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A report from the Far East on Tuesday says struggling LCD manufacturer and Apple supplier Sharp is ready to ramp up display manufacture for the next-generation iPhone, with mass production slated to start next month.

Kameyama
Sharp's Kameyama LCD plant in Japan's Mie Prefecture.


Sharp will supposedly be using its Kameyama Plant No. 1 to churn out LCDs bound for the so-called "iPhone 5S," Apple's much-rumored next-generation handset expected to see release in the third quarter, reports Japan's Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun (via Kodawarisan).

The Kameyama facility has seen poor utilization rates as Sharp's LCD business waned in 2012, with the plant's use dropping to some 40 percent of its 600-million unit per month maximum capacity.

Once one of Japan's consumer electronic giants, falling revenue has forced Sharp to take on investments from outside corporations like Apple suppliers Foxconn and Samsung, the latter of which recently became the firm's largest foreign stakeholder.

In addition to Sharp, the publication reported that Japan Display, a company combining the display arms of Sony, Hitachi and Toshiba, and LG Display have also received orders, with mass production at those firms already underway.

Apple's next-generation smartphone is expected to retain the same display as the current iPhone 5, with rumored upgrades being a fingerprint sensor, faster A7 SoC and inclusion of the iOS 7 mobile operating system, among others. Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo in April noted that issues relating to the implementation of the fingerprint sensor, as well as delays in iOS 7 development, could force a later than usual release schedule for the handset.

Also rumored to debut around the same time as the flagship iPhone 5S is a new, more affordable model that could be positioned to address a larger segment of the smartphone consumer marketplace.
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How "struggling" are they since they received that generous cash infusion from Foxconn (in exchange for partial ownership)?

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Does it even make sense to mention about "starting 'iPhone 5S' LCD production" when it is the same LCD as in iPhone 5?
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Does it even make sense to mention about "starting 'iPhone 5S' LCD production" when it is the same LCD as in iPhone 5?

Being the same pixel density or resolution doesn't mean it's the same display tech.

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After having seen the 440ppi display on the HTC One (which was so good I had to touch it to make sure it wasn't a printed sticker stuck over the screen) I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S. I've come to expect Apple to have the very best cutting-edge technology parts in each new iPhone and the HTC One display is certainly a step change better than the iPhone 5 display.
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After having seen the 440ppi display on the HTC One (which was so good I had to touch it to make sure it wasn't a printed sticker stuck over the screen) I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S. I've come to expect Apple to have the very best cutting-edge technology parts in each new iPhone and the HTC One display is certainly a step change better than the iPhone 5 display.

Are you seeing the difference between 326 PPI and 440 PPI or are you seeing other differences?

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After having seen the 440ppi display on the HTC One (which was so good I had to touch it to make sure it wasn't a printed sticker stuck over the screen) I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S. I've come to expect Apple to have the very best cutting-edge technology parts in each new iPhone and the HTC One display is certainly a step change better than the iPhone 5 display.

Really? The iPhone is known to be on the cutting edge? I love my iPhone, and don't see myself getting anything else anytime soon, but come on. Apple is well known to take the wait-and-see approach with everything. No 3G on original iPhone, low camera megapixel count on earlier models, resistant to screen size increase, had been leapfrogged in pure number of pixels by the original Droid before releasing the Retina display, slow to move to LTE, slow to implement multitasking, slow to implement notification management, slow to incorporate cut-copy-paste, low pure clock speeds on processors relative to competition, low amounts of RAM compared to competition, etc. I, for one, appreciate this, as (most of the time), it means Apple gets it right, and outdoes whatever else is out there. Apple does not chase the spec sheet, only the experience.

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Good! Anyone but Samsung.....

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Originally Posted by danwarne View Post

After having seen the 440ppi display on the HTC One (which was so good I had to touch it to make sure it wasn't a printed sticker stuck over the screen) I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S. I've come to expect Apple to have the very best cutting-edge technology parts in each new iPhone and the HTC One display is certainly a step change better than the iPhone 5 display.
What's better about the One display (that you can actually see)?
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Really? The iPhone is known to be on the cutting edge? I love my iPhone, and don't see myself getting anything else anytime soon, but come on. Apple is well known to take the wait-and-see approach with everything. No 3G on original iPhone, low camera megapixel count on earlier models, resistant to screen size increase, had been leapfrogged in pure number of pixels by the original Droid before releasing the Retina display, slow to move to LTE, slow to implement multitasking, slow to implement notification management, slow to incorporate cut-copy-paste, low pure clock speeds on processors relative to competition, low amounts of RAM compared to competition, etc. I, for one, appreciate this, as (most of the time), it means Apple gets it right, and outdoes whatever else is out there. Apple does not chase the spec sheet, only the experience.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Are you seeing the difference between 326 PPI and 440 PPI or are you seeing other differences?


I was wondering the same thing. Higher resolution may still contribute to the sense of realism, but it needs to be a pretty significant difference to be noticeable. I suspect this isn't a high priority for Apple, as a stronger backlight would cut into battery life.

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After having seen the 440ppi display on the HTC One (which was so good I had to touch it to make sure it wasn't a printed sticker stuck over the screen) I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S. I've come to expect Apple to have the very best cutting-edge technology parts in each new iPhone and the HTC One display is certainly a step change better than the iPhone 5 display.

It's going to be a long time until Apple doubles the screen res of the iPhone. And frankly I'm glad they use this method, because I find the res great and the higher res the more things are affected, like performance, heat, battery life.
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What's better about the One display (that you can actually see)?

That's a strange question to ask him. It sounds to me like you don't believe him?
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Originally Posted by danwarne View Post

After having seen the 440ppi display on the HTC One (which was so good I had to touch it to make sure it wasn't a printed sticker stuck over the screen) I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S. I've come to expect Apple to have the very best cutting-edge technology parts in each new iPhone and the HTC One display is certainly a step change better than the iPhone 5 display.

Just a gut feeling, but I think the difference you're perceiving is actually the screen size. iPads are lower pixel density than the iPhone, but because they are far bigger than look more breath taking IMO. I suspect that's actually what's happening.
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

Really? The iPhone is known to be on the cutting edge? I love my iPhone, and don't see myself getting anything else anytime soon, but come on. Apple is well known to take the wait-and-see approach with everything. No 3G on original iPhone, low camera megapixel count on earlier models, resistant to screen size increase, had been leapfrogged in pure number of pixels by the original Droid before releasing the Retina display, slow to move to LTE, slow to implement multitasking, slow to implement notification management, slow to incorporate cut-copy-paste, low pure clock speeds on processors relative to competition, low amounts of RAM compared to competition, etc. I, for one, appreciate this, as (most of the time), it means Apple gets it right, and outdoes whatever else is out there. Apple does not chase the spec sheet, only the experience.

I disagree slightly. Apple aren't a wait and see company but they certainly aren't a rush in regardless company.
From what I see, not much is more important than battery life to them so they'll only do something if it can be done well.

I have no doubt that Apple could have been the first with a lot of tech but then everyone would be moaning about the 3 hour battery life.
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

Really? The iPhone is known to be on the cutting edge? I love my iPhone, and don't see myself getting anything else anytime soon, but come on. Apple is well known to take the wait-and-see approach with everything. No 3G on original iPhone, low camera megapixel count on earlier models, resistant to screen size increase, had been leapfrogged in pure number of pixels by the original Droid before releasing the Retina display, slow to move to LTE, slow to implement multitasking, slow to implement notification management, slow to incorporate cut-copy-paste, low pure clock speeds on processors relative to competition, low amounts of RAM compared to competition, etc. I, for one, appreciate this, as (most of the time), it means Apple gets it right, and outdoes whatever else is out there. Apple does not chase the spec sheet, only the experience.

Higher clock speeds and higher amounts of RAM does not make your product "cutting-edge".  Having higher performance with lower-clock speeds, lower amounts of RAM combined with faster memory bandwidth which in turn yields better battery life is far more "cutting-edge" than the useless octo-core, 2GB phones that need all of that just to make the Android UI less laggy (and even that isn't guaranteed). You're confusing needing to make up for inefficient software with more battery-hungry hardware with being "cutting-edge".

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Sharp now producing iPhone 5 successor LCD's - Sharp invented IGZO - really hope rumours that the 5s screen is the same as the 5 screen, are incorrect and the 5s will finally incorporate an IGZO display...really want to see how this technology compares with current smartphone display fodder.
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Originally Posted by danwarne View Post

After having seen the 440ppi display on the HTC One (which was so good I had to touch it to make sure it wasn't a printed sticker stuck over the screen) I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S. I've come to expect Apple to have the very best cutting-edge technology parts in each new iPhone and the HTC One display is certainly a step change better than the iPhone 5 display.

 

Remember that the One display uses a PenTile matrix so the resolution figure is misleading. There ARE that many pixels, but it takes 150% more of them to create the same image. Thus a 440ppi PenTile display is the equivalent of a 293ppi IPS screen while being slightly less sharp than a 293ppi IPS.

 

The iPhone screen is better in bright sunlight and draws less power allowing longer battery life.

 

Like everything else in life, every gain comes at the price of a sacrifice somewhere else.

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Remember that the One display uses a PenTile matrix so the resolution figure is misleading.

The HTC One use Super LCD 3, not Samsung's PenTile AMOLED technology. It's RGB all the way!



PS: Oh no, now I'll get blasted for saying something positive about HTC¡


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The HTC One use Super LCD 2, not Samsung's PenTile AMOLED technology. It's RGB all the way!

 

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 HTC One uses a Super LCD3 capacitive display with a 1920x1080 pixel Full HD resolution at 469ppi and not a pentile display.

 

I stand corrected. Sorry.

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There is more to perception than your ability to see or not see the pixels. Retina, in this case, is a marketing effort not a scientific evaluation of the screen.
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I was wondering the same thing. Higher resolution may still contribute to the sense of realism, but it needs to be a pretty significant difference to be noticeable. I suspect this isn't a high priority for Apple, as a stronger backlight would cut into battery life.
There are many factors to consider, even the gloss of the screen and things like saturation come into play. The actual pixel count might not be a factor in what he saw, more testing is required.

Battery life is always an issue. Interesting here is the mention of Sharp which cold mean significant battery lifetime improvements given IGZO or whatever technology. The scoop seems to be that these screens give a better user experience at the same pixel densities too. In any event if Sharps screens deliver the rumored power savings, I've heard as much as 40%, then it could very well be a significant upgrade to the iPhones screen.
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That's a strange question to ask him. It sounds to me like you don't believe him?

Do you?
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Originally Posted by danwarne View Post
I would be quite disappointed if Apple stuck with the same resolution for the 5S.

 

Thanks for your magical assessment of nonsense. You already can't see the pixels on an iPhone display. Explain how doubling it again would make any sense.

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Come on Apple, let's make a large iPhone. The iPhone5 is a joke. Been using Apple since the Apple IIe and my 62 year old eyes and fingers need a much large screen.

The retina hype is a joke. Please make something that is larger, not something that has a sexy name (Retina) that no one really knows what it is.

Thx Much
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Originally Posted by FredDavenport View Post
Come on Apple, let's make a large iPhone. The iPhone5 is a joke.

 

That explains why you're "sticking with your iPhone 4". 1oyvey.gif


…no one really knows what it is.

 

Do some effing reading and you'll know exactly what it is. My stars.

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