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At its Adobe MAX creativity conference in Los Angeles on Monday, Adobe announced the next generation of its popular creativity suite, rebranding it Creative Cloud and announcing a range of connectivity and functionality improvements.

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In abandoning the Creative Suite label for Creative Cloud, Adobe signaled its intent to move fully into the mobile and Internet era, abandoning individual standalone editions of its products and moving toward a subscription-only model. That model will see users subscribing to the $50/month Creative Cloud system and receiving updates through that subscription.

Adobe will continue support for its existing Creative Suite 6 products, but the company has no plans to release further Creative Suite products.

A Creative Cloud membership will include access to virtually every product Adobe makes, including Photoshop, Illustrator, Typekit, and more. In addition to Adobe's software, a Creative Cloud membership will include access to services like Behance, an online creative collective. Behance will be tied directly into a Creative Cloud membership, allowing for a streamlined process for sharing to one of the larger collections of creative professionals on the web.

Monday's announcement also included a demonstration of Creative Cloud's capabilities in document sharing across mobile devices. Creative files can be stored and accessed across Macs and PCs, but also iOS and Android devices with near-instant updating of changes to the material. Adobe's demonstration of the sharing capabilities used a notebook, iPad, and Nexus 10 from Samsung in order to show off the constant updating capabilities of the service, with each device displaying changes as they were made.

The new Creative Cloud will roll out in June. Customers that own a Creative Suite product already will be able to get their first year of Creative Cloud at the discounted rate of $30 per month. Students and teachers can get also get the service at that price, and there are promotional prices available for CS6 users. Creative Cloud for teams will run at $70 per month per seat, and comes with 100GB of storage and centralized deployment and administration capabilities.
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BA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!


Subscription ONLY?! Enjoy that, Adobe.

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No. Just no.

I'll keep CS 6 as long as I can, and by then hope for a reasonable replacement. I simply do not accept the "subscription model", especially in its current, 'unregulated' form.

For example, today it's $50 a month. Imagine if, after two years time, once you're fully locked in and dependent, it jumps to $100 a month.

Suck it up or lose the service you depend on?

No. just no.
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Not interested in renting Photoshop for $600/year. Pass.

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Well then, I guess I'll be sticking to my current CS6 edition for the foreseeable future. Knowing Adobe, they will quickly restrict newer camera models to Camera Raw 8 and prevent existing owners of their CS6 and Lightroom software from updating the CR component so current "expensive" software becomes useless with new photography gear.

This is, in my mind, completely outrageous, and is now the nail in the coffin for me to finally make the jump to Aperture for my photography needs. As long as they don't start plastering my CS6 install with "upgrade now" bulletins, I'll keep CS6 around. If they do, bye bye Adobe! It's been a miserable relationship, and I'm glad it's coming to an end!
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Goodbye Adobe. You may get more control but who'll update now. Like MS Office, there are no compelling reasons to update, this kit does everything most folk want it to do. 

These folks going cloud subscription only just don't get it do they, internet connections and levels/speeds of access just aren't that good for many who would use this software as a student or teacher. You won't be catching many of these early anymore.

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Here's the conversation that will happen with my boss.

Me: Adobe moved to an entirely subscription based service.
Boss: What does that mean?
Me: You have to pay $50 a month to use their software.
Boss: Guess you better start researching alternative software.

You listening Apple?
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Looks like Photoshop CS6 will be my LAST version of Photoshop. Not interested in "renting" then software nor any other title in the portfolio!
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No thank you!
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These folks going cloud subscription only just don't get it do they, internet connections and levels/speeds of access just aren't that good for many who would use this software as a student or teacher. You won't be catching many of these early anymore.

The cloud part is not required always on. You have the application on your computer and periodically you need to verify your credentials. The cloud storage, sharing and services part is optional. You can still save your files locally and copy them around on your network just like always.

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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post
You listening Apple?

 

Why not wait a year or two until Adobe's a month from bankruptcy due to this travesty, buy them, and make their software into something with a usable interface and OS X priority?

Wait, what am I saying… OS X exclusive.

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No. Just no.

I'll keep CS 6 as long as I can, and by then hope for a reasonable replacement. I simply do not accept the "subscription model", especially in its current, 'unregulated' form.

For example, today it's $50 a month. Imagine if, after two years time, once you're fully locked in and dependent, it jumps to $100 a month.

Suck it up or lose the service you depend on?

No. just no.


 

I know, this is pitiful. And remember the video of their dumb-a__ CEO diverting questions about their Creative Cloud during a press conference regarding the price gouging of Austrailian citizens like a freaking pre-recorded machine?

 

I sincerely wish them all the worst, and hopefully people will wake up and NOT line the pockets of these bastards anymore!

 

Oh, and BTW, their Lightroom product is still BUGGY and SLOW as hell, and all they do is blame the end user! Screw you Adobe!

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Which is exactly why my current version of creative suite will likely be my last Adobe purchase. Is there any doubt that this is monopolistic behavior?
There are other great tools out there that have matured rapidly, and will continue to do so. I don't think that the vast majority of Adobe customers use more than 1/3 of the suite software on a regular basis. I'm already looking into a Photoshop replacement, and there seem to be several great programs that would cover my needs. Anyone have a good Illustrator substitution?
In the long term, I think this will be good for the industry, encouraging competition and helping smaller developers. In the meantime, Adobe's anti-competitive practices and outright greed will disrupt the industry as a whole.
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Adobe knows it has most of its customers by the short and curlies. It knows those who need the full Creative Suite, actually must have it even if they don't like the subscription model.

I don't like it, I don't want it, but I have literally no choice, I'm going to have to do it. In fact it's only going to make my job tougher, because some clients will start using other products and some won't, so I'll have to buy and learn a lot more software than I otherwise need.
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Looks like Photoshop CS6 will be my LAST version of Photoshop. Not interested in "renting" then software nor any other title in the portfolio!

That is probably a good plan if you are not a graphics professional. Adobe is definitely positioning the platform as a professional solution. It is very similar to other high end professional offerings such as AutoDesk. Many people who have less intensive graphics and collaboration needs should probably migrate toward solutions such as Pixelmator anyway.  

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The only Adobe app for which I have no viable alternative is Encore, part of the Production Suite.

 

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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post
The only Adobe app for which I have no viable alternative is Encore, part of the Production Suite.

 

DVD Studio Pro?

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DVD Studio Pro is dead.  One can still use it for the time being, but as part of Final Cut Studio, Apple will no longer be updating it.  

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Why not wait a year or two until Adobe's a month from bankruptcy due to this travesty, ...

I doubt Adobe would be announcing this if their initial beta, trial and upgrade process wasn't a huge success already. They have probably cut the piracy rate considerably with this model. Usually the folks who complain the loudest about the high price of Adobe products are the one using pirated copies. They wish they could afford it but they are not professionals so they cannot. That leaves them with three choices: live on Ramen noodles for the rest of their life, steal the software, or use some less capable alternative. With the subscription only model, option 2 has been eliminated.

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Adobe is screwed. Time for Apple to roll out some killer competition... or for Apple to buy Adobe.

Sounds like they might be desperate. Anyone savvy as to their current financials?

Interesting question also arises from this announcement: Will they sell/rent all of their apps through the Apple desktop App Store? And if so, how will the App Store handle recurring subscription payments?

As for me, I'm sticking with my 4 year old software and refuse to upgrade.

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DVD Studio Pro?

 

 

Work requires DVD and BluRay.

 

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DVD Studio Pro is dead.  One can still use it for the time being, but as part of Final Cut Studio, Apple will no longer be updating it.  

 

Oh, right. Still works, however.


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Work requires DVD and BluRay.

 

And… it does both. Even HD DVD.

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NO! Not ever. This seems to be the overwhelming answer all over the net. So who or where are these people who 'prefer' this new subscription model? The casual user?
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The cloud part is not required always on. You have the application on your computer and periodically you need to verify your credentials. The cloud storage, sharing and services part is optional. You can still save your files locally and copy them around on your network just like always.

 

So seeing it's Creative Cloud based, will all apps be Adobe Air-based? That stuff is slow as molasses and just terrible to work with. Adobe has collectively gone insane.

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I have ALWAYS spent the money to upgrade when the next version of Photoshop comes out.  But I will NEVER pay $240/year just for the privilege of using Photoshop.
 

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Goodbye 100% of their casual home users, hobbyists & self-employed freelancers.

How utterly bone-headed.

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I wouldn't mind if Adobe went all-digital download for software distribution, but subscription-based software burns me up. It's bound to lead to price increases as they try to squeeze more out of customers.

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As a photographer, this might be the end of my purchases from Adobe. I had the CS5 Extended Suite, did not upgrade to PS 5.5, but finally went with PS 6 Extended and not the rest of the suite. Lightroom 4 provides me with most of the features I need (reviewing public beta for v5), because plug-ins from OnOne Software (Perfect Photo Suite 7), NIK, Topaz Labs, etc. , go way beyond the capability found in PS 6. I find that if I take the time and energy for correct composition, focus, and exposure, I don't need the features of any of them shooting in RAW. The plug-ins and suites I mentioned, are much easier to use than PS 6, save for the removal tools. Almost point-and-click easy.

 

First Microsoft, that has had to lower their Office cloud pricing or lose out to Google on retention and growth. Now Adobe, thinking their customers will go willingly.... At least they don't have those stupid dub-step Surface "click" ads. Yet......
 

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For example, today it's $50 a month. Imagine if, after two years time, once you're fully locked in and dependent, it jumps to $100 a month.

Suck it up or lose the service you depend on?

No. just no.

 

Why do you think you'll be locked in after two years from now? Go back to CS 6 or choose an alternative if they raise the price to $100. If you don't feel it's worth it, then stop using it then.

 

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Not interested in renting Photoshop for $600/year. Pass.

 

Photoshop by itself is $240/year.

 

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Here's the conversation that will happen with my boss.

Me: Adobe moved to an entirely subscription based service.
Boss: What does that mean?
Me: You have to pay $50 a month to use their software.
Boss: Guess you better start researching alternative software.

You listening Apple?

 

Then your boss is an idiot. For one, it becomes an operating expense rather than a capital expense, and should be favourable come tax time. That's why companies lease equipment rather than buying it. And two, counting upgrades, assuming you use more than two of their apps, you probably paid more than $50/month on average if you upgraded every time to keep current. If you use one or two adobe apps, then rent those individually for $20/month each.

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Goodbye 100% of their casual home users, hobbyists & self-employed freelancers.

How utterly bone-headed.

 

Yes, because casual home users, hobbyists, and self-employed freelancers just love forking out $1500 - $2000 for software all at one time.

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NO! Not ever. This seems to be the overwhelming answer all over the net. So who or where are these people who 'prefer' this new subscription model? The casual user?

I've been using it the subscription version since it first came out. No problems and a few additional enhancements. But no it is not targeted at the casual user.

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Yes, because casual home users, hobbyists, and self-employed freelancers just love forking out $1500 - $2000 for software all at one time.

 

Oh, I think they'll keep their low-end Photoshop offering on the App Store, probably stop physical disc distribution entirely. I can't imagine the home user would need or want to pay for Creative Cloud.

 

By the way, here is their pricing:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html

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I wouldn't mind if Adobe went all-digital download for software distribution, but subscription-based software burns me up. It's bound to lead to price increases as they try to squeeze more out of customers.

It is already very expensive. They theoretically could lower the price once they cut out all the pirates, although I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

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It always funny to see the "I will never buy another Adobe product" comments from folks that probably have not paid for any Adobe products in the last 10 years.

And for you doom-sayers, hate to disappoint you but Adobe will be making more money with this, not less.

So go out and start using the craptastic alternatives that are available while the pros use Adobe's stuff to make money.

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Goodbye 100% of their casual home users, hobbyists & self-employed freelancers.

How utterly bone-headed.

I'm not sure how many "casual" users were spending $700 for Photoshop... or $2600 for the full Master Collection.

I understand your point... but Adobe has always made expensive software that was catered to professionals.

If you're not making at least $50 a month to pay for your tools... then you need to increase your freelancing business... or find a suitable software alternative.

I'm guessing Adobe's Elements line will still be around for the hobbyists.

The $50 a month plan makes it easy to keep your finances under control... and you can spend large sums of money on cameras or other equipment to grow your business.
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It always funny to see the "I will never buy another Adobe product" comments from folks that probably have not paid for any Adobe products in the last 10 years.

And for you doom-sayers, hate to disappoint you but Adobe will be making more money with this, not less.

So go out and start using the craptastic alternatives that are available while the pros use Adobe's stuff to make money.

-kpluck

 

I rely on their software for my business, but I refuse to get locked into a cloud-dependent subscription-based model.

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So seeing it's Creative Cloud based, will all apps be Adobe Air-based? That stuff is slow as molasses and just terrible to work with. Adobe has collectively gone insane.

The software is downloaded and installed on your computer just like it always has. It only checks in once a month to see if your subscription is up-to-date.

The Cloud storage and other services are optional.

It's a very confusing name... but the software is still installed and runs locally from your computer.
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The $50 a month plan makes it easy to keep your finances under control... and you can spend large sums of money on cameras or other equipment to grow your business.

That is a good point. Another interesting scenario is that an agency might get a huge job and need to scale up quickly but just for a couple months until the project is complete. They could opt for the month to month plan and then cancel once they don't need all those licenses. Good way to budget your money. With the non-subscription plan they would go broke before they ever got the first check from the client.

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I'm afraid all media is eventually going to go this way, no ownership, just streaming.  UltraViolet is a start with movies (they don't charge for it now, but they easily could), music could go subscription based too.  Hope not, I like ownership, and would rather host my own personal cloud for my devices.

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Oh, right. Still works, however.

 

And… it does both. Even HD DVD.

 

 

With extensive control over menus?

 

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