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Microsoft would love for Apple to bring iTunes ? one of the world's most popular software offerings ? to its Windows 8 "Metro" platform, but executives at the Redmond giant say Windows 8 users shouldn't expect a touch-friendly version of the application any time soon.

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Apple doesn't appear to be too keen on developing a version of iTunes that integrates the Modern UI face of Windows 8, Microsoft representatives told CNN this week.

"You shouldn't expect an iTunes app on Windows 8 any time soon," the chief financial officer of Microsoft's Windows division said. "iTunes is in high demand. The welcome mat has been laid out. It's not for lack of trying."

iTunes is available for Windows 8, but the lack of a Modern UI version, otherwise known as "Metro," means that users in tablet mode, working without a keyboard and mouse, have a harder time navigating the program. It also means that users running the none too popular Windows RT are completely unable to use the software, as that version of Windows ? built to run on ARM processors ? does not run non-Microsoft desktop software.

Apple has in the past readily ported its most popular Mac applications to Microsoft's Windows, the operating system on which most computers run worldwide. In the rapidly growing tablet segment, though, Apple is king. Even with Windows 8 tablets grabbing some market share, Apple could likely ignore the platform for some time and see no ill effects.

Windows 8 now has over 60,000 apps available, and users have downloaded roughly 250 million apps in total. Microsoft aims to have Windows 8 versions of all of the most popular apps in the iTunes App Store available by the holiday season.

These most recent app figures and estimations from Microsoft underscore just how badly Windows 8 has stumbled out of the gate. In October, ahead of the platform's launch, Microsoft was predicting it would hit the 100,000-app mark by February, three months after its release. At the six-month milestone, the platform has just over half that total.
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Say , after MS Office is available on iPad ?

 

(and, BTW, totally useless, because, you know, Surface is for SERIOUS creation work, as opposed to frustrating iPad)


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Misleading headline. There is a iTunes for Windows 8 non-touch desktop version.
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I don't see why - excepting technical difficulties - Apple wouldn't do that.
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How the tables have turned. Now who needs who's help?

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Port Office to iOS, and port FaceTime to Windws. Cut a deal, MS: You'll both win!
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Something about MS's comment seems off. I can see an issue with having a Metro UI touch version that runs on x86, x86_64, and ARM but I'd think still think Apple would do it if they thought there was a big enough market for it. Isn't MS's app store similar to Apple's insofar that MS also would also want 30% for all purchases through the iTunes for Metro UI app? If that the fine print on the "welcome mat" no wonder Apple isn't interested.

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Perhaps Apple will invest $100 million and pledge to produce a touch version of iTunes for an undisclosed number of shares of non-voting Microsoft stock and other concessions and be regarded as the saviors of Microsoft? /s

 

I don't see why Apple wouldn't want to do this eventually, but there's likely no need to rush to do it right now. I'm actually surprised Microsoft is asking for it, are they getting that many complaints and/or requests from their customers about/for it? It would seem to be a good opportunity for them to push their own service.

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Perhaps Apple will invest $100 million and pledge to produce a touch version of iTunes for an undisclosed number of shares of non-voting Microsoft stock and other concessions and be regarded as the saviors of Microsoft? /s

 

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Yes, the whole deal being announced by S Ballmer, with Tim's (moderately) smiling face on a giant screen ... (NB : credit to Simtub member for the image creation)

 

 

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Something about MS's comment seems off. I can see an issue with having a Metro UI touch version that runs on x86, x86_64, and ARM but I'd think still think Apple would do it if they thought there was a big enough market for it. Isn't MS's app store similar to Apple's insofar that MS also would also want 30% for all purchases through the iTunes for Metro UI app? If that the fine print on the "welcome mat" no wonder Apple isn't interested.

If there is a cut, then even 5% might be a show-stopper, it might nullify any profit from those users.
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Say , after MS Office is available on iPad ?

 

(and, BTW, totally useless, because, you know, Surface is for SERIOUS creation work, as opposed to frustrating iPad)

Yeah, no kidding.  I thought Microsoft was supposed to release their "Free" version of Office for iOS by now.  I guess Microsoft is waiting for Surface to take off first.

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Microsoft wants iTunes and Apple wants MS Office...I'd say this gets worked out to everyone's advantage at some point.
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I don't see why - excepting technical difficulties - Apple wouldn't do that.

 

Let's count the reasons:

 

  1. By most reports, Apple has moved almost all of it's engineering staff onto iOS 7, so not many people available.
  2. I'm sure the vast majority of engineers at Apple have little to no Windows experience, so it's not like they can just pull people from other projects to work on it.
  3. It's a huge undertaking to port an app written and designed for desktop/Win32 (as iTunes has been) to tablet/Metro.  It's not only about getting it to run, it's also about rethinking the entire user interface for tablets.  iTunes wasn't ported to iOS for that very reason.
  4. Tablet-only Windows 8 isn't a very large market.

 

In general, Apple has plenty of bigger fish to fry.

 
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How many people are using Windows in touch fashion anyways? it's not worth the hassle IMO.
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Misleading headline. There is a iTunes for Windows 8 non-touch desktop version.

Yep. Sorry that its not RT but there is a version which fine on those desktops it was meant for.

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I don't see why Apple wouldn't want to do this eventually,

Selling point. Same as not having Office for iOS is a selling point for the Surface.

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Let's count the reasons:
  1. By most reports, Apple has moved almost all of it's engineering staff onto iOS 7, so not many people available.
  2. I'm sure the vast majority of engineers at Apple have little to no Windows experience, so it's not like they can just pull people from other projects to work on it.
  3. It's a huge undertaking to port an app written and designed for desktop/Win32 (as iTunes has been) to Metro.  It's not only about getting it to run, it's also about rethinking the entire user interface for tablets.  iTunes wasn't ported to iOS for that very reason.
  4. Tablet-only Windows 8 isn't a very large market.

In general, Apple has plenty of bigger fish to fry.

Obviously there is a windows team in Apple. However you're probably right iTunes is probably in MFC ( or some mid level apple code which compiles to MFC and OS X - Carbon?)

Not in .Net.

So as I said technical reasons.

( on 2 points you are incorrect. The iTunes team probably works on both iTunes on OS X and iOS - videos, music and iTunes already. Apple has functional teams not per OS teams. So that team can't be used on iOS where they already are). And apple has windows experience in iTunes.
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Something about MS's comment seems off. I can see an issue with having a Metro UI touch version that runs on x86, x86_64, and ARM but I'd think still think Apple would do it if they thought there was a big enough market for it. Isn't MS's app store similar to Apple's insofar that MS also would also want 30% for all purchases through the iTunes for Metro UI app? If that the fine print on the "welcome mat" no wonder Apple isn't interested.

30% of 0 is still 0. Apple does not charge for iTunes so MS would not take any cut.

 

Ignore my comment, re-read yours and can see the point you're making.

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Apple wants MS Office/quote]

They have it. It's called iWork

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Apple wants MS Office

They have it. It's called iWork

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Misleading headline. There is a iTunes for Windows 8 non-touch desktop version.

You're being as misleading as the headline. ITunes for Windows 8 non-touch is really iTunes for Windows 7.

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Microsoft wants iTunes and Apple wants MS Office...I'd say this gets worked out to everyone's advantage at some point.

Interesting standoff indeed. But this is not a simple quid pro quo. Office on the iPad will make Surface even less appealing.  ITunes for Metro is less likely to affect iPad sales.

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They have it. It's called iWork

Exactly.....How many of us would WANT to run Office on our OSX or iOS devices? I have no desire to do that.

iWork...Pages...Number.....works just fine for me....

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Why not give a glass of cold water to somebody in hell? :D :D  

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Microsoft wants iTunes for Windows 8; Apple not interested

 

My fears that Jony will wipe down OS X and iOS have been slightly assuaged.


Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
Misleading headline.

 

Nope.


Originally Posted by Jordon Eagan View Post
Microsoft wants iTunes and Apple wants MS Office...

 

No, Apple couldn't care less about Office.

 

I just wish Apple hadn't stopped Safari development for Windows. Eventually Safari 5 won't be good enough for modern websites, whenever "modern" is.

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iTunes is a revenue stream for Apple.  They're crazy not to put it there  I could easily see Amazon throwing something together to throw on Metro to sell music and movies if the opening is there.

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They have it. It's called iWork

Which gets even less respect and development than their pro apps.

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iTunes is a revenue stream for Apple.  They're crazy not to put it there  I could easily see Amazon throwing something together to throw on Metro to sell music and movies if the opening is there.

Most iPhone users are Windows users. iPod users too.

It seems to be a lack of expertise.
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Port Office to iOS, and port FaceTime to Windws. Cut a deal, MS: You'll both win!

 

I wish they could do something like this too...  imo Apple is the problem here.

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iTunes is a revenue stream for Apple.  They're crazy not to put it there  I could easily see Amazon throwing something together to throw on Metro to sell music and movies if the opening is there.

 

The problem here is Apple users could flee the ios ecosystem and still keep there movies and music. There is where I hate Apple, it just want to close everthing down just to retain users, its not acting for the users best interest at all.

 

imo facetime should be port to both windows and iOS for starters. Hopefully they could do a better job then itunes which is the mother of all bloated software on windows.

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Originally Posted by Conrail View Post
iTunes is a revenue stream for Apple.  They're crazy not to put it there…

 

It's already there. Done.

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Apple isn't going to spend the resources to help out a failing operating system and Microsoft knows that they can't move people away from the desktop without iTunes. Tee Hee.
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Regarding bringing Office to iOS... Apple does not really need Office on the iPad. Furthermore, Microsoft would probably do a crappy job porting it anyway. Non issue.

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Tablet-only Windows 8 isn't a very large market.

This.  What's the point of putting it on RT?  Now Metro- cool- I'm all for that.  But it being on RT is like having it on Android.

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I thin Apple know the RT surfaces are not long for this world so why bother.
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Or... you can just buy a Mac. It seems like no one wants Windows 8 and even Microsoft is needing to back pedal and stick that Start button back on there. When people want to upgrade to a new computer, they can get an iPad (which has iTunes), or a Mac. While iTunes is another revenue stream, it's not nearly as big (or long lasting) as getting people in the ecosystem with hardware.  Also, with the talk about iRadio, there's no reason Apple wouldn't put this all on the web instead and make it all cloud based.

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cnet has a similar article about how iTunes, iCloud and iBooks should be ported to Android. Good grief. Do people not get Apple's business model? iTunes was ported to Windows for one reason: to sell more iPods, which brought people in to the Apple ecosystem and had the potential of increasing Mac sales. How does making mobile versions of iTunes for other platforms sell more iPhones, iPads and iPods?
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iTunes is a revenue stream for Apple.  They're crazy not to put it there  I could easily see Amazon throwing something together to throw on Metro to sell music and movies if the opening is there.
Does Apple actually make money off iTunes? How do you make money distributing someone else's content?
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Most iPhone users are Windows users. iPod users too.

It seems to be a lack of expertise.
But these days you don't really have to use iTunes for much. I think I've used iTunes on my PC once in the last year. Software updates don't require it and I use Spotify so have no need to buy music off iTunes,
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They have it. It's called iWork

 

I would argue that based on the way they treat iWork at Apple and the customers that have moved to it, it's easy to believe that the entire iWork project is just a placeholder until MS caves and gives them Office.  They devote almost no resources to iWork at all.  

 

If they really wanted to make a better Word processor that Word for example, why would they make a product like Pages which was something like 80% as good as Word at launch, and then almost five years later still be hawking at the same flawed, incomplete product that is really no better, and no different from the day it launched.  Also, in terms of word processing on iOS, if Pages is their "Word killer" or Word replacement at least, why isn't it even feature complete versus the desktop Pages even after multiple versions?  The only explanation there that doesn't make Apple look bad, is you have to assume that the more advanced features are perhaps impossible due to processing limitations on iOS, which could be a good reason why Office is taking so long as well, but I kind of doubt that.  

 

If Apple actually does like iWork and does treat it like a real program and not a placeholder, why has there been almost no development of any of the programs for five years?  They rarely advertise iWork or promote it in any way either and when they do it's presented as a way "kids" can do their school homework easily or "Mom" (sic) can make recipe cards, or "Dad" can put up posters about the lost cat.  It's never advertised as what it's only a hair away from being, which is a good word processor that can replace Word in most cases.  

 

Typical of Apple's software teams, it's a product that they put together in a weekend and have only done minor bug-fixing ever since.  Until they move forward with it, it's just a placeholder IMO.  

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