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Thread Starter 

Please use this thread to expose the ongoing threats of Islam.

 

If you are a muslim, please also use this thread to fully condemn the actions of those who are using fear and violence to spread and enforce your religion.

 

 

I'll start off with why some people are asking that some mosques in the US be closed and all be more closely monitored. Here's the story of a few such mosques in the USA. I should warn you, it makes for some pretty disturbing reading -

 

 

"Islamic Society of Boston (two mosques, one in Cambridge and one in Boston)

 

 

  • Founded by Abdulrahman Alamoudi, who served as its first president. He is now in prison for financing al-Qaeda.
  • Aafia Siddiqui attended this mosque. She is now serving an 86-year-sentence for plotting a jihad attack in New York City, and firing at military officers and FBI agents when under arrest.
  • Tarek Mehanna attended this mosque. He is now serving 17 years in prison for conspiring to aid al-Qaeda.
  • Ahmad Abousamra attended this mosque. He was Mehanna's co-conspirator. He fled to Syria and is wanted by the FBI.
  • Jamal Badawi of Canada was a former trustee of the Islamic Society of Boston Trust. He was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation Hamas terror funding trial.
  • Yusuf al Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader who has praised Hitler and called on Muslims to finish his work, was a mosque trustee and has addressed congregants via recorded video message to raise money for the Boston mosque.
  • Yasir Qadhi, who lectured at the Boston mosque in April 2009, has advocated replacing U.S. democracy with Islamic rule and called Christians "filthy" polytheists whose "life and prosperity … holds no value in the state of Jihad."
  • Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon jihad bombers, attended the Cambridge mosque.

The Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, Fairfax County, Virginia.

 

  • The Saudi-backed North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), a Muslim Brotherhood group, bought the mosque's grounds in 1983.
  • Mohammed al-Hanooti, the mosque's imam from 1995-1999, was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
  • Anwar al-Awlaki, the mosque's imam from 2001-2002, has extensive contact with three 9/11 hijackers, the Fort Hood jihad murderer, and the Christmas underwear bomber.
  • Johari Abdul-Malik, the mosque's director of outreach from 2002 to the present, has defended Abdulrahman Alamoudi, who is in prison for financing al-Qaeda.
  • Ahmed Omar Abu Ali taught Islamic studies and was a camp counselor at the mosque; he is now in prison for plotting to assassinate President George W. Bush.
  • Shaker Elsayed, the mosque's imam from 2005 to the present, was Secretary General of the Muslim American Society, a Muslim Brotherhood group.
  • Nidal Malik Hasan, the Fort Hood jihad mass murderer, attended this mosque.
  • Abdelhaleem Hasan Abdelraziq Ashqar, a member of the mosque's Executive Committee, was convicted in November 2007 of contempt and obstruction of justice for refusing to testify regarding Hamas, and received an eleven-year prison sentence.

Noor Mosque, Columbus, Ohio

 

  • The leader of the mosque, Dr. Hany Saqr, was previously an imam for another area mosque which at that time was the base of operations for the largest known Al-Qaeda cell in the U.S. since 9/11, including convicted jihadists Iyman Faris, Nuradin Abdi, and Christopher Paul. Saqr is one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America.
  • Dr. Salah Sultan was the mosque's unofficial scholar in residence. A protégé of Qaradawi, Sultan is now in the Middle East and has appeared on Egyptian television approvingly quoting the genocidal hadith about how the end times will not come until Muslims kill Jews, and previously appeared at events in support of Hamas and Qaradawi.
  • The Noor Center has been directly linked to the Somali Muslims who have gone from the U.S. back to Somali for jihad terror training.
  • Siraj Wahhaj, a friend of the Blind Sheikh and a potential unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, has spoken at the Noor Mosque.
  • Mosque members threatened the life of Rifqa Bary, a teenage girl who left Islam for Christianity.

 

 

AFDI stands for:

  • The freedom of speech – as opposed to Islamic prohibitions of "blasphemy" and "slander," which are used effectively to quash honest discussion of jihad and Islamic supremacism;
  • The freedom of conscience – as opposed to the Islamic death penalty for apostasy;
  • The equality of rights of all people before the law – as opposed to Sharia's institutionalized discrimination against women and non-Muslims."

 ~  http://news.yahoo.com/afdi-calls-closure-mosques-breed-jihad-terror-080000286.html;_ylt=Aq75l9r2Bv53Qeu380ByN4IEKekE;_ylu=X3oDMTRlODdnZTN0BG1pdANUb3BTdG9yaWVzIFBvbGl0aWNzIFByZXNzUmVsZWFzZXNTU0YEcGtnA2Y5MWU4M2EzLTJjZGUtMzAyNS05YjI5LWZhZDlmY2YyNDkyNARwb3MDMQRzZWMDdG9wX3N0b3J5BHZlcgMxYzE4MDQzMC1iMGEzLTExZTItYmZiZS0yZDhjMmFmNjMzMGQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTJvNHBlZWFuBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANwb2xpdGljc3xwcmVzc3JlbGVhc2VzBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QDTjRVX2hvbWVydW5hcGk-;_ylv=3

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

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While I definitely don't like where this borderline Islamophobia is going, there really is only one religion that comics & cartoonists are legitimately and for good reason afraid to make fun of.  

 

Very NSFW Link:  The Onion painted the picture pretty clearly here.  Nobody was killed over this image.

 

 

Warning: NSFW (Click to show)

WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christas both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.

 

 

Islamic extremists do kill.  But let's also not forget that more mainstream Christians kill, too--just often more slowly and insidiously through bullying gays into committing suicide.  

 

Hands, though, tread lightly with what has the appearances of an Islamic witch hunt.  We don't need to alienate folks who haven't been radicalized.  It won't help anyone.  I mean, this thread title alone is pretty fucking inflammatory--and I think I know a thing or two about inflammatory titles, to be perfectly frank.


Edited by BR - 4/29/13 at 10:33pm

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan
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BR, it's better for everyone to be informed about what's going on. If Christian's were doing these things, the Christians who found them against their values should become well informed. If a Christian knew that bullying gays was common in their religion and that could lead to suicide out of despair, then good Christians would do their best with an extra impetus to stop bullies. I'm sure you would rather we look closely at the aggression towards gays, than fear offending Christians and therefore sweeping it under the carpet. 

 

I think what you are concerned about with my posts is that it might encourage people to hate muslims and Islam, by giving only a negative view of them. That though is not my intention and I think the exact opposite is more likely to happen if what's happening is better understood. There is no doubt that the vast number of muslims in the UK and US are peaceful and want to make a positive contribution to society in the countries they live, which they do and we're all better off for it. Unfortunately though, especially in the UK, there is a growing number of radical muslims. They want to impose their religion in very harsh and brutal ways. The numbers are extremely concerning for young muslims in the UK, who are far more radical than any previous generations of muslims. This is a very real problem, and unless it's tackled will lead to far more hatred. Sitting back and not speaking out will not make the problem go away. 

 

I have friends who think that there haven't been any terrorist attempts except the shoe bomber, since 9/11 and 7/7. They just haven't read about it, and yet some of them read the news pretty often. It is by better understanding how the radicalisation takes place, the extent of the problem and how things are getting worse or better, that we can actually deal responsibly with the threats we face. 

 

Here's an article in the UK's Telegraph today. It shows how dangerous things are becoming-

 

 

"Islamist extremists admit planning gun and bomb attack on far-right EDL rally

Six Muslim terrorists have admitted planning to attack a rally by the far-right English Defence League with homemade bombs, guns and knives.

 

The plot, last summer, only failed by sheer luck because the Jihadist group turned up too late and the rally had already finished.

And they were only caught by another stroke of luck because an error by one of the terrorists when taking out car insurance led to one of their vehicles being stopped by a traffic officer as they returned home.

Even then, the car, loaded with homemade bombs, weapons and a letter attacking the Queen and detailing the plot, sat in pound for two days before the terror cache was discovered.

Jewel Uddin, 27, Omar Khan, 28, Mohammed Hasseen, 23, Mohammed Saud, 22, Zohaib Kamran Ahmed, 22, and Anzal Hussain, 24, all from Birmingham, today admitted intending to commit acts of terrorism."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10027237/Islamist-extremists-admit-planning-gun-and-bomb-attack-on-far-right-EDL-rally.html

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #4 of 342
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Originally Posted by BR View Post

 

But let's also not forget that more mainstream Christians kill, too--just often more slowly and insidiously through bullying gays into committing suicide.  

 

Hands, though, tread lightly with what has the appearances of an Islamic witch hunt.  We don't need to alienate folks who haven't been radicalized.  It won't help anyone.  I mean, this thread title alone is pretty fucking inflammatory--and I think I know a thing or two about inflammatory titles, to be perfectly frank.

 

Don't be a hypocrite. You've already started a thread on this and now are spamming your hateful prejudice across multiple threads.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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A quiz for our resident Islamophobe(s)? No names mentioned of course....

 

 

So, with a considerable proportion of well-known incidents of Muslim alleged terrorism on US soil being a product of FBI entrapment and framing (even acknowledged by the New York Times and other mainstream media outlets), here is a multiple choice history test involving a random sample of high profile violent incidents around the world and on US soil. See how well you know your history:

 

a. The Egyptian Air Force

b. The Israeli Air Force 

c. The Palestine Liberation Organization's Air Force

d. The Flying Spaghetti Monster

e. A flying saucer

 

d. Agents working for Col. Muammar Gadhafi

 

a. Hamas

d. Eric Rudolph

c. Harry Potter

d. Saeed Ahmed

e. The New Zealand swimming team

 

a. Asif Zaheer Abbas

b. Osama bin Laden

c. The Klingons

d. Luis Posada Carriles and other anti-Castro Cubans, friends of the Bush family 

e. Mohammed Ali

 

a. Al Qaeda

b. Al Gore

c. Christian Phalange militias loyal to Israel, with the aid of the Israeli Defense Forces

d. Jamaican bus drivers with elastic sided boots

 

a. Gulbuddin Hekmatyr 

b. Anders Breivik (neoconservative admirer)

 

c. The Australian Olympic Shooting team

d. The NRA

e. Acorn

 

a. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols

b. Muslims Against Weather Modification

c. The Weathermen

d. The Gay Agenda

e. Unknown others

 

a. The Muslims  

b. The Socialists

c. The Red Brigades

d.  Operation Gladio - CIA and other US and Italian government entities

 

a. Euskadi Ta Eskatasuna

b. Mujahideen e-Khalq

b. The FBI

c. The Animal Liberation Front

d. The Islamic tornado chase militia

 

a. A white guy, perhaps others

b. One or more Iranians

c. The Gay Agenda

d. The Afghan Mujahadin 

e. Chechen revolutionaries

 

a. Abu Nidal

b. Mohammed Mossadegh

c. White Christian males within the FBI, in order to frame Muslim patsies

d. Iraqi terrorists under Saddam Hussein

e. Godzilla

 

a. Muslims for a United Ireland Inc.

b. White Roman Catholic men (aided financially by US based NORAID and Rep Peter King (R, NY)).

c. Rogue members of the British Antarctic Survey

d. The Guinness Liberation Front

e. Anti war activists

 

a. White Christian men in positions of power

b. Stone throwing Palestinian kids

 

c. aliens

 

a. Armies of the Vatican

b. Genghis Khan

c. Attila the Hun

d. Attila the Stockbroker

e. Hannibal

 

a. James Eagan Holmes

b. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

b. The Spanish Inquisition

d. The Anti Defamation League

e. The Tamil Tigers

 

15. On September 11, 2001, for two hours, 4 commandeered commercial planes roamed the sky totally unchallenged before crashing, under the watchful eye of the most sophisticated military-security-intelligence-law enforcement apparatus in human history. In the aftermath, the NeoConservatives in the Bush Administration got broad public support for the agenda they craved, and nobody was as much as fired for their part in the worst ever breakdown of national security in US history. The "investigation" was stonewalled for 441 days by the White House, was then "set up to fail", and in consequence we lost many of our liberties to big intrusive government, without question or challenge. The attack was perpetrated by:

 

a) 19 first-timer hijackers, all on their own, armed with box-cutters, whose "best" pilot was barely able to control a Cessna in level flight, while all "evidence" against them was all single-sourced, had no verifiable chain of custody, or was extracted by torture.

b) a small group of (19?) highly trained professionals within the US (or some other nation's) military/intelligence community, with privileged access, information, influence, top security clearances and expertise in black operations 

 

c) 19 Mexican gardeners armed with leaf blowers

d) 19 unknowns

e) Mossad

f) Saudi Arabians

g) Iranians

h) Iraqis

i) Palestinians

j) Pot smokers

k) The League of Angry Lighthouse keepers 

l) The Eskimo Liberation Front

 

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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@sammi. Why do you think the terrorists say they want to carry out terrorist attacks and then only let the governments they say they want to harm, do it? Lucky terrorists or something?

 

 

Now back to reality.

 

 

I posted this earlier in another thread but it fits well into this one too-

 

"Women in the UK fought hard not to be the property of their husbands. Sharia law in the UK for muslims, seemed like it would offer a good way for muslims to be free to live according to their faith without breaking UK laws. The problem is that now a lot of muslims aren't getting official marriages under UK law. Instead their getting married under Sharia Law, so legally their not even considered to be married. The man can take numerous wives and can end the divorce fairly quickly and easily. A woman though has a much harder time being granted a divorce. The courts are all governed by men. The man can take everything in a divorce and give the wife, or wives, nothing. He can not only do that, but the woman must give her dowery, (everything she brought into the marriage like a house, assets etc) to her husband. The man doesn't have to pay the Sharia court anything for the divorce, but the fee for women is £400, which is about $600. If the woman can't pay, they will lower this amount.

 

There are real problems allowing this kind of prejudice against women. Whilst it's important to respect people's religion, we're seeing a large population of people effectively living outside of the laws that we have to protect peoples rights, including those of children.

- An article on this topic- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html

 

As far as I'm aware the following is not common, but it shows just how damaging having separate unofficial laws can be-

 

"This disturbing trend has been highlighted this week by revelations that, during an undercover investigation, two imams from Islamic centres, one based in Peterborough, the other in East London, expressed their willingness to marry an under-age Muslim girl — aged just 12 — to a man in his 20s under the aegis of Sharia law.

 

It is right, of course, that we respect freedom of religion, but surely not when basic laws and morality are being flouted in this way. It is reported that one of the imams, in trying to justify his actions, said that he would not have married the girl unless she had given her consent.

 

But a 12-year-old cannot consent to a marriage. It is precisely because children lack the experience, judgment and maturity to make such decisions that we have laws against marriage and sex under the age of 16."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202991/Sharia-marriages-girls-12-religious-courts-subverting-British-law.html

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

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Quote:

 

a. Euskadi Ta Eskatasuna

b. Mujahideen e-Khalq

b. The FBI

c. The Animal Liberation Front

d. The Islamic tornado chase militia

 

 

Technically I believe this was the ATF, though I may be wrong. The same crew that murdered a mother holding her baby at Ruby Ridge.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post

 

 

 

Technically I believe this was the ATF, though I may be wrong. The same crew that murdered a mother holding her baby at Ruby Ridge.

Thank you so much for helping sammijo derail this thread. I'll remember that the next time you start one.

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

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Thank you so much for helping sammijo derail this thread. I'll remember that the next time you start one.

 

Yo, Mr. Cross-thread Spammer, go pound sand.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Yo, Mr. Cross-thread Spammer, go pound sand.

I've got 4,721 posts and I've posted the same thing in separate threads about two times in all that time. In this instance it was relevant to the discussion there, and it was certainly relevant here. 

 

I won't be "pounding sand" I'll be pounding your threads, just like you deserve.

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

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Thank you so much for helping sammijo derail this thread. I'll remember that the next time you start one.

No, Sand.  I am countering your one-sided hate-filled screed with a spot of reality. Try starting a thread called "Christian Watch, or (God Forbid) Zionist Watch.. and have the combined weight of politically correctness come down on you like a falling skyscraper. People believe what they want to believe.

 

Remember in October 2001: Letters filled with an extremely potent highly concentrated form of anthrax powder were sent to various US politicians and media officials. It was instantly blamed on Muslims - the accompanying notes were broadcast all over the US (and European) media ad nauseam:

 

 

 

 

Clearly, those who perpetrated this attack were pinning it on Islam.... But when the source of the anthrax was disclosed as the Ft. Detrick MD, Bioweapons Laboratory and it was apparent that al Qaeda (or any other Islamic militant group could not have obtained this material), guess what?

 

The story, up until that moment was described by one commentator as "all anthrax all the time" at the time Muslims were suspected, suddenly evaporated overnight like magic from US corporate media coverage, like a piece of dry ice  in the Sahara. Nobody wanted to know.

 

S.O.P.

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Try starting a thread called "Christian Watch

 

That's BR's job.

 

BR has the anti-Christian bigotry covered so, I assume, Hands figured he'd try out the anti-Muslim bigotry. All we need is an anti-semite (and and anti-dentite for good measure) and we'll be done.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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That's BR's job.

 

BR has the anti-Christian bigotry covered so, I assume, Hands figured he'd try out the anti-Muslim bigotry. All we need is an anti-semite (and and anti-dentite for good measure) and we'll be done.

 

I'm not prejudging. I'm judging based on how these alleged Christians argue to treat their neighbors as inferiors.  How old is the Earth, by the way?

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan
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Originally Posted by sammi jo View Post

No, Sand.  I am countering your one-sided hate-filled screed with a spot of reality. Try starting a thread called "Christian Watch, or (God Forbid) Zionist Watch.. and have the combined weight of politically correctness come down on you like a falling skyscraper. People believe what they want to believe.

 

Remember in October 2001: Letters filled with an extremely potent highly concentrated form of anthrax powder were sent to various US politicians and media officials. It was instantly blamed on Muslims - the accompanying notes were broadcast all over the US (and European) media ad nauseam:

 

 

 

 

Clearly, those who perpetrated this attack were pinning it on Islam.... But when the source of the anthrax was disclosed as the Ft. Detrick MD, Bioweapons Laboratory and it was apparent that al Qaeda (or any other Islamic militant group could not have obtained this material), guess what?

 

The story, up until that moment was described by one commentator as "all anthrax all the time" at the time Muslims were suspected, suddenly evaporated overnight like magic from US corporate media coverage, like a piece of dry ice  in the Sahara. Nobody wanted to know.

 

S.O.P.

All you've done so far is yell extreme insults at me. I'm fortunate enough never to have been in the situation where lots of people are being harmed, though from the sickening acts of violence I have seen in my own life, I can say that the survivors must really struggle with the madness of it. I saw a video of the bombers uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, on CNN where he was saying he would help his nephew. He knew how awful what he's done is, and yet he still wants to help him. That for me was a welcome sign of humanity. Here's the video if you've not seen it- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ3XV0fOhRs

 

 

You've spent so long believing that all of these acts of terror and attempted acts of terror are carried out by a shadowy global elite of some sort, that you try and silence me by attacking my reputation for posting about those who really commit the terrorism and the reasons they do. Like so many others though, I want to find out why this is all happening and how best to stop it. Your smear campaign is simply reflective of your own issues.

 

"Al-Qaida has sent a message to the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, asking him to stop spreading conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks.

 

 

"The Iranian government has professed on the tongue of its president Ahmadinejad that it does not believe that al-Qaida was behind 9/11 but rather, the US government," the article said, according to Iranian media. "So we may ask the question: why would Iran ascribe to such a ridiculous belief that stands in the face of all logic and evidence?"

 

"By using their imperialistic media network which is under the influence of colonialism, they threaten anyone who questions the Holocaust and the September 11 event with sanctions and military actions," said Ahmadinejad."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/28/al-qaida-ahmadinejad-911-conspiracy

 

If that's just too confusing to get your head around, it's explained in more simple terms here-  http://www.theonion.com/video/911-conspiracy-theories-ridiculous-al-qaeda-says,14222/


Edited by Hands Sandon - 4/30/13 at 4:18pm
"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #15 of 342

Is this thread for real?

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Is this thread for real?

 

I think the thread is for real, but it might be that Hands is not. 1wink.gif

 

This is what happens when liberals start to go end-stage, they start to actually reveal their prejudices and bigotry more openly. Further progression is demonstrated by someone, like BR, who starts all manner of name calling, SHOUTING TO BE HEARD, openly expressed anger and bitterness with frothing at the mouth while projecting their own hatred onto others and imagining all sorts of evils out of proportion with reality.

 

This is probably why political regimes that originate out of liberal/socialist/Marxist thinking and ideology ultimate evolve to and end with abject violence and millions of deaths, especially of those who resist being brought into conformance and alignment with their thinking.


Edited by MJ1970 - 4/30/13 at 2:34pm

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Originally Posted by jazzguru View Post

Is this thread for real?

Why wouldn't it be? Do you think the mosques in my first post shouldn't concern people? They're Islamic aren't they? Do you think if they do concern some people, those people are just islamaphobic big government types who want to impose communism on the world whilst sending millions of muslims to the gas chambers, like MJ does?

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #18 of 342
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

Why wouldn't it be? Do you think the mosques in my first post shouldn't concern people? They're Islamic aren't they? Do you think if they do concern some people, those people are just islamaphobic big government types who want to impose communism on the world whilst sending millions of muslims to the gas chambers, like MJ does?

 

I don't speak for MJ, and neither do you.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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I don't speak for MJ, and neither do you.

Great response MJ.

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #20 of 342
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Great response MJ.

 

I really don't know why I keep coming back here.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

post #21 of 342

Just like the Jews were sent to the chambers.NEVER AGAIN!
 

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Thread Starter 

 

 

 

In their own super aggresive words- 

 

 

 

This is the perfect way to deal with muslims who are trying to spread and impose vile beliefs. Laughter. Nice one, atheists!-

 


Edited by Hands Sandon - 5/1/13 at 5:34pm
"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #23 of 342
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If you are a muslim, please also use this thread to fully condemn the actions of those who are using fear and violence to spread and enforce your religion.

 

 

Hey, Hands Sandon, is this news story about you?

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/01/man-angry-over-boston-bombings-breaks-jaw-of-fcking-muslim-iraq-war-veteran/

 

Quote:
Man angry over Boston bombings breaks jaw of ‘f*cking Muslim’ Iraq war veteran ... “Denounce those motherfuckers now!” Dahlberg demands. “If you’re a fucking Muslim flying jets into the fucking World Trade Center then **** you. I will slice your fucking throat right now.”
post #24 of 342

This is just stereo typing a person now. Every Muslim is not evil or wrong in life.
 

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This is just stereo typing a person now. Every Muslim is not evil or wrong in life.
 

I'm focusing mainly on the threats of Islam here. The reason for that is because there are real problems developing and being ignorant of them doesn't help solve them. Muslims are generally good people just like all the other people in say the US and UK. There are some trying to radicalise their communities and the young have become much more radical than their parents generation, especially in the UK. This is a problem and ignoring it won't solve it. 


Edited by Hands Sandon - 5/2/13 at 4:45am
"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #26 of 342
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Hey, Hands Sandon, is this news story about you?

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/01/man-angry-over-boston-bombings-breaks-jaw-of-fcking-muslim-iraq-war-veteran/

 

What a rude thing to say. Have you no shame, or were you brought up that way?

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #27 of 342

Hands, while there are certainly some legitimate concerns regarding attempts to institute sexism and theocratic tendencies to Western democracies (Muslims in Europe, Christians in America), I believe jji's point is that the way you are going about bringing about those concerns might incite unwarranted attacks on Muslims.  The thread title alone is clearly very fear-mongery.  Perhaps you would have been better off calling it "Concerns about certain Muslim immigrants in Western Europe."  Even that may be over the top, but certainly no "ISLAM WATCH" containing the not so subtle subtext of "BE AFRAID!"

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan
post #28 of 342

Now that's just fucking hilarious!

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #29 of 342
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"British Muslim leader Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin indicted for genocide and crimes against humanity

A war crimes court in Bangladesh has indicted Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin, a British Muslim leader, for his alleged role in the murder of top intellectuals during the country's 1971 liberation war.

Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin, who was born in Bangladesh and who is based in London, has held positions in a host of top Islamic organisations in his adopted homeland and was involved in the setting up of the Muslim Council of Britain."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/bangladesh/10032961/British-Muslim-leader-Chowdhury-Mueen-Uddin-indicted-for-genocide-and-crimes-against-humanity.html

 

Yep, that's him with Prince Charles- 

 

One of Britain's most important Muslim leaders is to be charged with war crimes, investigators and officials have told The Sunday Telegraph

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

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This is just stereo typing a person now. Every Muslim is not evil or wrong in life.
 

True... but not according to a disproportionately influential segment of power-brokers, lobbyists and think tanks in DC (AIPAC, JINSA etc etc etc)..which pretty much formulate US - Middle East foreign policy, which both republican and democrat administrations follow - or else. If you want to witness the hatred, listen these guys talking, first hand. Hollywood and the corporate media come a close 2nd in the hate stakes.

 

According to those who really wield the power in the US, yes, Muslims are ALL terrorists, all evil, and all wrong.

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Hey, Hands Sandon, is this news story about you?

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/01/man-angry-over-boston-bombings-breaks-jaw-of-fcking-muslim-iraq-war-veteran/

 

Hands' fear-mongering, authoritarian M.O. is exactly what incites hatred, division and misunderstanding. Perhaps he's got stock in a bunch of defense contractors?

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
post #32 of 342

Jihad watch: The chemical weapons controversy, blamed by the West on Assad, perhaps was not done by the Syrian Government itself, but by rebel jihadists (al Qaeda et al), who are supported by the West in its effort to effect regime change in Syria. See video here:

 

In an different viewpoint, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Chief of Staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell during the Bush Administration, claims that chemical weapons attack may have been an Israeli false flag operation.

 

Neither is exactly surprising... but carry on...

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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... but carry on...

America gets its first taste-

 

 

 

 


Edited by Hands Sandon - 5/3/13 at 7:33pm
"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #34 of 342

And now, the US, NATO and Israel teams up with the al Qaeda run Sunni jihadists in Syria. Israel, (once again) attacked a nation which had not attacked her... US style. 

 

One law for Israel and allies, and another for every other country in the region... as has been the case for 60+ years. Even teaming up with entities deemed "terrorists" is OK. What a tangled f*cked up web we weave...

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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"37 people were killed and hundreds more injured in Bangladesh today in fierce street fighting between police and Islamic hardliners demanding the death penalty for blasphemy.

Rioters chanting 'God is greatest!' torched shops and vehicles, blocked roads and fought bloody battles with police in the capital of Dhaka and its suburbs.

At least 70,000 activists ran amok in the capitals financial district overnight, forcing hundreds of workers to sleep in their offices as gunfire rattled through the night."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319983/Bangladesh-protests-37-dead-hundreds-injured-police-battle-hardline-Islamist-group.html

 

Ten people have died and hundreds have been injured as hardline Islamists demanding a new blasphemy law clashed with police in Bangladesh

 

The group of activists - half a million strong - are calling for those who insult Islam to face the death penalty

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

"I have been made victorious by terror~ Muhammad

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam," ~ Barack Obama

post #36 of 342

So Hands, you obviously have a problem with Muslims, regardless of nationality. What would be your solution for dealing with (what the US powers-that-be) see as "The Muslim Problem"?

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
post #37 of 342

As much as I don't like the idea of Islamophobia, we also aren't experiencing what Europe is right now.  Imagine if hardline Christians in this country in communities (like San Francisco) in which they are the complete minority demanded their biblical values be legislated (you know, more than they already do now), and made good on their "2nd Amendment solutions." 

 

It's a religious extremist problem.  Israelis experience this in Israel in ultra-orthodox neighborhoods, too.  Hell, whole states are on the path toward the Christian version of Sharia Law with their draconic measures against women's rights and education.  I think it's a religious extremist problem more than anything else.

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan
post #38 of 342

Indeed, God forbid that we allow anyone to demand that their values be legislated and enforced by the state.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #39 of 342
Yes, it would be nice if a magic invisible sky daddy forbade that we legislate iron-age values that discriminate against women and homosexuals or suffocate knowledge. Since there is no magic invisible sky daddy to do so, it's up to the sane, non-extremist populace to call out the bullshit for what it is.

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan
post #40 of 342

That "whoosh" you just heard was the point flying over your head. As usual, you're too myopically focused on openly expressing your ignorant bigotry to get the point.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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