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As part of an interview with Charlie Rose that aired on CBS's "60 Minutes" on Sunday, a visibly shaken and humble Bill Gates detailed his final visit with Steve Jobs, in which the two discussed everything from family life to empowering the future of eduction through technology.



Gates' appearance on the television program was prompted by his charity work for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. But unaired footage from the interviews later posted online by CBS offers a rare glimpse into the final encounter between two fierce competitors, whose passion for technology and indifference for the status quo forever altered the landscape in which we operate.

Asked about that final meeting in Jobs' Palo Alto home in May of 2011, a teary-eyed Gates said the two discussed a wide variety of topics, from ?what we?d learned, families? anything.? The two practically "grew up together," Gates said, and despite their fierce competitive nature, shared respect for each others contributions.

"We were within a year of the same age, and we were kind of naively optimistic and built big companies," Gates said. "And every fantasy we had about creating products and learning new things-- we achieved all of it. And most of it as rivals. But we always retained a certain respect and communication, including even when he was sick."

Though Jobs' days were clearly numbered at the time of the meeting, Gates said the Apple co-founder was "not being melancholy, like ?Oh, I?ve been gypped.?? Instead, he talked of the future, and how the two of them, despite their vast accomplishments, had failed to materially improve education through technology.

"He showed me the boat he was working on," said Gates, "and talked about how he's looking forward to being on it, even though we both knew there was a good chance that wouldn't happen."When asked what traits Jobs had that he admired, Gates said: : "His sense of design, that everything had to fit a certain aesthetic. The fact that he, with as little engineering background as he had, it shows that design can lead you in a good direction. And so phenomenal products came out of it."

Jobs also "knew about brand" and had an "intuitive sense for marketing, which was amazing," Gates said, while also crediting Jobs and Co. with "putting the pieces" together on tablets that Microsoft simply could not.

During the final meeting between the pair, Jobs marveled over blueprints for his custom, 260-foot aluminum yacht, Venus, which was under development at the time.

"He showed me the boat he was working on," said Gates, "and talked about how he's looking forward to being on it, even though we both knew there was a good chance that wouldn't happen."
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Oh wow!  Kind of tears.

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What an amazing relationship!

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I admire both of them for their respective humanity, and each for their respective genius and contributions to society.

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I wonder if this, has anything to do with this......  NNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

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Ah, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. Classic frenemies.

It%u2019s a complex relationship the Steve had a hard time to articulate in public. It reminds me of this video compilation of Steve Jobs best quotes about Microsoft. It's rock and roll! : http://everystevejobsvideo.com/steve-jobs-bill-gates-and-microsoft-its-complicated/

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Let's make a story out of nothing. It turns out Bill Gates is human; somewhat.

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Oh wow!  Kind of tears.

LOL

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What an amazing relationship!

 

Hahaha!

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What is "eduction"? Please spell-check your articles!

On a lighter note, I think I found Waldo.
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LOL

I just felt that way, brother! 

Am I being too sensitive. ;)

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It seems so often that these kind of words of praise for someone you worked with or is a contemporary doesn't come until one of them passes. Such a shame they couldn't have shared more before Steve's passing. I am glad they got to talk before Steve passed though. Similar memories of two other geniuses who were at odds till right before one died (Lennon and McCartney) -- makes you wonder if possible collaborations would have reach the heights that people would have expected.

 

Nice to see a guy mellow and when he has his philanthropic hat on he can apparently do some good -- and it does matter now if he continues to copy other work (in this area) since in a lot of cases thats all that needs to be done to preserve a bunch of young lives. I hope he can do something good with his bucks (technology in education). I would think that one of the things that he could do is make universal Intenet access a reality for educators and students alike universal.

 

IMHO getting everyone connected and sharing just available resources would be an incredible goal to achieve. The trick is keeping the politics out of it and even the brands. I don't know how you get passed that but someone with Gate's kind of $$ should be able to work something out. Once that infrastructure is in place and people are allowed to use it it could truly be a big first step in moving to peace.

 

I did enjoy the excerpt. Quite nice.

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Really wish Gates hadn't killed Steve.  It was so mean of him!!

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Kind of interesting, the part when Gates admits Microsoft was working on tablets for years but it was Apple who put the right pieces together and created a new paradigm. Juxtapose that against his recent comments about iPad users being "frustrated" and "needing" Windows tablets to do anything useful. To me it looks like cognitive  dissonance on a grand scale. 

 

I sometimes wonder about the possibilities if Jobs and Gates had collaborated. The design, aesthetic, and marketing genius fueled by the business and management genius. But then again the two approaches were so alien to each other it could never have worked, I suppose.

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Both brilliant in their own way and both terribly flawed in their own way. But both are types who only come along once in a generation, if that.

But I also think that CBS News is making too much of a big deal of Gates' "emotional moment", which was so brief that you had to stop the frame to see it.
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Really wish Gates hadn't killed Steve.  It was so mean of him!!

 

Congratulations on your very good taste and emotional maturity.

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Let's make a story out of nothing. It turns out Bill Gates is human; somewhat.

The emotion chip was working that day.

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The small minds here can say what they will, but Bill Gates 2 is simply one of the most visionary, passionate, thoughtful, articulate -- across any field or discipline -- leaders of our time. He is deeply well-read and knowledgable about global health and energy issues.

 

He will probably move the needle on those two mega-issues of our time more than anyone else -- including governments and multilateral organizations  -- will.

 

More power to him.

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Kind of interesting, the part when Gates admits Microsoft was working on tablets for years but it was Apple who put the right pieces together and created a new paradigm. Juxtapose that against his recent comments about iPad users being "frustrated" and "needing" Windows tablets to do anything useful. To me it looks like cognitive  dissonance on a grand scale. 
Not really, many people on these forums don't recognize what marketing is. The reality that part of running a company is selling what you have when you have it. It is no different than Jobs selling the iPad and the comments about sharpening ones fingers to use smaller devices. You sell what you have at the moment even if another device is in R&D that is physically smaller, like the competition you are dissing. It is so fundamental to running a business that it is surprising that people don't get it. Especially considering that in the case of the iPad Apple already had much smaller Touch based devices in the market.
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I sometimes wonder about the possibilities if Jobs and Gates had collaborated. The design, aesthetic, and marketing genius fueled by the business and management genius. But then again the two approaches were so alien to each other it could never have worked, I suppose.

You sound like they where involved in some sort of mortal combat! I hardly think that is the case and this clips rather enforce it. Apple and MicroSoft for the longest time where focused on two entirely different industries. In a nutshell MS was about business computing and Apple wasn't. In the end each business had to be driven in the direction to best serve their customers as they imagined their customers. It is only in the last couple of years that they have really had any commonality in their customer base.
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I admire Apple and I admired Steve Jobs, but I have the same respect for Bill Gates than I have for Apple and had for Steve Jobs.

But it is funny to hear Bill Gates practically saying that he wants iPads and MacBooks in every school. Don't believe it? Listen for yourself at 8.10 minutes at:

 

http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_teachers_need_real_feedback.html

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What I find most perplexing is that both Jobs and Gates have this idea that technology can solve problems with education. Maybe some day when scientist can engineer the Brian and directly download intelligence but I'm going to put this out there, technology in the form of computers can not fix the problem of the development of a biological organism. It isn't like each human comes with a 6502 that you can download new code into to get expected behavior. The fact is many many people are literally born stupid or have biological development that sets them at odds with the best interest of society.

Now given that technology can help make life easier for a student. The best example here is the fact that a device like iPad makes carrying "books" around that much easier. However books aren't much of an improvement to education as they have been around +2000 years.

It is a noble concern these two men have but it is also an error in thinking. If they really wanted to better education the technology should have been going to research into ways to enhance the educational process, and to enhance our understanding of the learning process. Maybe a pill to overcome stupidity and gullibility too. Because honestly up until now technology has done little to actually enhance our ability to increase the general intelligence of the human population. It has made the load lighter for kids going to school, which isn't really a positive goal anyway. It has also made access to knowledge far easier.

Similarly this idea that access will make people smarter is also a mistake. Access at times seems to result in more extremist views than anything, especially if it it is coupled with personalities that believe if it is in the web it must be true. Access is useless if you don't know what to do with the information. Which comes back to what impact does technology have on getting people to think intelligently and to evaluate information critically. Sadly what we are seeing today is technology often being used to manipulate people into believing things that aren't true or have yet to be proven soundly.
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I would love to sit down to dinner with Jobs, Gates, Warren Buffett, and Dean Kamen.

Maybe before dinner or after dinner but when I sit down to a table is generally hungry and the last thing I want to hear is a bunch of yapping about whatever. This makes about as much sense as the business trend of the last few years called lunch and learn. I'm sorry but if I've been working for 4-6 hours straight and the blood sugar is getting real low the last thing I will want to do is to try to concentrate on a conversation. Generally I'm trying to avoid passing out not enhance my mental well being.
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On that, too, what Steve said in '95.

 

 

Sorry, I have no idea where it starts… After the first ten minutes, I'm sure…

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Design and marketing? What an incredibly insulting and ignorant way to characterise Jobs's contribution.

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Design and marketing? What an incredibly insulting and ignorant way to characterise Jobs's contribution.

 

It's Bill Gates. What did you expect? Funny that he's trying to atone for his past sins and yet still pulls this crap.

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Always gad a soft spot for Bill. Ballmer, not so much.
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On that, too, what Steve said in '95.Sorry, I have no idea where it starts… After the first ten minutes, I'm sure…

Thanks for that interview, really insightful. I was surprised to know quite a few of his stories from previous articles, but still, worth watching - no doubt.
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Let's make a story out of nothing. It turns out Bill Gates is human; somewhat.


Lets put  down a man that shows he had respect for his competitor and showed emotion that there was a connection. Just because you read in newspaper about Bill Gates and assume your opinions, just give the guy respect for what he has achieved and going to achieve in future.

 

Its sad when this forum is so twisted in our belief of Apple, we can not admire the other achievers.

 

Yes I am MASSIVE Apple supporter,  but I respect Bill Gates for his achievements, even though I dislike his products.

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It's Bill Gates. What did you expect? Funny that he's trying to atone for his past sins and yet still pulls this crap.


Again forum so twisted you look at that as negative remark. I actually think Bill Gates was right, his best quality was DESIGN and knew how to market a product to perfection. Please list any stronger traits then that, because Bill was talking about his strongest traits.

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Lets put  down a man that shows he had respect for his competitor and showed emotion that there was a connection. Just because you read in newspaper about Bill Gates and assume your opinions, just give the guy respect for what he has achieved and going to achieve in future.

 

 

I agree. I'll take what Bill said at face value and I think there was always respect for Steve on Bill's part. Of course I keep reading about Bill banning Apple products in his home, but I still think he respected Steve and this came out here.

 

No need to put him down for that.

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I agree. I'll take what Bill said at face value and I think there was always respect for Steve on Bill's part. Of course I keep reading about Bill banning Apple products in his home, but I still think he respected Steve and this came out here.

 

No need to put him down for that.

Thanks for agreement, but do you think Steve had any windows software in his house or was seen to promote windows software unless there was a Mac version. Bill Gates is still Chairman of Microsoft and would not look good for their image, If he has Apple products. Remember his kids still go to school and if the kids were photographed with iPod, that would be a lamb to media slaughter. I do not grudge him for banning Apple products.

 

Do you think AMD have any intel chipped computers in their building?

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Again forum so twisted you look at that as negative remark. I actually think Bill Gates was right, his best quality was DESIGN and knew how to market a product to perfection. Please list any stronger traits then that, because Bill was talking about his strongest traits.

 

I love how all you people ignore that he was CEO of a company that went from bankruptcy to being the wealthiest publicly traded company in the world.

 

It's as though that's easy to miss or something.

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I love how all you people ignore that he was CEO of a company that went from bankruptcy to being the wealthiest publicly traded company in the world.

 

It's as though that's easy to miss or something.


We did not forget, but I did say agree his  strongest skills were marketing and design, not their were his only skills. Again you are so twisted against Bill Gates, you hear one thing and make it sound negative.

Again supporter of Apple, but not a fanatic that is blind to read the positive in a statement by a competitor.

 

P.S. Bill Gates has praised Steve numerous times on his ability to turn around Apple, but you would not remember these interviews/comments of course.

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Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post
…I did say agree his strongest skills were marketing and design, not their were his only skills. 

 

Okay, I still disagree.


Again you are so twisted against Bill Gates, you hear one thing and make it sound negative.

 

Not really.


P.S. Bill Gates has praised Steve numerous times on his ability to turn around Apple, but you would not remember these interviews/comments of course.

 

First because they're not relevant here and second because that's not what he's saying here.

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Okay, I still disagree.

 

Not really.

 

First because they're not relevant here and second because that's not what he's saying here.

Please that is definition, it does not mean, he meant that, that's your opinion and only Bill Gates can confirm that he was being insulting or honest praise.

Again your opinion, it is not relevant, but it is very relevant, since you accused Bill Gates of insulting Steve because he defined Steve's greatest qualities as a  visionary person (design) and marketing and fogot to mention Steve's  ability to turn around a company. I stated that Bill has commented on Steve's fantastic job numerous times previously and that is not relevant. (Oh Tallest Skil, you must be right NOT!). You see it as negative and it must be what Bill was implying, oh yeah..lol

Steve learned from his first stint with Apple that you need to focus on the business and not just marketing and design, he always had a nature ability for design and marketing. Anyway negativity is common trait of you with Bill Gates.

 

Lastly youwould know what he was meaning, since you know Bill Gates, all mater of an opinion, but in your case, you are always right1rolleyes.gif

 

P.S. Funny Steve saw Bill as person, he wanted to talk to (talked on numerous occasions), since their both from the same era and are successful persons in their own right and as much as he hated Microsoft, he had admiration for Bill and vice versa.


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