every damn asian pirates software, but by comparison to EU or North America there is no shadow of a doubt that when averaged out Asians love to pirate stuff!

 

Thailand in particular has made great moves in the last few years to curb piracy as they are a very creative nation, and have more and more of their own IP to protect. And other countries are slowly getting their act together as well. I speak with first hand experience, as have been around the world a fair few times and have seen it with my own eyes.

 

Plus, isn't what I am saying just damn obvious anyway? Do you really need to travel to these countries to draw this conclusion?! No.

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Anybody dealing with and teaching Chinese students knows about rampant cheating on tests and examps. To ' borrow' somebody's results or copy pages and pages from somebody's writing is a norm. When caught, their don't even understand what they are being accused of.

 

And all Americans are fat, right?

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China has virtually no time left or any resources to focus on piracy or counterfeit goods, especially when there are real, serious problems taking place in the world, such as obscene, hardcore pornography on the iOS appstore and those evil Apple warranties.lol.gif

That's absolutely not true. They have lots of resources to focus on piracy - when it's a Chinese company accusing Apple of having copyrighted products in the App Store. /s
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And all Americans are fat, right?

And all British people are Politically Correct marxist reality deniers.

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And all Americans are fat, right?

And all Brits can't read? Where did I say "all".?

And yes, obesity in the US is a common and well recognized problem and nobody is ashamed of discussing it and looking for a solution.
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And all Americans are fat, right?

Would that constitute cheating on their diets?
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That's absolutely not true. They have lots of resources to focus on piracy - when it's a Chinese company accusing Apple of having copyrighted products in the App Store. /s

 

Agree with this, it will be interesting to see the reaction.

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There is good evidence that the Koreans and the Chinese especially has no concept of "having a conscience." If you steal it fair and square, then it's yours. 


You really should stop talking now...

 

Samsung's lack of conscience and ethics is not a reflection of the Korean people.  Your racist comment really ticks me off and I'm not even Chinese or Korean.  One can only generalize the truth, that is, communism has no conscience as its members are atheist and have no sense of higher power we call God.  This cause them to do things that are threats to mankind.  This, however, doesn't make the entire race bad, just those who follow the regime for their own benefits.

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The original poster didn't say "They have no conscience," every human being has a conscience (I hope). He said they "... had no conscience about stealing other people's property," and if you think about it, China is no longer communist, but until very recently it was. And someone raised in a communist society might not take the concept of "private property" very seriously. They might even have been told in school that it was nonsense. They certainly wouldn't have the same instinct someone who has lived in a capitalist society their whole life has: when I hear "private property," I instantly subconsciously think "don't touch." I certainly hope the original comment was nothing to do with skin colour.

They said they have no conscience. It doesn't matter what they specifically said they have no conscience about the first one said this was Asia with the 2nd saying it's China and Korea. This is no different than any other sort of racism or bigotry.

Here are some classic examples:

Woman aren't good at business.
Blacks are subservient by nature.
Jews are greedy.

Then you have some people in pretty much every nation in the history of time making sweeping claims about other nations with no evidence.

Here are a couple comments by famous people. You tell me if they are racist and bigoted or simply speaking the truth:
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"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n*gger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."

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In Jefferson's defense he did worry that his perception of the slaves may be wrong and of all the presidents he was by far the most scientific in his pursuits, however that doesn't change the fact that what he said was wrong. What you et al. are saying about all of Asia and/or all of China and/or all of one or both Koreas is the same thing. You have deemed all the people a certain way based on limited experience and no scientific data. At least try to be objective before you make racist comments.

Or should we put all these "crafty by nature' Chinese and Koreans in the US in camps the way we did with the Japanese, deport or simple execute these unconscionable people?¡

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I understand the outrage about the seeming prejudice in calling the whole Chinese people thieves. The problem you are ignoring is the lack of outrage in China over the blatant theft of intellectual properties is an institutional part of Chinese government and culture. How can you not blame a collective group of people when their own institutions do not support honesty and property rights? If you want to show us the institutional and societal protection that we have some how missed then your outrage rings true. If not then you don't have a very good case for your outrage. You might notice that Americans have gone the extra mile giving many Chinese students and immigrants the benefit of the doubt, and hired them to work in sensitive science projects. We continue to do this even after recent arrests of Chinese nationals who have stolen intellectual property and research from American companies and government organizations. There is no prejudice that I am aware of that attaches to being of Chinese ancestry in America. The prejudice appears to be cultural rather than racial and that is a very different animal.
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…nobody is ashamed of discussing it and looking for a solution.


Well, except for the people who are actually fat. They're not really "looking for a solution", now are they? They know the solution. They just don't do it.


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I understand the outrage about the seeming prejudice in calling the whole Chinese people thieves. The problem you are ignoring is the lack of outrage in China over the blatant theft of intellectual properties is an institutional part of Chinese government and culture. How can you not blame a collective group of people when their own institutions do not support honesty and property rights?

 

This is basically what I was about to say.

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Oh come off it. I have literally just stepped off the plane from that region. Piracy is rife by comparison, that is just a plain fact. 
The person who wrote what you are replying to obviously does not think every damn asian pirates software, but by comparison to EU or North America there is no shadow of a doubt that when averaged out Asians love to pirate stuff!

Thailand in particular has made great moves in the last few years to curb piracy as they are a very creative nation, and have more and more of their own IP to protect. And other countries are slowly getting their act together as well. I speak with first hand experience, as have been around the world a fair few times and have seen it with my own eyes.

Plus, isn't what I am saying just damn obvious anyway? Do you really need to travel to these countries to draw this conclusion?! No.

1) You seeing piracy does not means that an entire continent or nation of people are bad code. You don't think others pirate software? You don't think people in other countries break the law? Start any bit torrent right now and see where the IP addresses are from. Surely you do but you haven't said anything that would disparage any other continent or nation on earth. You've isolate it to one area, which you call a region, which you then made further generalizations on. You think this is fair, why?

2) I've been around the world and I've tried to look at each place and culture objectively. There is piracy in China, but you can go to the streets of pretty much every major city and see the same thing. You can go anywhere to see justice failing. The only thing that appears to be unifying to al of man is a desire to push the envelope of what we can and can't get away with. That's it! It's that simple! That's why internet piracy is so common but selling illegal goods on the street has died off considerably in the US over the decades. Were we Americans bad code then?

3) What you and others could have said without looking like asshats isn't "The Chinese have no conscience" but rather "Laws in Chinese make it easier to get away with certain crimes." Let's remember laws are specifically created because man is not always capable of not doing what is deemed best for society. That makes us human... just as I accept I will run into closed-minded, bigoted assholes from to time that thing they are inherently better than billions of other people that don't know.

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Hopefully the Chinese government will come down hard on this Chinese site, just like they came down on Apple, when Chinese pirates distributed copyright material as their own App (huh?). If they don't, there's a whopping double standard going on here.
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Hopefully the Chinese government will come down hard on this Chinese site, just like they came down on Apple, when Chinese pirates distributed copyright material as their own App (huh?). If they don't, there's a whopping double standard going on here.

Historically this happens as a nation grows. We'll start to see more regulations (and enforcements) in place. I know of no other democratic nation that didn't go through what China is going through now, at some level. There will be mistakes made along the way but progress will be made so long as there are people that are willing to dream about a better future.

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They said they have no conscience. It doesn't matter what they specifically said they have no conscience about the first one said this was Asia with the 2nd saying it's China and Korea. This is no different than any other sort of racism or bigotry.

Here are some classic examples:

Woman aren't good at business.
Blacks are subservient by nature.
Jews are greedy.

Then you have some people in pretty much every nation in the history of time making sweeping claims about other nations with no evidence.

Here are a couple comments by famous people. You tell me if they are racist and bigoted or simply speaking the truth:

In Jefferson's defense he did worry that his perception of the slaves may be wrong and of all the presidents he was by far the most scientific in his pursuits, however that doesn't change the fact that what he said was wrong. What you et al. are saying about all of Asia and/or all of China and/or all of one or both Koreas is the same thing. You have deemed all the people a certain way based on limited experience and no scientific data. At least try to be objective before you make racist comments.

Or should we put all these "crafty by nature' Chinese and Koreans in the US in camps the way we did with the Japanese, deport or simple execute these unconscionable people?¡

 

I support what you're trying to do (pointing out racist attitudes to try and stop them), but when you deny the obvious - that piracy is more rife in certain parts of the world (I have seen the endless pirate DVD markets with my own eyes) - you discredit the cause that we both believe in. 
 
The way to end to racism is not to chide people for pointing out the obvious, but to say "Yes but." The "but" being that it's ideas that make people who they are, not their skin colour, and that in certain parts of the world bad ideas *may* have taken root for the moment, but ideas can change, and we must be careful not to associate people who look a certain way with certain ideas, we must talk to them and find out what they think as individuals before judging them.
 
Anyway I suspect Apple will put an end to this site in short order.
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1) You seeing piracy does not means that an entire continent or nation of people are bad code. You don't think others pirate software? You don't think people in other countries break the law? Start any bit torrent right now and see where the IP addresses are from. Surely you do but you haven't said anything that would disparage any other continent or nation on earth. You've isolate it to one area, which you call a region, which you then made further generalizations on. You think this is fair, why?

2) I've been around the world and I've tried to look at each place and culture objectively. There is piracy in China, but you can go to the streets of pretty much every major city and see the same thing. You can go anywhere to see justice failing. The only thing that appears to be unifying to al of man is a desire to push the envelope of what we can and can't get away with. That's it! It's that simple! That's why internet piracy is so common but selling illegal goods on the street has died off considerably in the US over the decades. Were we Americans bad code then?

3) What you and others could have said without looking like asshats isn't "The Chinese have no conscience" but rather "Laws in Chinese make it easier to get away with certain crimes." Let's remember laws are specifically created because man is not always capable of not doing what is deemed best for society. That makes us human... just as I accept I will run into closed-minded, bigoted assholes from to time that thing they are inherently better than billions of other people that don't know.

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I wonder, the planet you live on, are all horses that high?

Says the guy who looks down on over 1 billion people.

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I support what you're trying to do (pointing out racist attitudes to try and stop them), but when you deny the obvious - that piracy is more rife in certain parts of the world (I have seen the endless pirate DVD markets with my own eyes) - you discredit the cause that we both believe in. 
 
The way to end to racism is not to chide people for pointing out the obvious, but to say "Yes but." The "but" being that it's ideas that make people who they are, not their skin colour, and that in certain parts of the world bad ideas *may* have taken root for the moment, but ideas can change, and we must be careful not to associate people who look a certain way with certain ideas, we must talk to them and find out what they think as individuals before judging them.
 
Anyway I suspect Apple will put an end to this site in short order.

1) I don't deny there is piracy. You deny the obvious by making sweeping implications that an entire group of people are naturally predisposed to certain crimes. You have denied that it is rampant in every country... or does internet piracy not count?

2) There is no "Yes but." There is no valid argument to say that an entire continent of people have lower morals than others. I have no idea where you and others who are making these bigoted comments reside. Just like piracy, it's everywhere.

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"One can only generalize the truth, that is, communism has no conscience as its members are atheist and have no sense of higher power we call God.  This cause them to do things that are threats to mankind."
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Stop repeating the fallacy that belief in a deity is a prerequisite for morality. There are atheists who choose to be good simply for goodness sake without the threat of eternal damnation, as there are those who claim to be pious that do not act morally regardless.
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1) I don't deny there is piracy. You deny the obvious by making sweeping implications that an entire group of people are naturally predisposed to certain crimes. You have denied that it is rampant in every country... or does internet piracy not count?

2) There is no "Yes but." There is no valid argument to say that an entire continent of people have lower morals than others. I have no idea where you and others who are making these bigoted comments reside. Just like piracy, it's everywhere.

I don't believe in "natural predisposition." I believe our bodies are controlled by our minds, and what our minds do depends on what ideas they contain, and that we learn all our ideas after we are born, from people and books etc, we are not born with any. Since we are not born with any innate ideas, "natural predisposition" is BS.

 

I also believe that our moral perspective (not just our factual perspective) is a function of our ideas. One person can be raised on Jane Austin and another on Mein Kampf. And also, there is no reason to believe that ideas would be uniformly distributed across the world. Why would they be? There are myriad influences, historical and otherwise why people in one part of the world might believe things different to another part. If one village learns something, some new scientific theory, but there is a big mountain between them and the next village, conceivably that idea might never be transmitted.

 

So given all this (that morality is a function of ideas, and that ideas are not evenly distributed geographically), there is absolutely a valid argument to say that an entire continent of people might have different morals.

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Wow, X, you’re amazing! You’re so hell-bent on being a good, bias-free person - the best, fairest boy in the land - that you’ve become a fanatical foul-mouthed knee-jerk demagogue who, above all, has no idea, or even a consistent argument. “It’s not true” becomes “others do, too” becomes “it’s understandable (and thus excusable) because they’re evolving” becomes “their hearts are in the right place”, all blustered under the heading of “all of you are bigots”. Your name suggests that you believe that nothing else exists beyond your own mind, and your behaviour demonstrates your conviction that your mind, shifty as it is, is the only reasonable arbiter of anything. I suggest you may be mistaken. May I also suggest thinking before putting your mind in gear and your fingers on the keyboard.


Edited by gbdoc - 4/19/13 at 9:09am
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I can hardly remember a day going by when there isn't some news about the thieving Chinese................ thieving! They are terrorists without bombs.

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According to family and extended family, a Chinese national corporate attorney residing in Shanghai, a dual-citizen financial analyst of Taiwan/U.S. residing in Beijing, and several in the Taiwan computer tech industry (all holding dual citizenships), on the Chinese mainland it goes significantly beyond "laws in Chinese make it easier to get away with certain crimes." It is endemic within the Chinese culture raised under communist rule that the rest of the western world "owes them." This is true in many, if not all, business transactions, and particularly evident towards Chinese not raised under Communist rule. Among them and their associates, they concur that it will likely evolve/improve, but for now they claim to see much higher levels (than in the U.S.) of (and tolerance towards) piracy, corruption, and embezzlement. Cash, through surreptitious means, is heavily flowing from business kickbacks (controlled by Party members, but ending up in private accounts) into western real estate, coal mines, and coke facilities (for making concrete). One of the family in SoCal real estate was befriended and courted to be a conduit in one of these operations that is funneling millions per month from communist coffers.

Political correctness has its place, but so does reality.
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