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A new profile of Foxconn describes how the company is looking beyond Apple, its largest manufacturing partner, even as it positions itself for the prospect of an Apple-built television.

Foxconn's somewhat paradoxical approach was described in a report this week from The New York Times, which said that Foxconn and its chairman, Terry Gou, are "contemplating life far, far beyond Apple." The company is reportedly interested in lessening its reliance on Apple, which has seen its growth slow in recent quarters.

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Apple CEO Tim Cook touring an iPhone production line at a Foxconn plant in Zhengzhou, China.


Instead, the company is now interested in developing products of its own, and has also begun designing and manufacturing high-definition television sets. Foxconn's interest in televisions led the company to buy a stake in panel maker Sharp.

Foxconn's interest in Sharp has helped to fuel rumors of a potential Apple television set ? a product that has long been rumored. And this week's Times story even noted that Foxconn's efforts to vertically integrate television manufacturing could "represent anticipation that orders for an Apple television" could land with the company.

And so, strangely, while Foxconn is allegedly working to lessen its reliance on Apple, the company is also making moves potentially driven, at least in part, by rumors of an unannounced Apple product.

Earlier this year, Foxconn's first-quarter revenue was down 19.2 percent year over year. Those losses were attributed largely to declining orders of the iPhone and iPad from Apple.

In a somewhat unexpected approach, Apple has not released any major products thus far in 2013. The company signaled that isn't likely to change anytime soon, as CEO Tim Cook signaled last week that major new products will be arriving this fall and throughout 2014.

The lack of new products has led to fewer orders, as a number of companies in Apple's supply chain have cryptically cited slipping demand from a major unnamed customer. In years past, iPhone and iPad launches were staggered throughout the year, allowing Apple to maintain hype and public mindshare through its two most popular product categories.

For its part, the Times has made Apple a target, particularly in its "iEconomy" series that investigated Asia's technology supply chain. That nine-part series had a particular focus on Apple, and netted the publication a Pulitzer Prize for explanatory reporting.
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Diversification is a good strategy. I'm sure someone will turn this into "Apple is failing in the face of Samsung." It is encouraged in the Arena for the amusement of the Providers.

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Foxconn has seen Sammy's success copying Apple, they will join the party next.

 

Supplier companies always have their eyes on the leader, they would like to emulate the success and brand recognition of leading brands whether it be Sony, Apple, Caterpillar, BMW or whoever. Subcontracting/outsourcing is a gift in technology transfer and when the supplier is well known as has become the case with Foxconn making Apple products for so long they are bound to want to leverage their new found brand recognition. Nothing wrong with that, it's the way of business, the way of life, what is wrong is how Apple has let go of their core, the making of the products that bear their name and give them the brand recognition.

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Forget ethics. Forget whom we are looting. Forget how we are earning. Forget whom we are ignoring. We have to be on top. Why only Sammy? Why not me?

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It's dangerous whenever one company relies heavily on another. Look at what Walmart did to Rubbermaid.
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It's probably good for Foxconn to contemplate life 'far, far beyond Apple' because Apple is quite likely contemplating life 'far, far beyond Foxconn' and if this book is to be believed - https://itunes.apple.com/au/book/radical-abundance/id638267782?mt=11 -, we might be looking at a very, very different manufacturing economy for everyone before too long.

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Foxconn, the new Samsung. I don't know, something about off-shoring production abroad seems to always come biting you in the ass down the road.
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Instead, the company is now interested in developing products of its own, and has also begun designing and manufacturing high-definition television sets.

Could they be interested in making 4k sets?¡
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This New York Times article is bull. On the one hand they say they bought a stake on Sharp for themselves, and on the other the claim they bought it to prep for Apple's television? Which is it? Both? Typical nonsense article with no meat to it. Anyone can write this junk.

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Could they be interested in making 4k sets?

 

A 4K TV makes no sense for Apple. Bandwidth, Content, Cost. None of which would suit.

 

Apple's TV would be perfect at 1080p. Across the board 4K content and bandwidth is years and years away. Heck, if the Apple TV or iTV really took off with 1080p content it would cause severe bandwidth issues everyone.

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Earlier this year, Foxconn's first-quarter revenue was down 19.2 percent year over year. Those losses were attributed largely to declining orders of the iPhone and iPad from Apple.

Why does the losses have to be attributed solely to Apple? Foxconn supplies many companies along with Apple and could it possible some of the other companies participated in the losses?

Moving on...

The NYT starts off writing how Foxconn is moving away from its dependence being a supplier of Apple only to finish writing about how Foxconn's television ambition has it wanting to be ready to supply... Wait for it... Apple more than ever!
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A 4K TV makes no sense for Apple. Bandwidth, Content, Cost. None of which would suit.

Apple's TV would be perfect at 1080p. Across the board 4K content and bandwidth is years and years away. Heck, if the Apple TV or iTV really took off with 1080p content it would cause severe bandwidth issues everyone.

No one said anything about 4K content as video from iTS.

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Find a new pic. That pic is way overused. Just the Foxconn logo would be fine.
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A 4K TV makes no sense for Apple. Bandwidth, Content, Cost. None of which would suit.

 

Apple's TV would be perfect at 1080p. Across the board 4K content and bandwidth is years and years away. Heck, if the Apple TV or iTV really took off with 1080p content it would cause severe bandwidth issues everyone.

I agree with solipsism.   4k content 'transport' over the internet is silly now. 

 

I typically run my content at 720p even though I have a 1080p... my TV's upscaling works pretty well for most content.  I will switch it when anticipating content where  1080p makes more sense (visually complex views...).  For anything less than an 60" TV, 4K 'raw' will be overkill.

 

4K makes nice Airplay monitor for your Retina display MB, BluRay.

 

4K makes a nice App display platform too. look at AppleTV plus Game Apps (using a iPod Touch or iPhone as a controller) as a nice 'game console'  (when voxels are transported, not image bits)

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Foxconn has seen Sammy's success copying Apple, they will join the party next.

 

Supplier companies always have their eyes on the leader, they would like to emulate the success and brand recognition of leading brands whether it be Sony, Apple, Caterpillar, BMW or whoever. Subcontracting/outsourcing is a gift in technology transfer.

Apple has learned its lesson and is keeping the secret sauces away from key partners.   the A series Chips and the iOS OS are key to that.   If anything, a great assembled box, with a crappy chip and a crappy OS is not appealing to anyone.  It took Samsung 3 years to catch up...  Foxconn has less moving parts than them.

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No one said anything about 4K content as video from iTS.

There isn't 4K content anywhere, we're barely getting 1080p now.
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There isn't 4K content anywhere, we're barely getting 1080p now.

If there is barely 1080p content then why did Apple create a 2048x1536 resolution display instead of a 1920x1080 display? Are you saying there is no benefit to the Retina iPad's display over merely going 1080p simply because video that you get from iTunes Store or YouTube doesn't have a pixel-for-pixel encode for QXGA?

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The NYT article can be summarized in 28 words "Foxconn wants to reduce dependence on Apple, has no clue how to do it, so hopes for more business from Apple. Read about analyst views on their predicament."

 

Another vapid, vacuous, spurious bit of tech reporting from the NYT.

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If there is barely 1080p content then why did Apple create a 2048x1536 resolution display instead of a 1920x1080 display? Are you saying there is no benefit to the Retina iPad's display over merely going 1080p simply because video that you get from iTunes Store or YouTube doesn't have a pixel-for-pixel encode for QXGA?

I didn't take into account the various forms of content but when it comes to a TV most live content is 1080i and current streamed 1080p compressed content leaves much to be desired.
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I didn't take into account the various forms of content but when it comes to a TV most live content is 1080i and current streamed 1080p compressed content leaves much to be desired.

You're still thinking of a large display in the home as a "boob tube." Think of it as a monitor like you have with your PC, your tablet, your smartphone. Think of the things it can do outside of simply playing video. Think of an Apple TV in a few years from with 50,000 apps on its App Store. Do you still want that to be 1080p on a 60+" display in your living room whilst your 7.85" iPad mini sports a 2048x1536 display and smartphones today are being sold with 1920x1080 on a 5" display?

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You're still thinking of a large display in the home as a "boob tube." Think of it as a monitor like you have with your PC, your tablet, your smartphone. Think of the things it can do outside of simply playing video. Think of an Apple TV in a few years from with 50,000 apps on its App Store. Do you still want that to be 1080p on a 60+" display in your living room whilst your 7.85" iPad mini sports a 2048x1536 display and smartphones today are being sold with 1920x1080 on a 5" display?

Sorry but my limited mind doesn't see much potential for a static device other than it being viewed. Most apps will be channels or games, I mean look at cars, they've been around for 100 years and there's been a ton of innovations since then but they still only get you from point A to point B.
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Sorry but my limited mind doesn't see much potential for a static device other than it being viewed. Most apps will be channels or games, I mean look at cars, they've been around for 100 years and there's been a ton of innovations since then but they still only get you from point A to point B.

And displays in the 1950s still show images today but you're note really suggesting that we should only still still display tech from the 1950s are you?

And static display? That would be a painting. These displays are anything but static as the trick the brain into perceiving action by rapidly replacing an image many times per second.
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I want an apple TV!
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And displays in the 1950s still show images today but you're note really suggesting that we should only still still display tech from the 1950s are you?

And static display? That would be a painting. These displays are anything but static as the trick the brain into perceiving action by rapidly replacing an image many times per second.

New tech doesn't always trounce old tech. Motion picture and analog music are superior to their digital counterparts. I didn't say the displays are static I said the device was, unless you walk around with your television set.
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New tech doesn't always trounce old tech. Motion picture and analog music are superior to their digital counterparts. I didn't say the displays are static I said the device was, unless you walk around with your television set.

So you want to go on record as saying that "static" devices in the home will never need anything more than 1920x1080?


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So you want to go on record as saying that "static" devices in the home will never need anything more than 1920x1080?


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Yes, because we don't need it, we only want it.
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Yes, because we don't need it, we only want it.

 

My eyes disagree, and they're right.

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My eyes disagree, and they're right.

And my eyes don't like the awful blacks and limited color reproduction flat panels have. There was nothing quite like the HD CRTs
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Yes, because we don't need it, we only want it.

That's a horrible argument.

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That's a horrible argument.

I'm using your words so how horrible could it be? You're just mad because I out smartassed you, but jokes aside 4K is the future of TV but until we can't get Blu Ray quality on streaming content I just can't see moving on to a higher resolution. The banding that occurs on a compressed 1080p stream will only be more obvious on a 4K TV.
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I'm using your words so how horrible could it be? You're just mad because I out smartassed you.

You're arguing that technology will not progress if it's just a want despite no computer or computer display is needed for being a human being. You call that outsmarting? 1oyvey.gif

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...until we can't get Blu Ray quality on streaming content I just can't see moving on to a higher resolution. The banding that occurs on a compressed 1080p stream will only be more obvious on a 4K TV.

Blu-ray has nothing to do with Apple TV apps on a 60+" display. As previously noted, you keep looking at this as if it's a "boob tube" but you need to see the bigger picture of how technology is evolving. It's crazy that you think that 1920x1080 on a 5" phone is perfectly reasonable and 2048x1536 on a 7.85" tablet is perfectly reasonable but on a 60+" display anything higher than 1920x1080 becoming confusing for displaying an OS UI.

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You're arguing that technology will not progress if it's just a want despite no computer or computer display is needed for being a human being. You call that outsmarting? 1oyvey.gif
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Just about everything is a want and sometimes we want a want more than we want a need. I'm not denying that technology will grow and it's much easier to make higher resolution content for a hi res computer screen than the content for a TV.
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Blu-ray has nothing to do with Apple TV apps on a 60+" display. As previously noted, you keep looking at this as if it's a "boob tube" but you need to see the bigger picture of how technology is evolving. It's crazy that you think that 1920x1080 on a 5" phone is perfectly reasonable and 2048x1536 on a 7.85" tablet is perfectly reasonable but on a 60+" display anything higher than 1920x1080 becoming confusing for displaying an OS UI.

Where did I say all that? I only mentioned BR because of the image quality versus the same exact content but streamed. The UI elements will be easily made at 4K and even some apps. My concern is with the content that'll be consumed mostly, which are TV shows, movies and video games.
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Earlier this year, Foxconn's first-quarter revenue was down 19.2 percent year over year. Those losses were attributed largely to declining orders of the iPhone and iPad from Apple.

Why does the losses have to be attributed solely to Apple? Foxconn supplies many companies along with Apple and could it possible some of the other companies participated in the losses?

Moving on...

The NYT starts off writing how Foxconn is moving away from its dependence being a supplier of Apple only to finish writing about how Foxconn's television ambition has it wanting to be ready to supply... Wait for it... Apple more than ever!

 

 

because Apple's order accounts for as much as 70% of Foxconn's entire production?


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Where did I say all that?

You're the one that mentioned Blu-ray. I never once mentioned any shiny plastic disc media.

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because Apple's order accounts for up to 70% of Foxconn's production?

Look at Rubbermaid, Walmart was just 24% of its business and when Walmart decided to stop carrying Rubbermaid products it devastated the company.
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You're the one that mentioned Blu-ray. I never once mentioned any shiny plastic disc media.

And I explained why I mentioned Blu Ray, now where did I mention everything else you claimed I did?

Where did I say any of this?
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Where did I even mention phones?
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Where did I even mention phones?

 

You said the equivalent of "1080p ought to be enough for anyone". 

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You said the equivalent of "1080p ought to be enough for anyone". 

Show me where I said that. My point is that 1080p should be mastered before moving on to 4K. HD cable channels are transmitted in 1080i.
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