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Personally, I have always been a major fan of Ocelot. Lynx is just way too darn close to Linux and I could see a whole boat-load of anal-ysts stating as such. (As an aside, take said boat-load into the Pacific ocean and drop them off somewhere where they can do no more harm; like Gilligan's Island) I can imagine Ocelot because it is very sleek and nimble. Here is a picture for reference:



Unfortunately, it does look a little skittish (kinda like my cats, who are both Maine Coon kitties)



One other thing, I think tighter iCloud integration will happen. What that entails, I am not sure, but I am certain that they are going to do it. I think that they might actually try to bring touch to OS X as well (but that is a very long shot).

Other than that, I can't think of anything else that they can possibly do to it.

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You don't send an iWork document from Mail...

 

You send it from the Share menu in iWork.

 

I can open any email client from my computer, click attach, open a dropbox folder, and attach anything I've stored.  What is the reason for iCloud not having this functionality?  I can update my documents on google docs on my phone, turn on my computer, click on Drive and it's right there in front of me.  Both dropbox and google docs (whose interface admittedly blows...but it works so I use it for all my work) do this on any device, any computer.  When iCloud does this, I'll use it.  Edit: It's not as though I'm cheering for the "other guys"...but lack of functionality is simply that.

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It's really not an issue. As that chart shows they've used synonyms for the same species before. It's really about what sounds good.

That said, putting iOS and OS X together into one event does lean toward even more unification between the two OSes. This is a good thing as iOS grew from the foundations of OS X and OS X has never been better by adopting elements from iOS. It also helps that iPhone and iPad users can move to a Mac and instantly understand many aspects of it with little to no training even if they've only ever used Windows. This continuing linking between the two OSes makes me think Lynx might be an ideal name for OS X 10.9.

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How would you pronounce xOS? The X in OS X is pronounced 'ten' not 'ex'

You want to pronounce it, too? You people are so demanding¡ 1biggrin.gif

As I stated, I like the way it looks.

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I think aside from the cat name "debacle" the real problem Apple has, is that OS X itself is a huge brand for them.  This means that they can't really switch to "OS XI" because that would be meaningless and destroy the brand while at the same time replacing it with nothing special.  There is a public perception that after "10.10" they have to change to something else however.  They either have to create a totally new brand to replace OS X, or just move ahead with 10.11, 10.12, 10.13, change the cats to something else, and then try to forget about the fact that the whole mess is awkward and silly looking/sounding.

 

First, I don't know what "public perception" you're referring to that would demand a change of the "OS X" branding when they get to version 10.10. I suspect that the largest amount of the public doens't really know or care or think about version numbers all that much.

 

Second, the .8, .9, .10 thing could go on for a long time. The major version number (before the dot) indicates the major generation of the OS and as long is this is still considered the 10th generation on Mac OS, the "X" could stay.

 

Third, while it's true that "OS X" used to mean "OS 10", it seems, that has kinda morphed into a more generic "OS X" (as in OS ex, not 10). So, perhaps, it has just become a name and the roman number is meaningless.

 

Finally, I think Apple could move away from using numbers (a la OS 8, OS 9, OS X) altogether.

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The X in OS X is pronounced 'ten' not 'ex'

 

Not by about half the people I run into.

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How about keeping iOS as it is and renaming Mac OS X as the iOS Development Platform?¡


Seriously though, why rename them at all. I quite like OS X as a brand but if they have to rename it I'd like to see xOS and iOS. I just like the way those look.

 

I think the why lies in simply brand streamlining and unification.

 

I don't know if it's a good idea or not. It certainly would have some drawbacks (possible confusion). My guess is it would actually have more benefits (including, possibly, less confusion to the average consumer.)

 

It would also suggest something of a unification and streamlining of the entire product line to reflect a set of products that are all part of a seamless and cohesive whole.

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Not by about half the people I run into.

 

Isn't that usually the case, though? On any given issue, half the people are wrong.

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Third, while it's true that "OS X" used to mean "OS 10", it seems, that has kinda morphed into a more generic "OS X" (as in OS ex, not 10). So, perhaps, it has just become a name and the roman number is meaningless.

 

I have always referred to it as OS X (pronounced "ex") however it seems Apple's official pronunciation is "ten" as demonstrated in this recent video:

 

http://www.apple.com/osx/#video

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Isn't that usually the case, though? On any given issue, half the people are wrong.

 

Well I can't comment on the statistics about half the people being wrong on any given issue, the real thing here is that "right" or "wrong" is less important here than perceptions. Brands and marketing are about perceptions of the customer (and prospective customers) and overall market. Either way, Apple could easily streamline and get away from any confusion by just switching to iOS for everything.

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I have always referred to it as OS X (pronounced "ex") however it seems Apple's official pronunciation is "ten" as demonstrated in this recent video:

 

http://www.apple.com/osx/#video

 

Understood. But I'm thinking more about the perception of the average person or user.

 

Personally, I just wish they'd drop the "X" (and the NFL would do away with the fucking Roman numerals too!)

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Personally, I just wish they'd drop the "X" (and the NFL would do away with the fucking Roman numerals too!)

Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business, but X is cool. It is sort of "digital".

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Well I can't comment on the statistics about half the people being wrong on any given issue, the real thing here is that "right" or "wrong" is less important here than perceptions. Brands and marketing are about perceptions of the customer (and prospective customers) and overall market. Either way, Apple could easily streamline and get away from any confusion by just switching to iOS for everything.

 

Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.

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Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business, but X is cool. It is sort of "digital".

 

Yeah the "X" was kinda cool. But I think it's time has passed.

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Unfortunately, it does look a little skittish (kinda like my cats, who are both Maine Coon kitties)


 

 

I adore Maine Coons. Not sure your cat looks much like an Ocelot, though.

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Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.

 

Which is all the more argument to streamline into one.

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The fact that Apple had its second-best March quarter in history was overshadowed by his revealing that we have about 6 months to wait for new product news.

Endemic to an entitlement society. If Jesus changed water into wine today, tomorrow people would ask for Coke Zero.

 

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Ocelot or Lynx, perhaps Bobcat. All the commonly known big cats are taken already. Apple might have to abandon the cat naming soon.

I sure hope so. It was cute at one point. I feels like it's time to move on.

 

It's better than the Linux habit of random alliteration (new version Incontinent Icthyosaurus!) or Windows Appendation Advance 64.

 

Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.

 

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 Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business.

 

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Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.

 

Yeah. Colors are definitely tricky. I just thought something like that might be kinda cool and fun and friendly.

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Not by about half the people I run into.

I say Ex. I know it's officially pronounced Ten but I like the way Ex sounds more.

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It's better than the Linux habit of random alliteration (new version Incontinent Icthyosaurus!) or Windows Appendation Advance 64.

 

Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.

They have probably done some focus group studies of various user types. I think people like named product versions rather than just numbers. The thing with the cats is they only use big cats that are powerful. There are plenty of other cats and they are all predatory, just not as impressive as a lion or tiger. 

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That said, putting iOS and OS X together into one event does lean toward even more unification between the two OSes. This is a good thing as iOS grew from the foundations of OS X and OS X has never been better by adopting elements from iOS. It also helps that iPhone and iPad users can move to a Mac and instantly understand many aspects of it with little to no training even if they've only ever used Windows. This continuing linking between the two OSes makes me think Lynx might be an ideal name for OS X 10.9.

We can only hope, for there is a lot more unification that would be worthwhile to have. Personally I'd like:

Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).

I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.

PS: while we are on unification topic, isn't it about time they unify our dam Apple IDs? iTunes just turned 10 and it still doesn't just work...
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I am soooo excited and frightened.  Also, worried

 

Hehe, lol.

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I wonder whether the next version of OS X will run on an early 2008 Macbook Pro. Because ML runs beautifully on it.

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I wonder whether the next version of OS X will run on an early 2008 Macbook Pro. Because ML runs beautifully on it.

 

I get the feeling that they'll leave us in the lurch.

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We can only hope, for there is a lot more unification that would be worthwhile to have. Personally I'd like:

Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).

I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.

 

I agree. I suspect some (or  most) of those will happen (at least over time.) Apple is banking on making their products a "sticky ecosystem" and that kind of unification will help a lot.

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Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.


Exactly. I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.

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I get the feeling that they'll leave us in the lurch.

 

 

But there might be a way to get it to run anyway.   ?

 

I read somewhere during the pre-release stages of ML that folks got it to run (or were trying to) on "unsupported" Macs. 

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If it's called OS X 10.9, I predict the codename Cougar.

 

If they have the balls to call your tablet the iPad, then you'd would easily call their cat release Cougar. And given that nobody would expect them to use that name that's even more a reason to believe they will use it.

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But there might be a way to get it to run anyway.   ?

 

I read somewhere during the pre-release stages of ML that folks got it to run (or were trying to) on "unsupported" Macs. 

 

Never mind. Answered my own question. There are workarounds, and some of them aren't that difficult. I imagine, worst case, the workarounds will also be there for the next version. 

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Personally I'd like:

Unified Clock/Alarm across all OS X and iOS devices.
Unified Do Not Disturb across... (plus allow me to set DND for specific events in my Calendar in addition to what they already have).
Unified Book/PDF reader across... (and synced through iCloud).
Unified iWork/iLife across... (i.e. include feature parity to the iOS apps so the syncing works properly).
Unified Safari across... (i.e. add in extensions to mobile Safari so that I can finally have the identical experience on either platform).

I don't know if any of these will happen, and they probably would require that I upgrade my iOS devices, but here's to hoping.

PS: while we are on unification topic, isn't it about time they unify our dam Apple IDs? iTunes just turned 10 and it still doesn't just work...

 

I second the unified account, and enabling Game Center by default. A first-party OS X ebook reader is also overdue.

Clock alarms would be difficult since OS X standby mode is different from iOS standby. Maybe they could build on Power Nap, but that doesn't apply to desktop Macs.

Do Not Disturb is already in the OS X notification center; it should be easy to give iOS the same swipe-revealed toggle.

Mobile Safari extensions could be interesting, but some of them can be accomplished with bookmarklets (which sync across Safaris via iCloud), and the Youtube/Amazon/IMDB clean layout extensions would not be necessary. If I could just edit the iOS hosts file, that would prevent Facebook from tracking me and building a shadow profile.

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I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.

Skip the dialog by opening text files directly, via Spotlight, Finder, or right-click the Textedit dock icon and look in the Recents menu. Textedit also doesn't bring up the dialog if you previously Quit with at least one document open.

 
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If it's called OS X 10.9, I predict the codename Cougar.

If they have the balls to call your tablet the iPad, then you'd would easily call their cat release Cougar. And given that nobody would expect them to use that name that's even more a reason to believe they will use it.

True. People even got over "Nintendo Wii."

MS bloggers and Joy of Tech will snark on the low hanging fruit as usual, and the world moves on.

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Do Not Disturb is already in the OS X notification center; it should be easy to give iOS the same swipe-revealed toggle.

It is? How do you access it? I can't find anything in the system preferences or any where else for that matter not to alert or notify me for preset time periods. Rather I'd have to turn off all my apps in notification center during that preset time, and turn every back on after, which is quite a long and annoying process. There should be a DND preference pane in the system preferences.
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OSX Kitteh.  Never been used, and will lower expectations to market norm.  

Don't you mean market nom?

 

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How would you pronounce xOS? The X in OS X is pronounced 'ten' not 'ex'

 

The trouble is that while tech weenies of all stripes and the core Mac faithful have pounded this fact home for years … most people still won't look at an "X" and see a "10."  

 

Regardless of the fact that yes it's "supposed" to represent a "10," the brand is still "OS X" and all the packaging for years and years has featured the "X" as the main design element. 

 

I'm incredibly ancient myself and I remember Roman Numerals being an afterthought in grade school that the majority of the class didn't get and didn't like.  Anyone younger than 30 or so probably didn't get Roman Numerals in school at all, let alone all the kids and adults from other countries.  

 

There's what it's supposed to be, and there's what most people see it as.  You can't fight perception.   Just like most people think of Apple computers as "Macs" even though they should really be "Apples."  

 

To answer your question ... just like most folks already say "Oh-Ess-Ex" and "Eye-Oh-Ess," xOS would be pronounced "Ex-Oh-Ess"

 

It was just a suggestion anyway.  My main point was that I believe that an inescapable re-branding of some sort is on the horizon.  

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Exactly. I don't even remember what version of the OS my Mac runs. It is cool for a couple of months of showing off to friends using the cool name, then it's back to getting pissed because TextEdit takes so long to launch because a dialog pops with the iCloud option when I just want to open a local file.

 

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What does this have to do with anything?

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This point should have been featured in Tim Cook's remarks yesterday.

The fact that Apple had its second-best March quarter in history was overshadowed by his revealing that we have about 6 months to wait for new product news.

If you watched after-hours trading, the financial results drove the price up around $25,and then the "no news until fall" comment wiped out the gain and started the bloodbath. The cynic in me would say that when you are announcing the biggest stock buyback in history, it doesn't hurt to get the shares at a very low price.

Yes, I noticed that, too... As the question and [non] answer period progressed, the dropping share price seemed to reflect lack of specific answers.

I know that the earnings call is not the forum for product announcements -- but in some cases, "no comment" is the best answer. You must avoid setting expectations too high -- and setting them too low!

I am getting tired of Time Cook saying things like:
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That said, I understand that there may be "technology" issues with new hardware (yield, availability, etc).

However there are things Apple could be announcing and delivering, RSN.

iWork OS X hasn't had a major upgrade since '09 -- it should be upgraded to include the features needed to do what 80% of MS Office users need... Then the iOS equivalents should be brought into feature parity with the OS X versions. Thus, Apple could pre-empt Office on iOS and negate the [only] appeal of MS Surface tablets.

iLife OS X hasn't had a major upgrade since '11 -- it should be upgraded too, then the iOS equivalents brought into feature parity.

The Aperture and Logic pro apps are due for upgrade.

Apple Maps should be fleshed out with better POI data, satellite maps, and 3D Flyover.

iCloud needs a DropBox-like file access/sharing feature.

Some of the os-related software upgrades could be announced & released at WWDC...

But, the others have been just "twisting in the wind"...

I am quite surprised that Tim Cook (unlike Steve Jobs) doesn't always have some new "announcements" in his back pocket -- to release to keep the market buzzing about Apple!

"Amazing stuff" in the "pipeline" -- just doesn't cut it!
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Ocelot or Lynx, perhaps Bobcat. All the commonly known big cats are taken already. Apple might have to abandon the cat naming soon.

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What does this have to do with anything?

 

Sorry it was in response to pt123, forgot to quote initially. He complained about TextEdit being slow to open

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