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In its financial report for the first quarter of 2013 published on Tuesday, T-Mobile said its earnings dipped from the year ago period, but noted a strong second quarter may be in the offing after selling 500,000 iPhones since sales of Apple's handset started on April 12.

The nation's fourth-largest wireless carrier saw a 7.1 percent year-over-year decline in revenues for the quarter ending March 31, with adjusted earnings before tax, depreciation and amortization reaching $1.2 billion, down 7.5 percent, reports All Things D. The half-million iPhone sales weren't accounted for in the first quarter.

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Customers line up ahead of T-Mobile's iPhone launch. Image via BTIG Research's Walter Piecyk (@piecykw)


T-Mobile began selling the iPhone less than one month ago on April 12, with Apple's handset debuting on the so-called "Un-Carrier's" network alongside a no-subsidy pricing structure. Under the newly formulated offerings, a 16GB iPhone 5 is sold for a $99 upfront fee, with the remaining device cost to be amortized in $20 installments spread over the following 20 months.

The Un-Carrier was the last of the big-four U.S. telecoms to strike a deal with Apple to sell the iPhone.

Although T-Mobile suffered a year-to-year financial dip, quarter-on-quarter numbers were up, a promising sign as the company is in the midst of building out its 4G LTE network.

?Our first quarter operating metrics and financial results are showing positive impact from the changes we began making in the fourth quarter," said President & CEO of T-Mobile John Legere. "We ended the quarter with strong operational momentum, which is continuing into the second quarter, driven by the successful launch of our Un-carrier ?Simple Choice? service plan and the introduction of the iPhone into our device line-up."

According to the results statement, branded customer net additions stood at 3,000 customers at the end of quarter one, with the sector showing positive growth for the first time since 2009. Branded postpaid net losses were at 199,000, an improvement of 61 percent from 2012, while branded prepaid net additions hit 202,000 customers. Attributing to the strong performance was a churn rate of 1.9 percent, the lowest since the second quarter of 2008.

T-Mobile ended the first quarter with roughly 34 million customers, an increase of 579,000 from the end of quarter four 2012.
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Oh my god! Another major setback for Apple...
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Oh my god! Another major setback for Apple...

They're doomed.  Apple should shut it's doors.  hahahahahahaha.

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What's the highest number of phones of any model they've ever sold in one month?
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6 months old phone, or older?

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So out of 579,000 half a million were iPhones? ;-)
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It's amazing how, despite all the foolish predictions and wishful thinking, the iPhone juggernaut just rolls on.

Add this to the pile of evidence that Android will be toast in its two biggest markets (except for catering to the low end segments) when China Mobile signs on, and Apple really starts to focus on India.
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How come these carriers always release how many iPhones they activated but not numbers from anyone else? How come they never tell us how many Samsung phones they sold?
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What's the highest number of phones of any model they've ever sold in one month?

 

It's not important. Important is f.e. comparison to over 6 millions from Verizon in the Q1, which is AFAIK larger and has better network than T-Mobile and sells already to previous iPhone users. If you add those factors to this number, then you can easily say this number is excellent! Not blockbuster, but excellent. This was rather a surprise for T-Mobile, if you ask me.

 

As I said before: if Apple would have larger screen model and perhaps one semi-budget, Samsung Electronics would be renamed to Samsung Rubber and producing boots, souls, surgical gloves and condoms.......IF and only if USA was the market for smartphones.

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What's the highest number of phones of any model they've ever sold in one month?

It's not important. 

Who are you to judge it's "not important"?!

Either answer his question or move along.
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Who are you to judge it's "not important"?!

Either answer his question or move along.

 

Excuse me, I thought this was a forum not Q&A session...

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Excuse me, I thought this was a forum not Q&A session...

Next question!

Still, is this good? We need comparable data on other phones for t mobile.
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It's not important. Important is f.e. comparison to over 6 millions from Verizon in the Q1, which is AFAIK larger and has better network than T-Mobile and sells already to previous iPhone users. If you add those factors to this number, then you can easily say this number is excellent! Not blockbuster, but excellent. This was rather a surprise for T-Mobile, if you ask me.

 

As I said before: if Apple would have larger screen model and perhaps one semi-budget, Samsung Electronics would be renamed to Samsung Rubber and producing boots, souls, surgical gloves and condoms.......IF and only if USA was the market for smartphones.

 

Samsung is producing souls??!  Now that's a scary thought.

 

Glad to see Apple doing well on T-mobile too.  Will be interesting to see if other carriers follow suit.  T-mobile is offering lower rates on their mobile plans, then 'financing' the iPhones to users.  Net result is users pay about the same for an iPhone as on other networks.  The dangerous potential distinguishment for Apple is that now Android users can get the same lower rates and pay less (by buying a $350-400 android phone or less instead of a $499 iPhone).  It could be win/win.  The data looks like Apple fans are willing to pay more for their iPhone, and Android users no longer will be subsidizing Apple users by paying high data rate plans the other carriers need to offset their subsidy losses to Apple.  If phone advancement slows down, users hitting their 2 year point may simply choose to keep their existing phones and just enjoy low data plan rates.

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So out of 579,000 half a million were iPhones? ;-)

What part of "half million iPhone sales weren't accounted for in the first quarter" didn't you understand?
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Next question!

Still, is this good? We need comparable data on other phones for t mobile.

 

1smile.gif I claim this is good based on sales data from Verizon, I have stated why. There are more ways than one to measure the quality of information. However, if you get the other phones sales data from T-Mobile, we can say something more, of course. Still, as I said, I believe this number is excellent. 


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Samsung is producing souls??!  Now that's a scary thought.

 

Glad to see Apple doing well on T-mobile too.  Will be interesting to see if other carriers follow suit.  T-mobile is offering lower rates on their mobile plans, then 'financing' the iPhones to users.  Net result is users pay about the same for an iPhone as on other networks.  The dangerous potential distinguishment for Apple is that now Android users can get the same lower rates and pay less (by buying a $350-400 android phone or less instead of a $499 iPhone).  It could be win/win.  The data looks like Apple fans are willing to pay more for their iPhone, and Android users no longer will be subsidizing Apple users by paying high data rate plans the other carriers need to offset their subsidy losses to Apple.  If phone advancement slows down, users hitting their 2 year point may simply choose to keep their existing phones and just enjoy low data plan rates.

 

By all statistics I have ever read, iOS generates substantially more WEB traffic than Android, taking in calculation also general perception that there are a lot more active Android handsets than iPhones, then I really don't know, how could Android users ever paying for iPhone users.

 

Regarding "soul" manufacturing: you can't really blame old Beatles fan from Europe, can you?

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Iphone 5 awesome !
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Excuse me, I thought this was a forum not Q&A session...

Actually, it was a thinly-veiled request for politeness masquerading as a Q&A session......

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My thoughts exactly.
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Impressive number when you consider that folks could buy a unlocked AT&T phone for ages and use t-mobile. I would have expected sales to be rather low but this is better than I figured
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It's not important. Important is f.e. comparison to over 6 millions from Verizon in the Q1, which is AFAIK larger and has better network than T-Mobile and sells already to previous iPhone users. I

 

I have to disagree with you on that point. You claim that it only matters who well they are selling compared to the rest of the carriers but I argue that yes it is important how well the iPhone is selling against other models within a carrier. Remember that every carrier has to commit to buying a certain and not small number of models that can't be returned if they don't sell. So if T-Mobile has to commit to say, 5 million iPhones and folks aren't buying the phones then they have a huge loss to deal with. Especially if that's a yearly number that they have to commit to for 2-3 years. Cause if they can't sell those phones when they are the new and hip model its going to be a lot harder when they are replaced by something newer. 

 

That, despite any unlocked GSM phone working on one level or another on their system, they sold 500k in about 3 weeks is a good sign that they can make enough sales to cover their required buy it (which was likely more like 2 million for this fiscal year since it's half over and 5 million for the next year when the 5s/6 comes out)

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Impressive number when you consider that folks could buy a unlocked AT&T phone for ages and use t-mobile. I would have expected sales to be rather low but this is better than I figured

Most people on T-Mobile are there because it's less expensive so most iPhone users had a previous model of iPhone so even though they're getting a 6 month old phone they're actually getting it 6 months ahead of time on their schedule.
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500,001 today. Me!
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 Net result is users pay about the same for an iPhone as on other networks. 

 

 

How do you figure that? An unlimited voice, unlimited text, and 3.5GB of data costs $139 on AT&T (yes you can get cheaper plans if you give up unlimited voice or data). Unlimited voice, text, and data (with 500 MB of 4G data) costs $50 a month on T-Mobile. $70 if you want to take out a zero interest loan for an iPhone 5. Further, the iPhone 5 requires a $100 less down payment than everybody else. 

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I actually switched my GSM unlocked iPhone 5 for the updated model that works with more of the 4G signals offered by T-Mobile. The difference is astonishing from a performance standpoint. At $589 for the full cost, and the resell value of a factory unlocked iPhone it was a minimal cost. And more than covered with the monthly service cost difference from AT&T. And no contract.

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How do you figure that? An unlimited voice, unlimited text, and 3.5GB of data costs $139 on AT&T (yes you can get cheaper plans if you give up unlimited voice or data). Unlimited voice, text, and data (with 500 MB of 4G data) costs $50 a month on T-Mobile. $70 if you want to take out a zero interest loan for an iPhone 5. Further, the iPhone 5 requires a $100 less down payment than everybody else. 

Unlimited everything is $70, plus $20 for the phone. 500 MB of 4G is a joke for power users.
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Power users? So kids watching hours of youtube videos and going through several gigs a month would also qualify as power users. okay...lol

I definitely qualify as a power user then since I use about 10GB or more now that LTE is here and I have unlimited data. Much better than the old name we were called which was data hogs so I won't argue the point.

Yeah data hogs too. lol.gif
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By all statistics I have ever read, iOS generates substantially more WEB traffic than Android, taking in calculation also general perception that there are a lot more active Android handsets than iPhones, then I really don't know, how could Android users ever paying for iPhone users.

 

Regarding "soul" manufacturing: you can't really blame old Beatles fan from Europe, can you?

 

Not trying to make fun of your spelling, just the irony of Samsung making souls tickled a nerve.  They'd be at the bottom of the list of people I'd want in the 'soul manufacturing' business.

 

The networks lose money by selling iPhones and more than make that money up by charging more for their data plans.  They lose more money from the iPhone than any other phone, but they charge all users the same high rates to make up their subsidy costs.  So EVERYONE on a data plan is paying off their subsidy costs regardless of the type of phone they use.

 

It would be interesting to see the average data usage broken out by OS.  Not web usage- data usage.  There's enough data from different sources to where I believe at least that tracking mechanisms are showing more iOS mobile usage.  I know I have my Android devices set to use desktop sites instead of requesting mobile version.  No idea if that spoofs the tracking or not although the jury seems split- many Android fans think it will, most Apple fans insist it won't.  I really don't care either way, but the more meaningful data would be the actual bill the carriers give users on the same plan.

 

If AT&T has 10,000,000 Apple/iOS users on one plan and 10,000,000 Android users on the same plan- what do they pay on average.  Most of the tasks I would do 'daily' on my iPhone (check my stocks, check weather, check tech sites) I'd imagine would generate quite a bit of web usage.  On my Android phone that usage is near zero.  I have a widget that runs a ticker with my stocks on it, a weather widget, and I use 'Appy Geek' to consolidate my tech news.  Not sure if data usage would really be fair.  With widgets its requesting the data I want more frequently since it doesn't require me to do anything, but with the old 'check the web' method I'd imagine the data usage might be higher too since it doesn't just download the info I want- but all the advertising and graphics from the site as well.

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What part of "half million iPhone sales weren't accounted for in the first quarter" didn't you understand?

Yeah, my bad. Reading helps. :-)
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