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Samsung has some advice for buyers of the 16-gigabyte model of its new Galaxy S4 stung by its low storage space: if that's not enough storage for you, that's why we put in a microSD card slot.

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The 16GB version of Samsung's newest flagship handset has only just over half of its listed memory available for owner use, according to CNet UK. The rest is taken up by the smartphone's operating system and built-in apps.

"For the Galaxy S4 16GB model," Samsung said in a statement, "approximately 6.85GB occupies [the] system part of internal memory, which is 1GB bigger than that of the Galaxy S3, in order to provide [a] high resolution display and more powerful features to our consumers."

For users unsatisfied with the 8.49GB or so of free space left to them on the 16GB model, Samsung has a solution:

"To offer the ultimate mobile experience to our users, Samsung provides [a] microSD slot on Galaxy S4 for the extension of memory."

Galaxy S4 owners are able to expand their devices' storage capacity via microSD up to an additional 64GB, bringing the potential total capacity of the device to 80GB ? of which 73.15 would be available to the user. That additional space, though, couldn't be used to store apps, as Google removed that capability with Android 4.0. Users would, though, be able to store downloaded books, music, movies, and other files.

The disparity between listed storage and usable storage isn't particular to Samsung: device manufacturers typically list their capacities at the maximum amount the device could conceivably hold, regardless of how much is taken up by system software. The size of the disparity, though, is uncommon.

The Galaxy S4 has only about 55 percent of its storage capacity available to the user, as noted by ExtremeTech. An iPhone 5 running iOS 6.1, by comparison, will have about 77.5 percent of its capacity available for users.

Other notable manufacturers have encountered this problem with storage as well. The 64GB version of Microsoft's Surface Pro was said to ship with as little as 36 percent of its advertised capacity. Some 41GB of the device's storage was taken up with the Windows 8 OS, pre-installed apps, and a recovery partition. Removing that recovery image made the Surface Pro comparable to Apple's MacBook Air in terms of storage.
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"You're storing it wrong!"
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This just another reason why using android is more complicated than an iOS device. Plus the microSC card sales allow service providers the ability to bilk you for more money. (Most sheep consumers are not smart enough to know you can buy microSD else where and walk out with a card sold by the service provide at 2x to 3x the cost)

Plus Google has made it know they are against more storage on mobile devices they want you putting everything on their servers so you have solely dependent on them to get your content and use it.
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Until Apple supports USB3 for speed, I for one would love having the option of using a micro-SD card on my iPhone.
 

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It's time to get make 16GB the new 8GB. Phone operating systems and app stores have matured to the point 16GB is just enough for basic storage.

Manufacturers need to start using 32, 64 and 128GB chips.
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"You're storing it wrong!"

I seriously got a good chuckle out of this one!!! LOL

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Not a good recommendation unless you can say there are absolutely no restrictions on using an SD card vs internal storage.
Can you run apps from there?
If there is too much on internal storage, and you need to upgrade, will the phone use the SD card for temporary space?
Will it automatically move apps onto the SD card if it needs to?
Is there a good mechanism for upgrading the card and preserving all of the data?
How do you import photos into your photo app if the photo app is on the SD card?

It's better to just get more internal storage.
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It's time to get make 16GB the new 8GB. Phone operating systems and app stores have matured to the point 16GB is just enough for basic storage.

Manufacturers need to start using 32, 64 and 128GB chips.

 

iOs devices use less than 2GB on 16GB devices.

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post #9 of 131
using a Micro SD card vs SSD is like using a floppy instead of a hard drive.

I never much cared or even really used SD cards. Only on a digital camera I bought 10 years ago and rarely used because the batteries lasted only a couple of hours.
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Originally Posted by mvcl View Post

Until Apple supports USB3 for speed, I for one would love having the option of using a micro-SD card on my iPhone.

What would USB 3.0 do for the iPhone?

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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

It's time to get make 16GB the new 8GB. Phone operating systems and app stores have matured to the point 16GB is just enough for basic storage.

Manufacturers need to start using 32, 64 and 128GB chips.

I think that will happen this year but I don't think using 8GB for a mobile OS is commonplace. How large is iOS 6.1.4?

I also wonder how many customers actually use these larger capacities. Up until last year I always bought the max but never used it. Now I've gone to the minimum on my iPad and iPhone and it hasn't been an issue.

It's interesting that the iPhone 4 and 4S sell so well at 8GB. In 2007 the 4GB iPhone was short lived because people wanted 8GB but that is still a highly desirably size despite the OS growing to 8x(?) the original size.

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Edited by MacRulez - 7/24/13 at 10:45am
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They should change their slogan to:

"The Samsung Galaxy S4
Go Buy an SD card"
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Just wait until WWDC when Jony, Phil and company introduce the new leaner and cleaner iOS 7. When we learn how they went through the whole code to eliminate extraneous code with no functional purpose (i.e. those dreaded skeuromorphs) and found new methods to make the software function with more simplified code so that not only is it more stable, it takes up less of the storage space on your device, giving you more space for your photos, etc. 

 

And while they will not add 'unlike those other companies' we all know that's what they were thinking. Especially when they announce that they are removing several of the built in apps from the basic set up and making them optional but free downloads. Things like the calculator, compass, stocks and weather widgets. Saving users even more space and allowing them to choose which apps, if any, for those functions they want. 

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post #14 of 131
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Originally Posted by mvcl View Post

Until Apple supports USB3 for speed, I for one would love having the option of using a micro-SD card on my iPhone.

USB 3 won't change anything, the weak link in the chain is the flash chip.

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using a Micro SD card vs SSD is like using a floppy instead of a hard drive.

I never much cared or even really used SD cards. Only on a digital camera I bought 10 years ago and rarely used because the batteries lasted only a couple of hours.

Keep in mind that phones don't have SSD-like performance. SSDs get their speed because they run 8 or 16 chips in parallel banks, much like how computer RAM modules are banks of 8 or 16 chips each. Phones don't do anything like that.

By the way, I can go a couple days of heavy use on one of my cameras, taking 64GB of photos. Once, I went six months between battery charges on very light use, because the internal charge decay was so low.
Edited by JeffDM - 5/3/13 at 1:34pm
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If the iPhone took up that much space you can be certain the fandroid community, iTrolls, and bottomfeeding lawyers would demand Apple be sued for misleading advertising.

Yet hardly a peep.  Interesting the hypocrisy going on here.

And if Steve Jobs told folks "Go buy an SD card", that would add even more fuel to the fire.

Yet hardly a peep.

I swear.  Fandroids are the most hypocritical lot of folks around.  I guess they have such low standards and expect dismal support and service, they are used to it.

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Just wait until WWDC when Jony, Phil and company introduce the new leaner and cleaner iOS 7. When we learn how they went through the whole code to eliminate extraneous code with no functional purpose (i.e. those dreaded skeuromorphs) and found new methods to make the software function with more simplified code so that not only is it more stable, it takes up less of the storage space on your device, giving you more space for your photos, etc. 

And while they will not add 'unlike those other companies' we all know that's what they were thinking. Especially when they announce that they are removing several of the built in apps from the basic set up and making them optional but free downloads. Things like the calculator, compass, stocks and weather widgets. Saving users even more space and allowing them to choose which apps, if any, for those functions they want. 
can't wait for iOS 7 thinking it's going to be as beautiful as an iPad mini or iPhone 5
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This just another reason why using android is more complicated than an iOS device. Plus the microSC card sales allow service providers the ability to bilk you for more money. (Most sheep consumers are not smart enough to know you can buy microSD else where and walk out with a card sold by the service provide at 2x to 3x the cost)

Plus Google has made it know they are against more storage on mobile devices they want you putting everything on their servers so you have solely dependent on them to get your content and use it.

It's certainly not as bad as paying Apple $100 to get a bump in memory.

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using a Micro SD card vs SSD is like using a floppy instead of a hard drive.

I never much cared or even really used SD cards. Only on a digital camera I bought 10 years ago and rarely used because the batteries lasted only a couple of hours.

SD cards and cameras have come a long way in the last 10 years.

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It's certainly not as bad as paying Apple $100 to get a bump in memory.

So you think Apple should sell their component upgrades at cost?

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What would USB 3.0 do for the iPhone?
I think that will happen this year but I don't think using 8GB for a mobile OS is commonplace. How large is iOS 6.1.4?

I also wonder how many customers actually use these larger capacities. Up until last year I always bought the max but never used it. Now I've gone to the minimum on my iPad and iPhone and it hasn't been an issue.

It's interesting that the iPhone 4 and 4S sell so well at 8GB. In 2007 the 4GB iPhone was short lived because people wanted 8GB but that is still a highly desirably size despite the OS growing to 8x(?) the original size.

Doesn't the iPhone 4S now sell with a 16 GB SSD?
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If the iPhone took up that much space you can be certain the fandroid community, iTrolls, and bottomfeeding lawyers would demand Apple be sued for misleading advertising.


Yet hardly a peep.  Interesting the hypocrisy going on here.


And if Steve Jobs told folks "Go buy an SD card", that would add even more fuel to the fire.


Yet hardly a peep.


I swear.  Fandroids are the most hypocritical lot of folks around.  I guess they have such low standards and expect dismal support and service, they are used to it.

It's already extremely expensive despite sporting some clearly inferior components, like the display colour accuracy, yet they want you to go buy additional components. I guess that's not a big deal for many Android users as I've oft heard over the years that they like to have additional batteries for their devices instead of a single, long lasting battery.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
…approximately 6.85GB occupies [the] system part of internal memory…

 

Yes, iOS has ballooned since the 1.0, but that's just ludicrous. OS X doesn't even take that much space!

 

Once the iPhone 3GS and iPad 2 are finally kicked to the curb, dropping non-retina elements should be able to slim it down a little, too. 

 

Not so with Android!

 

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http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

 

Thanks for the completely meaningless link and zero context. Good to know that we can always count on you for worthless crap.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


So you think Apple should sell their component upgrades at cost?

Apple can sell their upgrades for whatever they want.  But who is the sheep when you can buy a 16 GB sd card for $10.

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And even if somebody goes out and buys a 64GB SD card, you can't store apps on it? lol.gif

 

And aren't SD cards much slower than internal Flash storage? That would make them not good for many purposes. 1smoking.gif

 

This is so damn amateurish. lol.gif What a joke. lol.gif

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Doesn't the iPhone 4S now sell with a 16 GB SSD?

I posted that without researching to verify the capacities so I very well could be mistaken.

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I wonder if Samsung has a patent on limiting the SD to data only.  If Apple was so inclined they could use a similar method, locking down the apps to prevent piracy but allowing the users use SD cards for data.  I just looked at my iPhone and I use about 1.7GB for apps.  My iPad is at home but I suspect it will have quite a bit more but probably still less than 10 Gb in apps.

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If the Galaxy allowed you to remove some of the pre-installed apps, that would be reasonable %u2013 but I'm guessing that's also not an option. Hey, but the 50% larger screen makes up for having 50% less apps, right?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

So you think Apple should sell their component upgrades at cost?

What isn't stated is that by the time the Android user buys the necessary extra battery, required SD cards as well as pay the higher cost for apps, the price easily passes the cost of an iPhone.
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using a Micro SD card vs SSD is like using a floppy instead of a hard drive.

I never much cared or even really used SD cards. Only on a digital camera I bought 10 years ago and rarely used because the batteries lasted only a couple of hours.

Seriously... Don't make your argument based on some experience you had 10 years ago.

You're not helping.

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This doesn't surprise me, samsung just makes the user think there doing them a favor by putting the sd card slot in like its a feature that is great. Its not. First like the article mentions above no apps on the sd card and second what the article does not mention sd is a ton slower than built in nand flash. I really mean a lot slower. Do a web search for sd speed versus built in nand flash. The results will surprise you with how much slower sd cards are.

For example SanDisk - Extreme Pro 16GB microSDHC UHS-I Class 10 which is the sd card class with the fastest spec is 95 MB/sec data rate and retails for $50.00.

The nand flash reads and writes in the iPhone 5 at 400MB/s.

The internal memory bandwidth of the LPDDR2 1066MHz in the iPhone 5 is 6500 MB/sec to 8500/sec
Micro sd's will never be as fast as internal memory on the mother board.
Theres a good article on the iPhone 5's internal memory speed here http://www.anandtech.com/show/6297/iphone-5-memory-size-and-speed-revealed-1gb-lpddr21066
Edited by Mechanic - 5/3/13 at 2:23pm
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Apple can sell their upgrades for whatever they want.  But who is the sheep when you can buy a 16 GB sd card for $10.

So you buy this 16GB SD Card for $10. Good for you. Now what? It doesn't work well on Android-based devices since you can't use it for apps, you need to manage the card, and it's slow as those that cal other sheep for making sound financial decisions. The only good news is that the average Android user isn't using 4.x so they'll be able to use their SD Card for apps.

As for your other poorly conceived notions I'll try to explain this as clear as possible but it's a bit abstract as one will have to look at the bigger picture to understand. First don't think of each iPhone model as a single entity. Think of the product line. Apple isn't charging you $100 for just the additional storage, they are charging you based on many criteria.

For instance, how many they manufacturer, how many they can sell at various tiers, etc. It's quite possible that the display that would make it in the low-end iPhone 5 won't make it into the high-end iPhone 5. Don't be ignorant to the fact that the same component, right down to the model number, can yield very different performance results.

Finally, the most important thing to remember is that Apple (like all for-profit companies) sells at what the market can bear. If it was just $10 for each doubling of NAND then you don't have a $450, $460, and $470 iPhone 5 range, you would more likely be closer to the $630, $640, and $650 iPhone 5 range to meet their margins. Now you have created a problem where Apple doesn't service the lower-end of the market and even in the US the subsidies still cost nearly $300 out of pocket. Now that you've foolishly destroyed that huge segment of the market economics of scale can't work as effectively thus reducing their profit margins which they may make up by increasing the price. You've also pushed nearly everyone to the 64GB model because $20 more to go from 16GB to 64GB is worth it which results in unsold product and completely fucking up the order. Nice job¡

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USB 3 won't change anything, the weak link in the chain is the flash chip.
This is meaningless. There is always a weak link but there is also continuous improvement. You can't justify or dismiss USB 3 based on yesterday's technology.
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Keep in mind that phones don't have SSD-like performance. SSDs get their speed because they run 8 or 16 chips in parallel banks, much like how computer RAM modules are banks of 8 or 16 chips each. Phones don't do anything like that.
Err maybe maybe not. At one point stack flash modules have been used. In any event technology evolves, if there is a real need Apple will find a way to implement faster flash subsystems. Think about it they bought Anobit which gives them access to the IP to realize better flash performance in mobile systems.
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By the way, I can go a couple days of heavy use on one of my cameras, taking 64GB of photos. Once, I went six months between battery charges on very light use, because the internal charge decay was so low.

People probably won't want to hear this one but I hardly pick up my DSLR anymore. IPhones quality might suck but the convenience makes a hug difference.

In any event my point is USB 3 is about future products not yesterday's.
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It's certainly not as bad as paying Apple $100 to get a bump in memory.

Correction... a bump in usable memory.Not saying its cheap, but let's be accurate here.

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In any event my point is USB 3 is about future products not yesterday's.

And if the flash chip isn't any faster than USB 2 then you're wasting power so people can have their dick swinging bragging rights. It's about practicality, not lame platitudes. I'm sure the interconnect will be updated when it actually helps, there's no reason to do it any sooner.
Edited by JeffDM - 5/3/13 at 2:22pm
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I swear.  Fandroids are the most hypocritical lot of folks around.  I guess they have such low standards and expect dismal support and service, they are used to it.

It's not just hypocritical, they scream lack of self-respect and self-esteem (considering how many of them keep polluting forums like this).

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"73.15(GB) would be available to the user. That additional space, though, couldn't be used to store apps, as Google removed that capability with Android 4.0."

Wow.

Aside from adding in the additional cost for a 64GB SD card (add roughly $50 to the cost of the phone), there's the matter of having enough space for apps. Since about half of my 32GB iPhone is used for apps, and roughly 60% of my 64GB iPad is the same, that sure wouldn't work for me.

This is like saying, "Your laptop ships with 100GB of free HD space, but you can only use 10GB of it for apps. Oh, but half of THAT space is already used by the OS..."

I think a good word to describe this is, maybe, "ludicrous"?
post #39 of 131
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Originally Posted by tjwal View Post

It's certainly not as bad as paying Apple $100 to get a bump in memory.

 

Although one could agree in principle, sort of, you kind of failed to mention they DOUBLE the memory per $100 increment… that's not just a "bump"...

 

16GB -> 32GB -> 64GB -> 128GB in $100 increments (using iPad as an example).

 

No-one will argue that Apple prices on RAM have always been on the high side. But I can vouch that it's top-flight memory that will rarely, if ever, have problems.

 

Not sure if your point is really that valid, but ok...

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In any event my point is USB 3 is about future products not yesterday's.

 

Thunderbolt is about future products, thunderbolt and lightning.

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