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post #41 of 65

No. Philips does not pay me. I just have more money than you and buy nice products that I actually use.1biggrin.gif
 

post #42 of 65
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That's untrue. They are advertised as so many years OR HOURS, whichever comes first. Read the fine print. They last the same as regular light bulbs, perhaps a little longer I'm some cases. We've been using them for years, and since recently regular light bulbs are no longer being sold in Ireland by legal mandate.

True, if you don't use a bulb, incandescents will be far cheaper than LED and yet last just as long! But if you use the light, LED will pay for itself. Prior to the latest generation of LEDs, CFL was the most cost-effective technology because both LED and CFL operated at about the same lumens-per-watt efficiency. Not any more. Even if the CFLs are given to you free (but under the same condition that you actually use the light), a bulb like Cree's will pay for itself.

 

LEDs last ~25,000 hours of usage. They typically don't burn out, but just slowly lose 20% of their brightness over those many hours and still keep on working (at least that's what I've read and hope. ;-)

 

Household LEDs don't emit UV light either, so they don't deteriorate fabric and other materials and don't attract bugs (no yellow lights required outdoors).

 

CFLs also have a low power factor (bad), whereas LEDs have a high power factor (good). Your utility company appreciates LEDs for this reason, too.

 

Do you ever leave a CFL turned on when you leave a room because you think you might come back later and you don't want to wait for it to warm up again? Or you think you might come back soon and you don't want to wear out the ballast by turning the light on and off so often? None of these is a concern with LED lighting--just turn them on and off whenever you need/want.


Edited by Cpsro - 5/1/13 at 11:26am
post #43 of 65
post #44 of 65

21st century Lava Lamp.  In other words, a novelty item.

 

I've replaced several bulbs in the house with LED MR-16 replacements.

And two of those stupid 4 watt nightlight bulbs that burn out every 3 months.

Just got sick and tired of replacing bulbs.  Hoping the LEDs will last far longer.

 

And I suspect most consumers who swap out incandescent bulbs with

white-light LEDs will be doing it for reliability and energy efficiency.

iPhone-controlled multi-colored LEDs are the Google TV of home furnishings.

A true toaster-fridge.

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post #45 of 65
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

True, if you don't use a bulb, incandescents will be far cheaper than LED and yet last just as long! But if you use the light,  LED will pay for itself. Prior to the latest generation of LEDs, CFL was the most cost-effective. Not any more, even if the CFLs are given to you free (but under the same condition that you actually use the light).

 

LEDs last ~25,000 hours of usage. They typically don't burn out after that time, but just slowly lose 20% of their brightness and still keep on working (at least that's what I've read and hope. ;-)

 

Household LEDs don't emit UV light either, so they don't deteriorate fabric and other materials and don't attract bugs (no yellow lights required outdoors).

 

 

100% spot on. LED bulbs are great - after I showed them to a friend he went and bought some too. He likes it because he can set different moods for different activities. The good thing is eventually as technology improves, and resources are readily available, the cost will come down. In the long run, these bulbs will save you more money.

post #46 of 65
Lifx has no hub, unlike Hue, and can be contolled from any where in the world. I have never been a fan of connecting via Bluetooth . Let the competition rise!!!
post #47 of 65
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The good thing is eventually as technology improves, and resources are readily available, the cost will come down. In the long run, these bulbs will save you more money.

Just to clarify, this is already true (LEDs will save you money) for bulbs that are used frequently. If you don't like to have delicate, mercury-laced devices around, that's another reason to switch from CFL now. And as you indicate, as prices decrease, LEDs will become cost-effective in more usage scenarios.

post #48 of 65
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Lifx has no hub, unlike Hue, and can be contolled from any where in the world. I have never been a fan of connecting via Bluetooth . Let the competition rise!!!

While LIFX is great and all, the difference is costly.

 

Hue is $60 a bulb. (forgot to mention needing a starter pack $200, but that come with 3 bulbs and the bridge)

LIFX is $80 a bulb, unless you buy 10+ then they are $70 a bulb.

 

That still costs a user $10 more a bulb. What is the vantage point? The lack of a bridge that is the size of an appleTV?

post #49 of 65
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Originally Posted by gonevw View Post

Lifx has no hub, unlike Hue, and can be contolled from any where in the world. I have never been a fan of connecting via Bluetooth . Let the competition rise!!!


Yeah, the only way I would ever consider going BT, is if they could control the proximity range, and have the bulbs turn on when in range (for automation!)

That is what would be a game changer for Bluebulb.

post #50 of 65

Bluetooth always on, sweet! I look forward to charging my iPhone twice a day.

 

Philips needs to sort out the abortion that is the app that controls their lights.

post #51 of 65

Re: efficiency of LEDs, the payback occurs faster than it might seem at first glance. Any unnecessary heat produced by lights will cost extra in the summer for the air conditioning required to remove that heat from your home/business. In the winter, you'll see lower total utility costs by using gas heat instead of electric heat from lights.

post #52 of 65
Originally Posted by Brunzilla View Post
No. Philips does not pay me. I just have more money than you and buy nice products that I actually use.1biggrin.gif

 

Well, they won't pay you anymore after the way you're representing their company here. 1oyvey.gif

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post #53 of 65
Who needs a wirelessly controlled light bulb? Is it so hard to get off the chair and turn off a light? This is absolutely one of the craziest products I've read about. Plus, $60 for a bulb! My gosh, my monthly entire house electric bill isn't that much most months! How much is this saving me over X years? Oh right, it's saving me all the extra weight in my wallet.
post #54 of 65
What is a normal bulbs lumens(60 watt incandescent) to compare the power because it might be better than the bulbs we had...
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Originally Posted by KindredMac View Post

Not sold on Bluetooth connectivity.
I have Hue in my home and as long as there is a WiFi signal I have control of the bulbs.
I also like that I can remotely turn on and off my lights from anywhere in the world for security purposes.
However Bluetooth now reaches distances closer to 50 feet(unless you are in a large open area that is pretty good and cheaper for overall design) where you pick which one and click, can you organize the bulbs in groups to control?
post #55 of 65
Ugliest bulb I have ever seen. Crying out loud why on earth would you put something with a big black band around it on your ceiling or in lamp. It lacks all imagination in terms of design. The lights clearly went out when it came to design atheistics and thinking of the living room. Shame. Nice idea otherwise.
post #56 of 65

I think it's pretty terse of you to consider he or she works for Phillips just because they joined the forum today. I have the basic Phillips Hue pack of three and love it and I know I can set it up to basically control my whole house (haven't done that yet).  I just use it to set the mood for various TV shows I'm watching :)  or to run a light show with music.  You can check my join date and know I'm not a Phillip employee.  Psh.

post #57 of 65
Originally Posted by jkichline View Post
You can check my join date and know I'm not a Phillip employee.

 

Join date ≠ Philips employee. Only posts ever made being about Philips in a thread about a competitor = Philips employee.

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post #58 of 65
You could not get rid of light switches. If you lost your iOS device or your iPhone was out of power itself, or some other such scenario, well, ...you know...
post #59 of 65
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

LED bulbs are useless for any kind of serious illumination (despite what it says on the box of millions of "LED flashlights")

 

Not true. It may be true for the toy flashlights you find in the checkout lines but not for quality LED lights. Companies like Surefire, Olight and Fenix make amazing LED flashlights. They typically use CREE brand emitters and are used extensively in police, military and SAR applications. I'm a SAR volunteer and I have some flashlights that can literally light up a football field. We're talking about thousands of lumens. Some of the super high end LED lights can even give HID torches a run for their money. If that's not "serious illumination" I don't know what is. And CREE emitters are now finding their way into household bulbs too.

post #60 of 65
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Originally Posted by Curtis Hannah View Post

What is a normal bulbs lumens(60 watt incandescent)...

 

Maybe 800 lumens. There are plenty of LED emitters that can equal that and more.

post #61 of 65

I backed them on Kickstarter and grabbed 10 for 50 each, Maybe I should have grabbed more

post #62 of 65

Limitless LED offers similar bulbs which are available right now and are considerably less expensive. Instead of requiring an iPhone app, these also work with a clever and inexpensive remote ($7) and are available in color and white models. I bought several for my place and they work great and took seconds to install.

 

Only downside is that shipping costs from New Zealand push up the total expense, but still a whole lot cheaper than $60 per bulb ($16). 

 

http://www.limitlessled.com

 


Edited by freediverx - 5/5/13 at 8:11am
post #63 of 65
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Originally Posted by fyngyrz View Post

Too expensive, too dim, inadequate radiation pattern, poor device support (seriously... ipad1 has bluetooth, etc... there's no reason other than developer cluelessness to limit the app to only the latest devices. Also, there's like a bazillion Androids out there. Derp?)
 

 

Most of those bazillion Android owners are not the sort to spend $60 on a light bulb.

 

"The truth is, the average Android user is not the same as the average iPhone user. iPhone users surf the web more, they’re more willing to buy software, they’re more willing to install and use apps. Some of these stats aren’t even close."

 

-John Gruber

 

http://daringfireball.net/2012/01/the_church_of_market_share

 


Edited by freediverx - 5/5/13 at 6:51am
post #64 of 65
Sure, just let me turn the lights on. Oh, wait, were did I leave my phone, I can't see a thing... Ah wait, found it. Now where's that app again... Ok, come on, just connect. Ah, there we go, now let's select the right bulb, and on.
Seriously? Who would want to go through that?
post #65 of 65
Originally Posted by pnuding View Post
Sure, just let me turn the lights on. Oh, wait, were did I leave my phone, I can't see a thing... Ah wait, found it. Now where's that app again... Ok, come on, just connect. Ah, there we go, now let's select the right bulb, and on.
Seriously? Who would want to go through that?

 

See, yeah. That's exactly it.

 

"Controls in the bulb" is the stupidest thing imaginable. It makes the bulbs far more expensive than they already are, and it's a usability nightmare. Smart controls are supposed to replace the SWITCH, so you wire up regular, stupid bulbs and have specialized hardware where the wall switch used to be. Then controls are on a per-room basis, and can even be split from there. 

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