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Worldwide it was obviously 17%.....

Why don't you tell us what the global share is if you take out China (since Apple is not on China Mobile), India (where Apple is just getting started), and all the low-end crap that passes off for 'smartphone'. Have you taken a look at Samsungs's laughably pathetic ASP?
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That's right!! Do us all a favor and protest your distaste of DED by canceling your account and never returning to AI.  That's will make DED think twice before posting such nonsense!!  Go ahead. We're right behind you.  

 

I love DED's editorials because they flush out and expose the Apple hating trolls lurking here. His editorials are no more right or wrong than the editorials from professional Apple haters like Rob Enderle, Henry Blodget, Dan Lyons, etc. But since they are always pro Apple the trolls and haters come running out of the woodwork like cockroaches just sprayed with RAID. Kinda nice to see AI fumigated now and then.

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Eric Schmidt and Mark Zuckerberg are standing on the shoulders of Steve Jobs. If there was never an iPhone, do you really think Google would have spontaneously generated Android? Would Facebook be so ubiquitous without the popularization of an easy to use and understand pocket computer by Apple?

Say what?

So it wasn't the dedicated Facebook button on my HTC ChaCha, an Android powerhouse of yesteryear.
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post #165 of 201
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I love DED's editorials because they flush out and expose the Apple hating trolls lurking here. His editorials are no more right or wrong than the editorials from professional Apple haters like Rob Enderle, Henry Blodget, Dan Lyons, etc. But since they are always pro Apple the trolls and haters come running out of the woodwork like cockroaches just sprayed with RAID. Kinda nice to see AI fumigated now and then.

I wonder if he can keep them up once a week. He might have to move into making more predictions about the future or talking about how Apple's competitors are doing it the right or wrong way to keep the momentum going. I hope he has a path laid out because I do enjoy them during the tech news lull the weekend brings.

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post #166 of 201
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All of the above. Why couldn't they make their own OS? Apple did it, Palm did it, and BB did it. Do Apple, Google, and MS have the only programmers able to make a mobile OS? Nobody forced them to hitch their wagon to Android.

Because free is cheaper than developing your own. Apple developed iOS because the mobile OSes sucked at the time. I don't know if using palm is such a good example since they don't exist anymore.

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Wow! Denial is not only a river in Egypt.  I wonder how many of your fellow Apple fans agree with your rather crazy statements.

Maybe if it was 45:55%, but Android outsells iOS 3:1.  Is there some gigantic secret landfill full of Android phones which were shipped but not sold?

Remember USA <> World.

Outselling iOS or the iPhone?

Yes, it's called the warehouses of the vendors.
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I don't believe iOS is slipping in popularity either. But I also don't think it's true that 90% of tablets in use are iPads. Reading is a form of use, no? And is it true that iPhones 4, 4S and 5 remain the three most popular ones "on the planet"? Can you cite recent statistics to back that up (now this is a proper situation to ask for this)?

I don't know about the 4S but the 4 and 5 are the top two phone models in dec12 qtr.
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1) In the first part of the AnandTech review of the Galaxy S4 this was mentioned. I seem to recall the answer was to keep the brightness on auto. I keep my iPhone on maximum.

2)Just keep the screen brightness down and don't display anything that use a lot of white. Maybe that's why Android doesn't rate high on web usage stats. Too many websites with white backgrounds¡

3) I don't blame them for trying to keep it quite. Apple surely wouldn't want this to be known. The real question are: How widespread is it? And, how strong is Samsung's mind share that this will become a major issue even if it's affecting only a small number of users. Apple might have less than dominate handset market share for the world but they have a dominate marketshare for modern high-end phones and mindshare that even Google Now is installed on more iPhones than on Android phones. In the coming days this issue may be a way of seeing just how strong the Samsung and Galaxy brands really are.

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post #169 of 201
When Anandtech benchmarked the Nexus 4 it couldn't complete without throttling from overheating. So they list the Nexus 4 twice, once in the freezer and once at room temperature.

When I saw the Anandtech review of the GS4 they also had a"freezer" listing when running Sunspider.
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Daniel Eran Dilger becomes more and more verbose and overly theoretical in his attempts to defend the declining might of Apple. Simple arguments don't cut anymore as it is easier to find holes in 'em.
In my view, the power of Apple came from its perennial ability to PUSH (the Principle of Unity of Hardware & Software). Apple did it for one and only purpose - to make devices that are easiest to use. This is what made Apple great under Steve Jobs leadership.

Not anymore. Under Tim Cook, Apple still PUSHes... but in a wrong direction. Its devices are not any more the easiest to use: try interacting with or typing on a narrow iPhone screen, rely on unreliable iCloud, or be nearly forced to use Apple Maps.

Paradoxically, as Tim Cook more and more focuses on profits and shareholders instead of making the easiest to use devices, Apple profit growth start to slow down and shareholders eventually lose.
post #172 of 201
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Originally Posted by Corrections View Post

 

Linux "occupies every form and price range under the sun" but did not ever become as "dominant or as ubiquitous as Windows."

 

The thing is tho, Linux is useful for specific tasks where you want flexibility you hand craft (servers, dedicated devices) and you don't want to pay for somebody else's integration. Linux hasn't become very popular on PCs because the integration work Microsoft did was more valuable than the ~$15 it charged OEMs.

 

In smartphones, the integration work Apple does is generating far greater profits. That model is also supporting Mac sales, which are holding up a lot better than Windows PCs and not losing any ground to Linux. In fact, if you want to do Linuxy things, you can buy a Mac and use the command line for your technical needs, then return to a well mannered desktop to run apps and games. Once that became a reality, the Linux PC market essentially disappeared. Nobody want to fiddle with a desktop PC, and certainly not a notebook, running DIY software.

 

Uhhh, Android is Linux-based. And fairly "ubiquitous."  Linux also rules in other areas.  Though it's clear that any true desktop Linux will never win a big user share.

 

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I agree.  Very silly article, when iPhone's market share worldwide is threatening to drop to single digits in Q3 and when Apple has dropped to less than 50% of the tablet market share (a market many pundits thought they would dominate forever) and clearly heading rapidly to 20%

 

Yes, Apple's mobile business is clearly heading the same way as their Mac business did - niche devices with a small market share. By next year we are going to see apps debuting first on Android before iOS, and having better versions there, e.g Facebook Home. The downwards momentum is pretty strong for Apple at the minute.

 

The only way Apple is like Microsoft is that they both make lots of money, but their share price will remain stagnant for the next 10 years.

 

 

 

Profit share is a more important metric to Apple than market share, where they're whuppin' butt).  Samsung (among device makers) makes at least 90% of the Android profits and most are losing money (and market share).  Still, you need to maintain a decent market share in the long run.  So an open question down the road, but you're exaggerating the issue in the short run.

 

Also, not exactly a strict comparison if the tab market figures include Kindles/semi-dedicated e-readers.

 

On the other hand, why one of the world's best-capitalized companies continues to produce six models of current notebook computers and multiple others in various form factors and market niches in a declining market (and even two iPad sizes), I'm still gabberflasted that they continue to act as if they still think one phone fits all.

Just. don't. get. it.

And just read this article which does pose a credible challenge for Apple:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/technology/apples-rivals-see-an-edge-in-using-wireless-accessories.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130506

 

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Recent research shows the Android platform already has more download potential for developers and revenue is I think less but also catching up. The revenue element is obviously most important, but that will very likely exceed the iOS platform by next year.

 

Your source?  Apple device owners have always spent more per user on software (PC and iDevice), buy more apps for as many years as matter.  Remember, 40% of Windows users are still running XP. 

Wanting a larger-screen phone, I've strongly considered Android (and also for more control over/ready access to files I create), but knowing my learning curve for what to do with all my music, e.g., without iTunes and needing unknown multi-party solutions to other things I do (though I'm not a user of Mail, Calendar, iPhoto, Safari and other parts of the "ecosystem," and will use SugarSync for cloud backup, and Office when it's available - with Keynote being my only Mac-only go to software), the lack of a single go-to for device/OS support (and support in general), the fragmentation and often non-existent OS upgrade path, etc. has dampened the impulse.

 

And many Android users I know, a few geeks aside, being generally less sophisticated, download few (or no) apps, not even free ones. So I'm not expecting a deluge of Android-first "killer apps" anytime soon.  And the Android true tablet app market is still not so much fragmented as fragmentary.

 

I imagine Android rules in both the malware AND anti-malware app segments, however....   1wink.gif

 

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Even many satisfied Android smartphone buyers also buy an iPod touch or iPad to have access to Apple's iOS platform, rather than seeking out a Galaxy Player or Nexus tablet.

Yup.


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post #173 of 201

The big question is.. if Apple is the new mainstream - who is the new punk?

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Originally Posted by Banyan Bruce View Post

Cheap iphone, improved iWorks for iPad and wider availability of iBook and ibook editor and Apple will be we on their way to extending their reach in every aspect of users working and personal lives. The Apple eco system and the fantastic apps there in is the glue to Apple's future, just as Office was the adhesive for MS.

Improvements in iOS and OSX will enable this to remain fresh and the hardware will need to remain reliable, enabling and sexy.

Give folk the access to this eco system and the rest will look after itself.

I agree iWork for iPad could be better, but as the owner if both an iPad and an android tablet, I can honestly say that nothing on android comes even close to iWork.
post #175 of 201
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"Fated to go the way of Windows"???

"Apple has a roadmap of do's and don'ts to follow"???

 

Ugh. The danger Apple faces isn't failing to defend the stickiness of their platform. That just doesn't work. Microsoft tries desperately during the 90s to make sure Windows remained sticky, and they identified two threats to that stickiness: the World Wide Web and Java. This was the era of "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactics. Microsoft pushed "Best Viewed in IE4" badges on Web sites, and tried to add Windows-only libraries to Java until Sun won a lawsuit against Microsoft that ground that to a halt.

 

Defending stickiness is NOT a long-term growth strategy. It's a short-term time-buying strategy. If you have to actively defend it, then market trends are making your platform irrelevant. The forces that make it irrelevant will reward (new) players who adapt, and wipe out those that try to oppose it. The forces that finally felled Windows are: fast ubiquitous 3G/4G Internet, touch screen phones and tablets (iPads, for the most part), and consumer appetite for using technology to access web services such as Facebook and Twitter and YouTube and Instagram and Pandora, more than to run Windows-specific applications. Ironically, one of Microsoft's technologies, XHR, helped make this possible (Microsoft may have originally wanted XHR to be Windows-specific, but they didn't stop anyone else from implementing it, thus seeding Windows' future doom). The shift to using technology to access Web services (from anywhere) with connected, always-on portable devices is what will decimate Windows and PCs in consumer markets. PCs will still be relevant on the content creation side for the foreseeable future.

 

For Apple, the threats to "iDevice" stickiness will be streaming media. The iPod (and later iPad) owes much of its popularity to the popularity of iTunes sourced content (which have grown from just songs to movies, TV, and books). If Spotify or Netflix (or Google Play or Amazon Instant MP3/Video) start to eat into that, that will be an early warning sign that Apple had better get on the winning side of that trend. Inflection points for new technology can flip perceptions and consumer market share in as little as two Christmases. If Apple is smart, they'll offer the best streaming music and/or video service before anyone else does. If you think about it, on demand streaming music (personal radio) is something that would even make iCloud irrelevant for media storage, because your music is already on a server. Higher wireless data caps and/or even better music compression could be a tipping point for this.

 

There might be other trends that'll make smartphones passé. Wearable computing is one of them (smart watch or Google Glass). Advanced natural language human interfaces (talking to your device as fluently as talking to another person), are all longer-term bets about the next big thing that'll replace the smartphone/tablet as the trending way to access data and services.

 

Apple shouldn't follow Microsoft's do's and don'ts, and I don't think they will. It's not in their DNA. Apple has to do two core thing right to stay on top:

1. See where maturing technologies are coming together in the future to form great new products and services

2. Don't be afraid to cannibalize your own markets.


Agree to everything you said.

The best way for them to keep a dominant position is the same as always, keep making good products. All other rules aren't important.

Market share isn't important either.

post #176 of 201
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Daniel Eran Dilger becomes more and more verbose and overly theoretical in his attempts to defend the declining might of Apple. Simple arguments don't cut anymore as it is easier to find holes in 'em.
In my view, the power of Apple came from its perennial ability to PUSH (the Principle of Unity of Hardware & Software). Apple did it for one and only purpose - to make devices that are easiest to use. This is what made Apple great under Steve Jobs leadership.

Not anymore. Under Tim Cook, Apple still PUSHes... but in a wrong direction. Its devices are not any more the easiest to use: try interacting with or typing on a narrow iPhone screen, rely on unreliable iCloud, or be nearly forced to use Apple Maps.

Paradoxically, as Tim Cook more and more focuses on profits and shareholders instead of making the easiest to use devices, Apple profit growth start to slow down and shareholders eventually lose.

Not this Jobs meme again. Remember MobileMe. The iPhone has pretty much the same width since inception.
post #177 of 201
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I agree iWork for iPad could be better, but as the owner if both an iPad and an android tablet, I can honestly say that nothing on android comes even close to iWork.

I  think Pages for iPad is the best of the three, and a pretty good one. I've written a couple of things from scratch to finish in iOS (like 40-50 pages scripts and stuff) and I like it. There is something "magical" about holding the document in your hand as you work through it.

Keynote I guess is pretty decent but suffering from the iOS way of handling media in general to make the work flow fluent I think.

I've tried to get used to Numbers for iOS many times, but I think it's a bit tricky to get around in the tablet version. Most things get increasingly time consuming. Numbers is something that would be great to have access to in a Phone - but it's too small to make truly useful. I use it to fill out some forms that I created on the Mac version. Creating a document from scratch on iOS Numbers is a pretty bad experience.

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The big question is.. if Apple is the new mainstream - who is the new punk?

Windows phone...Not MS as a whole, just the phone part...stick with me...

 

the punk mindset comes from the days when the apple thing was like 2-6% f whatever market they were in (workstation, desktop, laptop whatever)  and they were willing and able to take snarky cheap shots at any and all competitors (for example the Intel snail video  (Pentium 2 vs G3 ))  

 

I see a lot of the same sort of thing in the phone platform division at MS, I say this as a happy Windows phone user...

 

Here is what I am talking about - the new windows phone ad - AutoCorrect This! 

 

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post #179 of 201
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Why don't you tell us what the global share is if you take out China (since Apple is not on China Mobile), India (where Apple is just getting started)...
Why stop the data selection there?  I'll bet you could find an even more favorable representation if you further limit the data to just Cupertino. 1wink.gif

Don't trivialize by comparing two markets with 2+ billion potential customers to 'Cupertino.' You'll simply end up sounding foolish.

Educate yourself: http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/06/apples_strict_conditions_keep_it_from_offering_iphone_to_28_billion_customers.html
post #180 of 201

Why does iPhone need to be in the URL of that link about the Galaxy S4 overheating?

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post #181 of 201
Originally Posted by enature View Post
…try interacting with or typing on a narrow iPhone screen, rely on unreliable iCloud, or be nearly forced to use Apple Maps.

 

You mean the narrow iPhone screen that Steve Jobs released?

 

You mean the maps system that Steve Jobs okayed?

 

Maybe think about things.

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Ah yes. This prototype is known by Fandroids as The NeverWas™. It is only acknowledged in hushed tones and in silent glances between Google executives.

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post #184 of 201
Apple was able to maintain a loyal following not so much because they were willing to pay more but because there was a solid business case for Apple. Advertising, graphics and video professionals found immediate utility in Apple's early adoption of hi-rez, accurate colorspace graphics, WSIWYG, PostScript printing and professional fonts (Windows still doesn't get fonts). This meant that they were an indispensable tool to a well funded industry. And it didn't hurt that Apple also had superior interface and product design aesthetics. Windows was not a workable option until about 2002 and is still inferior in many aspects.
post #185 of 201

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Originally Posted by Rickers - 2014

Cook & Co will bury Apple.  They can only ride Steve's ghost for so long.  Steve == Apple and Apple == Steve.  

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post #186 of 201
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Apple was able to maintain a loyal following not so much because they were willing to pay more but because there was a solid business case for Apple. Advertising, graphics and video professionals found immediate utility in Apple's early adoption of hi-rez, accurate colorspace graphics, WSIWYG, PostScript printing and professional fonts (Windows still doesn't get fonts). This meant that they were an indispensable tool to a well funded industry. And it didn't hurt that Apple also had superior interface and product design aesthetics. Windows was not a workable option until about 2002 and is still inferior in many aspects.

 

One of the more amusing ironies generated by the above reality can be seen in bookshops and stationers all around the world, where rack upon rack of colourful PC enthusiast and professional magazines are on display, each and every one of them laid out, styled and published using Apple Macs, from glossy cover to glossy cover, and from little advert to large sales campaign.

 

Ditto for browsing the Web, watching TV/DVD or catching a movie at the cinema, where all the big-budget advertising for the likes of Dell, HP, Microsoft, Oracle and Sony etc were all Apple Mac composed, edited and produced (and mostly still are).

post #187 of 201

happy Windows phone user

 

surely an oxymoron

you must be the only one and I bet you are still happy using DOS

 

like Microsoft Works

 

thanks for the giggle

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Cook & Co will bury Apple.  They can only ride Steve's ghost for so long.  Steve == Apple and Apple == Steve.  

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post #188 of 201

The other irony is most of those glossy magazines featured articles and "fix it" tips on how to fix problems with windows. Even now the Windows 7/8 mags are full of ways to make windows do what you want . The inference is and always will be (though its never  explicitly said) Windows is full of bugs, continually crashes is hard to use and will be "fixed" in the next release. Even now, we are told the start buttonis coming back in 8.1.

 

Just this morning, my Enterprise version of Windows 7 crashed Internet explorer and hitting ctl-alt-delete to bring up the task manager to force close IE and btw that didn't work so I had to close every other running app and do a logoff to close the non-responding IE. This happens to me several times a month with MS Word/IE/Outlook. Its better than XP - at least I don't get blue screen of death anymore, but its still a very poorly implemented OS imho. Microsoft is going to get everything it deserves once reliable alternatives appear. We got sold a bill of goods with Windows. I for one cannot wait for Windows demise

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Cook & Co will bury Apple.  They can only ride Steve's ghost for so long.  Steve == Apple and Apple == Steve.  

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post #189 of 201

Guess what - there never was a punk, you got suckered into thinking there is a war going on, these guys are all working together. They call it marketing. Heck Samsung still sells lots of hardware to Apple. They are not stupid

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You mean the narrow iPhone screen that Steve Jobs released?

 

You mean the maps system that Steve Jobs okayed?

 

Maybe think about things.

It seems you really don't get it. The narrow iPhone screen was not a problem, but an advantage in 2007... heck it, even in early 2011, it was OK. But starting 2012 it has been a disaster in the making. The reason is simple: for most smartphone tasks nowadays - wider screens are easier to use than narrow screens.

The same applies for other things... unreliable syncing was forgivable a couple years back - Not anymore. The standards have been raised by Dropbox but Tim Cook failed to address the unreliability of iCloud. 

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Originally Posted by enature View Post
It seems you really don't get it. The narrow iPhone screen was not a problem, but an advantage in 2007... heck it, even in early 2011, it was OK. But starting 2012 it has been a disaster in the making.

 

Wow, you're right! Magically picking an arbitrary date and saying "it's not okay anymore" really DOES work when you… magically pick an arbitrary date and say that. 1oyvey.gif


The reason is simple: for most smartphone tasks nowadays - wider screens are easier to use than narrow screens.

 

lol, landscape mode.


…unreliable syncing was forgivable a couple years back - Not anymore.

 

Good thing iCloud isn't unreliable, huh?

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Not much a cause for concern as long as the sales of iPads continue to rise.

Sales of blackberrys continued to rise as their market share tanked. Then share and unit sales tanked.

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I guess others have already pointed it out but this is just the biggest pile of horse shit I've read in a long time.  Almost everything you say is wrong.  

In the first place, iOS *isn't* actually "losing market share," the reports that say so are based only on channel shipments which are not even close to the same thing as saying that a product has "X% share of the market."  The market consists of more than just your channel partners.  iOS is *gaining* (true) market share on Android almost daily.  More people use it than Android and it's pretty much *always* been that way so far.  More people buy iPhones than any other phone in the market.  It's the market leader in fact with all three models (5, 4, 4s), both selling more, and being more popular than all the other devices on the market.  

Secondly, the market share loss (if it were actually happening), is not at all "inevitable" because Apple doesn't licence it's OS.  A licensed OS had no inherent superiority over a non-licensed one.  

Finally, as a long-time Mac user I can tell you that the fact that OS X didn't always have the huge market share it does now, did not in any real way affect my enjoyment and use of the platform all these years.  There was a brief period in the dark days before Steve Jobs returned where some software wasn't made available for the platform, but we are talking maybe six months out of the entire lifespan of Apple.  All the standard apps that we use now were available for mac almost all along and now that the Mac has a HUGE market share and everyone is using it, there are no apps that have become available (at least not any that I use or have heard about), that weren't there before.  

Basically, you are just taking this wild (and easily disproven) account of Android market share rising and beating out iOS, and weaving it into a private fantasy for yourself where Apple's iOS market share shrinks to a small fraction ("10%"), of the market.  You just don't want to admit that you read that report wrong.  

Android dominance over iOS isn't going to happen, it isn't happening now and it won't happen in the future.  There are absolutely no indicators that iOS is slipping in popularity.  There is nothing to indicate that it's (true) market share is going down, in fact all indicators are that it's going up.  Something north of 90% of the tablet computers in use out there are iPads.  The three most popular phones on the planet are all iPhones.  

Get used to it. 

This is delusional nonsense. As someone who had previews of OS X (PR2) on my candy coloured iMac I can assure you the only people writing software for OS X on release were Apple, Microsoft, Adobe and a place called stone design. And only the latter and Apple used Objective C. MS were avoiding monopoly laws and Jobs bullied Adobe. Games were after thoughts and buggy - and still are late.

I don't want that to happen to iOS and it doesn't have to. Apple need to go after all markets.
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Agree to everything you said.

The best way for them to keep a dominant position is the same as always, keep making good products. All other rules aren't important.

Market share isn't important either.

 

This is actually why I think Apple should make the Mac as attractive to "pros" (creative and office drones), because I don't think (as some here do) that Apple will merge the Mac and iOS. Here's why:

 

The trend in computing these days is device specialization. It's been going on for at least a decade. The Xbox, which some trolls on these forums like to hold up as the shining example of Microsoft Isn't a Failure, is a perfect example of this trend. Look at what an Xbox is: a closed platform, purposefully limited to consuming media, walled garden, tightly-licensed ecosystem, and it's undisputedly popular (sound familiar?). None of these trolls demands that Microsoft "open" the Xbox up so that people can surf the web or write code on the Xbox. You can't even plug in a keyboard and mouse like you can on the PS3.

 

Or consider the iPod (classic), which was always just a great portable music player. It also doesn't do anything outside of its intended purpose, and yet it sold extremely well. Or consider the e-Ink-based Kindles, which is narrowly purposed for being an electronic book. Sure my e-Ink Kindle can (sorta) surf the web and (sorta) play MP3s, but it's not best suited for that. But neither do I try to read a book on my iPod or Xbox.

 

See where I'm going with this? Now we get to the tablet. And there's a difference of opinion between Apple's and Microsoft's visions.

Apple sees tablets as another specialized device for people who would (otherwise use their PC) for web surfing, communication, and media consumption, maybe connecting to a TV or camera. Maybe games, maybe some "light" productivity/creative stuff. There are people who dismiss such limitations in tablets, but I think Apple is on to something. For a lot of consumers, this is 90% or even 100% of what they use a computer for, but Apple does it with a better-than-PC level of friction-free convenience (one-click online app and media store, walled garden, media loading, and cloud services that rival Xbox Live). That's what Jobs called "post PC". It's the Xbox formula applied to tablets.

 

Consequently, this means if the Mac will continue as a distinct platform, it should pursue being the best content creation platform. Everything from media encoding, video editing, photo and image processing, 3D rendering, music creation, DVD authoring, word processing, and coding. This means catering to the Pro market even more. Apple is pursuing a differentiation strategy, while Microsoft's Windows 8 and Surface are pursing an opposing convergence strategy. I think Apple is reading the market correctly. Microsoft may eventually wake up one day and realize that putting a tablet-centric UI on a dual monitor desktop PC without a touchscreen only served to weaken the platform.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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post #194 of 201
Daniel, still a man of incite, clarity, and talented with the written word. Keep up the great work. Sadly, in this time and place, we tend to punish those who see things clearly.

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Here's all the education the outside world needs on this:



See also:

Android Now Ahead Of Apple's iOS In Tablet Market Share




Android’s market share lead over iOS explodes to eight points in the U.S.




But don't let that dissuade you.  Please keep slicing and dicing until you find the numbers you prefer.  We enjoy that from your posts; it's part of your charm.

Hey that's awesome for android. Why don't any of those vendors announce actual numbers like Apple does? Probably because these surveys over estimate shipments.
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Sales of blackberrys continued to rise as their market share tanked. Then share and unit sales tanked.
This is delusional nonsense. As someone who had previews of OS X (PR2) on my candy coloured iMac I can assure you the only people writing software for OS X on release were Apple, Microsoft, Adobe and a place called stone design. And only the latter and Apple used Objective C. MS were avoiding monopoly laws and Jobs bullied Adobe. Games were after thoughts and buggy - and still are late.

I don't want that to happen to iOS and it doesn't have to. Apple need to go after all markets.

No it doesn't. It doesn't go after all the markets in PCs. It should go for profitable markets. Let the android vendors have razor thin margins.
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Daniel Eran Dilger becomes more and more verbose and overly theoretical in his attempts to defend the declining might of Apple. Simple arguments don't cut anymore as it is easier to find holes in 'em.
In my view, the power of Apple came from its perennial ability to PUSH (the Principle of Unity of Hardware & Software). Apple did it for one and only purpose - to make devices that are easiest to use. This is what made Apple great under Steve Jobs leadership.

Not anymore. Under Tim Cook, Apple still PUSHes... but in a wrong direction. Its devices are not any more the easiest to use: try interacting with or typing on a narrow iPhone screen, rely on unreliable iCloud, or be nearly forced to use Apple Maps.

Paradoxically, as Tim Cook more and more focuses on profits and shareholders instead of making the easiest to use devices, Apple profit growth start to slow down and shareholders eventually lose.

i'm amazed at all the pundits and forum people who fail to grasp that all the Apple hardware and software today were mostly decided and initially developed while Jobs was still very much in charge and Forstall controlled iOS. Cook just oversaw their completion and launch. it takes years to develop major products, guys. blaming or crediting Cook for them is just silly.

this is the year when we will see the actual first new products of the Cook/Ivie era, starting with the overhaul of iOS7 that will be unveiled at WWDC. and then maybe that iWatch ...
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iPhone=endless posibilites(phone, video recorder, TV, Internet, assistant, remote,...)
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Android is eating Apple and other OSs, that's the reality, Google has not interest in the Android devices being expensive, they just want it to be broad, so it has as many users as they can, Google is an Advertise company!! People that says iOS is better than Android don't really know the Android OS, other say is boring, What?, Boring is iOS that is almost static for almost a decade. And keep in mind that Android will also eat alive Windows and Mac OS X since it can EASILY be a Desktop full feature OS. Also Android is way more CPU independent, it's built on JAVA, and while most mac users think Java is bad and ugly, mostly because Apple don't want it do be other way around on MAC OS X, java makes programs easily ported to Windows, Linux, Mac OS, Android, and so on, that will make App Store wayyy less profit.
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Android is eating Apple and other OSs, that's the reality, Google has not interest in the Android devices being expensive, they just want it to be broad, so it has as many users as they can, Google is an Advertise company!! People that says iOS is better than Android don't really know the Android OS, other say is boring, What?, Boring is iOS that is almost static for almost a decade. And keep in mind that Android will also eat alive Windows and Mac OS X since it can EASILY be a Desktop full feature OS. Also Android is way more CPU independent, it's built on JAVA, and while most mac users think Java is bad and ugly, mostly because Apple don't want it do be other way around on MAC OS X, java makes programs easily ported to Windows, Linux, Mac OS, Android, and so on, that will make App Store wayyy less profit.

Considering iOS is barely 6 years old and not a decade proves you're an idiot.

Android on a PC is the funniest thing I've ever heard.
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