Originally Posted by Paul Connell
This makes no sense whatsoever. You damn well will know if it's a good time to stop the sub - and the answer is that, unless you're retiring, is it's NEVER a good time to stop your sub, because as soon as you do, you loose all access to everything - the applications and open/edit/update ability for everything you've ever created with those applications.
Correction: it's never a good time to cancel if you plan on editing your files using Adobe's tools. Opening and or updating the files, if they don't use proprietary filters or formats will naturally be possible with some other program.
Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc
Second question: why should we all wait for those advances until someone is ready to "upgrade"? The tech industry is moving at a 6-month (3-month really) speed these days. I and many of my clients need these tools actually yesterday, and I need them to also evolve at about that pace.**** Adobe has determined that this is also the best way to do that, rather than wait for mega-suite versions. I don't have a crystal ball to know whether it will work or not, but it certainly seems worth trying.
Why should we all wait for someone else to be ready to upgrade? You shouldn't. But the opposite is also equally valid - why should someone who doesn't need every buggy new feature the second it hits a beta state be forced to pay for it? The answer is the same - they shouldn't. And that precisely highlights the absurdity of the one-size-fits-all licensing scheme.
And I can't help but notice the irony and tone of this line of reasoning - "why should we (meaning you) have to wait until I'm ready to upgrade", as if I'm somehow imposing on you. For the past year, we've both enjoyed the benefits of the licensing scheme that suits us best. No one has been pressuring Adobe to stop the subscription model, and I've repeatedly acknowledged it's benefits under the right circumstances. But it's you who is imposing on me - by so endorsing this new one-size-fits-all model. You suggest you are being imposed on when you're not being imposed on at all, at the very same time you endorse the imposition of all of us. I just love the hypocrisy.
*Blush* Gotta give you this one... you're right that I shouldn't be imposing on your wishes. But I'm not the one responsible here, Adobe is. Once again, In the link I gave above an Adobe executive has stated that "the plan is to drop perpetual licenses in the future, but it's not definite" (sic)
Second, as for your comments about the industry moving at a 6 month (3-month really) speed... what does that even mean??!?!?!?
You haven't noticed? People need tools for HTML5, for apps, for e-books and mags. Also, in some wild and futuristic corners of the net, people can edit their photos and videos online easier and more efficient than with Adobe software. They can also create entire websites and apps using webtools almost exclusively. They need to concentrate, focus, and pick up the ball with their software tools.... or they're relegated to the Bush League, CC or not, anyway.
And again this entire problem goes away with the retention of usage rights after a subscription ends with a few simple conditions being met. No separate code bases - you're left with the state the program(s) were in at the time of termination. You're stopping your subscription? Oh, you've been a loyal customer for all these years? Here's links to the latest packaged installers, we're sorry to see you go and hope we can win you back in the future.
Not offering this can only be seen as being carefully and precisely crafted to compel people to never stop their subscription, and that's because under this model, Adobe knows it'll cost more people considerably more than it'll save the few who'll actually save.
OK. I'm going to concede this argument to you, and say that I also support your desire and the eventual reinstating of perpetual licensing in some form or other.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding here... but what I don't agree with is some kind of colluded, multi-tier, monster table of licenses and ticked feature lists. Not only do I personally hate them as a user... I despise creating them for clients as well(!)
KISS means you get what you pay for after X amount of time. Done.
Single programs 24-months ($240.00) or 36 months for the Suite ($1800.00). This would also put the onus on Adobe to keep people interested in a monthly CC sub, and get the other people that have left back onto it sooner.
I can see the individual Product Managers cringing at that simplicity... and even some users... but it is simple. Nothing worse than a carrier tarif structure or going back to a Microsoft Windows approach. Apple does KISS rather well, why shouldn't someone else give it a shot? The whole Design, Web, Standard, Master Suite... plus individual programs.... plus standard or extended.... as a structure was just plain stupid and unnecessarily complex... IMHO.
Not too far off-topic, but it appears that the entire world is skeptical of everything these days to do with business, government, whatever.. and I might add for good reason. However, the internet has given the Perpetual Skeptics a far larger voice than they deserve IMHO.... and it's far "stickier" than in the past... or even iOS for that matter.
No matter the thorough reaming and mistakes I have made in my past based on "Naive Rose-Colored Trust", I still try to remain positive and non-judgmental. That is until I learn a new variant of the theme. Maybe that's why I've also learned to listen to other's reasoning and be able to change my stance or opinion in short time to avoid said reaming
Regardless: Pirates are not good and they should definitely stay off of my lawn, outa my puddles, and not even attempt to show me their treasures...or else!
Edited: ... unless the pirate happens to be Penelope Cruz... Ahooooy....!Edited by ThePixelDoc - 5/9/13 at 7:38am