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Faced with a slow start for the Wii U, Nintendo has reportedly begun offering software to make it easy for developers to port their mobile applications from platforms like Apple's iOS to its new home gaming console.

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Nintendo's alleged plans to boost sales of the Wii U were reported on Monday by The Japan Times, which revealed the game maker is reportedly offering developers "professional use conversion software." The tools allow developers to easily port their software from smartphone platforms, presumably including Apple's iOS and Google's Android.

The Wii U has drawn comparisons to Apple's iPad because the console's controller includes a touchscreen display. Games can utilize both the tablet controller and a user's HDTV to create new types of gaming experiences.

Apple offers a similar combination when pairing an iPhone or iPad to the Apple TV. Though Apple's set-top box does not have a full-fledged App Store, some games offer console-style gaming by streaming wirelessly to the Apple TV via AirPlay.

Since the debut of the iOS App Store, games have been dominant among the most popular software for the mobile platform, making Apple a major player in the gaming market. The company made a more direct push into the gaming space in 2010, when it launched the Game Center social network.

Nintendo's current strength lies in mobile games, where the company's 3DS console is dominant against its primary competition, Sony's PlayStation Vita. But the Wii U, which launched last fall, has failed thus far to find the same kind of success its predecessor, the Wii, saw in capturing the casual gaming market.

After the Wii U got off to a slow start, Nintendo was forced to cut its forecasts. Demand is said to have dropped off considerably in 2013, with a dearth of new games available since its launch.
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Strike that, reverse it.
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Not such a long time ago, in a top-secret design studio not far, far away at all from Cupertino, Jony Ive powered up a Wii U, tried it out, and said to himself "Yeah, I thought so. Terrible."

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Its over for Nintendo. They went for the casual gamer with the Wii and it worked. But now with the explosion of smartphones casual gamers can buy games for $5. The hardcore gamers will continue to support PS/Xbox.
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"Say Hello to Super Mario"

 

 - www.apple.com, June 2014

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I'm not sure why everyone is denouncing the WiiU without comparing its launches to the launches of its predecessors. How long before the PlayStation 3, for example, had games worthy of buying the system? There are always cold launches for consoles. It's part of why the industry as a whole is dying, but it's certainly not Nintendo specific.

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Strike that, reverse it.

 

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"Say Hello to Super Mario"

 

 - www.apple.com, June 2014

 

This. Nintendo should port their games to iOS and watch their money coffers fill. I always wondered just how bad it has to get for Nintendo before they break down and do this.

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It used to be cool if you could port a console game to a phone. Now manufacturers want to port phone games to consoles. That speaks volumes on the future of gaming.

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In a few years Nintendo will be out of the hardware business.  Smartphones are killing their portable systems and home consoles can't complete since the Wii focuses on casual games.  Gamers who would rather pay $5 for a game instead of $50.  Nintendo sacrificed the hardcore games with the Wii and are now paying for it badly.

 

That's okay.  They still have amazing franchises and making games only could be the focus they need as a company.

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Its over for Nintendo. They went for the casual gamer with the Wii and it worked. But now with the explosion of smartphones casual gamers can buy games for $5. The hardcore gamers will continue to support PS/Xbox.

exactly right.
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This. Nintendo should port their games to iOS and watch their money coffers fill. I always wondered just how bad it has to get for Nintendo before they break down and do this.

exactly right.
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Kinda makes me sad that all the original console manufacters will soon be dead: Atari, Sega, Nintendo. 

 

The industry grew and they were not big enough to keep up with true giants like Microsoft and Sony.

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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post
The industry grew and they were not big enough to keep up with true giants like Microsoft and Sony.

 

Then why are those two just copying ideas straight from Nintendo?

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Nintendo should create a range of well designed iPhone, iPad and iPod cases that include a game pad, then release it's entire game catalogue on iOS. They'd make a mint.
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Its over for Nintendo. They went for the casual gamer with the Wii and it worked. But now with the explosion of smartphones casual gamers can buy games for $5. The hardcore gamers will continue to support PS/Xbox.
It's HARDLY over for Nintendo.
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It's HARDLY over for Nintendo.

True, but wouldn't it be so much better for them not to come to iOS out of pure desperation and instead come to iOS because it makes business sense?
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Originally Posted by faceted View Post
True, but wouldn't it be so much better for them not to come to iOS out of pure desperation and instead come to iOS because it makes business sense?


Really, they should release their back catalogues on iOS. NES, SNES, and N64.

 

Not some stupid "storefront" app that has controls as an overlay, but regular, individual apps, each being its own game. They'd make a fortune and they would still be making their own hardware to innovate in the console/handheld realm. 

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True, but wouldn't it be so much better for them not to come to iOS out of pure desperation and instead come to iOS because it makes business sense?
Oh absolutely it would. I'd love to play Zelda, Mario etc on my iPhone but Nintendo maintain such tight control over their ip I don't think it'll happen.
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I think the games should be their own apps, but I would really like to see a Nintendo case that gives the iPhone physical game controls. I'd be willing to pay for it too and I bet most people would.
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I'd pay good money for the original Mario games on my iphone.
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Nintendo has great franchises that people old enough to read and comment on forums know well.

But the average 10 year old knows far more about Angry Birds and other iOS games than Mario.

Their franchises are all tied to their hardware. So if their hardware is dying, it will eventually take down their games too. They're quickly running out of time and risk losing entire generations of gamers who will grow up with other favorite games and characters.
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Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
Their franchises are all tied to their hardware. So if their hardware is dying, it will eventually take down their games too. They're quickly running out of time and risk losing entire generations of gamers who will grow up with other favorite games and characters.

 

Their hardware isn't dying, they're not running out of time, and they won't lose generations of anything.

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The problem with Nintendo is that they never aim high enough with their hardware, so third party developers don't want to bet on the slowest horse as their lead platform. If the next gen Xbox or Playstation is the lead platform on, say Call of Duty X, they don't really want to got bogged down trying to create a low-res, scaled-down version of the game for the Wii-U. Nintendo got lucky with the Wii.

Using a low res tablet as a game controller was the antithesis of genius. If they took one glance at the market, they would've seen that many many people already own tablets. Had they created an app for the iPad and Android tablets to support the Wii-U, then they would've made a killing. A game-centric portal for your tablet into a home theater experience. Instead, they put out a weak toy-like game system. Nintendo should focus entirely on portable gaming systems like the 3DS and game development. Time for them to step aside in the console market.
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Kinda makes me sad that all the original console manufacters will soon be dead: Atari, Sega, Nintendo.

Atari and Sega make software for iOS. So does Square Enix who typically stuck to Nintendo and Sony consoles.

The hardware companies just aren't having to convince people to buy poor quality hardware any more so they can focus on games.

The Wii U sucks. Look at the size of the controller and you only get one of the controllers with the display on it. This year's iPad will probably be as powerful as it too. Their game franchises are getting a bit long in the tooth.

Sony and Microsoft are the only ones doing the standalone console right this time with their augmented PC model.

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/04/wii-u-a-global-sales-flop-as-old-wii-outsells-nintendos-new-casual-dream/

"Blaming “weaker than expected sales” of Wii U and its 3DS portable, Nintendo’s net income for the year was a staggering 49.3 per cent lower than forecast."

I'm actually happy to see this happen because it means fewer developers will waste time on kids games. Nintendo was great back in the 90s but they stuck to a demographic that just doesn't care that much about games. The Wii was a one-trick pony.

What they should have done was make a tablet and have an online marketplace with approved downloads and AAA titles. If I was them, I'd scrap the Wii U immediately and get a PowerVR 6 Wii Tablet in production. 8" $199 16-32GB, dockable to a TV.
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Their hardware isn't dying, they're not running out of time, and they won't lose generations of anything.

It's finances say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by faceted View Post
It's finances say otherwise.

 

They're printing money. How is that "otherwise"?

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They're printing money. How is that "otherwise"?

what? a $530 million loss in 2011 and a puny $71 million paper profit (but $365 million loss on operations) in 2012:

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/24/nintendo-financials-show-a-tough-year

 

that ain't printing money. that's burning money.

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that ain't printing money. that's burning money.

 

What did Microsoft and Sony spend most of their time doing in the current generation? Why do people believe that gives them the better answer for console success in the next? Have they announced anything yet that provides a guarantee that they'll make a big profit this time around?

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It's HARDLY over for Nintendo.
It's worse than over over for Nintendo. They have become irrelevant. The next generation of gamers has little interest in the system.
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post
It's worse than over over for Nintendo. They have become irrelevant. The next generation of gamers has little interest in the system.

 

Once again, nothing but FUD.

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It's worse than over over for Nintendo. They have become irrelevant. The next generation of gamers has little interest in the system.

Maybe, but they've been through worse. Don't ring the funeral bells until they're actually dead.
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Just so everyone knows, Tallest Skil(aka troll) doesnt like it when people prove him wrong. He deleted my post stating that Nintendo is expected to post second full year annual loss in a row.

 

http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/23/analysts-expect-nintendo-to-report-second-annual-loss-tomorrow/

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Just so everyone knows, Tallest Skil(aka troll) doesnt like it when people prove him wrong. He deleted my post stating that Nintendo is expected to post second full year annual loss in a row.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/23/analysts-expect-nintendo-to-report-second-annual-loss-tomorrow/

You misunderstand. Your comment was deleted for calling a member an idiot.
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I make a comment based on my experience and it's fud?

 

I make a living out of helping kids play video games (being vague so as not to spam the forums).That's 100's of kids per month, thousands per year. I think that puts me in a better position than you for what's hot and what's not in the console space. I don't sell the games or the systems so my observations are based on what the kids want. I don't really care which system is winning, but part of my job is tracking and getting what the kids want. 

 

Here are some of my observations, and it correlates well to what our business sees across the country (U.S.). Young kids still like the Wii, but are switching over to the X-box/PS3 camp at a much younger age than they used to. X-box is the most popular, followed distantly by PS3.

I have Wii-U's and the interest in them has been just about zero. For example, I have copies of Injustice for all three systems.The X-box version is the most popular, the PS3 version is a distant second, and no one has played the Wii-U version (besides me).

 

If the next wave of gamers are not excited by the Wii-U, and the older gamers don't give a shit either, how does that bode well for Nintendo? So far there has been nothing released that makes the Wii-U special, and nothing has even been hinted that Nintendo has something that's going to change that.

 

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt......

 

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You misunderstand. Your comment was deleted for calling a member an idiot.

 

Seriously? He, Tallest Skill, a moderator, is constantly belittling and mocking people, especially if they have any positive opinion of Android, Samsung, and anything non-Apple. And no one here can deny that. Perhaps you should consider deleting his posts and removing his moderator status.

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Seriously? He, Tallest Skill, a moderator, is constantly belittling and mocking people, especially if they have any positive opinion of Android, Samsung, and anything non-Apple. And no one here can deny that. Perhaps you should consider deleting his posts and removing his moderator status.

This place is often overrrun by anti-Apple trolls, sometimes you're going to ruffle a few feathers. But he rarely calls people names.
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Originally Posted by joshuarayer View Post
Seriously? He, Tallest Skill, a moderator, is constantly belittling and mocking people, especially if they have any positive opinion of Android, Samsung, and anything non-Apple. And no one here can deny that. Perhaps you should consider deleting his posts and removing his moderator status.

 

Hmm. That's funny.

 

Eight posts in and you somehow know I was a moderator and think you're able to call me a troll. Sort of… acting like "one of the old boys".

 

JeffDM, could you check this guy for a repeat account? He's reading just like someone who has been banned.

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Maybe, but they've been through worse. Don't ring the funeral bells until they're actually dead.

I don't think they are dead, but they are going to have a long stay in the icu. I haven't even heard rumors of something, anything that could change that. If they continue on the same course, imho, they will become the next Atari or Sega.

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Hmm. That's funny.

 

Eight posts in and you somehow know I was a moderator and think you're able to call me a troll. Sort of… acting like "one of the old boys".

 

JeffDM, could you check this guy for a repeat account? He's reading just like someone who has been banned.

 

Just because I only have 8 posts doesnt mean Im a previously banned account. Maybe I have been a reader for the past 7 years and have only cared enough to post on a few topics. Like how you are complete *** to anyone who disagrees with you or proves you wrong. And I have seen plenty of other people posting about how you are a moderator who has deleted other peoples posts in the past. Just because I have a semi-new account(Aug 2012) and very few posts doesnt mean I dont visit here daily and see the person you are.

 

Edit: I have been an Apple fan and been visiting AppleInsider & MacRumors since I was first introduced to Macs and iPods when I went to a technical university back in 2005.

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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post

Here are some of my observations…

 

Anecdotes aren't evidence unless they're accepted from both sides.

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