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Let us not forget WW I and WW II which should make America even, if not ahead, as far as to who should be considered indebted to who.

I usually don't pull out the "next time you can liberate Normandy on your own" card unless the French are being blatantly anti-American. However, there is nothing anti-American about a tax to support the arts.

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post #122 of 145

Ha! Look at the comment count on each of the stories published on AI today.

 

Like I said;  Naw, this headline wasn't just hit bait. of course not. 1rolleyes.gif

post #123 of 145
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It is no wonder when there is a war on the French re always yelling retreat! Sooner or later France needs to realize if their culture can't stand on its own then they really don't have a culture worth a damn.

In the end you really can't find a good example of publiclly fianaced art. Such programs aren't culture but rather are welfare programs that generally go to support the unproductive and the useless.

Hey France did win one war:  the French revolution, in which they soundly thrashed themselves.

post #124 of 145
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Hey France did win one war:  the French revolution, in which they soundly thrashed themselves.

LOL

A friend of mine said this a long time ago. "Parkuor. Leave it to the French to perfect the art of running away."

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post #125 of 145
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

The US is a Democratic Republic. Big difference.

And France isn't a democratic republic? You're converting somewhat differing shades of gray into black and white.
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post #126 of 145
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

LOL

A friend of mine said this a long time ago. "Parkuor. Leave it to the French to perfect the art of running away."

Now that's funny. lol.gif
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post #127 of 145
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And France isn't a democratic republic? You're converting somewhat differing shades of gray into black and white.

Yep, they are very much a republic. Multiple active (and legal) political parties and democratically elected representatives. It just so happens one party has been kicken ass in elections for a good while.
post #128 of 145

Also queue up the litany of meally-mouthed politically correct race-baiters.

post #129 of 145
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

Yet another example of a country with too much government.

 

And coming to a U.S. near you! 

post #130 of 145
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

 

That is complete nonsense. A lot of the best movies in history had (partial) government funding (I am not talking about Hollywood trash), a lot of the best theatres, orchestras and opera houses throughout Europe could not exist without subsidies, pretty much all art schools and universities outside the US are tax funded...

 

Typical US tunnel vision.

 

And if the people want that, perfect. Personally I believe that if they can't get privet funding, that means the people don't want it. I don't think a government should force people to pay for other people's projects no matter that greatness of the outcome. Again, unless that is what the people want, which is a sad statement in itself. "I don't have the discipline to donate to the Arts, so I want the government to tax me instead" 

 

But we do this also in the U.S. with PBS, museums and other junk! 

post #131 of 145
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

(…) Theoretically in socialism there is no taxation. 

Hmmm… not quite. Think more of it like "Theoretically, in socialism there is 100% tax".

In France, we're only half way. 1wink.gif But this government looks particularly eager to raise this percentage again, even though the past 30 years of socialism have already rise it a lot!

post #132 of 145
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

 

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but this explanation may be lost on somebody who can't see the difference between socialism and social democracy. France is, by all means, one of the most capitalist countries in the world. People joining unions and organizing demonstrations is a reaction, not a cause. They do not have the best health care in the world and the best public schools, because somebody wanted to give it to them, but because they fought for it.

It looks like you left France about 30 years ago: France health care system is collapsing as is the retirement pension system, and its public schools are not the best in the world anymore, far from it, alas. It still has a few very good schools though, even though the latest governments have been trying hard to remove their specificities and make them more "normal" schools.

Alas, today France is a country living in its past glory and unable to cope with the reality.

post #133 of 145
It's been always the same: Leftist government=taxes. From my experience, I've never seen a leftist govmt which doesn't increase taxes. It's on their ideology. You may like it or not, but please don't be surprised, it's always the same.
post #134 of 145
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Originally Posted by mscientist View Post

Ah. Those wacky French Socialists! They must be taking lessons from New York and California.
NY and California have the largest economies of all of the other states and they have the highest paying jobs... And are donor states giving out money to the less fortunate conservative states in the South. I'd say copying NY is a recipe for success.
post #135 of 145
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(…) Theoretically in socialism there is no taxation. 

Hmmm… not quite. Think more of it like "Theoretically, in socialism there is 100% tax".

In France, we're only half way. 1wink.gif But this government looks particularly eager to raise this percentage again, even though the past 30 years of socialism have already rise it a lot!

If you want to characterize France as socialist you are going to have to change the definition of socialism. Please read up on the subject. And even if France is socialist why is that a bad thing? The voters have voiced their opinion in the most recent election and it was not in favor of the conservative party. What would you recommend? A revolution?


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post #136 of 145
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Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers View Post

france has cultural products?

France is actually increasing the cost of developing it's culture,

  by increasing the cost of devices which "modern up to date"  French people would use to advance French culture.

In effect France is restricting the advancement of their culture.  1bugeye.gif

post #137 of 145
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Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers View Post

france has cultural products?

 

It depends on the number of explosions you need to call it a cultural product.

post #138 of 145
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

....pretty much all art schools and universities outside the US are tax funded...

 

Actually, this is also true for most art schools in the USA - the best colleges are public, i.e., "socialist" in someone's view. But judging from the status of education in the USA, I don't think this is of any relevance for the commenters you are replaying to...

 

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post #139 of 145
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Even if we do get more taxes, it will still be no more than a third of what the French pay.

 

Are you including the cost of health care, local tax, tax on the house, and retirement savings? Last time I did a comparison, the total percentage of tax in California was not much lower than in my country (Italy), that should be not far from France's level of taxation.

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Originally Posted by Yazolight View Post

I will go back eat my so stupid baguette now ;)

 

I heard that a socialist law forces bakers to make it fresh each day. What a waste of energy for oddities like health and taste!

post #141 of 145
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Originally Posted by msimpson View Post

Funny, a co-worker returned today from a trip to France.  Her comments were "everything they sell were things we can already buy in the US or online, except they jacked the prices up".

 

Was she going for a vacation, or to visit a different mall?

post #142 of 145
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Originally Posted by ptram View Post

 

I heard that a socialist law forces bakers to make it fresh each day. What a waste of energy for oddities like health and taste!

 

Yeah! Caring about product quality when it comes to phones, that's perfectly normal. But for... food??? What a joke. Come on, the cheapest= the best :)))

post #143 of 145

If they would give it to those that create equally, maybe not such a bad idea. The problem is they give it to an entity that gives it out to n'importe qui qui sont leurs amis!

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Originally Posted by studiomusic View Post

If they would give it to those that create equally, maybe not such a bad idea. The problem is they give it to an entity that gives it out to n'importe qui qui sont leurs amis!

 

Excellent, j'approuve.

post #145 of 145

I don't know that its "un-american", but it it certainly doesn't pass muster as being constitutional. When did the government get in the business of taking money from its people to support the arts, and what gives them that authority? I'm pretty sure the enumerated powers do not include finger-painting enforcement.

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