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post #201 of 342
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France to cut handouts to muslim immigrants by 83%, and who can blame them?

 

I guess they'll riot some more and burn 1,193 cars like they did on New Years Eve 2005 alone.

http://www.eutimes.net/2012/12/french-government-cuts-immigrants-welfare-by-83/

 

 

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post #202 of 342
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Two contrasting stories from China-

 

The first shows the true Chinese spirit-

 

"A two-year-old girl fell from the fifth-floor window of her home in east China's Zhejiang Province on Thursday, but luckily was saved by a group of motorcycle couriers who noticed her on the window's ledge mere moments before she plummeted.

Five express mail carriers were taking a break at around 11am in the Geshuiyang village of Ninghai County, Zhejiang Province, when they heard the crying of a little girl who was sitting on a fifth-floor window ledge.

It is believed the young girl had woken from a sleep and climbed out onto the window sill still disorienentated."

 

The five motorcycle couriers spotted the child on the window sill, but before they could climb her and rescue her, she fell

 

Realising the seriousness of the situation, the group rushes into position

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345687/Heart-stopping-moment-2-year-old-Chinese-girl-falls-fifth-floor-window-caught-passers-by.html

 

 

 

 

 

The second shows the horrors of Islam-

 

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COVER-UP: Chinese Uighur MUSLIM rioters burned bus passengers alive, raped women and decapitated children, displaying their heads on a highway median.

Even in China, the government covers up savage acts of brutality by Muslims. The Ministry of Truth hid grotesque Uighur Muslim violence against Han Chinese.

Interesting that like it’s far too similar Western propaganda counterparts, authoritarian China feels compelled to mitigategrotesque muslim violence and downplay it’s motives – all under the guise of community cohesion. Thus we have the Chinese version of the British “move along now – nothing to see here” that is so prevalent in the British and Western “free speech” media particularly when the subject of muslim violence is involved.

And, not to be outdone in their own Ministry of Truth quest – much of the Western media downplayed the Uighur brutality preferring instead to portray them as victims of aggressive police action:

“AFP news agency quoted general secretary of the Uighur American Association in Washington Alim Seytoff as saying that police had begun “indiscriminately” shooting at protesting crowds.” SOURCE

 

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post #203 of 342
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 England-

 

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Bradford, UK: Almost Half of Schoolchildren Non-Native English Speakers

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post #204 of 342
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"When Egyptians took to the streets to overthrow an oppressive government in 2011, the world was on their side. But in the two years that followed, as Arab Spring turned to Arab Winter, and Egyptians fell under the rule of the oppressive new government of Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, the world has looked away.

Except for Barack Hussein Obama who has given the Muslim Brotherhood $billions in aid as well as 20 F-16′s and 200 Abrams tanks, and more.

 

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Crime in Egypt has reached unprecedented highs, homicide rates have tripled since 2011, and armed robberies rose from 233 in 2010 to 2,807 in 2012.

The Cairo subway skips stops, suffers frequent power outages, and is inhabited by thugs.

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Garbage collection is sporadic at best. 

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Some 50,000 homeless youths roam the streets of Cairo and contribute to the soaring crime rate.

 

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The World Health Organization estimates there are 1 million homeless children in Egypt.

 

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The Brotherhood has proposed laws reducing Egypt’s legal age of marriage to 13-years-old. Some party officials indicate marriage at nine years of age is perfectly acceptable. 

 

Temporary marriages between young women and foreigners lasting often just days have become increasingly common. Desperate parents sell daughters for as little as $450.

 

 

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Tahrir Square, where Egyptians brought down a regime, now is filthy and lawless.

 

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If the fundamentalists are successful in destroying Egypt’s most famous landmarks, as they promise, the tourism industry will totally disappear.

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~ http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/06/18/muslim-brotherhood-has-turned-egypt-into-another-islamic-hellhole/

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post #205 of 342
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"Scientist is advocating free nicotine replacement therapies after estimated 0.9 - [sic] 1.3 million former smokers picked the habit back up after the terrorist attack in 2001

 

Experts believe this sharp increase was due to the stress people experienced during and after the tragedy, which claimed nearly 3,000 lives.

 

Lead researcher Dr Michael Pesko at the Weill Cornell Medical College, in New York, said the investigation “sheds light on a hidden cost of terrorism”.

 

"I was really surprised to find that former smokers across the nation resumed their old habit. I was expecting to see impacts just in the New York City area - or, at most, the tri-state area."

 

He said one possibility would be to introduce programmes that offer free nicotine replacement therapies immediately after an event. ”Another strategy would be to alert health professionals to do more substance abuse screening during regular medical appointments following terrorist attacks, or any such event that is likely to stress the nation“, he added."

~ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-million-people-started-smoking-again-in-the-wake-of-911-a-new-study-has-revealed-8668822.html

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post #206 of 342
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Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, the kingdom’s top cleric, ordered the governor of Jazan, a coastal city, to smash the statues because they are forbidden in Islam.

“The sculptures [must] be removed because they are a great sin and are prohibited under Sharia (Islamic law),” a letter from the Sheikh said, according to local Arabic media.

Artworks depicting people and animals is prohibited under Islam, which considers it a form of idolatry. The religion does allow artworks depicting plants and landscapes.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/06/14/is-it-the-ugliness-of-the-muslim-heart-that-makes-it-want-to-destroy-everything-of-beauty/

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post #207 of 342
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In case you missed it, just like the FBI missed it, after strong warnings from Russia. Thanks Obama for making us all a lot less safe and a lot more monitored-

 

 

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The White House assures that tracking our every phone call and keystroke is to stop terrorists, and yet it won’t snoop in mosques, where the terrorists are. That’s right, the government’s sweeping surveillance of our most private communications excludes the jihad factories where homegrown terrorists are radicalized.

Since October 2011, mosques have been off-limits to FBI agents. No more surveillance or undercover string operations without high-level approval from a special oversight body at the Justice Department dubbed the Sensitive Operations Review Committee.

Who makes up this body, and how do they decide requests? Nobody knows; the names of the chairman, members and staff are kept secret.

We do know the panel was set up under pressure from Islamist groups who complained about FBI stings at mosques. Just months before the panel’s formation, the Council on American-Islamic Relations teamed up with the ACLU to sue the FBI for allegedly violating the civil rights of Muslims in Los Angeles by hiring an undercover agent to infiltrate and monitor mosques there.

Before mosques were excluded from the otherwise wide domestic spy net the administration has cast, the FBI launched dozens of successful sting operations against homegrown jihadists — inside mosques — and disrupted dozens of plots against the homeland.

If only they were allowed to continue, perhaps the many victims of the Boston Marathon bombings would not have lost their lives and limbs. The FBI never canvassed Boston mosques until four days after the April 15 attacks, and it did not check out the radical Boston mosque where the Muslim bombers worshipped. The bureau didn’t even contact mosque leaders for help in identifying their images after those images were captured on closed-circuit TV cameras and cellphones.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/06/13/is-anyone-here-surprised-obamas-nsa-snooping-excluded-mosques-missed-boston-marathon-bombers/

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post #208 of 342

That's a nice picture of Romanian Christians in your bizarre post about England.

post #209 of 342
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That's a nice picture of Romanian Christians in your bizarre post about England.

I wasn't sure about that picture. It stood out because typically muslims seem well off, and certainly not roughing it. Perhaps they have a better network to set up with a roof over their heads and to claim all the right benefits straight off after arriving? There are far more of them that's for sure, and I suspect they get a lot of help from each other. I pity the Romanian Christians, but if the UK is going to have more immigration, which it needs, the more Christian one's the better.  

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post #210 of 342
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"Jon Stewart showed up as a surprise guest on an Egyptian satirical news program- created to model his 'Daily Show'- and lent his support to the host who is under investigation by the government for supposed crimes against Islam.

 

Youssef, host of the show ‘Al-Bernameg’ and one of Egypt's most popular TV presenters, has been questioned by prosecutors on accusations of blasphemy and insulting the president because of the satirical routines presented on his show.

 

Stewart defended his counterpart and friend in one of his monologues after host Bassem Youssef was interrogated earlier this year, and Youssef has appeared as a guest on the popular New York-based show.

 

Youssef - known as Egypt's Jon Stewart - was interrogated in April for allegedly insulting Islam and the country's leader. His questioning drew criticism from Washington and rights advocates.

 

A trained heart surgeon, Youssef catapulted to fame when his video blogs mocking politics received hundreds of thousands of hits shortly after the 2011 uprising that toppled longtime leader Hosni Mubarak.

 

Unlike other local TV presenters, Youssef uses satire to mock fiery comments made by ultraconservative clerics and politicians, garnering him a legion of fans among the country's revolutionaries and liberals.

 

He has 1.4 million fans on Facebook and nearly 850,000 followers on Twitter."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346285/Jon-Stewart-makes-surprise-visit-Egyptian-version-The-Daily-Show-hes-hiatus-film-movie.html

 

Surprise guest: The comedian was brought in with a black hood over his head as if he was a captured foreign spyWhen his hood was removed, Stewart spoke briefly in Arabic as the studio audience gave him a raucous welcome

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post #211 of 342
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"Don't let it happen, it depends on you".

 

For everyone, even (especially) if you are a muslim, take heed. We all deserve liberty-

 

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post #212 of 342
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"Now here's a point you might deeply consider: The neologism "Islamophobia" did not simply emergeex nihilo. It was invented, deliberately, by a Muslim Brotherhood front organization, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, which is based in Northern Virginia. If that name dimly rings a bell, it should: I've mentioned it before, and it's particularly important because it was co-founded by Anwar Ibrahim--the hero of Moderate Islam who is now trotting around the globe comparing his plight to that of Aung San Suu Kyi.

 

Abdur-Rahman Muhammad, a former member of the IIIT who has renounced the group in disgust, was an eyewitness to the creation of the word. "This loathsome term," he writes,

is nothing more than a thought-terminating cliche conceived in the bowels of Muslim think tanks for the purpose of beating down critics.

In another article concerning the many moderate Muslims whose voices have been drowned out by Saudi-financed Muslim Brotherhood front groups, Muhammad describes the strategy behind the word's invention:

In an effort to silence critics of political Islam, advocates needed to come up with terminology that would enable them to portray themselves as victims. Muhammad said he was present when his then-allies, meeting at the offices of the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT) in Northern Virginia years ago, coined the term "Islamophobia."

Muhammad said the Islamists decided to emulate the homosexual activists who used the term "homophobia" to silence critics. He said the group meeting at IIIT saw "Islamophobia" as a way to "beat up their critics.""

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Moderate-Muslim-Watch-How-the-Term-Islamophobia-Got-Shoved-Down-Your-Throat

 

"Islamophobia As An Actual Phobia

For Islamophobia to be an actual phobia it is necessary to redefine the usage of the term.  Those who have abused the English language by creating a term that combines Islam’ and ‘phobia’, while not demonstrating how the new word describes an actual phobia, have lost the right to determine what the word means because clearly they do not respect the idea that meaning should actually be based on the logic of language.

‘Islam’ and ‘phobia’ if combined to create a new word must be true to the meanings of each component word.  If there is anything in Islam that is capable of producing rational fear then its combination with phobia is illogical when applied to people who give voice to such rational fears.

However, the rules of language are respected if something relating to Islam creates an irrational fear.  Fear of questioning Islam is such an irrational impulse.   It would only be rational to fear questioning Islam if something bad were to happen to you if you did so.  But we are told repeatedly that Islam is a religion of peace and that there is no compulsion in religion.  We are also told by governments in the West that still we enjoy freedom of speech.

Why then does anyone have a rational excuse not to criticise a religion?  Since there is only one religion that people seem to have a fear of questioning then we have indeed discovered a logical reason for combining Islam’ and ‘phobia’ into a single word.  Thus it would be logical to define the term islamophobia as a condition experienced by those who exhibit an irrational fear of questioning Islam.

Those who fear to practice rigorous analysis because their main priority is adherence to the ideology of political correctness are the ones who are exhibiting the characteristics of a phobia.  After all, such behaviour is irrational, illogical, and contrary to the most basic rules of scientific method.

Islamophobia as the pathology that drives people towards irrational behaviour manifests itself in many unusual behaviours.  Politicians become willing to ignore the national interest or the will of those who elected them.  Countries which claim to be democratic become hostile to the only true democracy in the Middle East. The state as rational actor (one of the most basic assumptions of international relations theory) is transformed into an irrational player on the international stage where the national interest is turned in on itself.  Such actors contribute to the instability of the international system and thus pose a grave threat to civilisation.  That is why Islamophobia, the fear of questioning Islam, is such an essential topic for debate.

Real Islamophobes under our more logical definition have other significant characteristics.  They refuse to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, certain aspects of Islamic doctrine can motivate individuals to carry out the most heinous of acts.  It is neither our purpose nor our intention here to demonise Muslims but to seek acknowledgement that some aspects of Islamic teaching may motivate people to attack the non-Muslim world.  The vast majority of Muslims are decent hardworking and conscientious individuals who just want to live their lives in peace.  However, the aspects of doctrine that can and do inspire violence need to be discussed and analysed in the cool light of day.  Only by discussing the issues can natural and justifiable fears be allayed and rational policy making take place."

~ http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2013/05/15/islamophobia-the-irrational-fear-of-questioning-islam/

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post #213 of 342
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I wasn't sure about that picture. It stood out because typically muslims seem well off, and certainly not roughing it. Perhaps they have a better network to set up with a roof over their heads and to claim all the right benefits straight off after arriving? There are far more of them that's for sure, and I suspect they get a lot of help from each other. I pity the Romanian Christians, but if the UK is going to have more immigration, which it needs, the more Christian one's the better.  

 

The Romanian immigrants cause far more problems. They sleep rough and account for around a third of pick-pocketing in London.

 

Immigrants can't claim benefits straight after arriving in the UK. You obviously know nothing about the situation in England and are better off not showing your ignorance.

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The Romanian immigrants cause far more problems. They sleep rough and account for around a third of pick-pocketing in London.

 

Immigrants can't claim benefits straight after arriving in the UK. You obviously know nothing about the situation in England and are better off not showing your ignorance.

What an utterly pathetic response to a very serios issue. Your delusion is breathtaking.

 

The EHRC says that 50% of muslim men are unemployed, and 75% of muslim women. Muslims make up about 5% of the UK population, though their share of infants and schoolchildren is much higher than that, and yet muslims make up 13% of the prison population, and 20% in young offenders institutions. They also only represent 0.03% of the armed forces.

 

What we need to do is help the Christians, and hope they don't turn out like the muslims have. I have faith that they won't.

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post #215 of 342
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"Gunmen have killed 10 people, including nine foreign tourists after storming a hotel in far northern Pakistan.

A spokesman for Tehrik-e-Taliban said the attack was in retaliation for the killing of its second-in-command, Waliur Rehman, who died in a suspected US drone strike in May.

The trekkers had planned to climb Nanga Parbat in the coming days, the operator said.

Some 40 climbers are currently reported to be on the mountain.

Up to 20 attackers, reportedly dressed in local paramilitary uniforms, stormed the hotel at the base camp in the foothills of Nanga Parbat shortly after midnight.

The group said it would continue to target foreigners."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23018706

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post #216 of 342
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What an utterly pathetic response to a very serios issue. Your delusion is breathtaking.

 

The EHRC says that 50% of muslim men are unemployed, and 75% of muslim women. Muslims make up about 5% of the UK population, though their share of infants and schoolchildren is much higher than that, and yet muslims make up 13% of the prison population, and 20% in young offenders institutions. They also only represent 0.03% of the armed forces.

 

What we need to do is help the Christians, and hope they don't turn out like the muslims have. I have faith that they won't.

 

I could spend a long time pointing out that these statistics are linked to poverty and discrimination rather than religion but why bother? You obviously didn't read the conclusions of the EHRC report that you've grabbed the statistics from so anything I say isn't going to change your mind either.

 

All I will say is that I live in a part of London with a large muslim population. Yes, there's some real crazy ones like Anjem Choudary but most are just normal people living normal lives. There's plenty of crazy Christians and crazy atheists too but I wouldn't judge either group on the lunatic fringes. A lot of Muslims hold fairly conservative social views that I deteste but, again, so do many Christian immigrants. The longer they live in London, the more they'll see things from a socially liberal point of view.

post #217 of 342
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I could spend a long time pointing out that these statistics are linked to poverty and discrimination rather than religion but why bother? You obviously didn't read the conclusions of the EHRC report that you've grabbed the statistics from so anything I say isn't going to change your mind either.

 

All I will say is that I live in a part of London with a large muslim population. Yes, there's some real crazy ones like Anjem Choudary but most are just normal people living normal lives. There's plenty of crazy Christians and crazy atheists too but I wouldn't judge either group on the lunatic fringes. A lot of Muslims hold fairly conservative social views that I deteste but, again, so do many Christian immigrants. The longer they live in London, the more they'll see things from a socially liberal point of view.

I'm sure you'd make a very compelling and lengthy case why 85% of muslims are on taxpayer benefits is due to racist whites, especially Christian white racists.

 

As I posted earlier on this thread I have a great deal of respect for the Quilliam Foundation, set up by muslims to give the public a better and more honest look at Islam and muslims.

 

Here's what they say, as reported in the Guardian-

 

 

Why don't Muslim women work outside the home? The Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslim communities in this country contain many of the poorest and least employed women in Britain. Why are they both poor and unemployed? Is it racism, or religion, or some combination of the two?
 
A report from the Quilliam Foundation dismisses both these simple answers and suggests some complex and worrying ones. The statistic that really jumped out at me was the extent to which marriage has become a means of immigration to this country. A study by Professor Angela Dale, of Manchester University, cited here suggests that 50% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi women and 40% of men in this country married spouses from overseas between 1998 and 2005. It seems reasonable to suppose that most of these women come from poor, rural families, and those are exactly the ones with the highest rates of female exclusion from the job market here.
 
Their aspirations are not middle class. Only one in eight want either a professional career or to own their own business and only 0.3% (two women) said they wanted a job in order to have a career.
 
So why didn't they work? It wasn't in any obvious sense religion: not one single respondent out of the 616 that answered the question said that working was against their religion, and only 1% that they felt that they would be discriminated against for their religious beliefs and dress.
 
Nor was there any evidence of discrimination in the labour market directly, since only 2% of the women said they were looking for a job but could not find one. No, the overwhelming answer, given by nearly half the respondents, was that they had to bring up their children. Another 20% said that their English wasn't very good, and this is a point that Quilliam takes up, believing that English lessons for immigrant wives are essential to integrate them into society and that it is foolish and short-sighted to cut back on funding for that.
 
Among South Asian and other communities in Bradford, placing children with strangers in a formal childcare setting is frowned upon, both by family members and the community in general.
 

 

Maybe these women just like being around children. Of the women who did want work, more than half wanted jobs that deal with children, either directly, or as teachers and social workers. This is perhaps a practical expression of what it means to come from the other side of the demographic divide to the mainstream culture.
 
The other large point here is that these attitudes are dissolving very slowly, if at all. The women in the Quilliam survey were not recent immigrants, though very few (16%) were born here. 70% had been here ten years or more, and nearly 40% for more than 20 years, which would make them very likely grandmothers and thus very influential over the younger generations."
 
They come from backward countries thanks to Islam. They have vast numbers of children thanks to Islam. And thanks to Islam the UK is having to deal with a very, very expensive problem.
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post #218 of 342
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Palestinian TV praises the life of a man sentenced to life in prison in Israel for beating to death an 84 year old Israeli Jew with a hoe, naming him a "heroic giant". This is the kind of hatred (and much worse) muslims watch all over the world, through their plentiful satellite dishes. No wonder Jews are being bullied out of their long established communities by muslims in Europe. It's the same ethnic cleansing they're doing worldwide, just on a smaller scale, at the moment.

 

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post #219 of 342
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Lama al-Ghamdi

 

 

Saudi Arabia: Islamic cleric rapes, tortures, kills daughter, pays fine. 

 

Warning: The following is extremely graphic and disturbing- 

 

Fayhan al-Ghamdi, the victims father and a popular Islamic preacher who has made numerous television appearances promotingIslamconfessed to the heinous crime. Ghamdi told Saudi officials he used cables and a cane on his five-year-old daughter, leaving her with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns. In addition, one of Lama’s fingernails had been torn off. Hospital staff reports the child’s rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed.

Reports indicate the father had doubted his five-year old daughter's virginity.

Lama al-Ghamdi died last October. The amount her father was fined for the brutal rape, torture and murder, would have been doubled if Lama had been male. In Saudi Arabia, Islamic law is interpreted to be that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives.

http://www.examiner.com/article/saudi-arabia-islamic-cleric-rapes-tortures-kills-daughter-pays-fine

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post #220 of 342
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Israel is in many ways a highly advanced Western country, and that goes for its hospitals too. Totally unrestricted by Islam, Israeli's train women as doctors and advance the sciences. After a Palestinian hospital couldn't save this  young muslim woman, Israel stepped in, and did-

 

'Apes and Pigs'? Abir Abu Nakira, a 17-year-old Palestinian girl from Rafah with the israeli medical team who have saved her life - and raising fund for further treatment for her

 

"The life of a 17-year-old Palestinian girl from Rafah in Gaza was saved by Kaplan Medical Centre doctors after she fell from a malfunctioning ferris wheel near her home and was critically injured.
 
Three months after the accident, she is out of danger, but her doctors are trying to collect funds to enable her to undergo abroad a small-intestine transplant, which is unavailable here.
 
“I wish for peace between us and Israel,” Abir Abu-Nakira said. “Kaplan physicians saved me.”
 
Dr. Yoram Klein, director of the trauma and urgent surgery department in the Rehovot hospital, said Abir was brought to Kaplan after being held for four hours in a Palestinian Authority hospital, but the staff couldn’t save her. She was unconscious with severe abdominal injuries, requiring surgeons to perform several lifesaving operations.
 

This is not a one-off, either. Thousands of ‘Palestinians’ are treated in Israel, usually without cost or fanfare. Their families are regularly allowed into Israel to accompany or visit them."

http://undhimmi.com/2011/09/26/israeli-doctors-save-gaza-girls-life-raise-funds-for-further-treatment/

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"European school books present a distorted image of Islam and Muslims, using stereotypes that breed mistrust of the faith and its people, a five-country study published Thursday showed.
 
This slanted view reflects “cultural racism [but Islam is a religion, not a race, surely? -Ed.],” concluded Germany’s Georg Eckert Institute for textbook research, which analysed 27 volumes used in classrooms in Britain, France, Austria, Spain and Germany.
 
The textbooks used at the secondary school level frequently set an “antiquated Islam” against a “modern Europe” and depict them as in conflict with each other. Krohnert-Othman said that such representations “cannot challenge populist Islamophobia” among pupils.
 
“Even modern European school books include oversimplified presentations of Islam and they stand in the way of a credible intercultural dialogue with the Muslim world,” said Germany’s minister of state for European affairs at the foreign ministry, Cornelia Pieper, after reading the study’s findings."
 
It will be interesting to see how reflective of "modern Europe" cities will become when their populations rise above 50% of the voters. I guess that's the modern Europe they're talking about.
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post #222 of 342
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Immigrants or colonisers? Paris Muslims defying a French ban on street prayer yesterday
 
"Quelle Surprise! They don’t answer to French Law, only the Sharia. Prayer with menaces continues on the streets of Paris, despite a government ban:
Hundreds of Muslims defied a French street prayer ban which came into force Friday, taking to the streets and sidewalks of Paris to pray. The French government announced Thursday it was banning praying outside, with officials pledging to enforce the ban from Friday.
 
But 200 Muslims ignored the street prayer ban and prayed on the streets in the neighbourhood of La Goutte d’Or, Le Parisien newspaper reported.
 
The outdoor street prayer ban is the latest move by the French government to remove Islam from the public sphere. Laws prohibiting students wearing headscarves in schools and banning women from wearing the full Muslim veil — the niqab –in public came into force in April."
 
Well done France for standing up to this dangerous menace. If they are left to their own devices, integration would be impossible.
 
 

Edited by Hands Sandon - 6/23/13 at 2:55pm
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post #223 of 342
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The Stockholm Bombers wife guilty too?-
 
"British police said Wednesday they had arrested Stockholm Bomber’s wife Mona Thwany on terrorism charges.
Scotland Yard confirmed they detained Mona Thwany, the wife of Taymour Abdelwahab, on Tuesday in Luton.
 
“At 6:15am (05:15 GMT) yesterday morning, counter-terrorism officers raided a residential address in Luton, Bedfordshire,” a Metropolitan Police spokesman said.
 
“A 28-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of the preparation of terrorist acts. She has been bailed until mid-November.”
 
Abdelwahab, a 29-year-old whose family fled from Iraq to Sweden in 1991, blew up himself and his car in an empty side-street off of Stockholm’s busiest pedestrian thoroughfare, injuring two people. Police believe the bomb may have gone off prematurely, shortly after Abdelwahab got out of the car strapped with three other devices.
 
Before the botched December 11 mission, Abdelwahab had lived with his wife and three children in Luton, north of London, where he had graduated with a degree in sports therapy seven years earlier. Shortly after the attack, beauty stylist wife Thwany said she was “devastated” and had no idea what her husband had planned.
 
At the time, Swedish officials said they believed Abdelwahab hatched the plan alone, but had support from others."
 
Stockholm bomber's wife Mona Thwany
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post #224 of 342
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Hizb-ut-Tahrir members openly admit voter intimidation in Denmark
 
"In several Danish neighborhoods with a large concentration of Muslims ‘enforcers’ from Hizb-ut-Tahrir, the Muslim political organisation that openly seeks a worldwide Islamic Caliphate, guard the polling stations.
 
The Guards’ ‘task’ is to deter and prevent Muslims who wish to participate in democracy by placing their vote at the ballot box
 
We see the guards in fundamentalist-oriented neighborhoods watching polling stations in their residential areas and ensure that people do not go down and vote. These are indirect threats. If there is someone who wants to vote but are seen at the school where they will voice their families may be ostracized”, said Mohammad Rafiq, integration consultant and author."
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"An ex-Muslim Convert to Christianity was attacked with boiling water and acid by Muslims at an ‘asylum reception centre’ in Norway on Friday.
 
“Two of the Muslim residents asked why I had not fasted during Ramadan. When I would not answer, they began to discuss the matter. One of them said that he knew I was Muslim and converted to Christianity, and that they had to engage in Jihad”.
 
One resident held Ali while another struck him in the back of the head with a pot of boiling water; and Ali collapsed to the floor. Several other Muslim residents joined the commotion. A third man walked into Ali’s room and began to trash it.
 
The police arrived, but only an hour later – the damage already done."
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post #226 of 342

Real terrific to know this.
 

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Real terrific to know this.
 

Thank you marvfox. Help spread the word too!

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post #228 of 342

I'm not sure why this forum is on this website... however while yes, people of all faiths / religions / political persuasions, including atheists, are capable of violent heinous acts when their dedication to a particular ideology becomes extreme, to say it is as commonplace as Muslim or Islamic extremism is just patently false.  The "quiz" provided near the top of this page attempts to show bombings by other groups, including right wing and Christian extremists. The key difference here is commonality.  It is far more common for an Islamic extremist to engage in these sort of acts than for pretty much any other group to do so.  Although the quiz above goes back 5 decades, we would only need to go back about 5 months to create a similar list of atrocities attributed directly to Muslim terror.  There is really no comparison, and that is because the Koran legitimately calls for violence against those who fail to convert where as other faiths and ideologies (including the bible) do not.  To overlook this obvious truth amounts to intentional ignorance. 

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Mohamed Hacene-Chaouch

 

"An unlicensed cab driver has been jailed for seven years and three months after being found guilty of raping a female passenger.

Mohamed Hacene-Chaouch, 46, assaulted the drunk young woman after she had been celebrating a friend's birthday and had become separated from the group in Soho, central London, on 26 January.

Sentencing the father-of-five at the Old Bailey, the judge, Wendy Joseph, said: "It must have been clear to you that she was helplessly and hopelessly drunk.

After Hacene-Chaouch, of Catford, south London, was found guilty at the Old Bailey last month, Joseph told the jury he had been accused of a similar offence before.

He was accused of attacking a drunken woman passenger in 2004 but was acquitted.

Wearing a dark grey suit and spectacles, Hacene-Chaouch showed no emotion and stared straight ahead as the judge passed sentence.

But as he was told he would be prohibited from working or seeking work as a taxi driver for 10 years, he shouted: "God is great, I'm innocent," towards his wife, who watched proceedings from the public gallery. The court heard that she was standing by her husband.

But the judge said: "I haven't heard a single word of remorse in any way, shape or form."

She said a pre-sentence report indicated that the offence was related to his general attitude towards women.

Mohamed Hacene-Chaouch will also have to sign the sex offenders register for life."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/24/cab-driver-raped-female-passenger-jailed


Edited by Hands Sandon - 6/24/13 at 3:20pm
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post #230 of 342
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I'm not sure why this forum is on this website... however while yes, people of all faiths / religions / political persuasions, including atheists, are capable of violent heinous acts when their dedication to a particular ideology becomes extreme, to say it is as commonplace as Muslim or Islamic extremism is just patently false.  The "quiz" provided near the top of this page attempts to show bombings by other groups, including right wing and Christian extremists. The key difference here is commonality.  It is far more common for an Islamic extremist to engage in these sort of acts than for pretty much any other group to do so.  Although the quiz above goes back 5 decades, we would only need to go back about 5 months to create a similar list of atrocities attributed directly to Muslim terror.  There is really no comparison, and that is because the Koran legitimately calls for violence against those who fail to convert where as other faiths and ideologies (including the bible) do not.  To overlook this obvious truth amounts to intentional ignorance. 

That "quiz" on page 1 of this thread was posted by Islammijo, who thinks this thread is "islamophobic". I think it exposes the truth that we all deserve and need. We won't defeat the menace of Islam, if people carry on just thinking "Oh, the religion of peace, come forth and multiply".

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Amazingly, the EU stands up (in part) for free speech against Hillary Clinton's criminalising and blanket control of it. You'd think America would be leading the way to keep free speech. How untrue that's become since Obama-

 

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"Almost two years ago — exactly a week before Anders Behring Breivik’s massacre in Norway — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) launched what they called the “Istanbul Process”. Their initiative was a joint project of the OIC and the USA, and was intended to bring Western nations (especially the USA) into compliance with UN Resolution 16/18, which aims to “[combat] intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatisation of, and discrimination, incitement to violence, and violence against persons based on religion and belief.” The eventual goal is that member states of the UN will be required to pass laws criminalizing such “stereotyping” and “discrimination” based on religious belief. I don’t have to tell you that the intended primary beneficiary of Resolution 16/18 is Islam, and that all the attempts to implement the resolution are being pushed by the OIC and its Muslim Brotherhood-influenced allies in the governments and NGOs of major Western nations.

 

 

The European Parliament (EP) in Strasbourg passed two resolutions Thursday, each detailing a set of recommendations to protect the rights of journalists to speak and print freely.
 
“The EU, as a community of values, should aspire to lead in ensuring the free word, whether blogged or spoken, and information, whether researched or photographed, are protected. Journalists and a free, pluralist media, are essential for democracies and checks on power. Freedom of speech and freedom after speech are at the core of open and free societies,” ....
 
The first resolution (2011/2081(INI)), focusing on press freedom, “(r)ecognizes that governments have the primary responsibility for guaranteeing and protecting freedom of the press and media.”
 
The second resolution (2013/2082(INI)), centering on religious freedom, endorses the firm opposition of “any attempt to criminalise freedom of speech in relation to religious issues, such as blasphemy laws.” "
 
For once the EU may do the right thing. Hillary should be put on trial.

Edited by Hands Sandon - 6/24/13 at 5:48pm
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post #233 of 342

You might want to read up on Tommy Robinson before posting videos of him. Don't believe his words, he's a convicted soccer hooligan.

 

Again, you're showing yourself up as ignorant. 

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As I've said before, this thread really annoys some people, so to keep spirits up, it's time for something completely different, again.

 

Here's a slippery surface at Wimbledon-

 

Agony: Maria Sharapova slips during the match at Wimbledon against Michelle Larcher De Brito

 

Pain: The Russian was heard describing the court as 'dangerous' during today's match

 

 

Sharapova's exit came hours after the withdrawal of second seed Azarenka who called for Wimbledon officials to investigate why the courts were so slippery

 

 

Maria Sharapova of Russia sits on court after she slipped during her Women's second round singles matchInjured: Russia's Maria Sharapova is treated for an injury after falling over during today's match at Wimbledon

 

~ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2349020/Wimbledon-2013-Sharapova-blasts-dangerous-courts-record-day-injuries.html

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You might want to read up on Tommy Robinson before posting videos of him. Don't believe his words, he's a convicted soccer hooligan.

 

Again, you're showing yourself up as ignorant. 

He seems to be maturing though, and he isn't afraid to speak up, despite serious threats on his life, including a plan to kill him failing .

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Robert Spencer the director of JihadWatch has been banned from entering the UK, along with Pamela Geller, who were going to lay a wreath for Lee Rigby

 

This is such a shameful act on the part of the UK government, I suspect it's illegal and will be overturned. Remarkably they let in speakers who preach violent jihad and Sharia Law.

 

Until and unless it's overturned I urge you to take a vacation elsewhere-

 

"Encourage Americans instead to visit instead Tennessee, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arizona, Missouri, Alabama, and South Dakota where foreign laws that violate constitutional protections and due process cannot be enforced. “Put your money where your mouth is” isn’t just an old saying about committing to your principles — now it really is literally about putting your tourism dollars where they can do the most good, by rewarding those states in the US that have taken a stand for free speech and against foreign legal codes that violate constitutional protections. A number of states have passed Free Speech Acts protecting writers and publishers from foreign libel actions including-
 
New York
California
Florida
Illinois
Utah
Tennessee
Louisiana
Maryland
South Dakota
Oklahoma"
 
Some of my income comes from tourists, as many others do in the UK, but enough is enough. Take action!
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Obama is sending 400 US troops to Muslim Brotherhood President Morsi of Egypt, to help Morsi fight the secularist and Christian Copt protesters, who plan on a big demonstration in a few days time, 30th June.

 

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"In yet another remarkable display of Obama’s determination to secure the Middle East for Islamofascists, 400 U.S. troops will reportedly be deployed to Egypt to augment the police force of Islamist President Mohamed Morsi. They will be part of a 13-country force stationed in Egypt in anticipation of protests, scheduled for June 30th, calling for the removal of Morsi. Curiously, whereas Obama readily threw former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak under the bus in 2011, the White House is now eager to defend the regime of Morsi, who, like his Muslim Brotherhood sponsors, is well on his way to imposing the Saudi Arabian model of governance on Egypt.

The so-called “peacekeeping mission” on which the U.S. troops will serve is expected to last nine months. It follows six months of training by troops at both Fort Hood, Texas and Fort Irwin, California...."

~ http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/defending-an-islamofascist-with-u-s-troops/

As a result of his overreach, there is massive opposition to Morsi’s oppressive regime. A liberal secular group known as the Rebels has collected 15 million signatures on petitions calling for Morsi’s impeachment. That number represents a substantially larger total than the 13.2 million votes Morsi got in the 2012 election. The group intends to deliver the petitions to Egypt’s Supreme Constitutional Court, the nation’s highest, prior to the June 30 demonstrations. ”The regime did not take one step toward fulfilling the goals of the revolution,” said Rebel volunteer Amir Mahrous, 21, who was gathering signatures in Cairo. “This is why we are rebelling again.”

~ http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/06/26/mullah-obama-sending-troops-to-egypt-to-protect-mohamed-morsis-islamofascists-from-the-people/


Edited by Hands Sandon - 6/27/13 at 6:52am
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Wherever you are, sign the petition to allow Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller to come to the UK- http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/robert-spencer-britain-bans-freedom-fighters.html

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For that is why the ban came down. The Home Office’s letter to me said:
 
You are reported to have stated the following:
 
[Islam] is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society because media and general government unwillingness to face the sources of Islamic terrorism these things remain largely unknown.
 
I said no such thing, of course. I generally speak and write in coherent English. But the point is clear enough. I certainly have pointed out that Islam mandates warfare against unbelievers. This is not really a controversial point to anyone who has studied Islam at all. One man who has done so has said that “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
 
What venomous Islamophobe said that? Omar Ahmad, cofounder of the “civil rights” organization known as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Another notorious hatemonger explained that “the Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state.” That Islamophobe was Majid Khadduri, an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown.
 
Yet another anti-Muslim bigot was Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.
 
A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law endorsed by the most prestigious institution in Sunni Islam, Al-Azhar University in Cairo, says that the leader of the Muslims “makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax,” and cites Qur’an 9:29 in support of this idea: “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o9.8)
 
Oh, the Islamophobia! How did it penetrate even to the hallowed halls of al-Azhar? How did all these Islamic scholars get the hateful idea that Islam teaches warfare and subjugation, which the British Home Secretary knows is an idea not conducive to the public good?
 
Ultimately, it’s unclear how all these (and many other) venerable authorities on Islam came to misunderstand it in such an Islamophobic way, but in any case, it is a good thing Home Secretary Theresa May is keeping all this Islamophobia and hatred out of Britain. Britons will not be subjected to hateful misrepresentations of Islam like this spectacularly noxious bit of Islamophobia:
 
Devotion to jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls, and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer. Allah said that if a man fights the infidels, the infidels will be unable to prepare to fight.
 
You may be wondering if it was I or Pamela Geller who penned that hate-filled misrepresentation of the beautiful Islamic doctrine of jihad. But in fact, it was neither one of us. It was Mohammed al-Arefe, a Saudi Muslim cleric who believes that shedding Infidel blood and smashing Infidel skulls is pleasing to his god.
 
Apparently believing that such violence is an Islamic imperative is just fine with the British Home Office as long as one does so approvingly: Mohammed al-Arefe was just last week admitted into Britain without any difficulty. If one believes that such violence is an Islamic imperative but opposes it, however, watch out: that is not conducive to the public good.
 
Thus Britain has not actually banned the truth about Islam. You can get into Britain if you believe that Islam mandates warfare against unbelievers. You just have to think warfare against unbelievers is a fine thing to pursue.
 
And thus the foremost lesson arising from the banning of Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer is this: the unbelievers in Britain don’t stand a chance.

Edited by Hands Sandon - 6/27/13 at 7:25am
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He seems to be maturing though, and he isn't afraid to speak up, despite serious threats on his life, including a plan to kill him failing .

One of his convictions is from THIS YEAR.

As a fellow Christian, why aren't you condemning his actions?
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One of his convictions is from THIS YEAR.

As a fellow Christian, why aren't you condemning his actions?

I do. I'm not surprised though he's a working class guy, who has been in fights. The middle classes are all too scared to speak up for fear of the consequences. The media machine has branded anyone who does a "racist", and it's been extremely effective. 

 

It's only in private the middle class speak up, and they are angry too.

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