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You linked to this whole thread to justify calling me a bigot!

 

Yes.

 

 

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That just goes to show that you either haven't read what I've posted, or more likely you're uncomfortable talking about the threats from Islam, and so resort to name calling.

 

No. It goes to show that I know how to call something that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...a duck.

 

 

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People justify their insanely cruel punishments in the Islamic world to themselves through Islam.

 

People justify their insanely cruel policies and laws and actions in the overall world to themselves through their good intentions too. What's your point?

 

 

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They think they're doing good, I don't, and I'm horrified that you would think that makes me either a bigot or someone that simply derides people as being "bad" for no other reason than bigotry.

 

Sorry that this horrifies you. It seems to me that you have deliberately attempted to accuse me of being personally responsible for police gun deaths (and even citizen caused gun deaths) when I have not been. You've implied bigotry on my part because I have said that individuals have a right to discriminate based on whatever characteristics they wish to no matter how distasteful or offensive or unwise I might find such discrimination.

 

 

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The problem of having countries like Germany, the Netherlands and many other European countries being more than 50% muslim in the coming years is truly appalling. There has to be a serious reduction in immigration to Europe by muslims and there also has to be much better integration of the one's who are already here. Europe is now full of no go areas for non-muslims, and especially Jews. Islam and Europe are not mixing well at all.

 

And you wonder why you're being called a bigot? 1eek.gif

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #82 of 342
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Yes.

 

 

 

No. It goes to show that I know how to call something that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...a duck.

 

 

 

People justify their insanely cruel policies and laws and actions in the overall world to themselves through their good intentions too. What's your point?

 

 

 

Sorry that this horrifies you. It seems to me that you have deliberately attempted to accuse me of being personally responsible for police gun deaths (and even citizen caused gun deaths) when I have not been. You've implied bigotry on my part because I have said that individuals have a right to discriminate based on whatever characteristics they wish to no matter how distasteful or offensive or unwise I might find such discrimination.

 

 

 

And you wonder why you're being called a bigot? 1eek.gif

That was a recent discussion here so it should be relatively easy for you to quote where I ever called you a bigot. I'm quite sure I wouldn't have though, unlike here, where you are calling me one. 

 

The last paragraph you quote of mine you say makes me a bigot. So when I worry about a group of people who will have the political power to destroy liberty and democracy on a continent I live, you call me a bigot. Isn't it ironic that you regularly post how you have the same type of concerns in the US. Does that make you a bigot? No it doesn't, and I and a lot of people like me aren't bigots either.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #83 of 342
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For anyone who's become stressed out by watching the videos I've been posting, here's one that might remedy that somewhat-

 

 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #84 of 342
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That was a recent discussion here so it should be relatively easy for you to quote where I ever called you a bigot. I'm quite sure I wouldn't have though, unlike here, where you are calling me one.

 

I didn't say you called me one, but that you implied I am one.

 

 

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The last paragraph you quote of mine you say makes me a bigot. So when I worry about a group of people who will have the political power to destroy liberty and democracy on a continent I live, you call me a bigot. Isn't it ironic that you regularly post how you have the same type of concerns in the US. Does that make you a bigot? No it doesn't, and I and a lot of people like me aren't bigots either.

 

Well first of all, I'm not calling for immigration limitation on liberals and socialists and what not. Second, you continue to paint a fairly broad (and bigoted) brush with statements like "being more than 50% muslim in the coming years is truly appalling".

 

But, hey, if expressing great concern over groups of people that I believe are destroying liberty (don't care about democracy...that leads to tyranny of its own) and calling for limits on their immigration is not bigotry...then, okay, I'll jump on board! Let's have limits on immigration to the US of anyone adhering to a neo-liberal/socialist/Marxist/communist ideology!

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #85 of 342
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I didn't say you called me one, but that you implied I am one.

 

 

 

Well first of all, I'm not calling for immigration limitation on liberals and socialists and what not. Second, you continue to paint a fairly broad (and bigoted) brush with statements like "being more than 50% muslim in the coming years is truly appalling".

I don't think you're a bigot and I never implied that I thought you were one. I wanted to make it clear I thought you're position would cause far more harm than good to a lot of people, making things generally far worse in the US. I suggest you re-read the posts where you perceived that I was implying you are bigoted to see that in fact I was doing no such thing.

 

Statements like the 50% one's can certainly appear bigoted, I don't deny that. It's difficult though because that is a real possibility and it's not like I hate muslims, but I hate what they can do to Europe's way of life. Whilst they can and do offer a lot to society they also are trying to change it in ways I think you too would find appalling.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #86 of 342
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But, hey, if expressing great concern over groups of people that I believe are destroying liberty (don't care about democracy...that leads to tyranny of its own) and calling for limits on their immigration is not bigotry...then, okay, I'll jump on board! Let's have limits on immigration to the US of anyone adhering to a neo-liberal/socialist/Marxist/communist ideology!

America already doesn't allow immigrants who won't swear an oath of allegiance and defend the constitution. 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #87 of 342
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I don't think you're a bigot and I never implied that I thought you were one. I wanted to make it clear I thought you're position would cause far more harm than good to a lot of people, making things generally far worse in the US. I suggest you re-read the posts where you perceived that I was implying you are bigoted to see that in fact I was doing no such thing.

 

Fair enough. You were merely expressing your opinion about the possible outcome of truly supporting everyone's basic, natural rights. I apologize then for inferring that you were implying I was a bigot.

 

 

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Statements like the 50% one's can certainly appear bigoted, I don't deny that. It's difficult though because that is a real possibility and it's not like I hate muslims, but I hate what they can do to Europe's way of life. Whilst they can and do offer a lot to society they also are trying to change it in ways I think you too would find appalling.

 

I agree, that's certainly possible. There are a lot of people who, based on their ideology, would visit great havoc upon society. I don't know what to do about that either except maintain a constant vigilance in trying to inform and persuade more people that pursuing liberty and vigorously protecting and respecting everyone's basic, natural rights of life, liberty and property (as well as the obvious and natural derivative rights like defense, trade/exchange, association, etc.) is the better way to go.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #88 of 342
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Fair enough. You were merely expressing your opinion about the possible outcome of truly supporting everyone's basic, natural rights. I apologize then for inferring that you were implying I was a bigot.

 

 

 

I agree, that's certainly possible. There are a lot of people who, based on their ideology, would visit great havoc upon society. I don't know what to do about that either except maintain a constant vigilance in trying to inform and persuade more people that pursuing liberty and vigorously protecting and respecting everyone's basic, natural rights of life, liberty and property (as well as the obvious and natural derivative rights like defense, trade/exchange, association, etc.) is the better way to go.

I guess sometimes when people are posting here, at least for me personally anyway, thoughts can be abbreviated, so to speak, due to time constraints etc, and that can cause confusion. If that's what I did earlier, I apologize for that, and I'll try to be more careful in the future.

 

I can't help think, given that I think you favour completely open borders, that you would be shooting yourself in the foot with regards to liberty and freedom by allowing muslims to become the dominating voting block. Heck, they need only be a small minority and radically change the US. That's what they are doing pretty successfully already actually, given their very limited numbers in the US. I'm surprised more Libertarians aren't shouting from the rooftops about the Islamic threats. The US's relationship with Europe is a vital one to US interests in many ways, so it should concern Americans what happens here. 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #89 of 342
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I can't help think, given that I think you favour completely open borders, that you would be shooting yourself in the foot with regards to liberty and freedom by allowing muslims to become the dominating voting block. Heck, they need only be a small minority and radically change the US. That's what they are doing pretty successfully already actually, given their very limited numbers in the US. I'm surprised more Libertarians aren't shouting from the rooftops about the Islamic threats.

 

First, I think you realize that, along with open borders, I advocate for a much smaller and less powerful state for which said voting blocs would have any control.

 

Second, there are already threats to liberty and basic, natural rights within the US and most of them don't seem to be of the Islamic variety. In other words, I'm not overly concerned about a specific Islamic threat to liberty and rights but rather the general and broader threats.

 

Finally, perhaps libertarians don't see a threat from Muslims as you obviously do. Perhaps those of us who don't see such a grave threat are wrong. Maybe not.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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I'm sure people remember the intense campaign to stop a US Christian man burning a Koran in order to save lives and property from rioting muslims worldwide. In Egypt blasphemy laws are now taking hold, and unsurprisingly it's Christians who are being abused through them. In one case though a Christian took to court the man in this video for tearing up and then burning the bible at the US embassy in Cairo in front of a large hysterical mob of Islamic lost souls. The court for some odd reason thought it wasn't blasphemous and threw the case out.

 

Decide for yourself-

 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #91 of 342
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Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post

 

First, I think you realize that, along with open borders, I advocate for a much smaller and less powerful state for which said voting blocs would have any control.

 

Second, there are already threats to liberty and basic, natural rights within the US and most of them don't seem to be of the Islamic variety. In other words, I'm not overly concerned about a specific Islamic threat to liberty and rights but rather the general and broader threats.

 

Finally, perhaps libertarians don't see a threat from Muslims as you obviously do. Perhaps those of us who don't see such a grave threat are wrong. Maybe not.

It's likely that for the US to keep growing it's economy and the richest to get ever richer, increased Muslim immigration will be viewed by many politicians as a necessity, as it is in Europe. There'll be plenty more willing migrants in the years ahead as GW causes severe food shortages due to failed crops and the ensuing fights over increasingly limited resources leaving countless refugees, many of whom will be muslim needing somewhere to go.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #92 of 342
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There'll be plenty more willing migrants in the years ahead as GW causes severe food shortages due to failed crops and the ensuing fights over increasingly limited resources leaving countless refugees, many of whom will be muslim needing somewhere to go.

 

Paging Reverend Malthus.

 

Paging Reverend Malthus.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #93 of 342
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Paging Reverend Malthus.

 

Paging Reverend Malthus.

Ah, the old "Paging Reverend Malthus" argument! Easy to do for a comfortably off first worlder, not so much for millions of other people though.

 

You might want to watch this documentary film when it becomes available- http://www.climaterefugees.com/Home.html

 

Here's the YouTube trailer- 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #94 of 342
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Beautiful newly discovered colour film of London in 1927. Whatever happens in London in the future it'll never be quite the same ever again. Hopefully people will respect its past and what made it such a beautiful and vibrant place to live-

 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #95 of 342
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Must watch video for all those here who want to stifle free speech about Islam-

 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #96 of 342
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Must watch video for all those here who want to stifle free speech about Islam-

 

 

Who here wants to stifle free speech about Islam?

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #97 of 342
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Interesting quick look at the history of muslims trying to take over Europe-

 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #98 of 342
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Who here wants to stifle free speech about Islam?

Do you really think that calling me a bigot and Islamaphobic is going to help facilitate an open dialogue on Islam? Extreme terms like those, everyone knows, have been used by the media especially to isolate people and to end serious discussions. If you think I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that those aren't your intentions and all the other similar comments in this thread, you're wrong. I'm surprised actually that you wouldn't know better given that Libertarians themselves have been isolated and stifled by those tactics more than any other political group in the US. You have nonetheless engaged in the discussion of this thread, certainly more so than anyone else, so credit where it's due. Shame there aren't more given the importance of the topic.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #99 of 342
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Do you really think that calling me a bigot and Islamaphobic is going to help facilitate an open dialogue on Islam?

 

Only in the same way that your approach to this subject is actually facilitating an open dialogue on Islam. You don't really want an open and honest discussion, you simply wanted to create a spam thread to vent your frustrations with what you view as the dangers is presents.

 

 

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Extreme terms like those, everyone knows, have been used by the media especially to isolate people and to end serious discussions.

 

Indeed that's often true. We've seen in the same-gender marriage or homosexual "rights" "discussions." However, you have repeatedly posted, in this thread, words and in a manner that strongly suggests both a bigotry and a genuine Islam-o-phobia (fear of Islam). You've actually been quite explicit about the fear part.

 

 

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If you think I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that those aren't your intentions and all the other similar comments in this thread, you're wrong.

 

I don't care what you give me (or don't.) But, when you post in bigoted and fear-fueled things in a public forum, expect to be called out on it.

 

 

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I'm surprised actually that you wouldn't know better given that Libertarians themselves have been isolated and stifled by those tactics more than any other political group in the US.

 

Your attempts to equate your being called out for your obvious bigotry, prejudice and overall fear of Islam and Muslims to those who are regularly marginalized for peacefully, eloquently and rationally speaking about and advocating liberty for everyone is rather laughable.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #100 of 342
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 You don't really want an open and honest discussion, you simply wanted to create a spam thread to vent your frustrations with what you view as the dangers is presents.

If that's what you think, I'm done with discussing things any further with you at all about this. 

 

The rest of your misguided post isn't worth any response from me. Enjoy your hate and ignorance far from me. Chow.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #101 of 342
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Enjoy your hate and ignorance far from me. Chow.

 

Project much?

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #102 of 342
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They want to restrict sex education and birth control, then force women to carry fetuses to term, some not even wanting to make a life-of-the-mother exemption.  Others are interested in harming, threatening to harm, or have harmed doctors that perform abortion procedures.  

 

You are kidding yourself if you call those Christians moderate.  

 

Just yesterday the FBI stopped an anti-government extremists from carrying out acts of terror.  

 

It's not just a racist, sexist religion.  It's not just a paranoid political ideology.  It's extremism.

 

BR, can you point out where this story (or any other sources you may have) references Christianity as a motivation for this guy's actions?

The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
post #103 of 342
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BR, can you point out where this story (or any other sources you may have) references Christianity as a motivation for this guy's actions?

 

Or even how the Christian faith is racist, sexist or "extremist" (used pejoratively to instantly discredit someone that doesn't fall within the "acceptable" range of thought and opinion)...or even a political ideology (let alone a paranoid one)?!

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

post #104 of 342
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Look at the effect on these young girls from those who won't face up to Islamic threats and scream "Islamaphobia" and worse, at those who confront it head on-

 

"‘Imams promote grooming rings’, Muslim leader claims...

 

The Oxford grooming ring was promoted by imams who encourage followers to think white women deserve to be “punished”, an Islamic leader has claimed.

 

 

To pretend it is not a problem is the Islamic community is “ideological denial”, Dr Hargey said.

“But then part of the reason this scandal happened at all is precisely because of such politically correct thinking. All the agencies of the state, including the police, the social services and the care system, seemed eager to ignore the sickening exploitation that was happening before their eyes.

“Terrified of accusations of racism, desperate not to undermine the official creed of cultural diversity, they took no action against obvious abuse.”

The men were allowed, he said, to come and go from care homes by the authorities, and if the situation had been reversed with gangs of white men preying on Muslim teenagers ”the state's agencies would have acted with greater alacrity.”

True Islam preaches respect for women but in mosques across the country a different doctrine is preached - “one that denigrates all women, but treats whites with particular contempt,” the Imam said.

The men are taught that women are “second-class citizens, little more than chattels or possessions over whom they have absolute authority," he claims in the column."

Their victims, aged between 11 and 15, were groomed and plied with alcohol and drugs before being sexually assaulted and forced into prostitution. They targeted "out of control" teenagers."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10061217/Imams-promote-grooming-rings-Muslim-leader-claims.html

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #105 of 342
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Why would anyone want to stop everyday peace loving muslims from raising money for women's shelters and other charitable causes and do so in such an Islamaphobic way? See the disturbing CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) video for yourself-

 

 

 

Now open your eyes and see that the protestors were angry at who were invited to speak, but CAIR didn't tell you that or about the two speakers. They wouldn't even divulge their names-

 

 

The protestors are really angry here, and I can understand that, but they did go too far with some of what they were saying/shouting. They don't want to see the Islamamification of the US, which is vital for America's future, and they certainly don't want these men encouraging others to commit acts of terror against innocent civilians, but they won't help stop that by appearing un-American.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #106 of 342
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Hundreds of Turkish and North African immigrants to Stockholm, Sweden riot over the last three days and in London muslims behead and disembowel a soldier in front of horrified and disgusted onlookers. Meanwhile Cameron wants Turkey with it's 76 million, mostly poor and 98% muslim population, to be allowed to quickly join the EU, and for it's people to spread themselves around Europe, a continent Turkey is not even in, and hey presto we'll have more riots and beheadings until people finally wake up. 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #107 of 342
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Run over, hacked, stabbed, disemboweled, beheaded and displayed in the middle of a busy London street, Lee Rigby, the father of a two year old, who fought on the front lines in Afghanistan. RIP.

 

Ministry of Defence undated handout photo of Drummer Lee Rigby, 25, from the 2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers who was named today as the soldier hacked to death in Woolwich yesterday. PRESS ASSOCIATION Photo. Issue date: Thursday May 23, 2013. See PA story POLICE Woolwich. Photo credit should read: MoD/PA Wire NOTE TO EDITORS: This handout photo may only be used in for editorial reporting purposes for the contemporaneous illustration of events, things or the people in the image or facts mentioned in the caption. Reuse of the picture may require further permission from the copyright holder.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #108 of 342

Hands - you've made your point - you hate Muslims; you don't need to keep repeating yourself. Perhaps you should have applied for a job with with either the Bush or Obama Administration to get your needs satisfied ... their senior policy makers are of the same Islamophobic mindset, and their actions have resulted in the equally violent deaths of 100s of THOUSANDS of innocent Muslim men women and children who have had their limbs blown off, guts spilled out and their brains splattered by "trillion dollar terrorism" raining down from the skies. The mass slaughter in the Middle East is sold to the dumbed-down public on the basis of lies by administrations hellbent on exerting control in the region.... for material gain. You concentrate on isolated incidents in which militants have carried out violence, yet you ignore the overall landscape, probably because it doesn't conform to what you read in the corporate weasel media, owned of the same league of cowards who profit from war. Never heard of blowback? Never heard of framing patsies to further an agenda? 

 

The number of people killed in the type of violent incident you keep plugging away at is but a miniscule fraction of the number of equally innocent people in Mid East nations - universally Muslim - at the hands of those who kill en masse, or authorize mass slaughter, for corporate profit... and racist sentiments clearly add to the bloodlust.

 

How does the carnage of 4.9 million Afghans killed sound to you? .... thats almost 1 in 7 of the entire population of that country. Not enough, perhaps?

 

How about large areas of S. Iraq being irradiated, effectively forever, by "depleted" uranium munitions? The first question that women giving birth in S Iraq ask their doctor, is not "is it a girl or a boy?" but, "does it look human" and "how deformed is it"?

 

 

 

Here some real statistics.... about a death toll so unimaginably huge its hard to comprehend. You get up in arms about the death a white Westerner at the hands of a Muslim militant in the same fashion that we were immersed, and enraged by, the grisly death of Daniel Pearl; the express aim of such blanket mass coverage was to smear the entire Muslim demographic in the minds of western people, presumably to further enrage and "justify" the unreported, equally violent mass slaughter overseas at OUR hands, using OUR weapons. 

 

 

I am as horrified by Lee Rigby's death as you are, or anyone. But I am horrified by the death of yet another Afghan child who gets blown up by one of millions of unexploded cluster bombs left behind by the West's ongoing reign of terror in that country. I imagine you don't give a flying **** about civilian deaths at the hands of terrorists, unless they are non-Muslim. 

 

 

This is what WE do to THEM, but every day, in any city in Afghanistan....

 

Who are the real terrorists?

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
post #109 of 342
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@islammi jo

 

I've already responded about the A & I wars, and I think there's a lot of people sick to death of Islam and the spread of Islam in the West, that also think those wars were inappropriate and regrettable, not least because of our brave soldiers who died defending their country from Islamic tyrants. Not much chance of their citizens rejecting Islamic leaders though. They want a backwards future like the Taliban offers. Egypt is now plummeting into a backwards hellhole.That's Islam for you, which I'm sure you'll defend with your dying breath.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
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A man and woman have been arrested relating to more atrocities in connection with the London terrorist attack yesterday-

 

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Detectives from the Counter Terrorism Command have made two further arrests today, Thursday 23 May, as part of their investigation into the murder of a soldier in Woolwich yesterday.
 
A 29-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder under PACE.
 
A 29-year-old woman arrested at residential address in south London on suspicion of conspiracy to murder under PACE. They both remain in custody at a south London police station.

 

 

~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/woolwich-latest-developments-live

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #111 of 342
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@islammi jo

 

I've already responded about the A & I wars, and I think there's a lot of people sick to death of Islam and the spread of Islam in the West, that also think those wars were inappropriate and regrettable, not least because of our brave soldiers who died defending their country from Islamic tyrants. Not much chance of their citizens rejecting Islamic leaders though. They want a backwards future like the Taliban offers. Egypt is now plummeting into a backwards hellhole.That's Islam for you, which I'm sure you'll defend with your dying breath.

Your response to the Afghanistan and Iraq wars is unrealistic and blinkered - clearly a product of the propaganda you absorb from the corporate media.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not subscribe to any of the "big business religions", be it Christianity, Islam or Judaism. The difference between you and I on this issue, is I do not support or condone terrorism and violence by any party. On the other hand, you appear to be a fervent supporter of state sponsored mass terrorism against the people of a religious order that you have learned to unconditionally hate - on account of the violent actions of a tiny minority of their number.

 

 

Meanwhile, some reality: Read and digest...if you dare have your own hatred and bias challenged:

 

 

 

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The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.

(We determined that approximately 118 of the terror attacks - or 4.9% - were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States.  In addition, there were approximately 168 attacks - or 7% - by anti-abortion activists, who tend to be Christian. Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional  - a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization -  carried out more than 120 bomb attacks on U.S. targets between 1974 and 1983, and there were some 41 attacks by Cuban exiles, and a number of attacks by other Latin American groups. If we look at worldwide attacks - instead of just attacks on U.S. soil - Sunni Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.  However: 1. Muslims are also the main victims of terror attacks worldwide; and 2. the U.S. backs the most radical types of Sunnis over more moderate Muslims and Arab secularists.)

Moreover, another study undertaken by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism – called ”Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism in the United States” – found:

 
 

Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated byreligious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing.

 

Preliminary findings from PPT-US data between 1970 and 2011 also illustrate a distinct shift in the dominant ideologies of these terrorist groups over time, with the proportion of emerging ethnonationalist/separatist terrorist groups declining and the proportion of religious terrorist groups increasing. However, while terrorist groups with religious ideologies represent 40 percent of all emergent groups from 2000-2011 (two out of five), they only account for seven percent of groups over time.

Similarly, a third study by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism Religion found that religion alone is not a key factor in determining which terrorists want to use weapons of mass destruction:

 
 

The available empirical data show that there is not a significant relationship between terrorist organizations’ pursuit of CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear) weapons and the mere possession of a religious ideology, according to a new quantitative study by START researchers Victor Asal, Gary Ackerman and Karl Rethemeyer.

Therefore, Muslims are not more likely than other groups to want to use WMDs.

* The Boston marathon bombing was not included in this analysis, as START has not yet updated its database to include 2013 terrorist attacks.  3 people died in the Boston attack.  While tragic, we are confident that non-Musliims killed more than 3 during this same period.

We are not experts in terrorism analysis.  We would therefore defer to people like Kurzman on the exact number.  However, every quantitative analysis of terrorism in the U.S. we have read shows that the percent of terror attacks carried out by Muslims is far less than 10%.

Postscript: State-sponsored terrorism is beyond the scope of this discussion, and was not included in our statistical analysis.  Specifically, the following arguments are beyond the scope of this discussion, as we are focusing solely on non-state terrorism:

  • Arguments by  University of Michigan Professor Juan Cole that deaths from 20th century wars could be labeled Christian terrorism

 

 

 

 

 

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Your response to the Afghanistan and Iraq wars is unrealistic and blinkered - clearly a product of the propaganda you absorb from the corporate media.

So me thinking they were a mistake is "unrealistic and blinkered"? Are you denying that the Taliban and Hussein were tyrants? What's your beef here?

 

 

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Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not subscribe to any of the "big business religions", be it Christianity, Islam or Judaism. The difference between you and I on this issue, is I do not support or condone terrorism and violence by any party. On the other hand, you appear to be a fervent supporter of state sponsored mass terrorism against the people of a religious order that you have learned to unconditionally hate - on account of the violent actions of a tiny minority of their number.

 

 

What terrorism are you referring to that you think I support? I don't unconditionally hate muslims either. I don't hate muslims full stop, as I've repeatedly stated in this thread, but you ignore that. What I hate is the damaging effect that Islam has on the lives of muslims and non-muslims alike. This thread is aimed at informing people about those very real dangers. Being called racist and islamaphobic constantly has not stopped me posting here and will not. What you are doing is what our politicians are doing, media and muslims themselves are doing which is to mischaracterise and demonise people for speaking out. I really would have thought you'd know better, but like I said to MJ, you're conditioned to fear Islam. You have been so brainwashed you can't stand seeing the truth. It's the ugliness behind the veneer that you've been told not to question.

 

The "silent revolution" as muslim elites call it, is happening in Europe at an unprecedented pace, and it's people like you that are allowing it to build into a force we don't want, as no civilised person would want. We don't want to see separate graveyards for women, separate swimming pool hours for women, separate seating in universities for women. We don't want to see gays beaten up and killed, we don't want to see a community that hates the country that they live and intimadates ambulance drivers, fire fighters and even the police from entering the neighbourhoods where they live. People are being hounded away from there homes, Jews live in fear. Many of them want to live completely separate lives. Watch this video where a Jew pretends to be an Arab to gain insight into these European communities. Who in their right minds could want this to happen to their country? Video- 

 

 

 

 

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Meanwhile, some reality: Read and digest...if you dare have your own hatred and bias challenged:

 

All terrorism is wrong. Don't think that Islamic terrorism is no big deal just because other terrorism exists. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
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US Mosques spreading hatred like Mosquitoes spread disease-

 

"According to Obama in his speech today, "The best way to prevent violent extremism is to work with the Muslim American community – which has consistently rejected terrorism – to identify signs of radicalization, and partner with law enforcement when an individual is drifting towards violence."
 
The Muslim American community has consistently rejected terrorism? Four separate studies since 1998 have all found that 80% of U.S. mosques were teaching jihad, Islamic supremacism, and hatred and contempt for Jews and Christians. There are no countervailing studies that challenge these results. In 1998, Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a Sufi leader, visited 114 mosques in the United States. Then he gave testimony before a State Department Open Forum in January 1999, and asserted that 80% of American mosques taught the “extremist ideology.”
 
Then there was the Center for Religious Freedom’s 2005 study, and the Mapping Sharia Project’s 2008 study. Each independently showed that upwards of 80% of mosques in America were preaching hatred of Jews and Christians and the necessity ultimately to impose Islamic rule.
 
And in the summer of 2011 came another study showing that only 19% of mosques in U.S. don’t teach jihad violence and/or Islamic supremacism.
 
Specifically:
 
A random survey of 100 representative mosques in the U.S. was conducted to measure the correlation between Sharia adherence and dogma calling for violence against non-believers. Of the 100 mosques surveyed, 51% had texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% had texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% had no violent texts at all. Mosques that presented as Sharia adherent were more likely to feature violence-positive texts on site than were their non-Sharia-adherent counterparts. In 84.5% of the mosques, the imam recommended studying violence-positive texts. The leadership at Sharia-adherent mosques was more likely to recommend that a worshiper study violence-positive texts than leadership at non-Sharia-adherent mosques. Fifty-eight percent of the mosques invited guest imams known to promote violent jihad. The leadership of mosques that featured violence-positive literature was more likely to invite guest imams who were known to promote violent jihad than was the leadership of mosques that did not feature violence-positive literature on mosque premises.
 
That means that around 1,700 mosques in the U.S. are preaching hatred of infidels and justifying violence against them.
 
Moreover, Hamas-linked CAIR's position is clear. They don't want people "snitching" to law enforcement about jihad activity:
 
And a former Hamas-linked CAIR official, the thuggish Cyrus McGoldrick, has threatened "snitches":
 
He has done this before. And so the question is inevitable: who exactly among Muslims in the U.S. does Obama think is going to help him against jihad terror?"
 
Advice from CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations)-

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"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
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Fairly graphic video of the police shooting the muslim terrorists-

 

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"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
post #115 of 342

Worry about your own country first!
 

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Let them rot in hell what they did to this poor soldier who had a family and gave his life for his country fighting in Afghanistan. I hope these two die!

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Don't worry Hands Sandon!

 

We are probably complete political opposites, and we disagree on a lot of issues, but you are right about the extremist Islamic threat!

 

It's the world's most serious cancer at the moment, and it must be destroyed.

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Looks like MI5, the UK domestic intelligence service, had been trying to recruit this guy.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330771/Woolwich-murder-suspect-offered-job-MI5-months-ago-claims-childhood-friend.html

 

 

*Michael Adebolajo was 'followed by MI5' after a trip to Kenya, claims friend

*Murder suspect claimed MI5 wanted information about 'certain individuals'

*Abu Nusaybah said security service was also bugging Adebolajo

*'They won't leave me alone' Adebolajo reportedly told friend...

 

The familiar pattern emerging again?

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Looks like MI5, the UK domestic intelligence service, had been trying to recruit this guy.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330771/Woolwich-murder-suspect-offered-job-MI5-months-ago-claims-childhood-friend.html

 

 

*Michael Adebolajo was 'followed by MI5' after a trip to Kenya, claims friend

*Murder suspect claimed MI5 wanted information about 'certain individuals'

*Abu Nusaybah said security service was also bugging Adebolajo

*'They won't leave me alone' Adebolajo reportedly told friend...

 

The familiar pattern emerging again?

They need informants. Muslims, especially in Europe and especially the young radical ones, stick together like no one else. An impenetrable darkness so to speak, thus the eagerness to recruit them. Shame they underestimated their faith and adherence to Islam. They should have been locked up, or preferably deported, but I don't think, like most muslims do, they had two passports.


Edited by Hands Sandon - 5/25/13 at 3:24pm
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Don't worry Hands Sandon!

 

We are probably complete political opposites, and we disagree on a lot of issues, but you are right about the extremist Islamic threat!

 

It's the world's most serious cancer at the moment, and it must be destroyed.

Looks like you're the only one here with similar views. Must say that it wasn't long ago that I too was more like islammi jo and MJ1970; ignorant of the real issues. 

 

Islam unfortunately is a cancer, especially in Europe, but even more so are our politicians. They've got us on a bad diet, no exercise and smoking 60 a day. God help us.

"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
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