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Reaching for any way to regain share lost to Apple and other competitors, Nokia on Friday revealed a new version of its flagship Lumia handset, redesigned and exclusive to Verizon, capping off a week in which it also looked to tackle the low end of the smartphone market with $99 phones.



Friday marked the introduction of Nokia's long-rumored Lumia 928, a Verizon-exclusive variant of the manufacturer's Windows Phone 8-powered Lumia 920, available on AT&T. The 928 sports a slimmer build than the 920 ? addressing one major complaint the tech press had about the device ? and has a more squarish design. Underneath its 4.5-inch 1280x768 display, the device packs a 1.5GHz dual-core Snapdragon S4 processor, 2,000mAh battery, and 32GB of storage.

The Lumia 928 will go on sale from Verizon on May 16. It will be priced at $100.

As with the other Lumia handsets, Nokia has been touting the photographic capabilities of the 928, especially the xenon flash unique to the 928. Nokia's teaser ads for the device, released over the past week or so, have touted its photo and video recording prowess, showing the 928 outperforming both Apple's iPhone 5 and Samsung's Galaxy S4.

Nokia has for some time been touting the image quality produced by its PureView technology as a main selling point for its smartphones, but it still lags far behind Apple and Samsung in terms of sales, having sold 5.6 million Lumia handsets in the most recent quarter.

Even as it rolls out its Verizon exclusive, Nokia is making ready for another announcement next week. On May 14, the company will unveil what it called a continuation of the "Nokia Lumia story." Nokia could be introducing the Lumia EOS, a rumored aluminum-constructed flagship device that does even more to leverage its PureView technology with a rumored 41MP camera.



At the same time that the erstwhile mobile phone leader is looking to regain share in the premium smartphone segment, Nokia has also turned its eye toward the very low-end segment. The phone maker introduced this week a new line of devices with capabilities somewhere between those of a featurephone and a smartphone.

Nokia's new Asha 501 is a touchscreen devices running what Nokia calls the "Asha software platform." The handset runs Java-based apps, and the OS features a swipe-based navigation system. The new Asha is priced according to its specifications as well, with a suggested cost of $99 or 75 euros.

Nokia is initially targeting developing markets with the new Asha, with the handset set to debut in India before launching worldwide ? with the exception of North America ? before the end of this quarter.

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop, in an interview with My Nokia Blog, admitted that the Asha line does not run a "high-end [operating system]." The company's goal was to bring as "high-end" an experience as possible to more people, but to keep the cost of the unit down at the same time.

Nokia chose to go with a different smartphone OS instead of Windows Phone 8, Elop said, because the low-end hardware necessary to keep the price low would result in a poor Windows Phone 8 experience.

"Lumia is Nokia's future," Elop said. "If it were to bring that experience to low-end devices, like you see on low-end Android, the experience is terrible, and it ruins the integrity of a brand ? which is the last thing Nokia want."

Low cost phones like the Asha 501 may help Nokia compete more effectively in developing markets, where billions of people are expected to adopt smartphones as their first computing devices in the coming years. Those looming billions are likely to represent much of the growth in smartphones, as many observers believe the premium end, concentrated heavily in developed nations, has largely matured.
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How amazing. Another low-end phone to enter the market which is going to be sold to people who do not even use toilet paper. This phone is probably better than low-end Android phones though.

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How amazing. Another low-end phone to enter the market which is going to be sold to people who do not even use toilet paper. This phone is probably better than low-end Android phones though.

And I think you're using toilet paper on the wrong end.
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How amazing. Another low-end phone to enter the market which is going to be sold to people who do not even use toilet paper. This phone is probably better than low-end Android phones though.

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Nokia chose to go with a different smartphone OS instead of Windows Phone 8, Elop said, because the low-end hardware necessary to keep the price low would result in a poor Windows Phone 8 experience.

I know a lot of folks will want to bash them for 'copying Apple' and 'jumping to best rumors' but I give them points for not trying to shoehorn software that they feel gives a poor experience into lesser software. That is a part of Apple I wish more companies would copy.

That said, if Apple were to make a scaled down and less expensive iPhone I suspect it would run iOS just with some features removed. Like no Siri, no maps, no App Store etc. just perhaps calls, messages, email, camera, address book, calendar and notes. Wifi would be there basically for backups. Why would they do it like this? To make the move to a full iOS iPhone easier for folks to make so they might actually do it cause they don't have to earn things all over again. It might also be a great companion device for those that are doing their apps etc on an iPad and don't need their phone to be that smart.

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I like staring at the squares that just flip over. I'm still trying to figure out why they do that. Some futuristic form of notifications?

That's why I hate Windows 8, it FORCES you to STARE at its screen while things flip around for no reason.
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What the hell is wrong with you?! 1oyvey.gif1rolleyes.gif1mad.gif1frown.gifirked.gif

 

I might ask the same of you.

 

If you dispute anything that I wrote, then feel free to point it out.

 

And lastly, excuse me for not getting overly excited by any low end phones, and for believing that Apple should stay away from making low end devices, even though certain analysts and other people want Apple to.

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Reaching for any way to regain share lost to Apple and other competitors, Nokia on Friday revealed a new version of its flagship Lumia handset, redesigned and exclusive to Verizon, capping off a week in which it also looked to tackle the low end of the smartphone market with $99 phones.

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The Lumia 928 will go on sale from Verizon on May 16. It will be priced at $100.

 

Does not compute....Does not compute....

 

So, let me get this straight, $99 is the cost of the low end phones and $100 is the cost oh the high end/flagship phones.

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Does not compute....Does not compute....

 

So, let me get this straight, $99 is the cost of the low end phones and $100 is the cost oh the high end/flagship phones.

 

One is no contract and the other is contract perhaps. That would explain it.

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How amazing. Another low-end phone to enter the market which is going to be sold to people who do not even use toilet paper. This phone is probably better than low-end Android phones though.

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What the hell is wrong with you?! 1oyvey.gif1rolleyes.gif1mad.gif1frown.gifirked.gif

 

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I might ask the same of you.

 

If you dispute anything that I wrote, then feel free to point it out.

 

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What isn't wrong about your statement?

 

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And I think you're using toilet paper on the wrong end.

 

After it was used....

 

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What isn't wrong about your statement?

 

Then it shouldn't be that hard for you to point out what was wrong about it.

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Then it shouldn't be that hard for you to point out what was wrong about it.

 

Everything is wrong with your first sentence. Let's hope Jeff gets on and wipes the thread.

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Then it shouldn't be that hard for you to point out what was wrong about it.

Data price is the same no matter what device you use.

 

The cheap $99 will be more expensive than the iphone 5 at tmobile for mothers day. iphone 4 is free from the major USA carriers.

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Symbian is still alive in handsets using S40 or S60 based software..

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How amazing. Another low-end phone to enter the market which is going to be sold to people who do not even use toilet paper. This phone is probably better than low-end Android phones though.

 

So like techno fans who listen to David Guetta and use too many designer drugs?

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Everything is wrong with your first sentence. Let's hope Jeff gets on and wipes the thread.

 

Yes, by all means, let's erase the truth and facts from the thread. Was it the toilet paper comment that offends, even if it's true? That was not meant as a joke, I was being serious.

 

Well, go right ahead and erase it then. I'll be more careful of interjecting any facts into the conversation in the future.

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Symbian is still alive in handsets using S40 or S60 based software..

 

And more than people think.  Look at all the blue (Symbian) on this current chart of smartphone owners:

 

 

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Was it the toilet paper comment that offends, even if it's true? That was not meant as a joke, I was being serious.

 

It's offensive, it's a lie, and it's offensive because it's a lie.

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Symbian is still alive in handsets using S40 or S60 based software..

 

S40 runs on top of Nokia OS, not Symbian. 

 

Nokia are still selling S60 models but there won't be any new models released.

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And more than people think.  Look at all the blue (Symbian) on this current chart of smartphone owners:

 

 

 

Just think in 2007 Symbian was where Android is now.

 

Fat lot of good it did Nokia.

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Just think in 2007 Symbian was where Android is now.

 

And RIM and WinMo were where iOS is now.

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Data price is the same no matter what device you use.

 

The cheap $99 will be more expensive than the iphone 5 at tmobile for mothers day. iphone 4 is free from the major USA carriers.

 

Your saying iPhone 4s are given away contact free for free? Isn't that like giving away free money.

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If you had a Toto S300 in your house, you probably wouldn't use toilet paper either. You might also be in the market for low-cost phones - it just depends where you want to put your money.
 

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It's offensive, it's a lie, and it's offensive because it's a lie.

 

The market where this phone is first to go on sale is India.

 

Are you claiming that toilet paper usage is widespread in India? I have checked numerous sources on the web, and toilet paper is not common at all, it's rare. 

 

I am all about facts and the truth, so if you have any source which proves that wrong, then you should present it, instead of accusing people of lying.

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Are you claiming that toilet paper usage is widespread in India? I have checked numerous sources on the web, and toilet paper is not common at all, it's rare.

 

It was in use when my father lived there, 40 years ago. No, I suppose it's 50 now… How time flies. 

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It's offensive, it's a lie, and it's offensive because it's a lie.

 

Actually to a lot of the 7 Billion people on this planet, toilet paper is an unnecessary luxury.

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The market where this phone is first to go on sale is India.

Are you claiming that toilet paper usage is widespread in India? I have checked numerous sources on the web, and toilet paper is not common at all, it's rare. 

I am all about facts and the truth, so if you have any source which proves that wrong, then you should present it, instead of accusing people of lying.

And its usage wasn't widespread for eons.
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Does not compute....Does not compute....

So, let me get this straight, $99 is the cost of the low end phones and $100 is the cost oh the high end/flagship phones.

One is subsudised and the other isn't
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That's what you get when you dump a clean, portable rewrite of Windows called Windows CE that was designed for low powered, low memory devices and replace it with a port of x86 Windows.

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``Underneath its 4.5-inch 1280x768 display'' == cheap display.
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I am sure its a fine phone, just cannot appreciate the design aesthetic, seems clunky / chunky too me. 

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``Underneath its 4.5-inch 1280x768 display'' == cheap display.

Please explain
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...sold to people who do not even use toilet paper...

Laugh out loud at what I presume is meant to be derogatory. If you got doo doo on your arm or any other part of your body than what you use toilet paper for, would you get a piece of paper and wipe it off or wash it off? Well some people, even people who are very wealthy  choose to wash poop off. Go figger.

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It's offensive, it's a lie, and it's offensive because it's a lie.

Is mental derangement a reason for banning? Or would that be considered unforgiving to the mentally challenged? Just wondering ... 1biggrin.gif
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On to the actual thread topic......

 

Nokia has been executing really well in my opinion. They have a range of phones at different price points and a clear style that is all their own. Those S40 based phones aka Asha are great little devices and well engineered to deliver the best bang for the buck in emerging markets. Whenever I've read about these phones they come bundled with whatsapp, and Nokia has an arrangement with EA where they get 40 games for each phone. They also have a browser that compresses data like Opera Mini for the 2g networks where most of these phones are sold.

 

For a household that only has $100 to spend on a phone, it is a tremendous value. Every review I've read about the Lumia 520 and 620 indicate they are great phones at their price point.

 

The 928 represents the first time really that Nokia and Verizon have decided to work together on a compelling offering. While I loath Verizon, they could probably help Nokia move some big numbers just like they did with Motorola back in the day. That doesn't mean the company is going to topple Apple, that Apple is going to die or that Nokia is going to own the market even. It does mean that Elop gave us his plan and the company really seems to be executing well on it. To me, it gives Nokia a better chance than most other cell companies that aren't making a dime and it probably shows given what has happened to HTC and others that Nokia was wise to avoid Android.

 

I bought some Nokia stock this week and it's gained 4% on a nice little pop. Nokia appears to be executing well.

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It was in use when my father lived there, 40 years ago. No, I suppose it's 50 now… How time flies. 

That was when England owned it. Same with Africa.

Since they insisted on their independence they have both gone down hill and luxuries have gone.

 

I'm with Apple II on this one.

 

About four billion people don't use toilet paper. About 70% - 75 % of the world’s population does not use toilet paper.

http://www.toiletpaperhistory.net/toilet-paper-facts/toilet-paper-fun-facts/

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For all parties around the great toilet paper debate, this is exactly why I can't you iApple users or any of their products serious. And btw with my flame on suit, why do you think alum. is better than a poly. I crushed an alum. beer can yesterday. Can't say the same about my Gatorade bottle.

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^ Stupid banter. No more, no less.

Why would you purposely write something stupid instead of trying to write something that makes sense and carries a conversation?

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Why would you purposely write something stupid instead of trying to write something that makes sense and carries a conversation?

What's the problem? He fits in just fine with many of the posters here. God knows I've had my fair share of nonsensical posts.
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What's the problem? He fits in just fine with many of the posters here. God knows I've had my fair share of nonsensical posts.

I don't recall you ever writing anything specifically not to be a complete sentence or make sense to the reader. You seem too sane for that.

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