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New Nexus 7 to be highlight of Google I/O as 'iPad mini 2' faces delay, analyst says

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Noted analyst Ming-Chi Kuo believes Google will unveil a next-generation Nexus 7 tablet in partnership with Asus at the search giant's upcoming Google I/O conference, looking to steal some of Apple's thunder as a next-generation iPad mini is rumored to be delayed.

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Source: KGI Securities


In the research note obtained by AppleInsider, Kuo notes the new Nexus 7 will feature upgraded specs, such as a high-resolution screen, better cameras and wireless charging, but will maintain an entry-level price of $199. Apple is also rumored to be launching an updated iPad mini sometime in the third quarter, but that timeline is in question as recent reports have said production of the small form factor tablet hit a snag.

Google is likely to lose $5 to $10 per unit sold with the aggressive pricing, suggesting profits will come from media purchases and ad revenue. Kuo sees the distribution model being the same as 2012's version, with Google selling the Nexus 7 through its website, while Asustek and other retail outlets take care of higher-end iterations with more storage.

As for major changes from the current Nexus 7, Kuo sees a switch to Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4 Pro processor, a 7-inch LTPS panel carrying a 1,980-by-1,200 pixel resolution, a 5-megapixel rear facing camera and the inclusion of Texas Instruments' Qi wireless charging.

On the design side, the upcoming tablet is believed to have a narrow bezel reminiscent of the iPad mini.

Regarding the tablet's operating system, the analyst believes Google will stick with Android 4.x Jelly Bean, offering tablet-centric enhancements and new functions. Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie is not expected to be a focus.

Despite the update internals and unchanged price point, Kuo only expects limited year-on-year shipment growth.

Finally, Kuo estimates that Google will launch an Android Book laptop, Google "over-the-top" (OTT) TV box and a smartwatch to compete with the likes of Apple, Microsoft and Amazon. These products aren't expected to make it to Google I/O, as the company is said to be in planning stages and is not yet close to manufacturing.
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In what way is he "noted"?

 

Evidence?

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1) I'm glad to see an expectation of a 1920x1200 (323 PPI) display at $199. This plus Acer coming out with a 7.85" 4:3 tablet for $169 leans toward Apple being able to produce a Retina iPad mini this year for $329 as increasingly likely.

2) I'm not sure how LTPS compares to IPS but displays on Asus devices per AnandTech usually fare very well in color quality, brightness, and power management. To me, that's a good sign for Google.

3) Facing delays are never a good sign, but without any word on this actually existing with a ship date, specs and price it's foolhardy to jump on this as being delayed just as the trolls here like to jump on Apple for rumours of delays.

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Delays? I like when people predict delays to un-announced products. Who expected it to be coming in the third quarter? Why did they expect that? Why say anything at all if you can't address even the most basic points?
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Delays? I like when people predict delays to un-announced products. Who expected it to be coming in the third quarter? Why did they expect that? Why say anything at all if you can't address even the most basic points?

The engineers at Apple, you are silly to think that they don't plan on a deadline. A delay is when you need to push your launch date farther into the future. It is possible that the iPad Mini 2 will be launch later than originally planned. 

 

That said, I don't know if I really believe anyone has any idea what Apple is truly up to.

 

I hope they bring a stylus (similar to the S pen) to the large iPad. I am ready to replace the binder.

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Delays? I like when people predict delays to un-announced products. Who expected it to be coming in the third quarter? Why did they expect that? Why say anything at all if you can't address even the most basic points?

 

...because the analyst is basing their report largely on what happened last year, relying on people's short attention spans, in order to present it as something new.

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The engineers at Apple, you are silly to think that they don't plan on a deadline. A delay is when you need to push your launch date farther into the future. It is possible that the iPad Mini 2 will be launch later than originally planned. 

That said, I don't know if I really believe anyone has any idea what Apple is truly up to.

I hope they bring a stylus (similar to the S pen) to the large iPad. I am ready to replace the binder.

That's just the thing. This information is unverifiable, so the people that claim to be analysts can say anything they want. They really aren't accountable to the facts they disseminate. There is one competing site that keeps track of claims vs. whether they come true, and I don't think that section of their site is widely read.

I don't expect a new iPad mini until Sept-Oct, maybe early November. There's no reason to believe it was ever going to come sooner. If it does come sooner, great.
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Can't wait for the next generation Nexus 7
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Well of course Google can beat Apple to the market by releasing their high-res Nexus 7 several months before the retina iPad mini.

 

How many devices Google will have ready to ship? My guess is that they'll have only a few hundreds thousands at most.

 

And they won't care if the yields are so low that they don't make any profits or even lose money, because the Nexus line is all about rising the Android mindshare and getting people to use their services and see their ads.

 

When Apple will launch the retina iPad mini they will have millions of them ready to be sold. They'll probably sell much more new iPad minis on the first week-end than Google will be able to sell between their announcement and Apple's.


Edited by VL-Tone - 5/9/13 at 5:35pm
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Always saying delay to sth you think will release earlier than expected is bullshit .
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I forget, when did Apple announce a shipping date? Oh they didn't.
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Well of course Google can beat Apple to the market by releasing their high-res Nexus 7 several months before the retina iPad mini.

I expected the nexus would be shipped by now. Google is facing delays.
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S4 Pro? That doesn't sound correct. I'd assume it would be a Qualcomm 600 chip by now.

 

Edit, I almost definitely have no idea what I'm talking about.

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I expected the nexus would be shipped by now. Google is facing delays.

The Nexus 7 was announced at Google IO 2012 which was held at the end of June. The Nexus 7 isn't quite 11 months old yet. In reality we have no idea when a company will ship something, but judging by Google's past revelations at their developer conference, I'm sure there will be something new next week.

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The Nexus 7 was announced at Google IO 2012 which was held at the end of June. The Nexus 7 isn't quite 11 months old yet. In reality we have no idea when a company will ship something, but judging by Google's past revelations at their developer conference, I'm sure there will be something new next week.

I'm not sure you understood the point he was trying to make (using sarcasm).

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Losing $5 to $10 per unit on a brand new product? That's product dumping to gain market share.  What a sleezy business practice.  When will Google stop at their predatory practices?  Glad I don't buy Google products.

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Losing $5 to $10 per unit on a brand new product? That's product dumping to gain market share.  What a sleezy business practice.  When will Google stop at their predatory practices?  Glad I don't buy Google products.

The sad thing is that some people believe or want us to believe that Google is actually doing this for the good of mankind.

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Losing $5 to $10 per unit on a brand new product? That's product dumping to gain market share.  What a sleezy business practice.  When will Google stop at their predatory practices?  Glad I don't buy Google products.

Predatory yes.  But i think its still legal (and effective) in some industries.

 

Though my heart goes out to the Android tablet OEMs out there and their profit margin.   

 

@VL-Tone: I think people in general don't really care.  And google will do what any company would as well, turn a profit.  Tis unfortunate that it may lead to the demise of others. :\

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Predatory yes.  But i think its still legal (and effective) in some industries.

 

Though my heart goes out to the Android tablet OEMs out there and their profit margin.   

Don't worry Android tablet OEMs will keep their profit margins. They'll just use cheaper more fragile parts, cut on workers salaries and worsen their working conditions.  

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In what way is he "noted"?

 

Evidence?

 

"Noted" for his lack of accuracy?... for his boundless imagination?... for his haircut?

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Losing $5 to $10 per unit on a brand new product? That's product dumping to gain market share.  What a sleezy business practice.  When will Google stop at their predatory practices?  Glad I don't buy Google products.

 

And the pathetic thing is, the Nexus 7 barely made a marketshare blip even while they were doing that-imagine if they actually priced it to make a decent profit. They can product dump all they want, consumers are still voting for the better product with their wallets. I actually bought a Nexus 7, because I thought it was an incredibly good price for the product- and ended up returning it a week later because it was just a horrible experience overall, in so many ways. It didn't matter how cheap it was, I just hated using the product as it continually frustrated me. 

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Hmm...will the tech press complain about the lack of innovation here like the do with Apple products? And what's the big deal with wireless charging? Doesn't something (charging matt?) have to be plugged in to an outlet? And does it charge as fast as a cable plugged into the outlet? Also, are you able to use the device while its charging?
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Losing $5 to $10 per unit on a brand new product? That's product dumping to gain market share.  What a sleezy business practice.  When will Google stop at their predatory practices?  Glad I don't buy Google products.
Engadget put up an editorial (either earlier this year or last year) saying this race to the bottom in pricing wasn't sustainable and wasn't good for consumers in the long run. They were forced to modify the editorial because readers (i.e. trolls) complained that the editorial was pro-Apple and just there to justify the iPad mini pricing. I'm waiting for another publication to have the balls to do the same, and not retract or modify it. Asus might be able to do this because Google is willing to subsidize it but how do other hardware OEMs compete?
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I'll keep my Nexus 10. I couldn't even tell a difference from my iPad 1 to iPad 4, so I'm a teched out:-) and blind old man that ain't chasing this game anymore until something revolutionary.

 

The camera's on iPad models after the first one are a bit of a giveaway, as is the LTE on the 3rd one and the Retina on the 4th, then the mini is smaller.

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And the pathetic thing is, the Nexus 7 barely made a marketshare blip even while they were doing that-imagine if they actually priced it to make a decent profit. They can product dump all they want, consumers are still voting for the better product with their wallets. I actually bought a Nexus 7, because I thought it was an incredibly good price for the product- and ended up returning it a week later because it was just a horrible experience overall, in so many ways. It didn't matter how cheap it was, I just hated using the product as it continually frustrated me. 

My company was giving them away as prizes during our Christmas party last year. My daughter won one and she seems to really like it, I think she only really uses it as a eBook reader and music/video player though. She did steal one of my Nokia NFC speakers though, I bought two of them when I got my N9 a while back. She still get's a kick out of listening to a song and only having to touch the NFC enabled speaker to start playing through them. The little time I played with it I did like the ease at which I was able to connect to our Mac Mini Media server, using ES File Manager you can connect to any computer and see all of the shared files and stream any media in any codec.

 

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So this would also mean Asus are losing on their non Nexus Fonepad. If enough people keep saying it does it really become true?
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So this would also mean Asus are losing on their non Nexus Fonepad. If enough people keep saying it does it really become true?

The Asus Fonepad has a 1280x800 screen and a cheap plastic enclosure. Taiwanese labor is also very cheap. And even though they may not lose money you can bet that Asus margins are very low.

 

We're talking about the next Nexus 7 which will supposedly have a 1920x1200 screen which is more than 2x the number of pixels as the Asus (and the previous Nexus 7).

 

Can you point to any 7-8" tablet currently on the market at around $200 that have that kind of resolution?

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1) I'm glad to see an expectation of a 1920x1200 (323 PPI) display at $199. This plus Acer coming out with a 7.85" 4:3 tablet for $169 leans toward Apple being able to produce a Retina iPad mini this year for $329 as increasingly likely.

2) I'm not sure how LTPS compares to IPS but displays on Asus devices per AnandTech usually fare very well in color quality, brightness, and power management. To me, that's a good sign for Google.

3) Facing delays are never a good sign, but without any word on this actually existing with a ship date, specs and price it's foolhardy to jump on this as being delayed just as the trolls here like to jump on Apple for rumours of delays.

 

Yep. and hopefully they will carry 1 old mini model at $199. Would be nice if the retina mini could drop to $299 too. imo they need a lower consumption screen tech to make it worked.

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Can you point to any 7-8" tablet currently on the market at around $200 that have that kind of resolution?

 

the amazon Kindle Fire HD.

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I'll keep my Nexus 10. I couldn't even tell a difference from my iPad 1 to iPad 4, so I'm a teched out:-) and blind old man that ain't chasing this game anymore until something revolutionary.

What do you think of your Nexus 10?
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